@@CraftComputing Well, this may not be possible if there is no real way to remote play with 3d acceleration. Parsec has moved on from Windows 8.1 hosting to only allowing Windows 10 hosting. Sunshine also seems to be limited on Windows to Windows 10. So, that will be about as far as this project can go unless someone else out there has another idea.
Please look at the FOSS Project Looking Glass as a better alternative to Moonlight for this kind of usage. It's lossless, uses shared ram to transfer the frames between the VM and host, and it's latency is second to none. I am the author of Looking Glass, so feel free to get in touch with me if you would like to collaborate on this in the future.
I would love to see video transcoding performance on these kind of cards, how many concurrent transcoding streams can we get? Perhaps a roundup video of all these old enterprise cards showing how they might perform for a media server?
I would really like to try these - mainly for low power draw and I ran 750tis as main cards for a while. Good enough for low end cloud rigging. Sadly - UK pricing remains very silly for the grid, or tesla M40s. Marking down for future when they eventually do become ... 'cheap'..
When they will be cheap, they won't be worth it, and obselete. America has more of these lying around, your only hope is that some datacenter decides to get rid of their old ones and put them up for sale for decent pricing.
Have you ever tried the new "virGL GPU" type in Proxmox ? I'm trying to get the GPU acceleration running in Debian VMs with LXQt desktop for my school. I just can't get it to work fully... Love all your videos about cheap GPUs with lots of VRAM but can't use them as we only want to run dozens of VMs with desktops and no "heavy" apps. Therefore splitting the GPU into some static virtual pieces seems wasteful.
Hey Jeff, with the large amounts of LLM's being used now and considering their use of graphics card VRAM, could this setup be used in a local processing AI type of configuration? Just wondering because I am seeing many M40's being unloaded at very low prices.
I tried for several hours to get sunshine to work smoothly but without success. In Local LAN to AppleTV there was a very noticeable latency and it was not smooth at all. I switched to Steam Link and there it works smooth, fast and much better quality. Recommend you try it instead But I really don't know how you managed to get sunshine to work smoothly.
As someone who knows that Pineapple belongs on Pizza i really enjoy watching your Videos. I am a hardware enthusiast & i like Beer (beeing born & raised in Bavaria, i almost have to like it)
700 series cards were orphaned by Nvidia but not Maxwell as that's the entire line of GTX 900 series cards. Yet a couple of cards from the 700 series use Maxwell cores. But all that really means is there aren't newer drivers for them, it's not completely abended since you can still get drivers for older GPUs.
Hi, I have installed both sunshine/moonlight and parsec on my remote gaming host, tested both and feel like sunshine solution is a bit laggy compared to parsec. I can feal the remote latency on sunshine and on parsec it felt like playing directly on physical host the latency is imperceptible. Can you do more thorough testing to compare the 2 solution? Is it really like or just me and my setup.
A question I have is multiplayer games, I cannot play Rust, because EAC says Cannot run in VM, I've done research and weird configs but do you have a solution? I pretty sure they won't work but still curious.
Anything with anti cheat even basic ones like EAC will get flagged because the games cannot monitor the host the vms are sitting on well enough to say for sure there’s no cheating or funny business going on, that’s why almost every esport title blocks vms if they have an anti cheat, there’s been ways to bypass this but usually they all get patched out very quickly
There’s AMD equivalent but amd has gone against their norms and made it impossible to do anything with them yourself, their enterprise cards are almost completely locked down, was covered in the last craft computing on cloud gaming server video if you wanna check it out
Having run a GTX750ti when they were new, I'm surprised that you didn't expect Minecraft to run. I ran Minecraft with some fancy shaders with no issue at all. I mean, it's Minecraft 😁
I mean, I ran Minecraft up to Beta 1.7 on an Intel HD 3000 iGPU in my i7-2600K, 720p60 no fog, medium render. Beta 1.8 came around and my HD 3000 tanked to 720p5 max fog min render. Eventually bought a Radeon HD6850 in order to get 1080p60 no fog max render with Beta 1.8 up to around Release 1.5.
this could be an ok card for biz running cheaper refurb cluster nodes - gpu make ai and models possible plus they crack passwords super fast and fuzz apps and also can mine some cc plus game - the collapse of prices is appreciated by smb sector - alphafold is a db you should run - 23tb - it needs gpu but only 64gb ram and 8 cores cpu - v possible even with budget refurb machines
Love the work, as an EX VMware employee love this
Proxmox + Grid M40 makes me want to try and make 4x Windows XP VMs for Retro (or Vintage or Classic whichever you want to call it) PC gaming.
