My 7-14 was more or less redundant because I was not prepared to pay for a specialist mount. I will buy one of these as soon as possible. The 72mm filter size is the same as my 12-100mm and 100-400mm so three lenses cover all of the focal lengths I need. High ISO noise, hah, just Topaz it.
I have the 12-100 as well and it's crazy sharp. Can't wait to use that one as well as the new lens 8-25 with their newest camera, which will hopefully be the em1 mark4. 24 megapixel with increased dynamic range and one or two extra stops ISO. Does Topaz increase dynamic range? I have thought about buying it a couple times but I already have Adobe and not sure if I can justify getting more programmes
An excellent lens! I will order mine as soon as possible. I find it interesting that photography professionals, like Peter, have to repeatedly highlight the virtues of an f4 lens! Interestingly, most spectators and amateurs have no remark or restrictions regarding the use of non-constant aperture lenses (for example 3.5-5.6, etc.), but are concerned about f4 constant aperture lenses! Hard to understand! In addition to its compact size, an f4 lens is perfectly suited, and desirable, for Landscape, travel, real state, among others. I believe that people are realizing that you don't always need and want Bokeh! You don't always need a fast lens! In many situations the portability, usability, durability of a lens, aimed at photographs that need large areas in focus, are the virtues and the necessary characteristics! These generalized hypes are incredibly damaging to the diversity of the photographic world. Many youtubers and influencers want to generalize and reduce the world of photography to Bokeh and fast lenses!!
Agree fully, except for one thing: ALL lenses have "bokeh"! The only thing that differs is how the bokeh looks! Bokeh is not the same as "short Depth Of Field", it´s how the unsharp part of an image is looking, "how the blur looks", simply put. Different lenses do render the out of focus areas in different ways, not related to the aperture value itself, since lenses do render the un focused areas different even when the aperture value and focal length are the same.
@@matsneander4595 “All lenses have Bokeh” - But not every picture (Landscape photography needs everything in focus)! And the “Bokeh Hype” makes many people believe, that Bokeh is always desirable!
@@TITAOSTEIN You are talking about the "short depth of field is next to mandatory"-hype, a hype which I most certainly agree is there. Though: Every image, possibly except for those with "full depth of field", "those shot at the smallest aperture openings, like 16, 22 or so", have some kind of bokeh. What you referred to as bokeh hype is simply "short depth of field hype". I think we in essence do think the same, but use different wording. Thanks for replying!
Regarding depth of field. I have tried many times to take street shots at f1.8 with my 45mm and in the end only portraits really look amazing at f1.8. f4-f7.1 is what is needed for that which is f8-f14 in fullframe terms (correct me if i am wrong). The result will be better
I was planning to get the 7-14 Pro, but this is a no brainer, I will clearly wait for this one to be available 😊. Thanks for your quick review, as always, great job.
Finally!!!! Olympus Pro weather-sealing, manual focus clutch, L-Fn button, constant aperture and Pro optics.. Time to sell my Leica-Panny 8-18mm. This fits perfectly into a a Pro Zoom Trilogy, an in my case would be this lens, 12-40mm 2.8 Pro and the 40-150mm f/2.8 Pro. I'm in - I've been looking forward to this!!
I have been pondering the 8-18 for quite a while now. I do prefer the ability to put a regular filter on the lens, so the 7-14 has been a hard sell. All the way to 25? Probably a bit redundant for eh overlap to my 12-40. F4 constant? Not the most desirable, but certainly livable for the tradeoffs involved. Pro feature set, yes please. Funny thing that was unclear and concerning to me, Panasonic does not say the 8-18 seals to "MFT mounts"...implication that it might not seal on an Olympus, or not as well as to their own brand. I know that is a very paranoid interpretation, as all MFT mounts should be fully interchangeable. But it is one factor that has kept me on the fence. This could easily be the side I fall on.
I have been waiting for this one as a partner to the 12-100 and the 45mm F1.2. Now that DXO Pure Raw does such a good gob raising the ISO a little doesn't matter so much, so F4 is not really a concern at these versatile focal lengths. Wide angle to standard focal lengths in a relatively light high quality weather sealed pro lens, a compelling reason to stay with MFT.
Thank you for this review. This is such a compelling lens for me, and I'm going to have to think hard about whether I get it, given I already have the excellent 7-14
Thanks Peter! It's good lens for mounting hiking. First, when you on trail it's often impossible to change point of view and changing focal length is the only way to frame the image and create composition. Second, when in mountains you always have mountains as a background and if you want to photograph some interesting artefact such as stone, freaky tree typical on the ridge, old dead tree or lying dry trunk on wide angle one can include both the whole subject and background mountain view in the image. The third argument: in film times the zoom lenses had poor performance that's why photographs had to keep 16-20 mm prime lenses. Nowadays super wide angle primes from 24 mm and shorter does not make much sense to own. It's more reasonable to have one zoom lenses for wide angle photography.
Thanks for the review :) was looking forward to see it :) Please allow me to ask you honest opinion. I think I know your answer but what do you think about Robin being left out from the promo as an ambassador? You two guys and Jimmy were the base and source of m43 for me, its a bit shocking for me he was left alone on this one. Thank you as always
I am a nature photographer and plan to use this lens for landscapes. I want the capability of using a polarizer and ND filter together. I will test the lens with 2 filters attached and see which filter size will not vignette with the lens at 8mm. I will use a step-up ring with these filters. I agree with your comment about trying to use BIG filters with the Olympus 7-14 - very difficult to shoot with and need a large bag to carry those big filters. The 8-25mm lens is shipping in early July in the U.S.
I rarely use the L-FN button on my 12-40mm pro. I’d like to see some OMD effort at fresh, pancake style lenses for a less expensive, smaller EP-7 travel kit. Or wait for the new Tough-7? It’s great to see sunny shots of your locale! Thx! 🙏
Hi Peter! Thanks for the review. It seems to be a good addition to the olympus lens lineup. I personally don't like the retraction mechanism, it's one more step before having your camera ready to shoot. The 14-42 kit lens has the same mechanism (+button) and used to be the reason I have missed some good shots. The Lfn button is always welcomed.
Fast lenses make any beginner photographer feel good about their new hobby. But, it's a constant f4 zoom lens that could help anyone develop into a much better photographer composing better images.
Thank you for your review Peter. I have been waiting from this lens and will probably pre-order. Not worried about the 'retracting' feature as the 9-18 does that and it's really not an issue.
Great review as always. A size (and weight) comparison with the F2.8 Pro would be really useful, I know specs can be looked up but it's never the same as seeing them side by side in a vid 😊
Thanks a lot Peter. When Olympus announced the 8-25mm last summer, I knew I was going to buy this lens (order made). I expected the same quality as the other Pro lenses, but the main reason is the huge range for a wide-angle zoom. Fortunately, you can also screw filters on, it is relatively not heavy and the price is not too bad for me. I will mainly be using the lens for street photography in geometry and landscape.
This looks like the best EDC lens ever. Countless occasions, I've come across sunsets or random landscape/urban scenes I want to shoot, but all I have is a phone. Keen on getting the 8-25 + maybe a used EM1-2 as an EDC.
Perfect range for me, that's why I also like the Panasonic 10-25 f1.7. The Panasonic is just very bulky but super, super sharp. If I would get into the system now, I would likely get this new 8-25.
I bought an used M1 II together with the 50-150f2.8 and the panasonic 25f1.7. I was looking for a while now at 24-70 and 14-24 or 16-35 equivalents, til I stumbled upon this lens. Im buying into olympus from my old pentax k-5 especially because I need something small to package on long weekend trips via train and/or bicycle to tour around europa. So this lens seems perfect. I won't be that much out in the dark, and if I do, I don't think the f4 will worry me that much. I will perhaps add a prime around 70-135mm equiv. when I find some details that a 50 is too wide for.
