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Fixed bugs. I mean druid main here with skill tags being considered flavour text as stated by wudijo. False representation of power and funnelling all builds to do one thing. What about other builds that don't do OP.
season is pretty much over, spiritborn is broken af, it does so much damage already that it doesn't really matter, i would let the other classes have a fraction of that brokeness for the rest of the season. All this assuming that this bugs doesn't break the game on other levels like performance or server issues. If that's the case then obviusly it should be fixed asap.
I’ve been defending this game nonstop since launch but it has me pretty depressed now. Every season is more bugged than the season before it, and now they’re just straight up refusing to fix things because the player base is so toxic they’d get ripped apart by Reddit for *checks notes* fixing what’s broken?
Sad that you missed the broodwar and original d2 release battlenet days. Defending was gone years ago, we barely, begrudgingly still play. I long for the sweet release.
Remember Ball Lightning Sorcerer? It also was extremely bugged in season 2 and didn't get brought down in power massively until the start of season 3. Spiritborn not getting smashed down until the start of Season 7 isn't outside of the pattern for D4. The Antivenin elixir bug will however be addressed before then.
Definitely agree with these points. The state of Diablo 4 is close to ridiculous and I feel is compounding to a bigger and bigger brand of shame on Blizzard.
The entire point of Diablo 4 being an online only game was so that it could be quickly patched and updated. That's precisely what the devs said when people complained about there being no offline mode. Then they switch gears and say they won't do bug fixes in the middle of the season. So which is it? Imo all bugs should be squashed immediately. Otherwise what tf was point of this being an online game?
Because 99% of what was “wrong” with spirit born had ZERO to do with bugs. Everyone uses the words “bug” and “exploit” and that’s not even what they are. The devs themselves didn’t even use the term bug until later in the stream. “Unintended interactions” which is save face lingo for “we didn’t pay attention to what we were doing”
@@byohazord exactly. I think it was Rax that said the problem with Spiritborn was not that legendary node, bcause it will be, after the fix, still be the best class. Bcause of all these interactions of those passive abilities at rank one...
"Don't worry we will leave your playing you bugs this season, we will fix it next season" I think that was from the 2nd season. Reality check: Blizzard developers don't have a fix for the bugs.
An exploit is an exploit....I don't think one can cherry pick which unintended bug gets to be fixed. SB spend less time getting to X than a player grinding on a different class. So, the argument about respecting players time seem to only apply to SB players, who have it so much easier. The only sensible direction they could have gone is reduce Pit scaling so that ALL classes can at least level their glyphs to 100. Blizz have basically given the nod to exploiting... which I think, in the long run, is damaging to the brand and game. Sure, everyone can start a SB character but is that what we really want to do? I don't want to be this negative but in what was meant to be an epic showcase season has become, basically, a write-off. On the other hand, if players are "having so much fun" invalidating everything in the game then lets just do that for all classes going forward this season. We all know where that will go. The over arching question is.... Where has ethical "legit" gaming gone? It used to be a thing.
If people put time on a bug its their gamble. Everyone should know bugs are meant to be fixed. This "keep it cause its fun mentality" is ruining the game and i bet its just a loud minority. If it was the majority of players the player base numbers wouldnt be looking that bad
I play rogue by choice. I know i can play sb and clear higher tiers. I simply don't care what other players characters can do. Why does everybody else?
I agree with you, why should it matter if you are doing 1 quadrillion damage, if the boss or mobs would have at max 1 million. It's really sad how custom builds just don't work as well as the meta
I dipped before the xpac and it looks like that was a good choice. Having a class that is orders of magnitude better than others with devs that refuse to fix obviously bugged things is... certainly something.
I stopped playing D4 in season 4 due to me feeling "It will always be the same" at the start of D4 they said it won´t be Bazzillions of Damage like in D3... Now... Well I hate to get strengthened in my decision back then to be OK.
They literally just patched antivenin while I was trying to level glyphs in the pit 😆. Now I'm back to not even coming close to being able to finish glyph leveling blood surge necro and I've got pretty good gear (mythics) and near min-maxed everything except the darned ancestral amulet that I can't find with the proper passives. That's sounds like the last of the late-endgame fun I'll be having with non-spiritborn classes for this season I think. I don't think the mid-season patch is going to boost my two necromancers (blood wave, blood surge) and my rogue (flurry) enough to make it worth the time. I enjoyed my time with SB with having really good, but not perfect, gear (and actually got my glyphs to max level). THEN ... I started alts and well...
@@Osinnii_Lis I have a decently well-rolled 2GA banished lord's talisman (used on my overpower SB build) and the damage is comparable with a legendary amulet with +3 to coalesced blood and +3 tides of blood... considering the loss of an aspect and tempers, the talisman doesn't seem best in slot.
I tried swapping world tier a few times and it seems that if you have Heir of Perdition equipped when you log in, you stay on 1 stack, if you unequip it and equip it however, it will now go up to 2 stacks when you swap world tier. So it seems to be some weird interaction with the unequip/equip action that allows for the additional stack when swapping world tier. It also seems to reset to 1 stack max when you relog. So unless you are helmet swapping when doing different kinds of content, testing new builds or getting a better version of the helmet, in combination with swapping world tier, you would be playing with the intended power it seems. Additional testing: If you unequip/equip the helmet and teleport(even to the same city) before you swap world tier it won't go above 1 stack, but if you unequip/equip it again and swap tier, it will go to 2 stacks again.
If there is a bug, exploit or anything what should not be in the game, it needs to be fixed as soon as possible. I don't care if you spend 500 hrs on broken character or spend 5 minutes to do side quest. End of story.
I had to can my SB evade build cause of the bug so what’s the difference between that the other bugs? Are bugs fun to play , yes! But a bug is bug so I agree with you.
My issue with this is.. SB was bugged. Not just overpowered. Not oops we messed up balance. Bugged. As soon as they figured out it was bugged it could have been fixed, before everyone spent so much effort building towards the bugged interactions. They could have also immediately announced that they were going to fix the bug to fair warn anyone that was investing into the bugged interaction. So no I don't think this bug is different, except they will actually fix this one.
good points, though I would have enjoyed taking advantage of the Helm of Predition bug if I had known about it to scrape out one or two more pit levels on my minion necro.
Ideally: 1) fix/prevent from coming up such types of bugs 2) get good balance between classes out of the box 3) (bonus) make more variety in builds that actually work, any class should be able to finish 150/speedfarm 100s
I feel that one class outperforming every other IS IMPACTING other classes, and other players experience of the game. It simply means other players have easier time leveling up their characters, going through content, obtaining materials, items etc. Not to mention that having those Spiritborn bullets flying around World Bosses still impacts the behavior of my game, despite the fact it was somehow fixed. Just not enough fix, it seems.
The game is an insanely buggy mess and they need to focus on actually fixing the bugs because it's impossible to balance anything while half the game is bugged
I'm going to honest despite how it will come off. I think anyone who expects or expected to be buffed up to where a class that has bugs that literally 1000xed their damage is living in lala land. I think both of these bugs should be fixed asap and I think in general people need to stop comparing their class to the spiritborn. At the end of the day every single class has a build (or multiple) that can clear pit 100. As you said in one of your streams, every class is capable of completing all content in the game, including getting their glyphs to 100. To me, everything beyond that is just extra.
