that russian guy mikalanovicau at 1:53:20 is funny as - "no no no i dont steal settler guys, he uh he uh get settler away" > "you stole my settler and walked it 20 turns away??! - "no no you don't lose your settler" > "you stole my settler and walked it 20 turns away after accepting delegation..." - "i not irrell, u irrel." > "yes you stole my settler?" - "you can play without settler." - "why you go war?" > "You ruined my game dude?"
I've only just started watching your videos, not really having paid any attention to Civ 6 multiplayer but damn, this video is scratching the same itch that FilthyRobot's Civ 5 multiplayer videos used to.
Galleys are over twice as expensive as scouts. Of course, once we reach the foreign trade civic, we gain access to a policy card that grants +100% production towards ancient era naval units - unfortunately, that comes much too late for a galley to replace a scout in the opening build order. Secondly, barbarian galleys don't spawn in the ancient era with the settings used in CPL games, so we don't have to concern ourselves with them early on.
36:05 Is that a change in BBG? In the base game, I'm like 95% certain that the card still doubles your first envoy even with the fake envoys that Amani gives.
hey herson can you explain the start in a very short explanation instead of working the 2-2 tile but settling the mercury that caught my eye and confused me
It's one of those ridiculous hidden mechanics Firaxis loves to include in their games without telling you. I made a guide on it: ua-cam.com/video/lE7rlJJK9LM/v-deo.html
I am pretty sure Amani does not count for the double envoy card. Meaning you can send you first envoy and it will double even if you have Amani already stablished there. Not sure if this is a change in the balance mod.
What's the mod that shows every civs stat at the top of the screen, under every leader? Their military str., science, culture etc. Thanks in advance :)
@@VazerStat it's a preset in CPL FFA mod but maybe I answered the wrong question. The reason why people keep playing on Abundant is to guaranteed resources like horse, Iron, Gunpowder etc. Imagine you playing in default setting and you wanna rush someone early game or maybe mod game and there's no necessary resources so you cannot get specific unit to fight against opponent this also related to luxury resources as well
@@SalmoanZ so basically they are getting rid of the luck by that? Good thing to determine whether or not the person is good with all needed resources but at the same time no hard times like fighting for resources and shit like that, basically you can just stay in your territory make an army that will be able to defend your territories and then just rush culture, religious or science victory. there is no need in rushing making as many cities as you can to get more resources. It is a good setting for just looking at the skills when a person has everything but you can't see how he thinks in certain situations determining what he needs to do, quick thinking and other stuff.
@@VazerStatNot really. I mean, every player can vote on which settings they want, but mostly in CPL FFA, they go for Abundant, so everyone gets fair resources. There are a lot of factors that affect the outcome. How you make the best use of your resources, what to do next, the golden rules, leader skills, Golden Era, etc. it's easy to talk about but hard to execute. There are many minor details you need to learn and practice until you're good at it. Playing against bots is so much easier compared to playing against other players because bots are stupid, even on Deity level.
The bonus yields from alliances (+2 science from research alliance, for instance), from the Wisselbanken policy card (+2 food & +2 prod) and from Democracy (+4 food and +4 prod) are granted to both the sender and recipient of a trade route.
If the hut rolls an inspiration it was never going to be very impactful even if I delayed it. I'd rather just take it right away, hope it's something actually useful, and get my scout moving again so that I can find more huts and meet more players. It's basically never worth having your scout AFK next to a hut for multiple turns in an FFA, especially if you aren't sure you're going to hit your first golden age and you want to keep your scouts moving for era score.
is there some sort of unwritten rule against settler stealing in mp? If there is, I don’t really get it, it’s a part of the game and if you don’t want it to happen you should have a sufficient military
I think it’s about stealing when you accept a delegation. It’s seen as BM. You can steal a settler but the person sending a delegation is asking if they’re friendly.
As far as I can tell there’s no rule. Just a prisoners dilemma. Most people play in the same time slot every week, there’s only a few dozen people avialable then, therefore everyone gains a reputation good or bad quickly. If you steal a settler you’ll be known as the guy who will screw you over, and will damage your early game fun. Same as being a traitor who doesn’t renew an alliance, when you are limited to 2 alliances each. You don’t want a bad reputation it will make people reticent to trade with you, form alliances, grudge war you rather than conceding just to avenge themselves or a fellow players death. Now of course sometimes people do still steal a settler, it just comes with a human cost to you, in addition to the in game war cost, and your human cost can ripple through for a long time.
@@MrCalls1 It's more of a toxicity issue that you encounter in every popular multiplayer game. Have you ever encountered someone who griefed your game in CS, Dota, League, etc? Because someone did it to them previously? If you steal my settler early on and I feel like my game is ruined, im going to war you and we're both ending up with a bad game because you decided to greif my game by stealing my settler.
