Zuko actor is so good. I dead ass shed tears when the 41st Division welcome him home as the music plays, having each soldier taking their time saluting one by one. Zuko, who was overwhelmed with anger just moments earlier, sparked up hope once again, but this time for a different reason. MAN THIS SHOW IS GOOD!
Y'all wrong. Destruction and conquering is not part of the culture. That's why citizens from the Fire Nation tried taking the Fire Lord out. And it was mentioned in the original animated series in the episode with the Sun Warriors.
26:34 It wasn't always part of their culture. Fire Nation originally had music, dancing and singing as a huge part of their culture. The only person in the Fire Nation still upholding those traditions is Iroh when he sings and plays music on the boat sometimes. Sozin began the whole Fire Must Conquer, Fire is Destruction! kinda mindset within the Fire Nation. Watching the cast interviews confirm that they intended for Ozai to be a bit more human, yes he does care a little bit for his children and wants to raise them well (as tools for war). He's not just favoring Azula like the cartoon.
Just like when Aang went to a fire nation school, the band was much more 'uniform'. The pre to early war fire nation culture was still like feudal to meiji restoration era Japan, while by the time Ozai took the throne, the nation had radicalised to ww2 Japan level, regarding the other nations as inferior and such.
@@Memelord1117 Exactly. ATLA is inspired by real events (colonization of Asia by Japan). Fire Nation is based on Imperial Japan. Earth Kingdom is China. Air Nomads are Tibetan monks. And Water Tribes are Inuit.
We get Zuko before the war council. Dallas did a good job at playing a younger version full of light and joy. I think Lt Jee was the dude that Zuko almost had an agni kai with in the episode the storm. We dont get Zuko dipping out after being chained up at the fire temple. And also we dont have Sokka and Katara here. Roku seems like a joyful grandpa here. He seems even more relaxed here. Roku was the first Avatar to overshadow Aang. He actually talks to him in the show way before Kyoshi
@@Kidapollo92 yeah. the person who suggested the plan to sacrifice fire nation soldiers in the cartoon is who Zuko thought he would have to fight in an Agni Kai. It wasn't until he was standing there and his father revealed himself as his opponent that Zuko surrendered and wouldn't fight back.
@@xyrots No I think they're referring to a different moment in the present. There's Zuko vs his father (by surprise), then there's Commander Zhao, then there's him almost fighting one of his own crewmates who was starting to have bad faith in Zuko who acted as though he didn't care about his crew. It's in the episode The Storm where we learn both Aang and Zuko's backstory. Aang tells Katara and Iroh tells Zuko's backstory to the crew. Later they both end up in a storm and Zuko not only prioritizes his crew's safety but even lets the Avatar get away for that moment. Jee is an interpretation of that.
Nah you guy teasing our Dallas so much 😂 That guy who plays Zuko was the real fire, like for real. He's acting so good, and his performances was a chef kiss 😙👌
If anyone is wondering why the Fire Lord is acting in such a way, just remember, this live action version is showing asian representation in the story. Asian fathers who seek to gain positions of power always are like this. Responsibility, duty, and honor is above all. They will seek to use "tough" love on their kids and trust me when I say this...THE FIRST BORN SON...is the one that gets the worst of it all because they want to ensure that son is not a failure.
My bro on the right a real one 😂😂😂 like I get all that culture shit but nah it’s still fk Ozai for doing that to Zuko lol he clearly was wrong, he sent his son out there to purge him of weakness and a whole time he learned what real strength is, unity, kindness and peace. Fk that Fire nation culture lol him and Aang changed that shit
Exactly Pat was trying to cut him slack because he got teary eyed. He could have made his point without scaring him for life. The fire nation already fear him he didn't have to go that far to even their loyalty. Just say you like this Ozai better but stop with the making excuses.