Interesting analysis as always MBB. The thing that struck me - was the SB doesn't impact other players comment - I have been finding recently that the game seems to lag if there are too many SB's in the same place doing the same thing - i.e. World Boss, Helltide Maiden. Once they are dead, the lag goes away. Curious if anyone else has seen this or if it's just a figment of my internet speed.....
I think most people who play spiritborn are already bored of it and the season and would not care if the spiritborn gets fixed. It is not a nerf to fix bugs. 1.1 cutting damage types in half was a nerf. Fixing a bug is just that fixing a bug and making you experience what the class was always supposed to be like.
Literally saw a wraparound overflow screenshot where sure enough they hit negative numbers. This is definitely not good for the long term health of the game. At the very least, the antivenin needs to be fixed.
You wan't them to hand it all to you on a plate do you? Aw, widdums. Maybe go try Diablo II and see how long it takes before you see a legit Ber rune drop in front of you. It's players like you that have ruined Diablo because believe it or not ... this iteration of Blizzard actually listen to and pander to you.
@@sc0zzers Way to wave your little peen around. Not everyone's a masochist with 1000's of hours to waste banging their head against the wall. Some of us will move on after only a couple hundred hours.
I want them to nerf spiritborn and I have one. You know why? Because if I am playing any other character, I physically cannot participate in any overworld activity with them around. They just evade around blowing up the entire screen and I run out of resource and cant find a living monster to attack to refill it. Its awful.
The problem for me is either to do not properly test or they do not fix what they find. At the start of the season the elites in pit 101 and above did not even have affixes. So no one in testing ran a pit above 100 and saw this in testing?! There has been several things like this over the past year where I could not understand how in testing they even looked at something a single time. Coiling Fate Achievement was not obtainable until a recent patch which is just doing 3 simple quests for example. I can name several more examples of just obvious stuff. Of course they are not finding/fixing then non obvious stuff. I don't know if they know about it and just don't have the time/resources to fix things but whatever it is that is a huge, huge issue imo.
It’s interesting because when it came to other builds, I hated it when they just nuerfed it to the ground midseason. However, for a spear born, maybe because it’s a whole entire class, I don’t mind them nerfing them at all.
I died laughing when I saw that life total initially... 900K is absurd Love seeing you come in with the receipts Definitely a big problem that needs an immediate fix Life totals should (obviously) not go that high 🤣
Hey Macro, first, thanks for the video. I enjoy your content. Keep it up. Counterpoint 1: Users who want to compete in unofficial leaderboards can do so by submitting evidence in their uncut videos that they are not using known exploits. This is as simple as displaying the character sheet along with all active buffs and HP. This method does not impact their ability to prove they are competing "fairly." Counterpoint 2: Ease of access is a poor argument for why one bug should be fixed over another, and frankly, it is not even a fair point. Comparing Spiritborn’s bugs to this: Is it as easy as doing a quest? No. Would the potion bug worsen Spiritborn’s issues? Yes. Here’s how I understood the crux of your argument comparing the two bugs: "Benefiting from Spiritborn requires a considerable investment, whereas this is just a side quest and needs to be fixed" (a paraphrase). My counterargument is that making an investment in a build is a normal expected behavior for any class, regardless of whether there is a bug. Imagine if the potion bug stayed-do you think players who wanted to exploit it for pushing content wouldn't also make efforts to optimize their builds to take advantage of the bug? They certainly would. Conversely, because of the unintended interactions that plague the job, Spiritborn outperforms other classes even with a mediocre investment of time and effort. Players can and likely do use these bugs unintentionally, thinking it is just the design of the class, because the attributes that scale are not particularly hard to acquire. It is just as low effort and still trivializes the game to the same extent. Should it be fixed? Personally, I couldn't care less at this point. I am tired of debating when a bug should or shouldn’t be fixed. I want the discussion to shift dramatically towards blaming and shaming Blizzard for their lack of quality control measures. There is no reason bugs should be introduced at such an astounding frequency and with such wild severity. Product quality needs to improve. Instead of making Blizzard promise, "Don't nerf my class! I put time into it!" I want the conversation to be, "Get it right the first time. If you can't do it within a four-month cadence, take more time." Thanks again. Looking forward to your next video.
I agree with mostly leaving class balance alone midseason and strongly addressing at the start of a new season. If something required basically no time to do like using an elixir of holy bolt with a minion build on Duriel to kill him super fast, yeah, patch it ASAP.
I logged onto my eternal character from a few months back. It was a Barb that was fully masterworked, I probably spent a couple hundred hours playing that character. So I went on Eternal and saw he only had 475HP and my paragon board setup was gone. That's when I realized that clearly a lot has changed in the past 2-3 months that I need to try to figure out. Gonna start here
Idk how you figure a lot of this out, but as always, fantastic insight my dude. To your question, Ive never cared about exploits in the game and people using them. I personally don't like to because it feels like I'm putting an asterisk on my character/build
Everyone will have their own opinion about the take devs are having for D4, but I think it is fair to say that this game can't be taken as a serious product anymore. It won't be about being excited for new content but rather being expectant for the next bug you will build around and pray that the bug is in favour of your class to enjoy that power. I've got the feeling that I have been charged full price for an early access game and they are good with it. I can not trust the tooltips in the game to build around what it says. I think they should've nerfed the Spiritborn before mid-season, but since they didn't, mid-season was the best moment for it. It is not like people are unaware that the class is bugged, Macro. They are making builds around bugs! They know they will be ''fixed'' and that's why people was so nervious before the campfire: because they knew they had built they character over a bunch of things that were going to be reverted at some point. That doesn't feel like ''respecting player's time'', it feels like laziness and sticking to their agenda no matter how broken things are.
Exactly! ZERO creativity. Nothing but exploits. And people are proud of that. "Look at my next super bugged build" says every content creator for Diablo IV
They needed to nerf SP week one or not at all since 60% of the player base plays SP and they would be screeching like children for the next 2 months lol
I’ll be back in later season if some streamers leak the info that all S6 top management were retired early. (Which will never happen.) Blizzard clearly has all the talent to fix bugs in due course, it’s just the top management (those non-gamers with genius mind for making the highest profit) decided what’s the best for gamers.
@@ZonyKay Nah, this is Fergusson and class director not being aware of what actually happens in the game. Class director (I forget his name, but it is the man sitting in the middle) didn't know about snapshots for DoK Rogue builds, he is completely disconnected from the game and Fergusson is so lost that he asked people on Twitter if they should do something about it (Spiritborn), despite having dedicated forums for this game and the game itself can have surveys, like the ones they roll asking if you are happy with the game at the end of each season...
I'm of the opinion that SB and bugs in general should be addressed and fixed as soon as they appear in the game. At the beginning of the game, when they established that these bugs would not be addressed, that also was in part because of the lack of build diversity and gear we had in the game. Now that we have more uniques, more aspects and overall better balance than the first seasons, these bugs and exploits should be addressed in time and not wait until the next season. Having said that, if they decided to fix bugs for the next season and they've made up their minds about it, then these 2 new bugs should also remain until the next season, because it would be hypocritical changing a bug that affects many classes and not change the bugs that affect only one class.