Hi Peter. It’s nice to see OMDS coming out with new gear. I just watched your EP7 video. I have the 12-45 F4 which also has great close up capabilities. I love the 12-45 it’s my go too landscape lens. I hope OMDS comes out with an F4 long zoom 45 and up soon. I’d buy the long zoom first then in time me this one.
Thanks for the review Peter. This new lens from OMDS looks excellent and is a great option for landscapes where lens changing can be risky e.g. wet weather and seascapes. I will probably stick with my 12, 17 and 25mm Zuiko primes as the f1.8 - f2.0 max apertures provide the best balance between size, cost and image quality.
Well, I am a hobby-photographer and I own the Pen-F and I am really happy with this small camera. I like also wide angle in some situations but I'll wait and see. My widest lens has 12mm and I don't need more most of the time to be honest. But it is a very good lens for the mft-community and for OMDS.
I am interested in getting this to replace the olympus 9-18 lens I have. The 9-18 is a very nice lens but not weather sealed so not a complete solution. Thanks Olympus for bringing this lens out, we will have a complete lens system soon. Who said micro four thirds is dying? It looks like a great lens for travelling with and also general use.
Love my 9-18. It's small size was the reason I went Olympus P5 instead of Fuji E2 back years ago. On my second one after I fell down and broke my first one. Still angry that they did not, or have not, updated it to the R II design. Love this new lens. But. There's no way this lens replaces the 9-18. The 9-18 and the 14-42 are so lightweight they are perfect for me for everyday carry.
Hi Peter, thank you for this review. This lens makes a lot of sense. Years ago I owned the 7-14 and sold it. Being able to use the same polarizer is wonderful news, particularly because I recently purchased the 100-400 M Zuiko. I do plan to get this lens when I can.
Thanks for the review, Peter. I've been waiting for this lens. I was hoping it would be slightly smaller, but from what I can tell, it's almost identical to my 12-40, so that's acceptable. I seldom us my 7-14 as it's quite bulky and heavy hand a more limited range. I'll most likely get the 8-25 and it will replace my 7-14 and 9-18, at least for travel.
You BET I use the L-Fn button!!! For focusing setting it up for peaking OR magnify is SUCH a cool thing!!! My old eyes aren't what they used to be so this is a very welcome feature! I will admit I am considering buying this instead of the 7-14 after seeing your review on it.... it covers such a wide range... wow OMDS, good job!!!! The only thing I would want is for it to be a f-2.8 but we can't have everything....
@@ForsgardPeter I'm a little disappointed with the price. It really should be under a grand for an F4 lens. But I'm really surprised by the price of the E-P7. £750! I was expecting around £550
I wasn't really much interested in this lens, f4 pro sounds to me a little bit mediocre specs. But after i remembered that to put the 15-35 f2.8 on my R system I have to pay more than twice the price for a lens twice the weight and 30% larger, at USD$1099 preorder this is a no-brainer.
I note what you say regarding Robin Wong. I agree. I would urge all who find Robin's content as valuable as Peter's and other Olly Ambassadors to write to OMDS to urge them to re-instate Robin. As for this lens - a no-brainer in terms of focal length range. I have the 9-16mm but will get the 8-25mm whenever pensioner-level funds allow. That might take long wait, until 2nd hand examples start to appear on sale or substantial discounts likewise.
I bought the Olympus 8-25 and love it…I haven’t tried the 7-14 so I can’t compare. But it is very sharp on par if not a bit better than my Olympus 12-40
Peter, I do want to buy this lens. One of my favorite MFT lens is the Lumix 7-14 f4. I know the Olympus 7-14 is far superior, but it's more expensive too. Having the 8-25mm focal length is the perfect travel lens for me.
I guess I should have waited and not purchased the 8mm f1.8 fisheye...if I didn't have that, I would definitely consider this one. However, I will probably keep it and get a 12-40 f2.8 (which I still have not purchased). I think most of my pictures would fall in the 12-40mm range. An occasional interior (churches, museums, etc.) and star photography will be the main use of the 8mm. I do like the f1.8 aperture on that...and would like the f2.8 for street and night photography. That are my thoughts for now. But I am so glad to see these new "Olympus" products!
Great first impression video of the 8-25/4.0 lens. I got one on pre-order. It will basically replace my 7-14/2.8 lens. My 7-14/2.8 lens usually stays home unless I know I will use it. This is because of its bulk, needing special filter holder (more bulk) and how easy it flare. The 8-25/4.0 looks to be a lens that will stay on the camera unless I need something else. I see it more for my nature-landscape walk about lens. I usually have the digital focus limiter assigned to the lens function button. I can really see a 25-150/f4.0 Pro lens to pair up with the 8-25/4.0 lens. For astro-landscape I will use the 8/1.8 lens or it will be the special case for packing the 7-14/2.8. I really wish for something like a 10/1.4 for astro-landscapes. It is great to see that OMDS is releasing products. As for the E-P7 it is a cute camera. I really believe the Pen F was originally going to be names E-P6 but was changed to Pen F later in its development stage.
I just sold my 7-14 pro & 12-40 pro (I was made an offer for both lenses that I had a hard time refusing) and am ordering the 8-25 pro. With my 40-150 pro, 100-400 f5-6.3 and my 17 f1.8, 25 f1.7 Lumix, 45 f1.8 & 60 f2.8 macro I feel I will have enough coverage as well as reducing the weight of my kit a bit. I am really looking forward to the new lens.
When I bought my filter set I checked the Olympus lens list and saw that the biggest filter thread on the lenses Id like to get over time was 72mm. I bought a set of 72mm filters, and individual step up rings for the different lens filter threads I have. I didnt like the step up ring kits where you stack many step up rings. I have 5 rings that jump from X to 72mm, works well
I wish this lens would come out way earlier. 15, 28, and 50 (for 35mm equivalent) is my all-time favorite focal length and this lens seems to deliver it all (15 and 16 are quite a big difference but it's still in the ultra-wide category). Unfortunately, I've already abandoned most of my m43 system.
Don’t think I would trade my 7-14 for it but having options is a good thing. I haven’t had good luck with sharpness with F4 lens from Olympus in the past. The 7-14 is extremely sharp.
Very interesting focal length! Pretty useful for a lot of shoots ! Love the lens pro design. Zuiko is always something special when we talk about Quality (with Q on caps lock)
I’ve only used the LFn button once, Peter, other than testing it. Mostly I forget its there. The focus clutch is almost a necessity with me now that I’m used to it. I won’t be buying this lens as I already have the ultra-wide range covered. Good video. Thanks.
I have had the 7-14 mm for a while but find it seriously compromised because it can't take filters without a ludicrously bulky adaptor. The 8-25 shares the same caliber as my my other work-a-day day lenses, and accepts all the 72 mm filters, which fit it perfectly into my work flow. Definitely on my shopping list. The loss of one stop shutter speed is neither here nor there.
I was waiting for this lens. 99% of all time when I have my camera (Pen-F) on me, I don't carry an additional lens. So I pick a lens for the environment I'm heading to. The 8-25 will be my hiking and landscape lens. The 12-45 mm is the default lens on my camera and is used for family gatherings, parties, portraits or when I'm taking pictures in cities. Additionally I use the 60mm for macros and scanning, and the 100-400mm when I'm off to a zoo or planning for wildlife or sports photography. I have the 45 1.2 for available light photography, but I'm planning to replace this with a 17mm lens, since most times when I'm in available light situations it's in-house and 45mm is to long for this. I'm not decided yet, if I'll get the 1.2 or the 1.8, but I'm tending towards the 1.8 because of its size and weight. I also have a 45 1.8, which I use for evening-events with stages, when I've sold the 1.2 lens.