Seriously. I've seen so many reactions that cut Ozai slack for displaying a trace of human emotion. But that's why two dimensional portrayals of abusers (like Ozai in the animated show) can be harmful. Because in real life, abusers DO have human emotions. And that doesn't render their actions any less harmful or abusive. Ozai is a human being with feelings, who is also manipulative , megalomaniacal, abusive bastard who plunders, pillages, and murders without remorse, and who tortured, abused, and permanently disfigured his 13 year old child for the crime of not being a sociopath. His ability to emote and act out his own twisted version of love does not mitigate any of this, not in the slightest.
5:00 y’all damn clowns 😂 I cackled at this like 5 times had to run it back over and over the timing was perfect! But to be real, eps 4, 5 & 6 are my personal favorites of the season.
Now that was a heated discussion with a lot of valid points at the end and I appreciate the difference of opinions followed by the explanation of reasons that led up to those opinions. Anyone can be loud, but I dig those moments of keen observation combined with the show’s breadcrumbs that support the logic of the resulting feeling. Good stuff.
I believe the "in the juice" mindset of Ozai is not a huge change. In the comic "the Search" Ozai kind of starts to talk about how he originally felt about Zuko and how he found his compassion a weakness. His feelings soured after he thought Ikem was the real father but was prevented from harming Zuko by Ursa. It fits with this live-action. In this episode, Ozai burnt Zuko but not enough to lose his eye only a permanent reminder. He is a master firebender could have done worse with no repercussions. The royal medic is allowed to work a miracle poultice to heal it. Ozai comes into the room to reason with Zuko in private. Zuko told Ozai that the 41st should have been given a chance. So Ozai then removes the 41st from their suicide march to work for Zuko in his banishment. He didn't have to only scar him, talk to him, or listen to his opinion. He cast him out to grow the heck up before he gets himself messed up in court politics, and allow Zuko to prove his conviction about the 41st being worth anything, to me.
Me too. It was podcast discussion worthy and it's good to see Rob make a valid point. I remember first watching Rob's bad takes but he's gotten a lot more articulate since.
Ozai’s only sees his family as tools. Ozai usurped his older brother for the throne. He perverted his family for power. Ozai is only looking out for himself.
Great discussion at the end, can see where both sides are coming from but have to say all the brutality and hostility is not fire nation culture, you see this in the later seasons as well. Thats just how Ozai is and by extension his family/supporters and military. People can't question how he treats his family because thats damn near a death sentence. If he's willing to sacrifice innocent people for his cause what do you think he'd do to people questioning his ethics? Fire nation people burning their children out of tough love definitely isn't normal in that world, it's just how Ozai is choosing to strengthen those around him and maintain an image like Rob and Pat were saying. You gotta keep in mind the kind of people that raised Iroh and Ozai and consider how that contributed to how they grew up. Iroh was fortunate enough to realize what they learned and what they were doing was fucked up. Ozai embraced the fuckery and chose to pass it on to his children and legacy.
1 of the few things I can say the Netflix series did better than the original Nickelodeon series was expanding upon Ozai & Iroh's relationship as brothers. In the original series they never are on screen together, but here there are multiple times they interact with each other, which adds more to their backstories & character developments. Also, having the 41st Division be Zuko's crew was a nice detail that I'm glad they included.
Pat you were trying to cut Ozai some slack just because he teared up! Regardless of his reason no one focused a gun to his head he could have proven his point without gong that far.
Actually Junes animal the shirshu was not anywhere near the earth kingdom or that fire temple. She actually was in that earth kingdom bar for the longest. Aang and Zuko get alot of moments together. Zuko holds back atleast here he gets some blocks dodges and could have got a good shot in. In the show he just bowed and took the hit.
I like the change to the Ozai fight, it shows that Zuko is headstrong and passionate rather than just rolling over when his morals are challenged, he couldn't bring himself to strike his father which carries the same implications as the cartoon but gives more weight to the scene because he did fight back he just lacked the resolve to commit. I also like how they're giving Ozai character as well, he looked genuinely remorseful when burning Zuko, he's not just generic end game villain here.