@@pablodrogo I think this is well said. Basically, it makes sense that the devs promised to us what they did back in season 2 with the "no nerfs mid-season" promise. But the situation and the context of everything has massively changed and evolved since then, and I think the devs need to go back and look at that promise and potentially go back on it and change their approach again. And players will accept it (most of us will, anyway), as long as the devs communicate it to us clearly. They should also communicate it before they ever take action. They should make a blog post to share with us that their thinking has evolved, and that in light of the game having way more builds that are possible now, they have to have a different approach on balancing. And then if they want to start nerfing things, then they can do that a week or two later. But give the players some time to digest the difference in approach that they might take. Unfortunately though, I don't think these devs will do that 😑 they will do as they said, they will leave bugs and broken things un-fixed so that little crybaby children don't cry over nerfs. Sad state of affairs.
Was farming 150s pits in under 90 secs yesterday with the elixir ..... still took ages from 295 to 296 . Can't even imagine how long that must take without the bugs and xp elixirs ...
But Blizzard never said they were buffing the other classes to the level of current spiritborn, nor that everyone would be clearing Pit 150s. What they said was they were trying to buff the other classes to the levels of a bug-fixed Spiritborn. So current classes are roughly where SB should be in Season 7. It was reiterated many times in the stream. And the steam was only like 35 minutes, so it should have been clear to anyone with ears and about 3 pounds of wrinkled meat between them. People can discuss and think whatever about what Blizz SHOULD do, but you can't really argue about what they actually said.
The point is not them not wanting to balance, it was unbalanced by design to coerce players into buying the DLC. It's an undercover pay-to-win mechanic no matter how you look at it. Does it work? Yes! Is it legal? Also Yes! Do people fall for that? Of course they do, I'm one of them
But what did you pay to win? Enjoying the game you were playing. The bugs were not intentional, this is the weirdest conspiracy that gets tossed around.
@@MacroBioBoi You can consider this a conspiracy but it makes a lot of sense to me. And I'm not complaining, this is the most fun season for me so far, I love it
@@MacroBioBoi Paid for the expansion. Even without bugs Spiritborn would be notably better than the rest, that was intentional. Bugs just made the scale of it way more drastic than they had planned
Honestly, way to stretch 2 minutes of content into 15. D4 is a glorious mess that was fun for two to three weeks after launch. Anyone with an ounce of interest cleared pit 150, got all uber uniques and quit the game because there's no sense beating a dead horse. Blizz did the usual thing and chose the path of least resistance - did nothing. Then, when they had a chance to do something about it, they put two more lead slugs in its head. I don't envy d4 creators... You're trying to squeeze two drops of blood from a corpse and call it news.
Blizzard is walking a thin line right now. On the one hand, they probably want to fix these bugs, but on the other with PoE 2 around the corner, they don't want to push people away from their game and send them over to that game.
I think if its bugs it should be fixed, but I feel some people are just confusing it with 'nerfs' since alot of power of specific builds based on history and currently is from bugs, if they were fixed and worked as intended, I think some are fairly balanced. But those that negatively impact people experiences like Duping and exploits should be prioritized fixing.
The problem is you can't play without them because almost every build that should work without bugs has at least one bug in it. I'm kind of wondering if anything would even get past 110 without them.
Fixed an issue where the Elixir of Antivenin granted significantly more health than intended. This fix will go live a few hours after this client patch hits. It will be in a coinciding server hotfix.
I realy lost believs in blizz, they are realy unable to do their work properly, bugs everywhere, after year and half when game is out. Every change takes them ages, no inovation, just cash grab. When PoE2 is out, it will be damn hard to go back to this buggy mess. Its sad, Im playing diablo(and blizz) games since I was child. D1 was like miracle when I first saw it. Now D4 is just shadow what this series should be.
There seems to be different builds being worked on in-house by several teams, and they don't centrally control bug fixes. So successive released builds might have bugs fixed one time and then the fix disappears again...very frustrating as you always feel its one step forward and then one back again... Your leaderboard point is interesting - I presume that they intend to develop more official leaderboards, and should this bug hide-and-seek continue then the same thing won't be able to be argued in the future - this will affect official leaderboards. They have to re-work how they operate internally with version control before they can roll them out. The D3 leaderboards were bad enough especially on console, but there are people running around in D4 currently with more than 12 masterworks per item...!!
Yup, that's the heart of it. WoW's having the same issues with hotfixes not being applied in subsequent patches. They are trying to go too fast by using multiple teams and not merging code properly.
I'm one of those who uses a Heir of Perdition and didn't even know about that bug. I've never even noticed the "2" in there. And yes, it needs to get fixed ASAP, just like the other bug, wich I didn't know about too. Also, I agree that fixing the spiritborn bugs would be a bummer for those who accidentally got into using them, but, from what I see, it's like 90% of the Diablo IV playerbase gets their builds from searching online instead of creating their builds on their own, so, yeah, I won't feel bad if they happen to lose all that power. That said, the safest and most fair thing to do is what they decided to do, wich is try buffing all the other classes, although it won't be nearly as powerfull as the bugged version of spiritborn no matter what.
unpopular opinion, So I really respect what u did here, not only posting the bug AFTER it has been reported (not sure if intentional or just late to the party) but giving a full breakdown of the bug (this way if blizzard doesnt nerf it i can make my own build around this bug). I hate it when content creators jump on the first chance they get to shout on the rooftops about (imo) "fun" bugs. Alot of ppl seems to disagree, often saying we are trying to gatekeep by not letting others know about the bug. I disagree, this is the kind of situation whereby if u know, u know. Thats it. I have no delusion that its gonna get fixed but i rather have it happen later then sooner. Look at all the depressing comments below, everyone is trying to juice whatever fun is left and this potion essentially lets u make a build without having to worry about survivability which imo in turn enables so many other builds. This season is ALREADY broken, ppl are actively avoiding SB so they can experience the game the way it is intended and with the exception for a few meta non SB builds there are NONE that comes close to pit 100. Not gonna name drop but within a few hours of patch content creators are already posting about the bug with insane video titles, like why oust the bug. Let us have our fun first then post about it.
@MacroBioBoi. I agree with your point. Of course the discussion will heat up because there are people who don’t accept the fact that some class may be even slightly stronger than the one we are playing. Now, I play all classes except for barbs and Druid. The SB was bugged from the start and should have been fixed in my opinion, as you would do with any software. But there are players that in order to get instant gratification will refuse that approach because of the “time invested”. I’m conscious of the limits my builds have and I accept the fact that if I can’t clear pit 130, I’m fine with that. What I like is that I can keep improving my builds and be constant with my game. To all the people that talk about how bad the game or Blizzard is I can remind that no one forces us to play the game if we don’t like it. But bugs as such, needs to be fixed as quick as possible.
At some point, Blizzard needs to fix all of these bugs. Whether this season, or previous ones, there is always some bugged build that benefits more than the others. We deserve better coding and testing.
It's a problem when they let some bugs stay (all where SB profit) and fix bugs that helps every class to reach SB-exclusive content, while SB even got the most out of it anyways, doesn't matter cause they already caped and just became faster. For my preference they should fix all bugs asap, but when they let SB bugs stay they should just let the potion stay as well and with season 7 there will be no more compromises for anyone.
Mid season patch would have been the perfect time to fix the spiritborn bugs so that they could collect data on the actual balance of that class in order to get it right for s7. There is no way that from just one week of ptr data they will nail that.
I wish they reloaded a past season of barb, this treatment on spiritborn because it's a new character is wild. Stat squish that only made one class worth playing is a cash grab, They may as well start fixing bugs now if we expect another yearly expansion and the Paladin
I agree, they should have said we are going to fix the SB bugs on mid season patch or on a hotfix. Bascially they called season 6. It could have been the best season... for now that spot is still on season 4 for me.