No, we just use a setting in the advanced game setup to change Barbarians from "standard" to "civilized", which reduces their spawn rates. I believe that doesn't require any mods
No, one of the requirements for district discounting is that you have to have placed fewer of the type of district you're trying to discount built than you have districts finished over districts unlocked. This can be written as: A: # of specialty districts unlocked B: The number of specialty districts completed C(T): The number of districts of type T that have been placed and the requirement to discount a district of type T is C(T) < B/A If we plug in the numbers we have after finishing our second harbor, the formula becomes 2 < 2/2. This is false, as 2 is not less than 1. Therefore, we can't discount a harbor. As a rule, it's completely impossible to ever discount a district if it's the type of district you've built the most of.
The section on Gaul in the Better Balanced Game full changelog: -Delayed culture on mines until bronze working is researched -Removed culture bombs on mines -Construction an oppidum no longer awards the apprenticeship technology -No longer gains any culture from producing military units -Bonus Combat strength on melee/anti-cav units based on adjacent units nerfed from +2 to +1 -Bonus Combat strength on ranged units entirely removed For comparison, the section on Tokugawa: -Bonus yields on internal trade routes from districts completed at the destination nerfed from +2 gold to +1
@@HersonCiv you say that but the 20% culture on unit making makes it better than any bonus your empire provides, it's Alexander but instead of science/supremacy easy win its culture/supremacy easy win
BBG removes fisheries from Liang, instead making them a tile improvement that can be built in any city upon reaching the cartography technology. Believe it or not, they're still hardly ever built. The only reason I build so many of them in this game is because the suzerain bonus of Auckland (+1 production on coastal tiles, +2 after industrialization) has been changed in BBG to only apply to improved water tiles rather than all water tiles.
Why on earth does nobody war against you >.> I really dont want to see my secondary main nerfed because other players are stupid and dont fight the isolation king >.> (Before anyone claims Im a meta slave, I mained Hojo Tokimune since day one civ 6 release, and my current main is Wu Zetian). Also, that aztec district sabotage at the end was glorious XD That being said, if they do nerf Tokugawa I’ll just swap to Hojo Tokimune
I will admit that I have never played MP Civ and I've only watched videos about it from Herson, but I believe it's the case of "what should be done", yet "what nobody has benefit in doing". Herson has said in one of his videos how taking wars early is a mistake, as you heavily lose out on tempo compared to other players who were just siming. Yet, as you've said, the only way to stop Tokugawa is to war early. So basically, each player has a choice: Sacrifice themselves in order to stop Tokguawa from getting first place, or fight for second place and let Tokugawa win. Considering people are aiming for their own rank, not for lobby's rank, most people choose latter option, and so Tokugawa ends up being meta. Similar situations happen in Teamfight Tactics, where there were teams that required one of the opponents to sacrifice their tempo/game, or let the other player win the lobby. People didn't really enjoy playing against those teams.
that russian guy mikalanovicau at 1:53:20 is funny as
- "no no no i dont steal settler guys, he uh he uh get settler away"
> "you stole my settler and walked it 20 turns away??!
- "no no you don't lose your settler"
> "you stole my settler and walked it 20 turns away after accepting delegation..."
- "i not irrell, u irrel."
> "yes you stole my settler?"
- "you can play without settler."
- "why you go war?"
> "You ruined my game dude?"
why its a russian guy and not a ukraine guy or from belarus?
@@pittbrad because hes russian?
@@pittbradbecause he sound like Russian we don’t know Belarus accent.
@@sam.a683 I'm from Ukraine and you can't tell my Russian accent apart. The whole world confuses us in game chats. IT'S ANGRY, STOP PLS!
@@АлексейСадовый-б2нyeah but Slavic is too broad man. Just accept that us anglos are gonna characterize eastern Slavic accents as Russian.
I've only just started watching your videos, not really having paid any attention to Civ 6 multiplayer but damn, this video is scratching the same itch that FilthyRobot's Civ 5 multiplayer videos used to.
yea seriously, filthy robot was so ahead of everyone else and finally people are starting to get as good at this game as he was at civ 5
No. This is Arvius level of top play.
streamer luck spawns
lol you just analyzing your current game situation while everyone in voice is arguing
Timestamp?
@@SomeFreakingCactusthe entire video?
I really appreciate the adjustment.
Also I'm thrilled to see a sea spawn, because most of the times teching harbors screws up my early game flow.
16:43 Once you place a district the price is locked. You can use this to place a district/building and then move onto something more critical
Got me giggling when oxford gave irrigation tech 2:18:29
sick, just watched the tokugawa op video too lol
is there a reason not to build an early galley instead of the scout, in case a barb galley comes, for era score and to scout the coastline?