@@Kidapollo92 I hope they give Ozai aspirations beyond his own greed, make him a compelling villain where he sincerely wants the best for the Fire Nation and he believes the ends justify the means, almost like Thanos' philosophy, they have a platform to give Ozai development and character, the cartoon just made him evil for the sake of it.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 Exactly. A lot of the small changes seem to be done to give more depth to the characters. Make them less one dimensional. One dimensional traits can and do work well in animated form... for live action, I think we all benefit from having more depth in our characters. LOVE how they made the 41st the troupe that work for Zuko AND the ones that he spoke for. But I find it ... interesting how in this version, we get a clear indication that Ozai does seem more compassionate himself. Take as you will, but in this version, the 41st ARE SAVED and thus one HAS to assume that's because of Ozai himself. HE decided to not sacrifice them AND give them to Zuko.... weird right? In the animated version, we have to assume that sacrifice was probably made and those soldiers did die. But not here. Not sure what it means in the whole picture but I find it fascinating.
Okay so consider, cz I have thought of this before, Sozin was a fcked up man (I mean he literally eliminated all the air nomads on the off chance he’d kill the avatar, which is a stupid ahh plan cz of the reincarnation cycle, but whatever-) Sozins son is azulon, which is iroh and ozais father, and I would expect anybody brought up by fire lord Sozin the delulu, is also not normal. Ozai and Iroh werent close in the cartoon either, and I think Azulon pitted his children against each other too, the way Ozai is doing to Azula and Zuko. Ozai resented azulon for picking Iroh same as how Azula resents Zuko cz Ozai pretends to favor him to get to her, keep her under his control. Fire nation is just full of mind games, rivalries and lies.
Ngl I’m still 50/50 on the ozai changes. While yes it gives more to his character but it’s also kinda boring cliche writing. Plus I feel like it’ll take away the tension surrounding his presence & how scared you felt for Aang to fight him. Less is more in this case. But we’ll see
i kinda like that we're getting this take on ozai. both cartoon and live action versions have their pros and cons to how he's portrayed, but at least they're not attempting to exactly replicate it. its refreshing. the cartoon will always be there so thats why ive been so accepting to most changes we're getting
Sucks we dont get that Zhao and Zuko agni kai. Did yall know the dude who plays Zhao was in Xmen the last stand? He seems to be playing the role more subtle than Zhao in the animated version. HE isnt as angry and aggressive. I wonder what they will do with the Jeong Jeong episode. We have an accurate blue spirit mask not that scary shit from the movie. Pat you know damn well that not Iroh atleast not right now he aint did his jail time yet lol
by disrespecting the general you by extension disrespecting the fire lord. Idk maybe Ozai is like you looking weak... I cant look weak by association and I cant look weak myself.
Zuko actor is so good. I dead ass shed tears when the 41st Division welcome him home as the music plays, having each soldier taking their time saluting one by one. Zuko, who was overwhelmed with anger just moments earlier, sparked up hope once again, but this time for a different reason. MAN THIS SHOW IS GOOD!
Y'all wrong. Destruction and conquering is not part of the culture. That's why citizens from the Fire Nation tried taking the Fire Lord out. And it was mentioned in the original animated series in the episode with the Sun Warriors.
Fire is not just destruction, it is light and energy
The only thing I'm liking so far is how they're giving us more moments of the Fire Nations Royals interacting, they're such a fascinating family!
26:34 It wasn't always part of their culture. Fire Nation originally had music, dancing and singing as a huge part of their culture. The only person in the Fire Nation still upholding those traditions is Iroh when he sings and plays music on the boat sometimes. Sozin began the whole Fire Must Conquer, Fire is Destruction! kinda mindset within the Fire Nation.
Watching the cast interviews confirm that they intended for Ozai to be a bit more human, yes he does care a little bit for his children and wants to raise them well (as tools for war). He's not just favoring Azula like the cartoon.
Just like when Aang went to a fire nation school, the band was much more 'uniform'.
The pre to early war fire nation culture was still like feudal to meiji restoration era Japan, while by the time Ozai took the throne, the nation had radicalised to ww2 Japan level, regarding the other nations as inferior and such.