Would like to Blizzard put out a statement and tell use when the Elixir will be changes so those can enjoy it while it lasts and not have FOMO of missing out on the experience to feel like your cosplaying as a spirit born in another class.
I use a quill volley sb and some gear isn't fully mw and with the antivenom I can do pit 115. My friend is a sorc and even with his max aspects and great frozen orb build cannot clear past 93
14:40 ... Did they not... Literally say... Buffing other classes... To where the SB will be nerfed next season? SB is coming down, just not this week. If the balance is as you stated, and they can lift other classes successfully, that means the S7 nerfs are going to be quite good. Allegedly. If I conveyed clearly.
ETA: 🗣️YOU MEAN TO TELL ME DRUIDS AND ROGUES ARE THE ONLY CLASSES THAT HAVE ADVANCED* SINCE THE PATCH!? 😬 *Successfully submitted runs That's the best I got for the algorithm, go in peace 😅
I think Blizzard shot themselves in the foot in S2 by essentially stating class-bugs will be allowed to remain for the duration of a season, unless performance is affected etc. I know back then they were coming off a "rough" launch and with S1 nerfs etc. and were trying to earn back some goodwill in the community but it's honestly a tricky situation now. It's really lose-lose for them no matter what they do but I think it has set a bad precedent when fixing other bugs, just like we see today, although I'm betting the people upset about the antivenin bug being fixed are a minority. Most people probably didn't even know about it. Still, I think Blizzard should revisit and reconsider their stance on not fixing/nerfing classes mid-season. But I also blame the whiny community for always crying at any nerfs or hotfixes and not understanding anything about game balance/development.
nothing wrong with it i can run non meta build and have a good time playing skill that no one uses it nice to have these issues now and then and have fun with them and i could give a fly bird on the ladder thing
I wish bugs would be fixed, soon. And that the developers nerf overperforming builds for the sake of the long time life of the game. Stonks only seem to go up
So they didn't bug fix the Spiritborn because of angering the player base who invested time and effort in the builds. Ok, by why wait until MID Season? Bug fixing should've been done at the latest 2 weeks after VoH released, but I guess they wanted OP builds to help sell the xpac.
If you played the game since the start of the season you know that bug balancing was the least of the issues. That being said they certainly could make in-game announcements about the bugs and tell people, but they haven't nerfed anything outside of server related lag builds in 5+ seasons. Stop pretending this is new to s6 or the expansion.
I’d rather have bugs and unintentional interactions be fixed as soon as possible. That way we don’t get used to a broken build and then wonder why we feel like we got nerfed 3 months later.
They want to keep SB buzzing so people buy expansions but once S7 hits half of the players will probably never play it. Games do this all the time when its hero or class based the new one needs to be broken for the first while otherwise nobody will play the new stuff which defeats the point of it. In Diablos case SB was only one new element but its consuming the entire spotlight which isn't ideal. I personally levelled it to 60 and never touched it afterwards because I don't feel interested in something that requires bugs to be "fun"
I think Blizzard needs to learn how to fix a build without destroying it’s effectiveness in the game. That’s what was happening with past “fixes”. Reducing a build from godly to merely effective is ok. Reducing a godly build to sh*t is not.
Which is exactly what they did with lightning spear. Took an insanely fun and super high gear requirement build and made it litterally no longer function with all the nerfs they hit it with
I want them to rip off the bandaid before season 7. There is a majority more players who dont watch campfire or follow d4 news who are going to be just as upset when spiritborn is turbo weaker in season 7. Better to do it now that less people are playing and give people time to learn before the launch of next season. I feel like nerfing a bunch of things at the launch of season 7 is going to just drive more players to PoE 2 over buying a battle pass for d4. Its like a $10 dollar difference for early access. Idk it just seems like a bad marketing move on blizzards end if they do that.
This is why they should have nerfed it day 1. The less people who experienced it, the less the consequences would have been. Blizzard acted as cowardly idiots, and they deserve all the backlash they will get for being cowards.
@@zeriel9148 They are doing it to sell more copies of the expansion. The backlash they are going to face when 62% of the player base gets their character nerfed is gonna be wild.
@@justaddsleep Right, but I consider that completely counter productive. I don't buy into the notion that people like being overpowered overall. Sure, when there is a COMPARISON it is "fun" for a little while, but if all you've ever known is being overpowered, it's just boring and makes a game feel pointless. It's usually people who go from normal to overpowered mode who notice such things, not casuals and new buyers.
Next season theme is "Vessel of Hatred Hatred". They got to fix their dev QA process before going to a new season. If there are new bugs they should fix them ASAP rather than have them infest the community and its expectations.
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I don't care I'd rather have an alive game then a dead one Just keep shoving out broken shit something is going to click eventually
I would say this, keep the game broken and bring up all the other classes to have fun with them.
Fixed bugs. I mean druid main here with skill tags being considered flavour text as stated by wudijo. False representation of power and funnelling all builds to do one thing. What about other builds that don't do OP.
All bugs should be fixed. It doesnt matter if people put time on it. Most of this bugs people now its a bug, so its their gamble
season is pretty much over, spiritborn is broken af, it does so much damage already that it doesn't really matter, i would let the other classes have a fraction of that brokeness for the rest of the season. All this assuming that this bugs doesn't break the game on other levels like performance or server issues. If that's the case then obviusly it should be fixed asap.
I’ve been defending this game nonstop since launch but it has me pretty depressed now. Every season is more bugged than the season before it, and now they’re just straight up refusing to fix things because the player base is so toxic they’d get ripped apart by Reddit for *checks notes* fixing what’s broken?
same poe 2 is the only way to go
@@chietattoosactually I think I’m going to be spending a lot of time on STALKER 2 which drops today
Sad that you missed the broodwar and original d2 release battlenet days. Defending was gone years ago, we barely, begrudgingly still play. I long for the sweet release.
Remember Ball Lightning Sorcerer? It also was extremely bugged in season 2 and didn't get brought down in power massively until the start of season 3. Spiritborn not getting smashed down until the start of Season 7 isn't outside of the pattern for D4. The Antivenin elixir bug will however be addressed before then.
Well said! I feel exactly the same. 😒
Honestly, Blizzard isn't capable of balancing a table
They just gonna pump all other thing to match it...
If all items/things broke the balance, nothing is broken
Forget the balance, game is cooked because devs are cooked. It's like asking a flat earther to make a space craft.
Probably even it we take out the spiritborn the other classes are imbalanced, we just don't know because very few people play with them now
@@Magnus-q7g nothing else to play for me until POE 2
its fixed now. stop crying.
Definitely agree with these points. The state of Diablo 4 is close to ridiculous and I feel is compounding to a bigger and bigger brand of shame on Blizzard.
The entire point of Diablo 4 being an online only game was so that it could be quickly patched and updated. That's precisely what the devs said when people complained about there being no offline mode.
Then they switch gears and say they won't do bug fixes in the middle of the season.
So which is it?
Imo all bugs should be squashed immediately. Otherwise what tf was point of this being an online game?
Because 99% of what was “wrong” with spirit born had ZERO to do with bugs. Everyone uses the words “bug” and “exploit” and that’s not even what they are. The devs themselves didn’t even use the term bug until later in the stream. “Unintended interactions” which is save face lingo for “we didn’t pay attention to what we were doing”
@@byohazord exactly. I think it was Rax that said the problem with Spiritborn was not that legendary node, bcause it will be, after the fix, still be the best class.