Galleys are over twice as expensive as scouts. Of course, once we reach the foreign trade civic, we gain access to a policy card that grants +100% production towards ancient era naval units - unfortunately, that comes much too late for a galley to replace a scout in the opening build order.
Secondly, barbarian galleys don't spawn in the ancient era with the settings used in CPL games, so we don't have to concern ourselves with them early on.
36:05 Is that a change in BBG? In the base game, I'm like 95% certain that the card still doubles your first envoy even with the fake envoys that Amani gives.
as a base game yes its the same
hey herson can you explain the start in a very short explanation instead of working the 2-2 tile but settling the mercury that caught my eye and confused me
Like he Said space for more Cities and early tempo from fish tile along With going for mausoleum later
What is the discount district mechanic he keeps mentioning?
It's one of those ridiculous hidden mechanics Firaxis loves to include in their games without telling you. I made a guide on it: ua-cam.com/video/lE7rlJJK9LM/v-deo.html
What does discount districts mean?
There is a way you can get your districts prod cost reduced by 40%. Just google civ 6 wiki district discount mechanics. The formulae are there.
Bro got the best spawn in Civ VI
Are you playing against randome player lobbies?
I guess not cause they all leaving but where do you play
10 seconds in and Im stressed by your selecting / deselecting units constantly 😂
I have no idea what's going on but this seems so much chiller than sweating the StarCraft ladder
Anyone know what the mod is that shows yield increase from policy cards?
I am pretty sure Amani does not count for the double envoy card. Meaning you can send you first envoy and it will double even if you have Amani already stablished there. Not sure if this is a change in the balance mod.
Where is the rest of the video??
49:26 if you waited one turn for the other comhub to be build, would that one be discounted?
Could you explain to me why the focus is not on the adjacency when playing with Tokugawa?Is this overrated?
Is it possible to adapt these MP strats to a vanilla SP game vs diety?
If you're still wondering and haven't seen the vid, he posted one about this
@@juncheok8579 have already testen it myself and seen the Vid, so e parts seem possible, others not that reasonable
@@Atze.Tatze69 interesting, I'll have to give it a try myself when I get the time
What's the mod that shows every civs stat at the top of the screen, under every leader? Their military str., science, culture etc.
Thanks in advance :)
I'm pretty sure it's actually just a setting that you can turn on.
Options > Interface > Show Yields in HUD Ribbon (Always Show)
does the Abraham Lincoln exploit work on the online play?
Should you have maybe later built 1 or 2 more scouts?
I have a question, why is everyone is playing on the abundant settings? Im trying to play on the basic settings on the deity, it is hard as hell.
CPL FFA default settings
@@SalmoanZ what is that to be exact?
@@VazerStat it's a preset in CPL FFA mod but maybe I answered the wrong question. The reason why people keep playing on Abundant is to guaranteed resources like horse, Iron, Gunpowder etc. Imagine you playing in default setting and you wanna rush someone early game or maybe mod game and there's no necessary resources so you cannot get specific unit to fight against opponent this also related to luxury resources as well
@@SalmoanZ so basically they are getting rid of the luck by that? Good thing to determine whether or not the person is good with all needed resources but at the same time no hard times like fighting for resources and shit like that, basically you can just stay in your territory make an army that will be able to defend your territories and then just rush culture, religious or science victory. there is no need in rushing making as many cities as you can to get more resources. It is a good setting for just looking at the skills when a person has everything but you can't see how he thinks in certain situations determining what he needs to do, quick thinking and other stuff.
@@VazerStatNot really. I mean, every player can vote on which settings they want, but mostly in CPL FFA, they go for Abundant, so everyone gets fair resources. There are a lot of factors that affect the outcome. How you make the best use of your resources, what to do next, the golden rules, leader skills, Golden Era, etc. it's easy to talk about but hard to execute. There are many minor details you need to learn and practice until you're good at it. Playing against bots is so much easier compared to playing against other players because bots are stupid, even on Deity level.
What is the benefit to you if another player sends you trade routes?
The bonus yields from alliances (+2 science from research alliance, for instance), from the Wisselbanken policy card (+2 food & +2 prod) and from Democracy (+4 food and +4 prod) are granted to both the sender and recipient of a trade route.
love the dollar store wifi joke
15:13 you could have waited 2 turns to claim the hut? It was in the corner so no one can snatch
If the hut rolls an inspiration it was never going to be very impactful even if I delayed it. I'd rather just take it right away, hope it's something actually useful, and get my scout moving again so that I can find more huts and meet more players. It's basically never worth having your scout AFK next to a hut for multiple turns in an FFA, especially if you aren't sure you're going to hit your first golden age and you want to keep your scouts moving for era score.
is there some sort of unwritten rule against settler stealing in mp? If there is, I don’t really get it, it’s a part of the game and if you don’t want it to happen you should have a sufficient military
I think it’s about stealing when you accept a delegation. It’s seen as BM. You can steal a settler but the person sending a delegation is asking if they’re friendly.
