@plxyer3813 it's pointless on high sanity builds anyway since it needs a % of your sanity to be reduced instead of a base amount, you literally need to be at 0 SANITY for it to proc the full 15% dmg boost
@@plxyer3813 it might be good for LOW sanity builds because it's based on percentage rather than amount, so with higher sanity will be harder to get the effects. Then again, heretics ignores sanity amount since it's also a percent decrease.
While lose your mind is abysmal in pvp, piercing will is still really good. Shared misery + nlk can also quickly increase others sanity. But yeah pretty shit buffs for something that basically required 80 willpower (heretics sutra)
So, what I'm understanding is that lose your mind doesn't do as much as Diluvian youtubers would like you to think it does until you're insane enough that the insanity effects are too annoying to deal with. I figured this was the case so I'm not shocked, but I'm sure there's people who are in for a little rude awakening.
it's okay-ish if you can use sutra 4 times back to back in one fight for a ~12% damage boost (although this is just worse than speccing into charm) but this is just straight up worthless in diluvian if you have conquer your fears or deepbound yeah
@@1nteque As far as I'm aware pretty much everyone runs deepbound in diluvian regardless for a few reasons. For one, as I mentioned, having low enough sanity gets annoying and problematic, and comes with the small possibility of getting you killed (from a really bad insanity stun timing getting you hit by a series of monster attacks). And for two, conquer your fears doesn't even seem to work in the diluvian dungeon, just in the main depths area (at least from my experience), whereas the deepbound passive of the same effect seems to work anywhere (and it is prominent enough that people get away with regularly using their corrupt bell with the insanity downside without ever getting too insane at all). And lastly, well, deepbound obviously makes the progression a lot quicker and call of the deep is convenient.
@@0placeholder0 not even necessarily because of brick wall specifically, but lose your mind does happen to share a stat requirement with berserker, a very helpful talent for diluvian
I remember having to adjust builds to make sure I get lose your mind no matter what. Knowing that the talent was actually barely doing anything and I’d have to be at like 0 sanity for any real benefit kinda hurts 😭
Bro ur incredible, ty for letting us know. U should get tester, ull help us all to rework talents cuz there are sum talents that doesnt work properly. Keep that great job, hopefully u grown bigger 💯
how much sanity would a 3 urchins 2 scallops mindbreaking pot take? maybe we could use some combination of heretic's, corrupted downside, and mindbreaking pots to instantly get to 10% which'll give us the perfect spot for piercing will and lym since u wont take damage w unfazed?
brick wall, but outside diluvian its trash😭, the only saving grace WAS heretics but, seeing this, yeah I am never going brick wall again, for anything outside of diluvian specific builds.
I made a build a long time ago that was just gale with nemesis katana. It had no special talents with the highest attribute investment being 40. With no shrine it did insanely well despite having zero high investment talents and im starting to realize why it was so busted (I also killed people with my mantras alone since I often forgot to sheathe my katana with poser's ring)
@@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039 I dunno how but my gale mantras were enough to 5 bar people pretty often. I even wasted 20 points into shadowcast on that build
@@amazingmrpig6369 I see... I must now take myself and my opinion to the nearest guilotuine to correct this mistake, my apologies, I simply wanted to state my humble opinion of "screaming into the air like a madman does not give aura", again, I apologise for my mistake of expressing my opinion, thus making you think it was an argument
so you're telling me I spent 80 stat points in willpower for heretics sutra, in order to gain a 15% dmg boost, that is only active while I'm hullcinating, scratching, and losing my shit. when I can just spend 25 points in charisma and get a same more consistent dmg boost.