Hi Peter. Interesting and very versatile lens. Since I already have the Panasonic 8 - 18mm lens with f2.8 to f4, I probably will not be buying this lens as I already have the range covered. You asked about the use of the Fn button on a lens. Well since the Olympus 150-400mm pro lens does not have a manual focus clutch I have assigned the Fn button next to the focus ring to MF with peaking and magnification. This gives a quick switch from the C-AF + MF. Interestingly if a back button focus is used there is an extremely useful option. Set the lens Fn button to MF and engage accordingly giving a MF with peaking and magnification. If you then press the back button focus button you get AF. Extremely useful !! This enables me to zoom in on say a bird with my finger on the back button giving immediate AF on the bird. Releasing my finger from the back button focus then reverts to the MF with peaking and magnification and fine tuning on the bird is then possible for a pin sharp image. I am not aware that any other camera manufactures have this feature ?? Just got to get my head round pressing the right button at the right time especially when the camera is set to ProL capture and you still have to press the shutter button half way to get the pre shutter images. Nice video clip as always 😊😊
I never minded the unlocking of the 9-18 mm lens. That I will keep because it’s so tiny and still good. Only for landscape I got the Laowa 10 mm. The new Olympus lens has a strong competitor which is the Lumix 7-14 mm - a very good and reasonable Compact lens.
My 9-18 was fairly old when I sold it and I became very really worried about the reliability of the locking mechanism. I stored it uncollapsed. The extra length was very insignificant.
Originally, I expected this lens is a much smaller lens than the old 7-14mm, maybe just more or less like the concept of the 12-45mm. That would really be great for outdoor use. But the consideration now is, its direct competitor is the Pana 8-18mm which has a weight 100g less. To compensate, the Oly brings 7mm more on the tele instead of 1mm less on the wide. Other than these, two lenses have the rest functionally the same. Although Pana's is faster on the wide with f/2.8, it doesn't much useful in landscape where f/5.6 to 11 are normally used most of the times. Only in stars taking, this f/2.8 might have some advantages. At this point, it seems that Pana's is more useful in landscapes and for those who hikes a lot and need a lighter weight. Oly's new lens might be better for street and city-scapes where sometimes a longer tele side would be handy.
Great review Peter, thanks. The elephant in the room is the Panasonic 10-25 f1.7. Sure, the Lumix costs a lot more, and is bigger and heavier, but it is a lot faster. Perhaps a comparison review?
Hi Peter. Nice review. Looks like a solid option for anyone in need of a versatile lens. Im not buying this lens (yet) since Im very happy with my 7-14mm 2,8. For travel or needing a very light camera plus lens I will still grab my very light and sharp 25mm 1,4 lumix lens.
oh boy, I am tempted too and it makes it even harder to choose between the 12-45 and the 8-25... my current lenses are mainly primes 12mm f2, 17mm f1.8 and 42.5 f1.7
I have two uses for L-Fn: 1. Digital teleconverter. 2. MF. If I use the button for MF I can still use backbutton focus in MF mode, if I use the clutch I cannot.
I like the F4s, I think it makes better sense than the F2.8s for m4/3. I have the 12-40mm & 40-150mm f2.8 already but if I didn't I'd get the F4s. I have a Pany 25mm f1.4 for speed/bokeh. F2.8 doesn't really cut it on m4/3. If I start using my 9-18mm more then I'll get this as optically it will be sharper...
I own the 12-100 version so I love the design and quality of this lens which seems very similar to this lens. 23cm focal distance on this lense is pretty cool. Good price and value, damn i’m selling it to myself!!
I like trekking and I have a omd5ii for this activity. I prefer panaleica 8-18 f2.8-4 because It's ligther (315g), 67mm the diameter filter and f2.8 at 12mm.
I just got my beloved 7-14 mm. Gosh I want this one too but it might be overkill. Or maybe just get it for doing video like you said. Great review as always!
Winner for people who don't shoot at dark scenes! It's another viable option for "I only bring one lens" people alongside 12-100. I shoot in the dark maybe 5% of the time, so I'll stick with 8-18mm.
The same here! But if I would buy my first lens right now, I would choose the new 8-25mm f4 and not the 7-14mm f2.8. The range is fantastic and I could use “regular” ND filters.
Tough call for me. I may end up with your setup but I don't have m43 lens yet so bought the 8-25mm as my first. I had Panasonic 7-14 years ago and loved it. I guess also you could think of a one lens outing vs two lens adventure and have all 3.
I feel that I am pretty well covered. Having both the 7-14 and the 12-40. But this new lens has some positives, the more compact size, that you don't need an extra filter mount device..
Great Review, Peter! I have the 12-100mm which ios also a 72mm filter thread so when i saw this one is similar I was pleasantly suprised. One of my first lenses was the 9-18mm whihc turned out to be quite poor compared to the pro lenses. I often use my 12-100 even if I need much wider than 12mm due to lack of weather sealing and the poor quality of the 9-18. This 8-25mm seems like the PERFECT focal length and is by far the most interesting lens Oly has to offer in my humble opinion. The reasons i didn't get the 7-14: too heavy, too expensive, no filter, focal length 7mm is great but 14mm isn't far enough. The only thing I dislike is the fact I cannot really use this lens for night photography. If I one day get to the Nordic part of Europe I might need to get a cheap manual focus ultra wide for that? Not sure? Ah yes, and I would use this lens for interior work like museums as well as photo stacking nature images of forest scenes at 8mm. Honestly can't wait to get this lens
I would definitely consider trading my 7-14 f2.8 for this one. More zoom and only lose a couple of mils on the wide end. Taking regular filters is a HUGE plus. I don't think I need both.
I can see be getting one of those lenses. The extra range over the 7-14 plus the big selling point for me is that filters can be attached. Always a worry when using the 7-14, all that exposed glass. Having to put the lens cap back on after every shot is a bit of a pain.
Thanks, and nice to see you during sunshine : -) It will replace my 12-40mm/2.8 for travels. Hadn't an UWA until know, so looking forward to it. And, as I always travel with my 2 E-M1ii bodies, there are several options, as using the 40-150mm/2.8. and one of the small F1.8 prime lenses. The L-Fn I started for AF-limiter, after your interview with Espen. Works fine.
Would you not miss the 12-40 f2.8 for travel in low light situations and bokeh? I was actually thinking of getting the 12-40 f2.8 lens for travel to replace my 12-50 EZ. I use the Panasonic 7-14 f4 for UWA as it's so small and lightweight.
@@electronicfury yeah, the 12-40mm/2.8 is definitely a fantastic lens, I'll keep forever. But the range wasn't enough while travelling. So I'll combine this new UWA zoom with 40-150mm/2.8 and probably the small 17mm/1.8. Portraits with bokeh can be done with the tele zoom set at 40mm/2.8
Hi Peter, great review, both in content and presentation! The lens really sounds most interesting - high quality and versatile. However I think I have the whole focal range I need very well covered with the Olympus 12-100 , combined with the Leica Panasonic 8-18mm, and I doubt I will replace the latter....
This looks like another great lens for the mf3 lineup. However, I have the 12-100 f4 PRO which is a perfect travel lens for my needs. For anything wider, I could toss my 8mm f1.8 into the bag. As far as the so-called f4 limitations for nighttime -- with DxO PureRAW or Topaz DeNoise AI, noise is no longer a problem in most cases.
I pre-ordered the 8-25mm today and will receive it the 8th of July, here in Paris ! Why ? I was waiting for it for months now, as soon as it was on the Olympus lens roadmap, because, given it's focal range, it was clear it should be the unique lens to take with you on hiking for landscape photography or for a tourist tour downtown. I have the 12-100mm but it is a little too bulky and in fact I do not use so much the long end of this lens. In fact, I bought some time ago the Laowa 7.5 because sometimes shooting very wide is very cool, , especially on hiking (but still staying rectilinear because fisheye is a little too much, the Samyang 7.5mm was nice until the Laowa exists). Also, I often prefer more environmental portraiture at 25mm or even 17mm than classical one at 45mm. In that case you do not want to blur too much the background. And if you want to take a portrait with two or more people, 25mm or less is just right. So the 8-25mm is, for me, more versatile than a 12-40mm, 12-45mm or even 12-100mm. As I also have 45mm (Pana f1.7) and 75mm (the so nice Olympus gem) primes, I am really considering selling, surely the 7.5mm, and probably the 12-100mm. But I will keep my 12mm for video (you need to be wide enough, the 12mm prime is lighter if you hold the camera and F4 at 12mm does not allow to blur enough the background for vlogging for example) and also the 17mm F1.2 for it's low light and shallow depth of field capability (and it's so special, like the 75mm f1.8). I'm just a little concerned about the size of the 8-25mm : it will be fine with the E-M1 series, but perhaps a little too big with my PEN-F, although I have a plate with a grip.