Bcause of all these interactions of those passive abilities at rank one...
This bug doesn't currently work anymore, atleast on Spiritborn & Barbarian.
Elixir does not, but HoP just unequip/equip after changing torment tier, this still works with SB 11/22 at 9:10ET :D enjoy while it lasts
"Don't worry we will leave your playing you bugs this season, we will fix it next season"
I think that was from the 2nd season.
Reality check: Blizzard developers don't have a fix for the bugs.
I'm confused. When did we say hello to balance?
I think the antivenom elixir is deliberate, they've written off the season so just tweaked an elixir to let everyone except sorcs enjoy the brokenness
I thought it was on purpose too but apparently it’s getting fixed
@@byohazordI think it is fixed, not working for me anymore
Its fixed why they didnt let us play a little bit more with it :(((((((((((
@@thuggothic Yeah I tried it and it doesnt work
An exploit is an exploit....I don't think one can cherry pick which unintended bug gets to be fixed. SB spend less time getting to X than a player grinding on a different class. So, the argument about respecting players time seem to only apply to SB players, who have it so much easier. The only sensible direction they could have gone is reduce Pit scaling so that ALL classes can at least level their glyphs to 100. Blizz have basically given the nod to exploiting... which I think, in the long run, is damaging to the brand and game. Sure, everyone can start a SB character but is that what we really want to do? I don't want to be this negative but in what was meant to be an epic showcase season has become, basically, a write-off. On the other hand, if players are "having so much fun" invalidating everything in the game then lets just do that for all classes going forward this season. We all know where that will go. The over arching question is.... Where has ethical "legit" gaming gone? It used to be a thing.
If people put time on a bug its their gamble. Everyone should know bugs are meant to be fixed. This "keep it cause its fun mentality" is ruining the game and i bet its just a loud minority. If it was the majority of players the player base numbers wouldnt be looking that bad
I play rogue by choice. I know i can play sb and clear higher tiers. I simply don't care what other players characters can do. Why does everybody else?
I agree with you, why should it matter if you are doing 1 quadrillion damage, if the boss or mobs would have at max 1 million. It's really sad how custom builds just don't work as well as the meta
I dipped before the xpac and it looks like that was a good choice. Having a class that is orders of magnitude better than others with devs that refuse to fix obviously bugged things is... certainly something.
Any exploits and bugs should be fixed ASAP.
There are no reasons why they shouldn't.
I stopped playing D4 in season 4 due to me feeling "It will always be the same" at the start of D4 they said it won´t be Bazzillions of Damage like in D3... Now... Well I hate to get strengthened in my decision back then to be OK.
They literally just patched antivenin while I was trying to level glyphs in the pit 😆. Now I'm back to not even coming close to being able to finish glyph leveling blood surge necro and I've got pretty good gear (mythics) and near min-maxed everything except the darned ancestral amulet that I can't find with the proper passives.
That's sounds like the last of the late-endgame fun I'll be having with non-spiritborn classes for this season I think. I don't think the mid-season patch is going to boost my two necromancers (blood wave, blood surge) and my rogue (flurry) enough to make it worth the time. I enjoyed my time with SB with having really good, but not perfect, gear (and actually got my glyphs to max level). THEN ... I started alts and well...
Isn’t blood surge necro using banished lord talisman?
@@Osinnii_Lis I have a decently well-rolled 2GA banished lord's talisman (used on my overpower SB build) and the damage is comparable with a legendary amulet with +3 to coalesced blood and +3 tides of blood... considering the loss of an aspect and tempers, the talisman doesn't seem best in slot.
I tried swapping world tier a few times and it seems that if you have Heir of Perdition equipped when you log in, you stay on 1 stack, if you unequip it and equip it however, it will now go up to 2 stacks when you swap world tier. So it seems to be some weird interaction with the unequip/equip action that allows for the additional stack when swapping world tier. It also seems to reset to 1 stack max when you relog.
So unless you are helmet swapping when doing different kinds of content, testing new builds or getting a better version of the helmet, in combination with swapping world tier, you would be playing with the intended power it seems.
Additional testing:
If you unequip/equip the helmet and teleport(even to the same city) before you swap world tier it won't go above 1 stack, but if you unequip/equip it again and swap tier, it will go to 2 stacks again.
If there is a bug, exploit or anything what should not be in the game, it needs to be fixed as soon as possible. I don't care if you spend 500 hrs on broken character or spend 5 minutes to do side quest. End of story.
I had to can my SB evade build cause of the bug so what’s the difference between that the other bugs? Are bugs fun to play , yes! But a bug is bug so I agree with you.
When was D4 ever balanced?
Bugs and exploits should be addressed immediatelly. Not addressing them devalues the game overall.
Now I am just casually doing P150s in a non optimized build!
Same, needed to level glyphs on an alt and what better day than today lol. But it is crazy
This is the way
RIP Fun
Did it lastnight lol. Pit 150s carrying my bro. Doing 1,000s of quintillions of damage is crazy.
My issue with this is.. SB was bugged. Not just overpowered. Not oops we messed up balance. Bugged. As soon as they figured out it was bugged it could have been fixed, before everyone spent so much effort building towards the bugged interactions. They could have also immediately announced that they were going to fix the bug to fair warn anyone that was investing into the bugged interaction. So no I don't think this bug is different, except they will actually fix this one.
Really informative. These bugs are crazy. I was done with the season some time ago, but I may revisit as a Necro main.
I'm with you on your opinions re: fixing the two bugs.
good points, though I would have enjoyed taking advantage of the Helm of Predition bug if I had known about it to scrape out one or two more pit levels on my minion necro.
Ideally:
1) fix/prevent from coming up such types of bugs
2) get good balance between classes out of the box
3) (bonus) make more variety in builds that actually work, any class should be able to finish 150/speedfarm 100s
If they tested the game before launch, this wouldnt happen but ptr is just for hype not for testing stuff
Xevi is like, "See, Necro had a sip of that brew.... and that's when things got WICKED.... lol"
I love his stuff, it's addicting.
I feel that one class outperforming every other IS IMPACTING other classes, and other players experience of the game. It simply means other players have easier time leveling up their characters, going through content, obtaining materials, items etc. Not to mention that having those Spiritborn bullets flying around World Bosses still impacts the behavior of my game, despite the fact it was somehow fixed. Just not enough fix, it seems.
The game is an insanely buggy mess and they need to focus on actually fixing the bugs because it's impossible to balance anything while half the game is bugged
This is crazy. We were quad stacking pit 150 with sub 2 minute clears. Leveling glyphs like crazy but still sad. This potion needs to be fixed
I'm going to honest despite how it will come off. I think anyone who expects or expected to be buffed up to where a class that has bugs that literally 1000xed their damage is living in lala land. I think both of these bugs should be fixed asap and I think in general people need to stop comparing their class to the spiritborn. At the end of the day every single class has a build (or multiple) that can clear pit 100. As you said in one of your streams, every class is capable of completing all content in the game, including getting their glyphs to 100. To me, everything beyond that is just extra.
Interesting analysis as always MBB. The thing that struck me - was the SB doesn't impact other players comment - I have been finding recently that the game seems to lag if there are too many SB's in the same place doing the same thing - i.e. World Boss, Helltide Maiden. Once they are dead, the lag goes away. Curious if anyone else has seen this or if it's just a figment of my internet speed.....