You see inteque the problem is that most times heretics is one of your only options for build making u can go fort for reinforced strength for a pretty bad boost to m1 pen which also needs piercing will to be worth it without sear agility which is assassination and like who uses that intel for mantra pen also needs piercing to be worth it high charisma also isnt really worth it cuz u can go 25 55 60 and 75 and 75 is mostly useless if u go high willpower with gaze or have the charm enchant finally the only other things are weapons and attunment and if ur going an elemental weapon u have points left its not that we usse heretics cuz its really good we use it cuz we have the points to do so and 2 high investment attributes need it to be good u basically choose between reinforced sustain a diverse build with points in every stat or a heretics build
its okay if you can use sutra like 4 times back to back in a fight for a ~12% damage buff (ignoring passive sanity regen) but other than that its just straight up worse than charm
Unironically, I know the goon who keeps talking about glacial ice but I’m really curious if I still need to be going for this talent or not. I need to know if it works.
Yo, can you please test charm/overcharm and does it applies to monsters? (i did my own tests and only hummanoids affected by it but it need more tests bc it might js be visual bug)
Inteque how does weak block work? its never talked about as a mechanic and i feel like it only ever shows as a way to punish people for parrying (the red flash that appears over your posture bar when you block again too quickly)
What are the actual methods used to drop sanity? Heretic’s sutra only takes you to 65% which is nearly nothing with LYM, but that’s what people ran for the longest time, no?
I have a question: is it more difficult to proc talents like lose your mind and piercing will on a Ganymede slot due to the higher sanity scaling? Would this not be a nerf to the race?
yes and no, sutra sanity damage is percentage based so it'd make absolutely no difference on that other than the fact that you will regen sanity slower (and thus keep lym/piercing will buffs for longer), but for flat sanity damage (like corrupted sanity bell) yes this could be detrimental
I have a question, is it true that when you're under the effect of Heretic's Sutra, you have Lose Your Mind activated at maximum efficiency regardless of your current sanity?
So what I've learned is that lose your mind is absolutely abysmal in PvP and meh in PvE
Its good if you run a high sanity build, otherwise horrible.
@plxyer3813 it's pointless on high sanity builds anyway since it needs a % of your sanity to be reduced instead of a base amount, you literally need to be at 0 SANITY for it to proc the full 15% dmg boost
@@plxyer3813 it might be good for LOW sanity builds because it's based on percentage rather than amount, so with higher sanity will be harder to get the effects. Then again, heretics ignores sanity amount since it's also a percent decrease.
@@plxyer3813watch the video again
While lose your mind is abysmal in pvp, piercing will is still really good. Shared misery + nlk can also quickly increase others sanity. But yeah pretty shit buffs for something that basically required 80 willpower (heretics sutra)
The truth is that I've lost my mind.
How lost minded are you sir
@@TRSOD_gryzli22so loss minded that i can eat a horse
This one's sanity must've already crumbled.
What an insanity
Thank you for covering this, hats off to ACTUAL TESTERS in gaming communities like you
there are many testers they just dont post abt it on a youtube channel 💀
@sacredslice What are you trying to say? This guy just topped them all for making the information mainstream.
This game has actual testers and most of these glitches talked about inteque would be fixed if the devs actually listened to them
No ammounts of willpower propaganda shall ever stop me from running my glorious king BRICK WALL in chime
Insane.
Your mind is truly.... a brick wall.
So, what I'm understanding is that lose your mind doesn't do as much as Diluvian youtubers would like you to think it does until you're insane enough that the insanity effects are too annoying to deal with. I figured this was the case so I'm not shocked, but I'm sure there's people who are in for a little rude awakening.
it's okay-ish if you can use sutra 4 times back to back in one fight for a ~12% damage boost (although this is just worse than speccing into charm) but this is just straight up worthless in diluvian if you have conquer your fears or deepbound yeah
@@1nteque charisma being just stupid good for no reason yet again
@@1nteque As far as I'm aware pretty much everyone runs deepbound in diluvian regardless for a few reasons. For one, as I mentioned, having low enough sanity gets annoying and problematic, and comes with the small possibility of getting you killed (from a really bad insanity stun timing getting you hit by a series of monster attacks). And for two, conquer your fears doesn't even seem to work in the diluvian dungeon, just in the main depths area (at least from my experience), whereas the deepbound passive of the same effect seems to work anywhere (and it is prominent enough that people get away with regularly using their corrupt bell with the insanity downside without ever getting too insane at all). And lastly, well, deepbound obviously makes the progression a lot quicker and call of the deep is convenient.