Doubt I will buy it… my 12-40 f2.8 is working well for me (and I can borrow a 7-14 if I want). But I am happy OMDS have released a new lens and camera…. Shows commitment to the Olympus brand!
I bought the 12-45/4 when it came out in the winter of 2020 -- picked it up ca. March 25, 2020 -- during the start of the pandemic. The 8-25/4 looks nice. However, I have rarely felt the need for a wider angle than 12 mm, and there is too much overlap in range between the 12-45 and the 8-25 -- so I doubt I'll get the new one. Also, the 12-45 is markedly smaller and lighter. I'd guess realtors/people taking pictures of the interior of houses could use a wide angle. But for that use, perhaps an f2.8 is better?
Hard to say. For me f2.8 zooms lenses are not great for anything today ... well, maybe for video. For something like landscape or city I use f5.6 to f8 and IBIS can handle longer exposure so I prefer longer zoom range to aperture. When I want to play with depth of field, I use prime lenses. Same with social events (when they exist). Otherwise combination of IBIS and IS makes zoom lenses viable even in low light, especially with wide angle lenses.
Fascinating. I love the range of this lens. And love the overlap. I could imagine having the 8 to 25 and the 12 to 45 with me and not having to change them out as often. No way I'm going to pay for it and carry the 12 to 100 though.
I wonder if I should get the 7-14 Pro or this lens. I like the size, weight, and focal range of the 8-25 Pro. I already have the LUMIX 8-18 though and I can’t see that I’d gain a lot by switching to either one.
Great video, as always. But seeing the new, and rather large and heavy by comparison, 8-25 mm lens makes me want the 9-18mm even more! Smaller, lighter, cheaper, and I'll bet I'd notice no difference in image quality!
I'm still hoping that the hobby conventions will get some speed this year. B/c I'm still hoping to get my hands on a good used 9-18mm. But this could be changing if the price tag won't get too high for this one. It is considered a PRO lens, so I expect it to be above the 500,-€ mark. Edit: Found the price tag for the german online shop. 999,-€ For 1'199,-€ you could get the 7-14mm f2.8 PRO. *hrm*
Purchased the 12-45 Pro and have the 9-18 - when I saw the 8-25 on the road map thought it would possibly replace my 9-18 but although it looks like an excellent lens not sure now whether I will buy it as compared to the 9-18 it's relatively heavy and large and would require me to purchase new filters (currently 58mm is max I need). The 9-18 is still in the lens line up (Peter you commented that you thought it was discontinued) and I hope it stays so as it is a marvel of small and light (and relatively inexpensive) wide angle. Difficult decisions...
Yes I did say that 9-18mm was discontinued, but I was wrong. It is still in the line-up. 8-25mm f4 is bigger than the 9-18mm lens. I have tested the 9-18mm a few times and it is a very good lens.
I wish panasonic or olympus give us a 10-25mm in the form factor os the pana 12-32mm. That paired with a rangefinder style camera is the perfect size for travel. I could be 4-5.6. For travel, convenience is key. This 8-25 and that 10-25 1.7 make no sense for travel or casual shooting. Both are too big and too heavy to balance well on small bodies - the reason I went to m43 is size and weight. If I have to carry a larger camera to make them confortable, then I would keep on lugging a 6D with the 17-40mm: better image quality.
Why is no one making the obvious comparisons here? The 8-25 Oly vs the 10-25 Panny. For me the f1.7 is most important factor, and others will prefer the smaller size and width of the f4. But so far we are not seeing side by side image comparisons and that is what I really want to see.
Maybe no one has access to both of these lenses. I will get my 8-25mm f4 next week, but I do not have the 10-25mm f1.7 lens from Panasonic. I will ask them if it is possible to get.
I currently have the Olympus OMD E-M5 Mark III which is waterproof. I currently own the 14-150mm f4.0 Zuiko lens which is my go to lens. I am considering getting the 8-25mm f4.0 pro. Thought this would give me a little more field of view, waterproof to accompany my camera, modest macro capabilities, however no upgrade in speed. In your opinion, do you think the extras I would get from this lens is worth it or it would be too much of a duplication of what I currently own? Thanks for your input and great video on this lens!
The focal length range is very appealing, so I've been awaiting more detail. However, based on the specifications only, I'm disappointed that it's not lighter or cheaper (more like 12-45mm). I don't think I could justify it for my usage.
@@ForsgardPeter Compared to 12-45 f4 it is 150% of the price (£600 vs £900) & 160% of the weight (254g vs 411g). Half again in both cases. My expectations may not have been fair, but nevertheless I expected more similarity with the 12-45mm & appeal would have been much higher had they achieved that, or somewhat closer to it.
How does this compare to the 7-14mm f2.8 lens? 👉 ua-cam.com/video/apM8aTgKXsI/v-deo.html
My 7-14 was more or less redundant because I was not prepared to pay for a specialist mount. I will buy one of these as soon as possible. The 72mm filter size is the same as my 12-100mm and 100-400mm so three lenses cover all of the focal lengths I need. High ISO noise, hah, just Topaz it.
I have the 12-100 as well and it's crazy sharp. Can't wait to use that one as well as the new lens 8-25 with their newest camera, which will hopefully be the em1 mark4. 24 megapixel with increased dynamic range and one or two extra stops ISO.
Does Topaz increase dynamic range? I have thought about buying it a couple times but I already have Adobe and not sure if I can justify getting more programmes
This looks like a real winner. These kind of lenses set Olympus out from the crowd.
An excellent lens! I will order mine as soon as possible. I find it interesting that photography professionals, like Peter, have to repeatedly highlight the virtues of an f4 lens! Interestingly, most spectators and amateurs have no remark or restrictions regarding the use of non-constant aperture lenses (for example 3.5-5.6, etc.), but are concerned about f4 constant aperture lenses! Hard to understand! In addition to its compact size, an f4 lens is perfectly suited, and desirable, for Landscape, travel, real state, among others. I believe that people are realizing that you don't always need and want Bokeh! You don't always need a fast lens! In many situations the portability, usability, durability of a lens, aimed at photographs that need large areas in focus, are the virtues and the necessary characteristics! These generalized hypes are incredibly damaging to the diversity of the photographic world. Many youtubers and influencers want to generalize and reduce the world of photography to Bokeh and fast lenses!!
Agree fully, except for one thing:
ALL lenses have "bokeh"!
The only thing that differs is how the bokeh looks! Bokeh is not the same as "short Depth Of Field", it´s how the unsharp part of an image is looking, "how the blur looks", simply put. Different lenses do render the out of focus areas in different ways, not related to the aperture value itself, since lenses do render the un focused areas different even when the aperture value and focal length are the same.
@@matsneander4595 “All lenses have Bokeh” - But not every picture (Landscape photography needs everything in focus)! And the “Bokeh Hype” makes many people believe, that Bokeh is always desirable!
@@TITAOSTEIN You are talking about the "short depth of field is next to mandatory"-hype, a hype which I most certainly agree is there.
Though: Every image, possibly except for those with "full depth of field", "those shot at the smallest aperture openings, like 16, 22 or so", have some kind of bokeh. What you referred to as bokeh hype is simply "short depth of field hype".
I think we in essence do think the same, but use different wording.
Thanks for replying!
Regarding depth of field. I have tried many times to take street shots at f1.8 with my 45mm and in the end only portraits really look amazing at f1.8. f4-f7.1 is what is needed for that which is f8-f14 in fullframe terms (correct me if i am wrong). The result will be better
Ok, but for me is important for video.. f4 is not very well. Ok for photography only
Great review as always. For me, this is perfect. It covers 99.9% of my photography needs. Finally, the one lens to rule them all!