@@Memelord1117 Exactly. ATLA is inspired by real events (colonization of Asia by Japan). Fire Nation is based on Imperial Japan. Earth Kingdom is China. Air Nomads are Tibetan monks. And Water Tribes are Inuit.
@@darkhorse381 I would say fire nation is more Thai, and other SE nations (lao and cambodian), but the expansionist mindset is yeah probs japanese.
We get Zuko before the war council. Dallas did a good job at playing a younger version full of light and joy. I think Lt Jee was the dude that Zuko almost had an agni kai with in the episode the storm. We dont get Zuko dipping out after being chained up at the fire temple. And also we dont have Sokka and Katara here. Roku seems like a joyful grandpa here. He seems even more relaxed here. Roku was the first Avatar to overshadow Aang. He actually talks to him in the show way before Kyoshi
Was not the same person watch it again
@@walter8591 my fault was going off of memories but he does come close to fight a lt tho right?
@@Kidapollo92 yeah. the person who suggested the plan to sacrifice fire nation soldiers in the cartoon is who Zuko thought he would have to fight in an Agni Kai. It wasn't until he was standing there and his father revealed himself as his opponent that Zuko surrendered and wouldn't fight back.
@@xyrots No I think they're referring to a different moment in the present. There's Zuko vs his father (by surprise), then there's Commander Zhao, then there's him almost fighting one of his own crewmates who was starting to have bad faith in Zuko who acted as though he didn't care about his crew. It's in the episode The Storm where we learn both Aang and Zuko's backstory. Aang tells Katara and Iroh tells Zuko's backstory to the crew. Later they both end up in a storm and Zuko not only prioritizes his crew's safety but even lets the Avatar get away for that moment. Jee is an interpretation of that.
@@xyrotsno I was talking about in the animated show on the boat Zuko almost gets into an Agni Kai with his Lt
Commander zhao acting so perfect
yeah idk what they talking about
I was so glad Zuko actually fought his father. It was a good change from the cartoon where he refused and was burned as punishment
Nah you guy teasing our Dallas so much 😂
That guy who plays Zuko was the real fire, like for real.
He's acting so good, and his performances was a chef kiss 😙👌
16:53 after the sentence I had Goosebumps all over my body after he said that
If anyone is wondering why the Fire Lord is acting in such a way, just remember, this live action version is showing asian representation in the story.
Asian fathers who seek to gain positions of power always are like this. Responsibility, duty, and honor is above all. They will seek to use "tough" love on their kids and trust me when I say this...THE FIRST BORN SON...is the one that gets the worst of it all because they want to ensure that son is not a failure.
My bro on the right a real one 😂😂😂 like I get all that culture shit but nah it’s still fk Ozai for doing that to Zuko lol he clearly was wrong, he sent his son out there to purge him of weakness and a whole time he learned what real strength is, unity, kindness and peace. Fk that Fire nation culture lol him and Aang changed that shit
Exactly Pat was trying to cut him slack because he got teary eyed. He could have made his point without scaring him for life. The fire nation already fear him he didn't have to go that far to even their loyalty. Just say you like this Ozai better but stop with the making excuses.
Seriously. I've seen so many reactions that cut Ozai slack for displaying a trace of human emotion. But that's why two dimensional portrayals of abusers (like Ozai in the animated show) can be harmful. Because in real life, abusers DO have human emotions. And that doesn't render their actions any less harmful or abusive. Ozai is a human being with feelings, who is also manipulative , megalomaniacal, abusive bastard who plunders, pillages, and murders without remorse, and who tortured, abused, and permanently disfigured his 13 year old child for the crime of not being a sociopath. His ability to emote and act out his own twisted version of love does not mitigate any of this, not in the slightest.
@@wintersyve2000 I disagree and agree
5:00 y’all damn clowns 😂 I cackled at this like 5 times had to run it back over and over the timing was perfect!
But to be real, eps 4, 5 & 6 are my personal favorites of the season.