I think most people who play spiritborn are already bored of it and the season and would not care if the spiritborn gets fixed. It is not a nerf to fix bugs. 1.1 cutting damage types in half was a nerf. Fixing a bug is just that fixing a bug and making you experience what the class was always supposed to be like.
Literally saw a wraparound overflow screenshot where sure enough they hit negative numbers. This is definitely not good for the long term health of the game. At the very least, the antivenin needs to be fixed.
That balance wasn't important to me. The nearly impossible to get runes, aspect rolls, and forever grind made me stop playing about a month ago.
You wan't them to hand it all to you on a plate do you? Aw, widdums. Maybe go try Diablo II and see how long it takes before you see a legit Ber rune drop in front of you. It's players like you that have ruined Diablo because believe it or not ... this iteration of Blizzard actually listen to and pander to you.
@@sc0zzers Way to wave your little peen around. Not everyone's a masochist with 1000's of hours to waste banging their head against the wall. Some of us will move on after only a couple hundred hours.
I want them to nerf spiritborn and I have one. You know why? Because if I am playing any other character, I physically cannot participate in any overworld activity with them around. They just evade around blowing up the entire screen and I run out of resource and cant find a living monster to attack to refill it. Its awful.
I think they should just make all the spiritborn play together, like Warzone does with cheaters.
The problem for me is either to do not properly test or they do not fix what they find. At the start of the season the elites in pit 101 and above did not even have affixes. So no one in testing ran a pit above 100 and saw this in testing?! There has been several things like this over the past year where I could not understand how in testing they even looked at something a single time. Coiling Fate Achievement was not obtainable until a recent patch which is just doing 3 simple quests for example. I can name several more examples of just obvious stuff. Of course they are not finding/fixing then non obvious stuff. I don't know if they know about it and just don't have the time/resources to fix things but whatever it is that is a huge, huge issue imo.
I recently discovered Xevi and LOVE that guy. I'm going to sub to you just for the epic reference.
It’s interesting because when it came to other builds, I hated it when they just nuerfed it to the ground midseason. However, for a spear born, maybe because it’s a whole entire class, I don’t mind them nerfing them at all.
It's already patched. Tried the elixir combo, doesn't work. So sure leave the spiritborn bugged but f*** the other classes that can benefit from this.
Its their new beloved baby child and the selling point for the add-on, of course they wont touch it.
I died laughing when I saw that life total initially... 900K is absurd
Love seeing you come in with the receipts
Definitely a big problem that needs an immediate fix
Life totals should (obviously) not go that high 🤣
And 2 stacks of perdition
Hey Macro, first, thanks for the video. I enjoy your content. Keep it up.
Counterpoint 1: Users who want to compete in unofficial leaderboards can do so by submitting evidence in their uncut videos that they are not using known exploits. This is as simple as displaying the character sheet along with all active buffs and HP. This method does not impact their ability to prove they are competing "fairly."
Counterpoint 2: Ease of access is a poor argument for why one bug should be fixed over another, and frankly, it is not even a fair point. Comparing Spiritborn’s bugs to this: Is it as easy as doing a quest? No. Would the potion bug worsen Spiritborn’s issues? Yes.
Here’s how I understood the crux of your argument comparing the two bugs: "Benefiting from Spiritborn requires a considerable investment, whereas this is just a side quest and needs to be fixed" (a paraphrase). My counterargument is that making an investment in a build is a normal expected behavior for any class, regardless of whether there is a bug. Imagine if the potion bug stayed-do you think players who wanted to exploit it for pushing content wouldn't also make efforts to optimize their builds to take advantage of the bug? They certainly would.
Conversely, because of the unintended interactions that plague the job, Spiritborn outperforms other classes even with a mediocre investment of time and effort. Players can and likely do use these bugs unintentionally, thinking it is just the design of the class, because the attributes that scale are not particularly hard to acquire. It is just as low effort and still trivializes the game to the same extent.
Should it be fixed? Personally, I couldn't care less at this point. I am tired of debating when a bug should or shouldn’t be fixed. I want the discussion to shift dramatically towards blaming and shaming Blizzard for their lack of quality control measures. There is no reason bugs should be introduced at such an astounding frequency and with such wild severity. Product quality needs to improve. Instead of making Blizzard promise, "Don't nerf my class! I put time into it!" I want the conversation to be, "Get it right the first time. If you can't do it within a four-month cadence, take more time."
Thanks again. Looking forward to your next video.
I agree with mostly leaving class balance alone midseason and strongly addressing at the start of a new season. If something required basically no time to do like using an elixir of holy bolt with a minion build on Duriel to kill him super fast, yeah, patch it ASAP.
I logged onto my eternal character from a few months back. It was a Barb that was fully masterworked, I probably spent a couple hundred hours playing that character. So I went on Eternal and saw he only had 475HP and my paragon board setup was gone. That's when I realized that clearly a lot has changed in the past 2-3 months that I need to try to figure out. Gonna start here
Idk how you figure a lot of this out, but as always, fantastic insight my dude.
To your question, Ive never cared about exploits in the game and people using them. I personally don't like to because it feels like I'm putting an asterisk on my character/build
Everyone will have their own opinion about the take devs are having for D4, but I think it is fair to say that this game can't be taken as a serious product anymore. It won't be about being excited for new content but rather being expectant for the next bug you will build around and pray that the bug is in favour of your class to enjoy that power. I've got the feeling that I have been charged full price for an early access game and they are good with it. I can not trust the tooltips in the game to build around what it says.
I think they should've nerfed the Spiritborn before mid-season, but since they didn't, mid-season was the best moment for it. It is not like people are unaware that the class is bugged, Macro. They are making builds around bugs! They know they will be ''fixed'' and that's why people was so nervious before the campfire: because they knew they had built they character over a bunch of things that were going to be reverted at some point. That doesn't feel like ''respecting player's time'', it feels like laziness and sticking to their agenda no matter how broken things are.
Exactly! ZERO creativity. Nothing but exploits. And people are proud of that. "Look at my next super bugged build" says every content creator for Diablo IV
Yup
They needed to nerf SP week one or not at all since 60% of the player base plays SP and they would be screeching like children for the next 2 months lol
I’ll be back in later season if some streamers leak the info that all S6 top management were retired early. (Which will never happen.)
Blizzard clearly has all the talent to fix bugs in due course, it’s just the top management (those non-gamers with genius mind for making the highest profit) decided what’s the best for gamers.
@@ZonyKay Nah, this is Fergusson and class director not being aware of what actually happens in the game. Class director (I forget his name, but it is the man sitting in the middle) didn't know about snapshots for DoK Rogue builds, he is completely disconnected from the game and Fergusson is so lost that he asked people on Twitter if they should do something about it (Spiritborn), despite having dedicated forums for this game and the game itself can have surveys, like the ones they roll asking if you are happy with the game at the end of each season...
The Heir of Perdition bug is even worse. The Mighty Throw Barb that cleared 150 yesterday (with Antivenin) had 20(!) stacks of it.
I'm of the opinion that SB and bugs in general should be addressed and fixed as soon as they appear in the game. At the beginning of the game, when they established that these bugs would not be addressed, that also was in part because of the lack of build diversity and gear we had in the game. Now that we have more uniques, more aspects and overall better balance than the first seasons, these bugs and exploits should be addressed in time and not wait until the next season.