Glad it was helpful!
I was planning to get the 7-14 Pro, but this is a no brainer, I will clearly wait for this one to be available 😊. Thanks for your quick review, as always, great job.
Happy to help!
In answer to your question Peter, I use L-Fn button for focussing, particularly when using rear screen as viewfinder and camera is close to ground.
Yes Peter, I do, I use the Lfn button for the ND filters in the camerabody and it is very useful in my experience.😊
I use the -Fn button to switch focus patterns (single, 5x5, etc.)
Finally!!!! Olympus Pro weather-sealing, manual focus clutch, L-Fn button, constant aperture and Pro optics.. Time to sell my Leica-Panny 8-18mm. This fits perfectly into a a Pro Zoom Trilogy, an in my case would be this lens, 12-40mm 2.8 Pro and the 40-150mm f/2.8 Pro. I'm in - I've been looking forward to this!!
I have been pondering the 8-18 for quite a while now. I do prefer the ability to put a regular filter on the lens, so the 7-14 has been a hard sell. All the way to 25? Probably a bit redundant for eh overlap to my 12-40. F4 constant? Not the most desirable, but certainly livable for the tradeoffs involved. Pro feature set, yes please. Funny thing that was unclear and concerning to me, Panasonic does not say the 8-18 seals to "MFT mounts"...implication that it might not seal on an Olympus, or not as well as to their own brand. I know that is a very paranoid interpretation, as all MFT mounts should be fully interchangeable. But it is one factor that has kept me on the fence. This could easily be the side I fall on.
I have been waiting for this one as a partner to the 12-100 and the 45mm F1.2. Now that DXO Pure Raw does such a good gob raising the ISO a little doesn't matter so much, so F4 is not really a concern at these versatile focal lengths. Wide angle to standard focal lengths in a relatively light high quality weather sealed pro lens, a compelling reason to stay with MFT.
OMG!! Perfect for my Storm Photography. Well done OMD. You just made my day Peter. Thank you for the review.
Great to hear!
Thank you for this review. This is such a compelling lens for me, and I'm going to have to think hard about whether I get it, given I already have the excellent 7-14
Me too. I have the 7-14mm f2.8 and getting this might be too much. On the other hand I might get this for video work. It is easier with ND filters.
Thanks Peter! It's good lens for mounting hiking. First, when you on trail it's often impossible to change point of view and changing focal length is the only way to frame the image and create composition. Second, when in mountains you always have mountains as a background and if you want to photograph some interesting artefact such as stone, freaky tree typical on the ridge, old dead tree or lying dry trunk on wide angle one can include both the whole subject and background mountain view in the image. The third argument: in film times the zoom lenses had poor performance that's why photographs had to keep 16-20 mm prime lenses. Nowadays super wide angle primes from 24 mm and shorter does not make much sense to own. It's more reasonable to have one zoom lenses for wide angle photography.
Very good points!
Thanks for the review :) was looking forward to see it :)
Please allow me to ask you honest opinion. I think I know your answer but what do you think about Robin being left out from the promo as an ambassador? You two guys and Jimmy were the base and source of m43 for me, its a bit shocking for me he was left alone on this one.
Thank you as always
Honestly I do not know why. I think it is a very bad decission from OMDS.
Thank you for the comparison between the 7-14,You answered my question that Olympus UK couldn't be bothered to.
Glad I could help.
Yeah first review for this lens
I am a nature photographer and plan to use this lens for landscapes. I want the capability of using a polarizer and ND filter together. I will test the lens with 2 filters attached and see which filter size will not vignette with the lens at 8mm. I will use a step-up ring with these filters. I agree with your comment about trying to use BIG filters with the Olympus 7-14 - very difficult to shoot with and need a large bag to carry those big filters. The 8-25mm lens is shipping in early July in the U.S.
I rarely use the L-FN button on my 12-40mm pro. I’d like to see some OMD effort at fresh, pancake style lenses for a less expensive, smaller EP-7 travel kit. Or wait for the new Tough-7? It’s great to see sunny shots of your locale! Thx! 🙏
Great review Peter! It is such a cool little lens right! I thoroughly enjoyed shooting with it. Using it for portraits really surprised me!
Hi Peter! Thanks for the review.
It seems to be a good addition to the olympus lens lineup. I personally don't like the retraction mechanism, it's one more step before having your camera ready to shoot. The 14-42 kit lens has the same mechanism (+button) and used to be the reason I have missed some good shots. The Lfn button is always welcomed.
With this lens, no button needed to unlock, so it can be made with one hand and very quickly. No problem for me
Fast lenses make any beginner photographer feel good about their new hobby. But, it's a constant f4 zoom lens that could help anyone develop into a much better photographer composing better images.
Thank you for your review Peter. I have been waiting from this lens and will probably pre-order. Not worried about the 'retracting' feature as the 9-18 does that and it's really not an issue.
Great review as always. A size (and weight) comparison with the F2.8 Pro would be really useful, I know specs can be looked up but it's never the same as seeing them side by side in a vid 😊
Thanks a lot Peter.
When Olympus announced the 8-25mm last summer, I knew I was going to buy this lens (order made). I expected the same quality as the other Pro lenses, but the main reason is the huge range for a wide-angle zoom. Fortunately, you can also screw filters on, it is relatively not heavy and the price is not too bad for me.
I will mainly be using the lens for street photography in geometry and landscape.
This looks like the best EDC lens ever. Countless occasions, I've come across sunsets or random landscape/urban scenes I want to shoot, but all I have is a phone.
Keen on getting the 8-25 + maybe a used EM1-2 as an EDC.
I think I will choose this over the 7-14mm. I like the focal length, there is minimal difference with the focal length. Thanks Peter.
7-14mm F2.8 is a good choice.
Perfect range for me, that's why I also like the Panasonic 10-25 f1.7. The Panasonic is just very bulky but super, super sharp. If I would get into the system now, I would likely get this new 8-25.
I bought an used M1 II together with the 50-150f2.8 and the panasonic 25f1.7. I was looking for a while now at 24-70 and 14-24 or 16-35 equivalents, til I stumbled upon this lens. Im buying into olympus from my old pentax k-5 especially because I need something small to package on long weekend trips via train and/or bicycle to tour around europa. So this lens seems perfect. I won't be that much out in the dark, and if I do, I don't think the f4 will worry me that much. I will perhaps add a prime around 70-135mm equiv. when I find some details that a 50 is too wide for.
Hi Peter. It’s nice to see OMDS coming out with new gear. I just watched your EP7 video. I have the 12-45 F4 which also has great close up capabilities. I love the 12-45 it’s my go too landscape lens. I hope OMDS comes out with an F4 long zoom 45 and up soon. I’d buy the long zoom first then in time me this one.
This was not developed by OMDS.
Thanks for the review Peter. This new lens from OMDS looks excellent and is a great option for landscapes where lens changing can be risky e.g. wet weather and seascapes. I will probably stick with my 12, 17 and 25mm Zuiko primes as the f1.8 - f2.0 max apertures provide the best balance between size, cost and image quality.
Well, I am a hobby-photographer and I own the Pen-F and I am really happy with this small camera. I like also wide angle in some situations but I'll wait and see. My widest lens has 12mm and I don't need more most of the time to be honest. But it is a very good lens for the mft-community and for OMDS.
I am interested in getting this to replace the olympus 9-18 lens I have. The 9-18 is a very nice lens but not weather sealed so not a complete solution. Thanks Olympus for bringing this lens out, we will have a complete lens system soon. Who said micro four thirds is dying?
It looks like a great lens for travelling with and also general use.
MFT is far from dying.
Love my 9-18. It's small size was the reason I went Olympus P5 instead of Fuji E2 back years ago. On my second one after I fell down and broke my first one. Still angry that they did not, or have not, updated it to the R II design. Love this new lens. But. There's no way this lens replaces the 9-18. The 9-18 and the 14-42 are so lightweight they are perfect for me for everyday carry.