Now that was a heated discussion with a lot of valid points at the end and I appreciate the difference of opinions followed by the explanation of reasons that led up to those opinions. Anyone can be loud, but I dig those moments of keen observation combined with the show’s breadcrumbs that support the logic of the resulting feeling. Good stuff.
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Damn you guys 😂😂
Rob came in with the clutch point at the end ngl 😂 🔥 love to see it
I cried in this episode so much
I believe the "in the juice" mindset of Ozai is not a huge change. In the comic "the Search" Ozai kind of starts to talk about how he originally felt about Zuko and how he found his compassion a weakness. His feelings soured after he thought Ikem was the real father but was prevented from harming Zuko by Ursa. It fits with this live-action.
In this episode, Ozai burnt Zuko but not enough to lose his eye only a permanent reminder. He is a master firebender could have done worse with no repercussions. The royal medic is allowed to work a miracle poultice to heal it. Ozai comes into the room to reason with Zuko in private. Zuko told Ozai that the 41st should have been given a chance. So Ozai then removes the 41st from their suicide march to work for Zuko in his banishment.
He didn't have to only scar him, talk to him, or listen to his opinion. He cast him out to grow the heck up before he gets himself messed up in court politics, and allow Zuko to prove his conviction about the 41st being worth anything, to me.
Loved that discussion at the end
Me too. It was podcast discussion worthy and it's good to see Rob make a valid point. I remember first watching Rob's bad takes but he's gotten a lot more articulate since.
Ozai’s only sees his family as tools. Ozai usurped his older brother for the throne. He perverted his family for power. Ozai is only looking out for himself.
*Ozai
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Great discussion at the end, can see where both sides are coming from but have to say all the brutality and hostility is not fire nation culture, you see this in the later seasons as well. Thats just how Ozai is and by extension his family/supporters and military.
People can't question how he treats his family because thats damn near a death sentence. If he's willing to sacrifice innocent people for his cause what do you think he'd do to people questioning his ethics? Fire nation people burning their children out of tough love definitely isn't normal in that world, it's just how Ozai is choosing to strengthen those around him and maintain an image like Rob and Pat were saying.
You gotta keep in mind the kind of people that raised Iroh and Ozai and consider how that contributed to how they grew up. Iroh was fortunate enough to realize what they learned and what they were doing was fucked up. Ozai embraced the fuckery and chose to pass it on to his children and legacy.
Hands down, the best ep in the series :)
1 of the few things I can say the Netflix series did better than the original Nickelodeon series was expanding upon Ozai & Iroh's relationship as brothers. In the original series they never are on screen together, but here there are multiple times they interact with each other, which adds more to their backstories & character developments. Also, having the 41st Division be Zuko's crew was a nice detail that I'm glad they included.
That man doesn’t care about his son. The Fire Lord said the 41st division was expendable, replaceable and useless then assigns Zuko to the same crew.
Pat you were trying to cut Ozai some slack just because he teared up! Regardless of his reason no one focused a gun to his head he could have proven his point without gong that far.
This episode makes me cry 😢
7:45 “That’s ADMIRAL Zhao, infidels!”
To me so far all of the acting was fine then why some people still talk shit about it 😢
Rob is on point today, go Rob!!!!
BLUE SPIRIT BABY!!!!!!!!!
"is that everything? give me everything" - ozai is a menace fr
Actually Junes animal the shirshu was not anywhere near the earth kingdom or that fire temple. She actually was in that earth kingdom bar for the longest. Aang and Zuko get alot of moments together. Zuko holds back atleast here he gets some blocks dodges and could have got a good shot in. In the show he just bowed and took the hit.
I like the change to the Ozai fight, it shows that Zuko is headstrong and passionate rather than just rolling over when his morals are challenged, he couldn't bring himself to strike his father which carries the same implications as the cartoon but gives more weight to the scene because he did fight back he just lacked the resolve to commit. I also like how they're giving Ozai character as well, he looked genuinely remorseful when burning Zuko, he's not just generic end game villain here.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 I do like the fact he fought back as well. But I wonder what this means for ozai and how they will unpackage him.