That..... is a really interesting idea...
I don't have that many friends
@@BobHannent Those who do not have that many friends tend to have more kids. :)
@@CraftComputing Well, this may not be possible if there is no real way to remote play with 3d acceleration. Parsec has moved on from Windows 8.1 hosting to only allowing Windows 10 hosting. Sunshine also seems to be limited on Windows to Windows 10. So, that will be about as far as this project can go unless someone else out there has another idea.
@@voodoovinny7125 Some kind of nested virtualization maybe?
You do like to suffer with cloud gaming, don't you? Love your content!
Please look at the FOSS Project Looking Glass as a better alternative to Moonlight for this kind of usage. It's lossless, uses shared ram to transfer the frames between the VM and host, and it's latency is second to none. I am the author of Looking Glass, so feel free to get in touch with me if you would like to collaborate on this in the future.
I would love to see video transcoding performance on these kind of cards, how many concurrent transcoding streams can we get?
Perhaps a roundup video of all these old enterprise cards showing how they might perform for a media server?
I would really like to try these - mainly for low power draw and I ran 750tis as main cards for a while. Good enough for low end cloud rigging.
Sadly - UK pricing remains very silly for the grid, or tesla M40s.
Marking down for future when they eventually do become ... 'cheap'..
I've seen Tesla M40 24GB for $180 on eBay, that is crazy cheap for what's essentially a Maxwell Titan X with 2x the memory.
Same. I ran SLI 760s for years before upgrading to a 1060 6G.
When they will be cheap, they won't be worth it, and obselete.
America has more of these lying around, your only hope is that some datacenter decides to get rid of their old ones and put them up for sale for decent pricing.
Nice! Can you update the description with the links to the videos you mentioned?
You mention a video about Sunshine that’s linked in the description, but I think you missed that.
Have you ever tried the new "virGL GPU" type in Proxmox ? I'm trying to get the GPU acceleration running in Debian VMs with LXQt desktop for my school. I just can't get it to work fully... Love all your videos about cheap GPUs with lots of VRAM but can't use them as we only want to run dozens of VMs with desktops and no "heavy" apps. Therefore splitting the GPU into some static virtual pieces seems wasteful.
How do you think this card would perform for video transcoding, like for a PLEX server with multiple users hitting it at once?
Too easy
IIRC the M40 was the version with 384 cores per GPU and the M10 was the version with 640 cores per GPU and double the RAM too.
Hey Jeff, with the large amounts of LLM's being used now and considering their use of graphics card VRAM, could this setup be used in a local processing AI type of configuration? Just wondering because I am seeing many M40's being unloaded at very low prices.
reference to sunshine/moonlight video in description, but link not in description that i can see.
I tried for several hours to get sunshine to work smoothly but without success. In Local LAN to AppleTV there was a very noticeable latency and it was not smooth at all.
I switched to Steam Link and there it works smooth, fast and much better quality. Recommend you try it instead
But I really don't know how you managed to get sunshine to work smoothly.
Just wanna take a moment to apprentice the shirt, Jeff you are a gentleman of fine taste.
replied to your video post in discord, got an interesting question regarding cards like that in a gaming/rendering box
i like these sweet little tower cases - personally happy with my tower 900 but it really is a big heckin chonker
Hey, nice video. How do you connect to the vm for minecraft. I tried remotedesktop but the mouse raw datas make trouble
In geforce now alpha and beta, grid m something and tesla something were used. I remember that.
Pineapple Cider and Pizza!
You win the internet today!
As someone who knows that Pineapple belongs on Pizza i really enjoy watching your Videos.
I am a hardware enthusiast & i like Beer (beeing born & raised in Bavaria, i almost have to like it)
My favorite Cider getting represented! It's a pain to get in PA but is available in any gas station in Ohio.
how many yearshas this been going on for now :D
can I put a portliss card and a cheep gpu in the pc for a monitor hock up ?
700 series cards were orphaned by Nvidia but not Maxwell as that's the entire line of GTX 900 series cards. Yet a couple of cards from the 700 series use Maxwell cores. But all that really means is there aren't newer drivers for them, it's not completely abended since you can still get drivers for older GPUs.