Hi Peter, thank you for this review. This lens makes a lot of sense. Years ago I owned the 7-14 and sold it. Being able to use the same polarizer is wonderful news, particularly because I recently purchased the 100-400 M Zuiko. I do plan to get this lens when I can.
is there vignetting when a pola filter is used?
This is on top of my list of future buys. I've been wanting this lens since it was rumoured and now that we know how it performs... I want it ASAP!
Thanks for the review, Peter. I've been waiting for this lens. I was hoping it would be slightly smaller, but from what I can tell, it's almost identical to my 12-40, so that's acceptable. I seldom us my 7-14 as it's quite bulky and heavy hand a more limited range. I'll most likely get the 8-25 and it will replace my 7-14 and 9-18, at least for travel.
You BET I use the L-Fn button!!! For focusing setting it up for peaking OR magnify is SUCH a cool thing!!! My old eyes aren't what they used to be so this is a very welcome feature! I will admit I am considering buying this instead of the 7-14 after seeing your review on it.... it covers such a wide range... wow OMDS, good job!!!! The only thing I would want is for it to be a f-2.8 but we can't have everything....
Thanks for a good review Peter. Another great lens for micro four thirds.
Yes it is a great lens! Thanks.
@@ForsgardPeter I'm a little disappointed with the price. It really should be under a grand for an F4 lens. But I'm really surprised by the price of the E-P7. £750! I was expecting around £550
I use the FN button for focus peaking. You pull the MF clutch and then my thumb just glides to the FN button.
I wasn't really much interested in this lens, f4 pro sounds to me a little bit mediocre specs. But after i remembered that to put the 15-35 f2.8 on my R system I have to pay more than twice the price for a lens twice the weight and 30% larger, at USD$1099 preorder this is a no-brainer.
I note what you say regarding Robin Wong. I agree. I would urge all who find Robin's content as valuable as Peter's and other Olly Ambassadors to write to OMDS to urge them to re-instate Robin.
As for this lens - a no-brainer in terms of focal length range. I have the 9-16mm but will get the 8-25mm whenever pensioner-level funds allow. That might take long wait, until 2nd hand examples start to appear on sale or substantial discounts likewise.
I bought the Olympus 8-25 and love it…I haven’t tried the 7-14 so I can’t compare. But it is very sharp on par if not a bit better than my Olympus 12-40
Peter, I do want to buy this lens. One of my favorite MFT lens is the Lumix 7-14 f4. I know the Olympus 7-14 is far superior, but it's more expensive too. Having the 8-25mm focal length is the perfect travel lens for me.
I guess I should have waited and not purchased the 8mm f1.8 fisheye...if I didn't have that, I would definitely consider this one. However, I will probably keep it and get a 12-40 f2.8 (which I still have not purchased). I think most of my pictures would fall in the 12-40mm range. An occasional interior (churches, museums, etc.) and star photography will be the main use of the 8mm. I do like the f1.8 aperture on that...and would like the f2.8 for street and night photography. That are my thoughts for now. But I am so glad to see these new "Olympus" products!
12-40mm f2.8 is a great all around lens.
Great first impression video of the 8-25/4.0 lens. I got one on pre-order. It will basically replace my 7-14/2.8 lens. My 7-14/2.8 lens usually stays home unless I know I will use it. This is because of its bulk, needing special filter holder (more bulk) and how easy it flare. The 8-25/4.0 looks to be a lens that will stay on the camera unless I need something else. I see it more for my nature-landscape walk about lens.
I usually have the digital focus limiter assigned to the lens function button.
I can really see a 25-150/f4.0 Pro lens to pair up with the 8-25/4.0 lens.
For astro-landscape I will use the 8/1.8 lens or it will be the special case for packing the 7-14/2.8. I really wish for something like a 10/1.4 for astro-landscapes.
It is great to see that OMDS is releasing products.
As for the E-P7 it is a cute camera. I really believe the Pen F was originally going to be names E-P6 but was changed to Pen F later in its development stage.
I just sold my 7-14 pro & 12-40 pro (I was made an offer for both lenses that I had a hard time refusing) and am ordering the 8-25 pro. With my 40-150 pro, 100-400 f5-6.3 and my 17 f1.8, 25 f1.7 Lumix, 45 f1.8 & 60 f2.8 macro I feel I will have enough coverage as well as reducing the weight of my kit a bit. I am really looking forward to the new lens.
When I bought my filter set I checked the Olympus lens list and saw that the biggest filter thread on the lenses Id like to get over time was 72mm. I bought a set of 72mm filters, and individual step up rings for the different lens filter threads I have. I didnt like the step up ring kits where you stack many step up rings. I have 5 rings that jump from X to 72mm, works well
No vignetting at 72mm?
I wish this lens would come out way earlier. 15, 28, and 50 (for 35mm equivalent) is my all-time favorite focal length and this lens seems to deliver it all (15 and 16 are quite a big difference but it's still in the ultra-wide category). Unfortunately, I've already abandoned most of my m43 system.
Don’t think I would trade my 7-14 for it but having options is a good thing. I haven’t had good luck with sharpness with F4 lens from Olympus in the past. The 7-14 is extremely sharp.
In his comparison the 8-25 is sharper in corners.
Very interesting focal length! Pretty useful for a lot of shoots ! Love the lens pro design. Zuiko is always something special when we talk about Quality (with Q on caps lock)
I will definitely get one. it will fullfil my gear.
I’ve only used the LFn button once, Peter, other than testing it. Mostly I forget its there. The focus clutch is almost a necessity with me now that I’m used to it. I won’t be buying this lens as I already have the ultra-wide range covered. Good video. Thanks.
Love my Laowa 7.5mm lens, thou I wish for auto focus sometimes and some extra reach would be nice too!
Laowa 7.5 f2.0 is a great lens. On a wide-angle the MF is not that bad.
This lens represent hope for the M43 system 😎
This is every realestate photographers dream come true lens.
It is quite good for that.
I have had the 7-14 mm for a while but find it seriously compromised because it can't take filters without a ludicrously bulky adaptor. The 8-25 shares the same caliber as my my other work-a-day day lenses, and accepts all the 72 mm filters, which fit it perfectly into my work flow. Definitely on my shopping list. The loss of one stop shutter speed is neither here nor there.
I was waiting for this lens. 99% of all time when I have my camera (Pen-F) on me, I don't carry an additional lens. So I pick a lens for the environment I'm heading to. The 8-25 will be my hiking and landscape lens. The 12-45 mm is the default lens on my camera and is used for family gatherings, parties, portraits or when I'm taking pictures in cities. Additionally I use the 60mm for macros and scanning, and the 100-400mm when I'm off to a zoo or planning for wildlife or sports photography. I have the 45 1.2 for available light photography, but I'm planning to replace this with a 17mm lens, since most times when I'm in available light situations it's in-house and 45mm is to long for this. I'm not decided yet, if I'll get the 1.2 or the 1.8, but I'm tending towards the 1.8 because of its size and weight. I also have a 45 1.8, which I use for evening-events with stages, when I've sold the 1.2 lens.
Thanks for sharing.
Hi Peter. Interesting and very versatile lens. Since I already have the Panasonic 8 - 18mm lens with f2.8 to f4, I probably will not be buying this lens as I already have the range covered. You asked about the use of the Fn button on a lens. Well since the Olympus 150-400mm pro lens does not have a manual focus clutch I have assigned the Fn button next to the focus ring to MF with peaking and magnification. This gives a quick switch from the C-AF + MF. Interestingly if a back button focus is used there is an extremely useful option. Set the lens Fn button to MF and engage accordingly giving a MF with peaking and magnification. If you then press the back button focus button you get AF. Extremely useful !! This enables me to zoom in on say a bird with my finger on the back button giving immediate AF on the bird. Releasing my finger from the back button focus then reverts to the MF with peaking and magnification and fine tuning on the bird is then possible for a pin sharp image. I am not aware that any other camera manufactures have this feature ?? Just got to get my head round pressing the right button at the right time especially when the camera is set to ProL capture and you still have to press the shutter button half way to get the pre shutter images. Nice video clip as always 😊😊
Thanks and thanks for sharing your method.