@@Kidapollo92 I hope they give Ozai aspirations beyond his own greed, make him a compelling villain where he sincerely wants the best for the Fire Nation and he believes the ends justify the means, almost like Thanos' philosophy, they have a platform to give Ozai development and character, the cartoon just made him evil for the sake of it.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 ooooooooh
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 Exactly. A lot of the small changes seem to be done to give more depth to the characters. Make them less one dimensional. One dimensional traits can and do work well in animated form... for live action, I think we all benefit from having more depth in our characters. LOVE how they made the 41st the troupe that work for Zuko AND the ones that he spoke for.
But I find it ... interesting how in this version, we get a clear indication that Ozai does seem more compassionate himself. Take as you will, but in this version, the 41st ARE SAVED and thus one HAS to assume that's because of Ozai himself. HE decided to not sacrifice them AND give them to Zuko.... weird right? In the animated version, we have to assume that sacrifice was probably made and those soldiers did die. But not here. Not sure what it means in the whole picture but I find it fascinating.
You weren't sure if the Blue Spirit was Zuko or Iroh....what?!
RTTV - come for reaction. Stay for the argument What is bad parenting.
Pumping out these episodes but had to wait a week for one piece🤣
😂 heeeey it’s the last airbender
19:36 Hell nah he shows no once of remorse or care bro is ready to kill a nation ... He is not a reedmeable character ......
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Yep General Zhao did the best job out of all the antagonists. Followed by Firelord Sozin
Okay so consider, cz I have thought of this before, Sozin was a fcked up man (I mean he literally eliminated all the air nomads on the off chance he’d kill the avatar, which is a stupid ahh plan cz of the reincarnation cycle, but whatever-)
Sozins son is azulon, which is iroh and ozais father, and I would expect anybody brought up by fire lord Sozin the delulu, is also not normal.
Ozai and Iroh werent close in the cartoon either, and I think Azulon pitted his children against each other too, the way Ozai is doing to Azula and Zuko. Ozai resented azulon for picking Iroh same as how Azula resents Zuko cz Ozai pretends to favor him to get to her, keep her under his control.
Fire nation is just full of mind games, rivalries and lies.
Interesting conversation you guys had. And I gotta say, Taylor is cute!
@1:46 "he gon go cry in the car"
Tell meeeh! 🤗
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Come on whattf are you talking about haha. You know well & good that's not Iroh 12:38 - 12:40 😂😂🤣🤣🤣 everyone know it's Zuko
Ngl I’m still 50/50 on the ozai changes. While yes it gives more to his character but it’s also kinda boring cliche writing. Plus I feel like it’ll take away the tension surrounding his presence & how scared you felt for Aang to fight him. Less is more in this case. But we’ll see
i kinda like that we're getting this take on ozai. both cartoon and live action versions have their pros and cons to how he's portrayed, but at least they're not attempting to exactly replicate it. its refreshing. the cartoon will always be there so thats why ive been so accepting to most changes we're getting
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Sucks we dont get that Zhao and Zuko agni kai. Did yall know the dude who plays Zhao was in Xmen the last stand? He seems to be playing the role more subtle than Zhao in the animated version. HE isnt as angry and aggressive. I wonder what they will do with the Jeong Jeong episode. We have an accurate blue spirit mask not that scary shit from the movie. Pat you know damn well that not Iroh atleast not right now he aint did his jail time yet lol
Isn't the blue spirit mask supposed to be a little scary?
not that shit from the movie I had nightmares lol @@Axxidous
He was also Soo-Yungs kidnapper in Rush Hour I
@@Kidapollo92 I mean that’s the point lol
The movie mask was fine. It’s only “bad” cuz it was different and the movie was bad. Logic. lol
@@Axxidous that shit was terrifying
How much you see the live action Avatar movie to compare.
Tell me😂😂😂😂
by disrespecting the general you by extension disrespecting the fire lord. Idk maybe Ozai is like you looking weak... I cant look weak by association and I cant look weak myself.
… did I just agree with Rob?
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