you might as well since most modern pves are brick wall anyways
@@0placeholder0 not even necessarily because of brick wall specifically, but lose your mind does happen to share a stat requirement with berserker, a very helpful talent for diluvian
so glad i've stopped going 80 wp on builds last month, its saved me so many points and lets me get far better talents
and you get to actually see your game and your vision isnt constantly obscured
@ so real, the obscured screen was really my last ticking point before I stopped going heretics all together
I remember having to adjust builds to make sure I get lose your mind no matter what. Knowing that the talent was actually barely doing anything and I’d have to be at like 0 sanity for any real benefit kinda hurts 😭
im sorry you had to find out this way
stage 3 insanity is at -10% you can still get a 12% buff
Its still free damage
@@perperperper7554 okay, but do you want to also be stunned for 2 seconds every minute?
Unfazed, also piercing will.
2:42 He did not use his major to calculate deepwoken, his major IS DEEPWOKEN
Bro ur incredible, ty for letting us know. U should get tester, ull help us all to rework talents cuz there are sum talents that doesnt work properly. Keep that great job, hopefully u grown bigger 💯
Already stopped going for high willpower builds when you first showcased piercing will and lym damage
Why does it feel like the entire willpower talent tree is mid 😭
ILY so much, please keep making videos.
It might be time to be sane again
Thank you Zullie of Lumen
Ong
Why not try stratoshock? That would low key be a good one
stratoshock actually just does what it says but im p sure mantras natively get nerfed in weather and those values aren't really known i think
@@1nteque Damn gang.. Thanks 😔
day 21 of asking inteque to make a 1 hour long lore video about the saramaed hollow cave paintings
how much sanity would a 3 urchins 2 scallops mindbreaking pot take? maybe we could use some combination of heretic's, corrupted downside, and mindbreaking pots to instantly get to 10% which'll give us the perfect spot for piercing will and lym since u wont take damage w unfazed?
Most of the talents procing with insanity have just been [Placebo Effect] this entire time
Lies, placebo effect implies its at least making me better because i think i am better, that 15% damage buff delusion did NOT make me play better
We’ve… we’ve been lied to this entire time…
So bang for your buck. Willpower is genuinely just a useless stat past 50
i mean you either go 65 for all the dead gods, or you go 100 for brick wall, thats it, everything else sucks, never go willpower post shrine
brick wall, but outside diluvian its trash😭, the only saving grace WAS heretics but, seeing this, yeah I am never going brick wall again, for anything outside of diluvian specific builds.
Don’t forget about piercing will~ those two together make it worth it along side unfazed I’d say.
@@noodle67 its ass
Shared misery is crippling depending on your build
I made a build a long time ago that was just gale with nemesis katana. It had no special talents with the highest attribute investment being 40. With no shrine it did insanely well despite having zero high investment talents and im starting to realize why it was so busted (I also killed people with my mantras alone since I often forgot to sheathe my katana with poser's ring)
Omfg literally me
How many times did i die or get to make a fight (including pve) way worser for me because i completly forgot i have to sheate
@@monikaisdonewiththeinterne2039 I dunno how but my gale mantras were enough to 5 bar people pretty often. I even wasted 20 points into shadowcast on that build
@@stoast802 unfortunately for me i am ass so i had to regularly stop using poser, specially so on pve
You run it for the aura not the effectiveness
popping sutra mid combo to pass the aura check
I sense no aura in screaming into the air for no reason, you’re just trying too hard
@@Sky_dartsdeepwoken logic
Take a joke: ❌
Make an argument nobody (yourself included) gives a shit about: ✅✅✅🔥🔥🔥🗿💯🗿💯💯
@@amazingmrpig6369 real shit
@@amazingmrpig6369 I see... I must now take myself and my opinion to the nearest guilotuine to correct this mistake, my apologies, I simply wanted to state my humble opinion of "screaming into the air like a madman does not give aura", again, I apologise for my mistake of expressing my opinion, thus making you think it was an argument
so you're telling me I spent 80 stat points in willpower for heretics sutra, in order to gain a 15% dmg boost, that is only active while I'm hullcinating, scratching, and losing my shit.