I never minded the unlocking of the 9-18 mm lens. That I will keep because it’s so tiny and still good. Only for landscape I got the Laowa 10 mm. The new Olympus lens has a strong competitor which is the Lumix 7-14 mm - a very good and reasonable Compact lens.
My 9-18 was fairly old when I sold it and I became very really worried about the reliability of the locking mechanism. I stored it uncollapsed. The extra length was very insignificant.
Originally, I expected this lens is a much smaller lens than the old 7-14mm, maybe just more or less like the concept of the 12-45mm. That would really be great for outdoor use. But the consideration now is, its direct competitor is the Pana 8-18mm which has a weight 100g less. To compensate, the Oly brings 7mm more on the tele instead of 1mm less on the wide. Other than these, two lenses have the rest functionally the same. Although Pana's is faster on the wide with f/2.8, it doesn't much useful in landscape where f/5.6 to 11 are normally used most of the times. Only in stars taking, this f/2.8 might have some advantages. At this point, it seems that Pana's is more useful in landscapes and for those who hikes a lot and need a lighter weight. Oly's new lens might be better for street and city-scapes where sometimes a longer tele side would be handy.
Great review Peter, thanks. The elephant in the room is the Panasonic 10-25 f1.7. Sure, the Lumix costs a lot more, and is bigger and heavier, but it is a lot faster. Perhaps a comparison review?
That comparison would be interesting. I might do that when I get my 8-25mm f4 and if I can get the Pana lens for testing.
Hi Peter. Nice review. Looks like a solid option for anyone in need of a versatile lens. Im not buying this lens (yet) since Im very happy with my 7-14mm 2,8. For travel or needing a very light camera plus lens I will still grab my very light and sharp 25mm 1,4 lumix lens.
oh boy, I am tempted too and it makes it even harder to choose between the 12-45 and the 8-25...
my current lenses are mainly primes 12mm f2, 17mm f1.8 and 42.5 f1.7
What do you need more, wide-angle or a short telephoto lens? That should decide if you are considering a new lens.
I have two uses for L-Fn: 1. Digital teleconverter. 2. MF. If I use the button for MF I can still use backbutton focus in MF mode, if I use the clutch I cannot.
I like the F4s, I think it makes better sense than the F2.8s for m4/3. I have the 12-40mm & 40-150mm f2.8 already but if I didn't I'd get the F4s. I have a Pany 25mm f1.4 for speed/bokeh. F2.8 doesn't really cut it on m4/3. If I start using my 9-18mm more then I'll get this as optically it will be sharper...
I own the 12-100 version so I love the design and quality of this lens which seems very similar to this lens. 23cm focal distance on this lense is pretty cool. Good price and value, damn i’m selling it to myself!!
8mm and 23cm can give you some nice photos. Ultra wide angle close ups looks cool.
I like trekking and I have a omd5ii for this activity. I prefer panaleica 8-18 f2.8-4 because It's ligther (315g), 67mm the diameter filter and f2.8 at 12mm.
I just got my beloved 7-14 mm. Gosh I want this one too but it might be overkill. Or maybe just get it for doing video like you said. Great review as always!
Winner for people who don't shoot at dark scenes! It's another viable option for "I only bring one lens" people alongside 12-100. I shoot in the dark maybe 5% of the time, so I'll stick with 8-18mm.
I really don’t see myself purchasing it, I got the 7-14/2,8 and also the 12-100/4… it would be redundant.
If you have both of those then it might too much. It overlaps your current lenses.
The same here! But if I would buy my first lens right now, I would choose the new 8-25mm f4 and not the 7-14mm f2.8. The range is fantastic and I could use “regular” ND filters.
Tough call for me. I may end up with your setup but I don't have m43 lens yet so bought the 8-25mm as my first. I had Panasonic 7-14 years ago and loved it. I guess also you could think of a one lens outing vs two lens adventure and have all 3.
I use the L-Fn button as an alternative back-button focusing button on my 12-100mm Pro lens
I feel that I am pretty well covered. Having both the 7-14 and the 12-40. But this new lens has some positives, the more compact size, that you don't need an extra filter mount device..
Yes the ability to use filters will be one big thing. That is one reason I pre-order this lens yesterday.
Thank you. Wonderful video. Wonderful location for your Outdoor narrative video clips.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Great Review, Peter!
I have the 12-100mm which ios also a 72mm filter thread so when i saw this one is similar I was pleasantly suprised. One of my first lenses was the 9-18mm whihc turned out to be quite poor compared to the pro lenses. I often use my 12-100 even if I need much wider than 12mm due to lack of weather sealing and the poor quality of the 9-18. This 8-25mm seems like the PERFECT focal length and is by far the most interesting lens Oly has to offer in my humble opinion.
The reasons i didn't get the 7-14: too heavy, too expensive, no filter, focal length 7mm is great but 14mm isn't far enough.
The only thing I dislike is the fact I cannot really use this lens for night photography.
If I one day get to the Nordic part of Europe I might need to get a cheap manual focus ultra wide for that? Not sure?
Ah yes, and I would use this lens for interior work like museums as well as photo stacking nature images of forest scenes at 8mm. Honestly can't wait to get this lens
For night photography a fast wide-angle is a good idea.
I would definitely consider trading my 7-14 f2.8 for this one. More zoom and only lose a couple of mils on the wide end. Taking regular filters is a HUGE plus. I don't think I need both.
I can see be getting one of those lenses. The extra range over the 7-14 plus the big selling point for me is that filters can be attached. Always a worry when using the 7-14, all that exposed glass. Having to put the lens cap back on after every shot is a bit of a pain.
I agree that the front element is quite bulky on the 7-14mm f2.8 lens. Accident is about to happen.
I'm not going to change my 7-14 f2.8 Pro for this lens but if I didn't have the 7-14, then I might choose it instead.
Nice. I am quite happy with my 12-100 and probably won't get this one. I use L-Fn for occasional "Digital 2x zoom".
Was hoping for an update to the Olympus premium lens line. I would love for an updated version of the 14-42mm
Thanks, and nice to see you during sunshine : -)
It will replace my 12-40mm/2.8 for travels. Hadn't an UWA until know, so looking forward to it.
And, as I always travel with my 2 E-M1ii bodies, there are several options, as using the 40-150mm/2.8. and one of the small F1.8 prime lenses.
The L-Fn I started for AF-limiter, after your interview with Espen.
Works fine.
AF Limiter assigned to L-Fn is a good idea.
Would you not miss the 12-40 f2.8 for travel in low light situations and bokeh? I was actually thinking of getting the 12-40 f2.8 lens for travel to replace my 12-50 EZ. I use the Panasonic 7-14 f4 for UWA as it's so small and lightweight.
@@electronicfury yeah, the 12-40mm/2.8 is definitely a fantastic lens, I'll keep forever. But the range wasn't enough while travelling. So I'll combine this new UWA zoom with 40-150mm/2.8 and probably the small 17mm/1.8.
Portraits with bokeh can be done with the tele zoom set at 40mm/2.8
@@joerghummerjohann4854 Yes my 17mm f1.8 goes everywhere with me as it's so small, great lens.
I had my 14-42 kit failed and never got anything wider than 12mm, so it is interesting for me as both wide view + kit replacement.
Hi Peter, great review, both in content and presentation! The lens really sounds most interesting - high quality and versatile. However I think I have the whole focal range I need very well covered with the Olympus 12-100 , combined with the Leica Panasonic 8-18mm, and I doubt I will replace the latter....
Many thanks!
I have used the l-fn button for focus peaking and more recently for af-limit per suggestion by Espen Hellend.
Espen Helland makes some great content.