As far as I can tell there’s no rule.
Just a prisoners dilemma. Most people play in the same time slot every week, there’s only a few dozen people avialable then, therefore everyone gains a reputation good or bad quickly.
If you steal a settler you’ll be known as the guy who will screw you over, and will damage your early game fun. Same as being a traitor who doesn’t renew an alliance, when you are limited to 2 alliances each. You don’t want a bad reputation it will make people reticent to trade with you, form alliances, grudge war you rather than conceding just to avenge themselves or a fellow players death.
Now of course sometimes people do still steal a settler, it just comes with a human cost to you, in addition to the in game war cost, and your human cost can ripple through for a long time.
@@MrCalls1 It's more of a toxicity issue that you encounter in every popular multiplayer game. Have you ever encountered someone who griefed your game in CS, Dota, League, etc? Because someone did it to them previously? If you steal my settler early on and I feel like my game is ruined, im going to war you and we're both ending up with a bad game because you decided to greif my game by stealing my settler.
Are barbarian spawn rates reduced by BBG?
No, we just use a setting in the advanced game setup to change Barbarians from "standard" to "civilized", which reduces their spawn rates. I believe that doesn't require any mods
@@HersonCiv I haven't seen that as a setting and I play Gathering Storm single player
@@BearEnjoyer Yes, I know now that I was incorrect. That setting isn't available without mods. It's either BBG or MPH that adds it
@@HersonCiv Ah, guess I was late to the punch then
Could you have discounted your third harbor?
No, one of the requirements for district discounting is that you have to have placed fewer of the type of district you're trying to discount built than you have districts finished over districts unlocked. This can be written as:
A: # of specialty districts unlocked
B: The number of specialty districts completed
C(T): The number of districts of type T that have been placed
and the requirement to discount a district of type T is C(T) < B/A
If we plug in the numbers we have after finishing our second harbor, the formula becomes 2 < 2/2. This is false, as 2 is not less than 1. Therefore, we can't discount a harbor.
As a rule, it's completely impossible to ever discount a district if it's the type of district you've built the most of.
@@HersonCiv oh yeah I forgot, you’re right
You know gaul was in the thumbnail right and you think your empire is op
The section on Gaul in the Better Balanced Game full changelog:
-Delayed culture on mines until bronze working is researched
-Removed culture bombs on mines
-Construction an oppidum no longer awards the apprenticeship technology
-No longer gains any culture from producing military units
-Bonus Combat strength on melee/anti-cav units based on adjacent units nerfed from +2 to +1
-Bonus Combat strength on ranged units entirely removed
For comparison, the section on Tokugawa:
-Bonus yields on internal trade routes from districts completed at the destination nerfed from +2 gold to +1
@@HersonCiv you say that but the 20% culture on unit making makes it better than any bonus your empire provides, it's Alexander but instead of science/supremacy easy win its culture/supremacy easy win
@@Average_Elf_Player would be a shame if what you're replying to literally lists that as a feature they no longer have then, huh
poop
Why could you build all these fisheries? A governor, and then why didn't you have to move it around?
BBG removes fisheries from Liang, instead making them a tile improvement that can be built in any city upon reaching the cartography technology. Believe it or not, they're still hardly ever built. The only reason I build so many of them in this game is because the suzerain bonus of Auckland (+1 production on coastal tiles, +2 after industrialization) has been changed in BBG to only apply to improved water tiles rather than all water tiles.
Thanks for the explanation!@@HersonCiv
Why on earth does nobody war against you >.>
I really dont want to see my secondary main nerfed because other players are stupid and dont fight the isolation king >.>
(Before anyone claims Im a meta slave, I mained Hojo Tokimune since day one civ 6 release, and my current main is Wu Zetian).
Also, that aztec district sabotage at the end was glorious XD
That being said, if they do nerf Tokugawa I’ll just swap to Hojo Tokimune
nobody wars because u lose tempo warring early
I will admit that I have never played MP Civ and I've only watched videos about it from Herson, but I believe it's the case of "what should be done", yet "what nobody has benefit in doing". Herson has said in one of his videos how taking wars early is a mistake, as you heavily lose out on tempo compared to other players who were just siming. Yet, as you've said, the only way to stop Tokugawa is to war early. So basically, each player has a choice: Sacrifice themselves in order to stop Tokguawa from getting first place, or fight for second place and let Tokugawa win. Considering people are aiming for their own rank, not for lobby's rank, most people choose latter option, and so Tokugawa ends up being meta.
Similar situations happen in Teamfight Tactics, where there were teams that required one of the opponents to sacrifice their tempo/game, or let the other player win the lobby. People didn't really enjoy playing against those teams.