when I can just spend 25 points in charisma and get a same more consistent dmg boost.
yeah
ya also get 10% dmg reduc from those 25 points
@@warrra3 its not constantly active, and idk if its 25 for the dmg reduc or 35, but yeah
@@jazzman7842 the dmg reduc requires no talent you can have it for free with allure its base behavior for charm
My goat has posted again
yea lowkey im alr imagining the pve builds i could make by not going the 30 str pre shrine for lym now since its actually just abysmal
Me when i get 1% more pen 🤑🤑🤑
You see inteque the problem is that most times heretics is one of your only options for build making u can go fort for reinforced strength for a pretty bad boost to m1 pen which also needs piercing will to be worth it without sear agility which is assassination and like who uses that intel for mantra pen also needs piercing to be worth it high charisma also isnt really worth it cuz u can go 25 55 60 and 75 and 75 is mostly useless if u go high willpower with gaze or have the charm enchant finally the only other things are weapons and attunment and if ur going an elemental weapon u have points left its not that we usse heretics cuz its really good we use it cuz we have the points to do so and 2 high investment attributes need it to be good u basically choose between reinforced sustain a diverse build with points in every stat or a heretics build
0:36 who came up with these stupid sanity percentages?? did you see it in your vision
corrupted sanity bell takes away 40 sanity and if i have 400 sanity that'd obviously be 10%
thanks deepwoken zullie very cool!
Can you test the Flame Within talent and wether or not it proccs with fire in general or only by using the talent
I've learned more from this than AP statistics
I mean, i was expecting alot worse, but is actually worth it.
its okay if you can use sutra like 4 times back to back in a fight for a ~12% damage buff (ignoring passive sanity regen) but other than that its just straight up worse than charm
@1nteque Is not like everyone just go 30 strength anyway for berserker.
It’s not difficult to use it 4 times, you get 15 percent pen as well, and charm is busted so you can get both.
@@noodle67 piercing does not proc constantly you twig it barely procs for like 15-20 secs after using heretics (which stuns u for about 2-3 secs)
and lose your mind is like such a cool talent on paper
go insane to do more damage sounds awesome sauce
wow.. 😢
This is why inteque is the savior and goat of dry ahh modern day deepwoken, slacking ahh devs. + kudos for based katana zero banner
i dont care how little the damage buff is, extra damage is extra damage
the willpower heretic builds are in shambles (katana zero banner love it)
Will my knees be taken in this episode on Inteque “the truth about…”?
I will still be running my heretics uncapped pen attunementless clone build with this truth 😢
Unironically, I know the goon who keeps talking about glacial ice but I’m really curious if I still need to be going for this talent or not. I need to know if it works.
inteque, does the lightweight talent even do anything
Inteque can you test the effectiveness of thrown and drank potions with and without apothecary? Thanks in advance
can you do a video about disbelief?
Atp 3/4 of the talents are literally broken or just not worth getting
Yo, can you please test charm/overcharm and does it applies to monsters? (i did my own tests and only hummanoids affected by it but it need more tests bc it might js be visual bug)
i was overthinking the thumbnail and thought it was gonna be positive, like lose your mid meaning stop being mid lol
peak content
I wouldnt be trying this on a freshie cause theres dmg caps when a max build attacks a freshie
i, im going to go cry now
well i mean i think its still good because that 2-6 % that youll probably be doing could be what wins you the fight but idk
rip everyone who pops sutra prior to a chime match only to deal like no extra damage
Just a waste rare talent that i gonna take other rare better maybe.
can u talk about not a scratch and see if it really does help u not slow down if ur low or reduce range for mobility moves?
bad thing is that you have to make sure you don't hit tier 3 insanity, since then you will be dying in gabks like crazy, I know that from experience
No head 😢?