This looks like another great lens for the mf3 lineup. However, I have the 12-100 f4 PRO which is a perfect travel lens for my needs. For anything wider, I could toss my 8mm f1.8 into the bag. As far as the so-called f4 limitations for nighttime -- with DxO PureRAW or Topaz DeNoise AI, noise is no longer a problem in most cases.
Noise reduction software, especially Topaz and DxO, makes high ISO more usable.
I pre-ordered the 8-25mm today and will receive it the 8th of July, here in Paris ! Why ? I was waiting for it for months now, as soon as it was on the Olympus lens roadmap, because, given it's focal range, it was clear it should be the unique lens to take with you on hiking for landscape photography or for a tourist tour downtown. I have the 12-100mm but it is a little too bulky and in fact I do not use so much the long end of this lens. In fact, I bought some time ago the Laowa 7.5 because sometimes shooting very wide is very cool, , especially on hiking (but still staying rectilinear because fisheye is a little too much, the Samyang 7.5mm was nice until the Laowa exists). Also, I often prefer more environmental portraiture at 25mm or even 17mm than classical one at 45mm. In that case you do not want to blur too much the background. And if you want to take a portrait with two or more people, 25mm or less is just right. So the 8-25mm is, for me, more versatile than a 12-40mm, 12-45mm or even 12-100mm. As I also have 45mm (Pana f1.7) and 75mm (the so nice Olympus gem) primes, I am really considering selling, surely the 7.5mm, and probably the 12-100mm. But I will keep my 12mm for video (you need to be wide enough, the 12mm prime is lighter if you hold the camera and F4 at 12mm does not allow to blur enough the background for vlogging for example) and also the 17mm F1.2 for it's low light and shallow depth of field capability (and it's so special, like the 75mm f1.8). I'm just a little concerned about the size of the 8-25mm : it will be fine with the E-M1 series, but perhaps a little too big with my PEN-F, although I have a plate with a grip.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I also pre-ordered it. Deliveries start on the 8th of July here in Europe.
As wildlife photographer changing from Nikon, and have longer focal length lenses, I am looking for something just like this.
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Doubt I will buy it… my 12-40 f2.8 is working well for me (and I can borrow a 7-14 if I want). But I am happy OMDS have released a new lens and camera…. Shows commitment to the Olympus brand!
Yes I think it is very good that they came out with the 8-25mm and a new camera.
I bought the 12-45/4 when it came out in the winter of 2020 -- picked it up ca. March 25, 2020 -- during the start of the pandemic. The 8-25/4 looks nice. However, I have rarely felt the need for a wider angle than 12 mm, and there is too much overlap in range between the 12-45 and the 8-25 -- so I doubt I'll get the new one. Also, the 12-45 is markedly smaller and lighter.
I'd guess realtors/people taking pictures of the interior of houses could use a wide angle. But for that use, perhaps an f2.8 is better?
It does not really matter in real estate photography what the fastest aperture is. Usually a tripod is used anyways.
Hard to say. For me f2.8 zooms lenses are not great for anything today ... well, maybe for video. For something like landscape or city I use f5.6 to f8 and IBIS can handle longer exposure so I prefer longer zoom range to aperture. When I want to play with depth of field, I use prime lenses. Same with social events (when they exist). Otherwise combination of IBIS and IS makes zoom lenses viable even in low light, especially with wide angle lenses.
Fascinating. I love the range of this lens. And love the overlap. I could imagine having the 8 to 25 and the 12 to 45 with me and not having to change them out as often. No way I'm going to pay for it and carry the 12 to 100 though.
I wonder if I should get the 7-14 Pro or this lens. I like the size, weight, and focal range of the 8-25 Pro.
I already have the LUMIX 8-18 though and I can’t see that I’d gain a lot by switching to either one.
It is hard to say. The Panasonic 8-18mm lens is good I have heard. Have not tested it myself.
Great video, as always. But seeing the new, and rather large and heavy by comparison, 8-25 mm lens makes me want the 9-18mm even more! Smaller, lighter, cheaper, and I'll bet I'd notice no difference in image quality!
The 9-18mm is still a great choice.
I'm still hoping that the hobby conventions will get some speed this year. B/c I'm still hoping to get my hands on a good used 9-18mm. But this could be changing if the price tag won't get too high for this one. It is considered a PRO lens, so I expect it to be above the 500,-€ mark.
Edit: Found the price tag for the german online shop. 999,-€ For 1'199,-€ you could get the 7-14mm f2.8 PRO. *hrm*
Yes the price tag is 999,-. I think it is quite resonable.
I just to have an Olympus camera but for now just lenses, but has anyone tested this with a Panasonic (G9) perhaps? Any limitations? Great feedback?
Have not tested the lens with G9. Should be ok.
Looks intriguing. Would be interesting to see a comparison video with some other zoom wide-angle zoom lenses.
I will make those when I get hold of these lenses. I have already shipped this back to OMDS North.
@@ForsgardPeter sounds good
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Purchased the 12-45 Pro and have the 9-18 - when I saw the 8-25 on the road map thought it would possibly replace my 9-18 but although it looks like an excellent lens not sure now whether I will buy it as compared to the 9-18 it's relatively heavy and large and would require me to purchase new filters (currently 58mm is max I need). The 9-18 is still in the lens line up (Peter you commented that you thought it was discontinued) and I hope it stays so as it is a marvel of small and light (and relatively inexpensive) wide angle. Difficult decisions...
Yes I did say that 9-18mm was discontinued, but I was wrong. It is still in the line-up. 8-25mm f4 is bigger than the 9-18mm lens. I have tested the 9-18mm a few times and it is a very good lens.
I wish panasonic or olympus give us a 10-25mm in the form factor os the pana 12-32mm. That paired with a rangefinder style camera is the perfect size for travel. I could be 4-5.6. For travel, convenience is key. This 8-25 and that 10-25 1.7 make no sense for travel or casual shooting. Both are too big and too heavy to balance well on small bodies - the reason I went to m43 is size and weight. If I have to carry a larger camera to make them confortable, then I would keep on lugging a 6D with the 17-40mm: better image quality.
Why is no one making the obvious comparisons here? The 8-25 Oly vs the 10-25 Panny. For me the f1.7 is most important factor, and others will prefer the smaller size and width of the f4. But so far we are not seeing side by side image comparisons and that is what I really want to see.
Maybe no one has access to both of these lenses. I will get my 8-25mm f4 next week, but I do not have the 10-25mm f1.7 lens from Panasonic. I will ask them if it is possible to get.
@@ForsgardPeter That would be fabulous if you can. You would be first to do it as far as I am aware.
I currently have the Olympus OMD E-M5 Mark III which is waterproof. I currently own the 14-150mm f4.0 Zuiko lens which is my go to lens. I am considering getting the 8-25mm f4.0 pro. Thought this would give me a little more field of view, waterproof to accompany my camera, modest macro capabilities, however no upgrade in speed. In your opinion, do you think the extras I would get from this lens is worth it or it would be too much of a duplication of what I currently own? Thanks for your input and great video on this lens!
This lens will give a much wider field of view if you need it. I have that lens and I love it.
I'm saving for a used 7-14 f2.8 in addition to my current 12-40 f2.8. I guess this 8-25 won't make me change my mind.
7-14mm f2.8 is still a very good lens. It is also one stop faster than the 8-25mm f4.
I also want the 7-14. for the 25mm range i use fast primes
The focal length range is very appealing, so I've been awaiting more detail. However, based on the specifications only, I'm disappointed that it's not lighter or cheaper (more like 12-45mm). I don't think I could justify it for my usage.
I think the price is quite ok. Of course, it is a lot money, but not that bad for what it is.
@@ForsgardPeter Compared to 12-45 f4 it is 150% of the price (£600 vs £900) & 160% of the weight (254g vs 411g). Half again in both cases. My expectations may not have been fair, but nevertheless I expected more similarity with the 12-45mm & appeal would have been much higher had they achieved that, or somewhat closer to it.