I NEED to know where you acquired the shirt
Hey craft, do you think a threadripper 1920x would be a good processor for some gaming vms if I paired it with two Tesla m40s?
It's sad that those are mostly only available in America for those prices, here an M40 goes for 250 to 300, so not worth it at all.
but can it run crysis ?
but can beat bear goku?
What driver version did you use? I've been struggling for a week with similar problems on Tesla M40 and Proxmox 7.2.
Hi, I have installed both sunshine/moonlight and parsec on my remote gaming host, tested both and feel like sunshine solution is a bit laggy compared to parsec. I can feal the remote latency on sunshine and on parsec it felt like playing directly on physical host the latency is imperceptible. Can you do more thorough testing to compare the 2 solution? Is it really like or just me and my setup.
How about testing rdr2 and doom eternal under vulkan using explicit m-GPU?
It might just be me..... But those cases in the intro just look like popcorn machines....
Was Minecraft testing done with java or bedrock? Huge performance difference between the 2
A question I have is multiplayer games, I cannot play Rust, because EAC says Cannot run in VM, I've done research and weird configs but do you have a solution? I pretty sure they won't work but still curious.
Anything with anti cheat even basic ones like EAC will get flagged because the games cannot monitor the host the vms are sitting on well enough to say for sure there’s no cheating or funny business going on, that’s why almost every esport title blocks vms if they have an anti cheat, there’s been ways to bypass this but usually they all get patched out very quickly
What is the maximum number of VMs it can handle, 16 per chip?
My favorite topic!!!
I was unsubscribed to a bunch of channel's! I was worried that I wasn't getting your notifications. Check your sub list guys!
Don't blame it on the sunshine, don't blame it on the moonlight.....
Ciderboys is the bomb!
Can you fake a NvLink and have the cores work as one?
Even if it worked flawlessly, I'd still pick Arc over any card atm for av1 support
lol
Is that you Intel? 😂
What tesla card would you suggest for if i wanted to run a Five M server for GTA V? Just in my home network
The Tesla M40 is a great option. 3072 CUDA Cores and 12GB GDDR5 for $100. It can support two VMs (1536 CUDA / 6GB) at 1080/60 with Medium settings.
cider boys mixed pack is very good, strawberry, pineapple, and peach yummy yummy in my tummy!
Yep! It's a staple around my house.
With these videos you always do Nvidia enterprise GPUs, is that because there aren't any enterprise AMD equivalent GPUs?
There’s AMD equivalent but amd has gone against their norms and made it impossible to do anything with them yourself, their enterprise cards are almost completely locked down, was covered in the last craft computing on cloud gaming server video if you wanna check it out
@@SumMarbles thanks I must have missed that part of the video!
Having run a GTX750ti when they were new, I'm surprised that you didn't expect Minecraft to run. I ran Minecraft with some fancy shaders with no issue at all. I mean, it's Minecraft 😁
I mean, I ran Minecraft up to Beta 1.7 on an Intel HD 3000 iGPU in my i7-2600K, 720p60 no fog, medium render. Beta 1.8 came around and my HD 3000 tanked to 720p5 max fog min render.
Eventually bought a Radeon HD6850 in order to get 1080p60 no fog max render with Beta 1.8 up to around Release 1.5.
I like that he like pineapple on pizza witch is how we do it in Australia.
Shunt mod + overclock!
Why not test it with OpenGL games (multiplatform) like RAGE or other Apple and Linux games and not PS4 emulated games?
Can HandBrake use it for hardware H265 encoding?
What's hard cider? Cider that's even more alcoholic?
this could be an ok card for biz running cheaper refurb cluster nodes - gpu make ai and models possible plus they crack passwords super fast and fuzz apps and also can mine some cc plus game - the collapse of prices is appreciated by smb sector - alphafold is a db you should run - 23tb - it needs gpu but only 64gb ram and 8 cores cpu - v possible even with budget refurb machines
a free like for the Pineapple on Pizza!
Drivers for Windows require a little bit (pun) of hacking, but I've made other such cards work. Google is your friend here..
It's probably a gts 450.. 😁
You played through games with that sort of framerate? Sir I don't know if I should take advice from a masochist.
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Heaven forbid I get paid for my content ;-)
@@CraftComputing In what currency "Cudos" , good currency thou!!!