@sihani1603 no head.
As if nobody knew that lose your mind was abhorrently worse than lowstride
Inteque how does weak block work? its never talked about as a mechanic and i feel like it only ever shows as a way to punish people for parrying (the red flash that appears over your posture bar when you block again too quickly)
do the deepwoken devs know glacial ice doesn’t work?
you could say that this is…INSANE!!! teeheeheehee ☺️☺️
What are the actual methods used to drop sanity? Heretic’s sutra only takes you to 65% which is nearly nothing with LYM, but that’s what people ran for the longest time, no?
Corrupted bell, as shown in the video.
Can you make video about Glacial Ice talent?
Could you make a video on storm link? Does it actually ADD damage, or just convert it into LTN dmg?
now combine with piercing will
its better to have it than to not have it
what recording software do you use
OBS
can you test magical resolve to really just kill off willpower builds if its mid🙏🙏
I have a question: is it more difficult to proc talents like lose your mind and piercing will on a Ganymede slot due to the higher sanity scaling? Would this not be a nerf to the race?
yes and no, sutra sanity damage is percentage based so it'd make absolutely no difference on that other than the fact that you will regen sanity slower (and thus keep lym/piercing will buffs for longer), but for flat sanity damage (like corrupted sanity bell) yes this could be detrimental
@ thank you I was unsure if lose your mind was the method on Ganymede or not
Does the gathering electricity talent work, if so what kind of buff does it actually even give anyway
Well ig its time for 5 strength brockwall builds
Devs when they actually balanced lose your mind to have real downsides.
Mr inteque can we please please get a video on
Tough love
Allure
Chaotic charm 😊
ok shibenue2890 just for u
@@1nteque comparison of tough love vs narcisist(the overcharm one) pretty please.
@@1nteque you might have 75 charisma irl .. I'll keep feeding you doable vids babe...
whats the music called?
Do level 5 mantras actaully give 20% damage boost, the truth about static link, 2 for one ahh
What frost talents dont work with crystal path
You should cover assissanation
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
omori musiccc!!
cover obvious flaw please 🙏
how do you proc lose your mind to begin with? are you using herectic sutra or just insanity pots?
you just need to be below 70% sanity thats the only requirement
w-what... n-n-no.. it cant be.
zullie but deepwoken is fire
Proc charm --> unnecessary theatrics --> guardbroken + piercing blow ---> manipulator ---> detonation proc 5 bars victim
0:01 Nerd
0:02 Nerd
Nerdbob
DO A VIDEO ABOUT JAILER PLEASEEEE
so it's actually bad either way, dont ever pick this up and get a different better rare instead
Inteque Please do true ether bullets!!
I have a question, is it true that when you're under the effect of Heretic's Sutra, you have Lose Your Mind activated at maximum efficiency regardless of your current sanity?
For 15 secs I think yeah. Watch his previous video.
@@plxyer3813 i don't think this is the case for lose your mind, just piercing will
ty
Pls do reienforce armor or Million ton
what region do you play in?
Day 3 of asking for charged return 😔
Being lazy and not going 80 wp paid off
what about heretic sutra
i remember you said you qwill remmeber me at 10k subs, i said rthat when u were at 4k. your at 6.6k,. dont forget me 😥😥
dont worry i remember u emperor raisin my day 1 fan
@@1nteque :D
Then is this really necessary for PvE..?
Heretics sutra isn’t, but willpower definitely is.
Not LYM but not running at least 40 on a pve slot is wild
bro this not mid this is SHIT 😭
early
😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
DON’T FIX IT, THINK OF THE SILENT HEARTS!!! PVP WILL BE DOOMED!!!!
thank god heretic sutra sucks i hated using it i always forgot i had it