Having said that, if they decided to fix bugs for the next season and they've made up their minds about it, then these 2 new bugs should also remain until the next season, because it would be hypocritical changing a bug that affects many classes and not change the bugs that affect only one class.
@@pablodrogo I think this is well said. Basically, it makes sense that the devs promised to us what they did back in season 2 with the "no nerfs mid-season" promise.
But the situation and the context of everything has massively changed and evolved since then, and I think the devs need to go back and look at that promise and potentially go back on it and change their approach again. And players will accept it (most of us will, anyway), as long as the devs communicate it to us clearly.
They should also communicate it before they ever take action. They should make a blog post to share with us that their thinking has evolved, and that in light of the game having way more builds that are possible now, they have to have a different approach on balancing. And then if they want to start nerfing things, then they can do that a week or two later. But give the players some time to digest the difference in approach that they might take.
Unfortunately though, I don't think these devs will do that 😑 they will do as they said, they will leave bugs and broken things un-fixed so that little crybaby children don't cry over nerfs. Sad state of affairs.
Was farming 150s pits in under 90 secs yesterday with the elixir ..... still took ages from 295 to 296 . Can't even imagine how long that must take without the bugs and xp elixirs ...
This potion bug was pretty great. Made me come back after weeks off, even if it was just for a couple of hours. I'll come back next season.
But Blizzard never said they were buffing the other classes to the level of current spiritborn, nor that everyone would be clearing Pit 150s. What they said was they were trying to buff the other classes to the levels of a bug-fixed Spiritborn. So current classes are roughly where SB should be in Season 7. It was reiterated many times in the stream. And the steam was only like 35 minutes, so it should have been clear to anyone with ears and about 3 pounds of wrinkled meat between them. People can discuss and think whatever about what Blizz SHOULD do, but you can't really argue about what they actually said.
A perfectly valid and informed opinion. Brave of you.
The point is not them not wanting to balance, it was unbalanced by design to coerce players into buying the DLC. It's an undercover pay-to-win mechanic no matter how you look at it. Does it work? Yes! Is it legal? Also Yes! Do people fall for that? Of course they do, I'm one of them
But what did you pay to win? Enjoying the game you were playing. The bugs were not intentional, this is the weirdest conspiracy that gets tossed around.
@@MacroBioBoi You can consider this a conspiracy but it makes a lot of sense to me. And I'm not complaining, this is the most fun season for me so far, I love it
@@MacroBioBoi Paid for the expansion. Even without bugs Spiritborn would be notably better than the rest, that was intentional. Bugs just made the scale of it way more drastic than they had planned
Honestly, way to stretch 2 minutes of content into 15.
D4 is a glorious mess that was fun for two to three weeks after launch. Anyone with an ounce of interest cleared pit 150, got all uber uniques and quit the game because there's no sense beating a dead horse.
Blizz did the usual thing and chose the path of least resistance - did nothing. Then, when they had a chance to do something about it, they put two more lead slugs in its head.
I don't envy d4 creators... You're trying to squeeze two drops of blood from a corpse and call it news.
Blizzard is walking a thin line right now. On the one hand, they probably want to fix these bugs, but on the other with PoE 2 around the corner, they don't want to push people away from their game and send them over to that game.
I think if its bugs it should be fixed, but I feel some people are just confusing it with 'nerfs' since alot of power of specific builds based on history and currently is from bugs, if they were fixed and worked as intended, I think some are fairly balanced. But those that negatively impact people experiences like Duping and exploits should be prioritized fixing.
The problem is you can't play without them because almost every build that should work without bugs has at least one bug in it. I'm kind of wondering if anything would even get past 110 without them.
Fixed an issue where the Elixir of Antivenin granted significantly more health than intended. This fix will go live a few hours after this client patch hits. It will be in a coinciding server hotfix.
I realy lost believs in blizz, they are realy unable to do their work properly, bugs everywhere, after year and half when game is out. Every change takes them ages, no inovation, just cash grab. When PoE2 is out, it will be damn hard to go back to this buggy mess.
Its sad, Im playing diablo(and blizz) games since I was child. D1 was like miracle when I first saw it. Now D4 is just shadow what this series should be.
Neat. Won't fix Spiritborn. Won't make other classes up to par. Guess I'll be back in season whenever I feel like it.
There seems to be different builds being worked on in-house by several teams, and they don't centrally control bug fixes. So successive released builds might have bugs fixed one time and then the fix disappears again...very frustrating as you always feel its one step forward and then one back again...
Your leaderboard point is interesting - I presume that they intend to develop more official leaderboards, and should this bug hide-and-seek continue then the same thing won't be able to be argued in the future - this will affect official leaderboards. They have to re-work how they operate internally with version control before they can roll them out. The D3 leaderboards were bad enough especially on console, but there are people running around in D4 currently with more than 12 masterworks per item...!!
Yup, that's the heart of it. WoW's having the same issues with hotfixes not being applied in subsequent patches. They are trying to go too fast by using multiple teams and not merging code properly.
I'm one of those who uses a Heir of Perdition and didn't even know about that bug. I've never even noticed the "2" in there. And yes, it needs to get fixed ASAP, just like the other bug, wich I didn't know about too.
Also, I agree that fixing the spiritborn bugs would be a bummer for those who accidentally got into using them, but, from what I see, it's like 90% of the Diablo IV playerbase gets their builds from searching online instead of creating their builds on their own, so, yeah, I won't feel bad if they happen to lose all that power. That said, the safest and most fair thing to do is what they decided to do, wich is try buffing all the other classes, although it won't be nearly as powerfull as the bugged version of spiritborn no matter what.
Diablo now can compete with wolcen in bug finalist.
unpopular opinion,
So I really respect what u did here, not only posting the bug AFTER it has been reported (not sure if intentional or just late to the party) but giving a full breakdown of the bug (this way if blizzard doesnt nerf it i can make my own build around this bug). I hate it when content creators jump on the first chance they get to shout on the rooftops about (imo) "fun" bugs. Alot of ppl seems to disagree, often saying we are trying to gatekeep by not letting others know about the bug. I disagree, this is the kind of situation whereby if u know, u know. Thats it. I have no delusion that its gonna get fixed but i rather have it happen later then sooner. Look at all the depressing comments below, everyone is trying to juice whatever fun is left and this potion essentially lets u make a build without having to worry about survivability which imo in turn enables so many other builds. This season is ALREADY broken, ppl are actively avoiding SB so they can experience the game the way it is intended and with the exception for a few meta non SB builds there are NONE that comes close to pit 100. Not gonna name drop but within a few hours of patch content creators are already posting about the bug with insane video titles, like why oust the bug. Let us have our fun first then post about it.
Because they idolize money and need to stroke the algorythm.
So... we got two stacks of Heir of Perdition and 900k life... hmmmmmm
I am not sure is a "bug"
its fun to b brok and hav fun happy holidays lol n ty macro for your video great content
@MacroBioBoi. I agree with your point. Of course the discussion will heat up because there are people who don’t accept the fact that some class may be even slightly stronger than the one we are playing. Now, I play all classes except for barbs and Druid. The SB was bugged from the start and should have been fixed in my opinion, as you would do with any software.
But there are players that in order to get instant gratification will refuse that approach because of the “time invested”. I’m conscious of the limits my builds have and I accept the fact that if I can’t clear pit 130, I’m fine with that. What I like is that I can keep improving my builds and be constant with my game. To all the people that talk about how bad the game or Blizzard is I can remind that no one forces us to play the game if we don’t like it. But bugs as such, needs to be fixed as quick as possible.
At some point, Blizzard needs to fix all of these bugs. Whether this season, or previous ones, there is always some bugged build that benefits more than the others. We deserve better coding and testing.
I want these bugs to fixed within the first 3 weeks of the game, and for blizzard to state what bugs there gonna fix
The straw that broke the camels back for me was no paladín no Mephisto fight (that shitty wolf don't count).
All inflated garbage. I hate Blizzard nowadays. D4 messed up so badly they dragged the D2R unit away to help try and salvage it.
It's a problem when they let some bugs stay (all where SB profit) and fix bugs that helps every class to reach SB-exclusive content, while SB even got the most out of it anyways, doesn't matter cause they already caped and just became faster. For my preference they should fix all bugs asap, but when they let SB bugs stay they should just let the potion stay as well and with season 7 there will be no more compromises for anyone.
Antivenin is not bugged for me on spiritborn, so maybe they just bugged it for all other classes so they can now compete with spriitborn bugs xD
I finally beat Uber Lilith with the antivenin bug today, so im happy
Me too 🤣
Mid season patch would have been the perfect time to fix the spiritborn bugs so that they could collect data on the actual balance of that class in order to get it right for s7. There is no way that from just one week of ptr data they will nail that.
Screw this game im nvr playing d4 again
I wish they reloaded a past season of barb, this treatment on spiritborn because it's a new character is wild. Stat squish that only made one class worth playing is a cash grab, They may as well start fixing bugs now if we expect another yearly expansion and the Paladin
I agree, they should have said we are going to fix the SB bugs on mid season patch or on a hotfix. Bascially they called season 6. It could have been the best season... for now that spot is still on season 4 for me.
Would like to Blizzard put out a statement and tell use when the Elixir will be changes so those can enjoy it while it lasts and not have FOMO of missing out on the experience to feel like your cosplaying as a spirit born in another class.
I use a quill volley sb and some gear isn't fully mw and with the antivenom I can do pit 115. My friend is a sorc and even with his max aspects and great frozen orb build cannot clear past 93
And those are just the bugs we’ve found SO FAR. I expect more 🎉
14:40 ... Did they not... Literally say... Buffing other classes... To where the SB will be nerfed next season? SB is coming down, just not this week. If the balance is as you stated, and they can lift other classes successfully, that means the S7 nerfs are going to be quite good.
Allegedly.
If I conveyed clearly.
ETA: 🗣️YOU MEAN TO TELL ME DRUIDS AND ROGUES ARE THE ONLY CLASSES THAT HAVE ADVANCED* SINCE THE PATCH!? 😬
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That's the best I got for the algorithm, go in peace 😅
I love clearing another pit tier and then showing that I did not use any of these bugs.
I think Blizzard shot themselves in the foot in S2 by essentially stating class-bugs will be allowed to remain for the duration of a season, unless performance is affected etc. I know back then they were coming off a "rough" launch and with S1 nerfs etc. and were trying to earn back some goodwill in the community but it's honestly a tricky situation now. It's really lose-lose for them no matter what they do but I think it has set a bad precedent when fixing other bugs, just like we see today, although I'm betting the people upset about the antivenin bug being fixed are a minority. Most people probably didn't even know about it. Still, I think Blizzard should revisit and reconsider their stance on not fixing/nerfing classes mid-season. But I also blame the whiny community for always crying at any nerfs or hotfixes and not understanding anything about game balance/development.
nothing wrong with it i can run non meta build and have a good time playing skill that no one uses it nice to have these issues now and then and have fun with them and i could give a fly bird on the ladder thing
Really hoped XeviMac was gonna say "and here's where it starts to get wicked" when he swapped to the spreadsheet.
Honestly such a missed opportunity
they literally just hot fixed it
edit: they fixed the "potion" bug
I doubt they are the "real" devs tho, they are just people having access to the engine to make content - same as the WoW devs
The Antivenin bug is fixed, tried it this morning and it just gave the 15% as intended
I wish bugs would be fixed, soon. And that the developers nerf overperforming builds for the sake of the long time life of the game. Stonks only seem to go up
So I made a really nice rouge alt that was getting p80. Suppose I just switched banished to my necro and run bloodsurge with antvenen.
So they didn't bug fix the Spiritborn because of angering the player base who invested time and effort in the builds. Ok, by why wait until MID Season? Bug fixing should've been done at the latest 2 weeks after VoH released, but I guess they wanted OP builds to help sell the xpac.
If you played the game since the start of the season you know that bug balancing was the least of the issues.
That being said they certainly could make in-game announcements about the bugs and tell people, but they haven't nerfed anything outside of server related lag builds in 5+ seasons. Stop pretending this is new to s6 or the expansion.
Agreed they nerfed barb day zero. Ghors grips and bold chieftains
I’d rather have bugs and unintentional interactions be fixed as soon as possible. That way we don’t get used to a broken build and then wonder why we feel like we got nerfed 3 months later.
Looks like they fixed that
They want to keep SB buzzing so people buy expansions but once S7 hits half of the players will probably never play it. Games do this all the time when its hero or class based the new one needs to be broken for the first while otherwise nobody will play the new stuff which defeats the point of it. In Diablos case SB was only one new element but its consuming the entire spotlight which isn't ideal. I personally levelled it to 60 and never touched it afterwards because I don't feel interested in something that requires bugs to be "fun"
I think Blizzard needs to learn how to fix a build without destroying it’s effectiveness in the game. That’s what was happening with past “fixes”. Reducing a build from godly to merely effective is ok. Reducing a godly build to sh*t is not.
Which is exactly what they did with lightning spear. Took an insanely fun and super high gear requirement build and made it litterally no longer function with all the nerfs they hit it with
Might as well fix the Spiritborn now.
Anyone who spent 100's of billions of gold perfecting their gear around the bugs has beaten pit 150.
They won't nerf a DLC character because they know that they will loose new players.
I want them to rip off the bandaid before season 7. There is a majority more players who dont watch campfire or follow d4 news who are going to be just as upset when spiritborn is turbo weaker in season 7. Better to do it now that less people are playing and give people time to learn before the launch of next season. I feel like nerfing a bunch of things at the launch of season 7 is going to just drive more players to PoE 2 over buying a battle pass for d4. Its like a $10 dollar difference for early access. Idk it just seems like a bad marketing move on blizzards end if they do that.
This is why they should have nerfed it day 1. The less people who experienced it, the less the consequences would have been. Blizzard acted as cowardly idiots, and they deserve all the backlash they will get for being cowards.
@@zeriel9148 They are doing it to sell more copies of the expansion. The backlash they are going to face when 62% of the player base gets their character nerfed is gonna be wild.
@@justaddsleep Right, but I consider that completely counter productive. I don't buy into the notion that people like being overpowered overall. Sure, when there is a COMPARISON it is "fun" for a little while, but if all you've ever known is being overpowered, it's just boring and makes a game feel pointless. It's usually people who go from normal to overpowered mode who notice such things, not casuals and new buyers.
Next season theme is "Vessel of Hatred Hatred". They got to fix their dev QA process before going to a new season. If there are new bugs they should fix them ASAP rather than have them infest the community and its expectations.
Spiritborn is basically what seraphine is to sona from league.
yikes. this game is a mess. before anyone thinks this is me "attacking the devs" I'm not. I am just stating, observationally, this game is a *mess*
This season has a LOT going on