To me the problem is not the dungeon's difficulty, but the fact you need best thralls with best gear only to get not so great equipment. So you either try hard to beat it with low grade gear knowing there are much easier ways to get better reward or beat it with best gear only to collect all possible legendaries or whatever
I can see just from your gameplay what you are doing wrong. First off, your thralls are not properly armored, and they need to use maces. the mace allows them to continously attack even if being hit themselves. Plus they have a five hit combo with the mace. Secondly, it's all about YOU since the Age of War. Do not run around kiting monsters while your thralls are being attacked. You go and help your thralls. Use that perk to give hp to thralls for amount of damage you cause too, helps alot in keeping them alive. Now, I have never had problems with Wine Cellar or my thralls dying when I am with my thralls. Now, when I do the wine cellar solo in heavy armor and heavy hitter weapons with a strength, Vitality, grit build I do run into problems, but it's usually my fault; like getting stuck in a corner with a boss and mob hitting me or being tired and missing my cue on dodging the blue versus Thag. anyway, remember it's YOUR story, not your thralls. You have to be actively defending your thralls now, not the other way around.
I agree with you 100% Recently lost a level 18 Dalinsia wearing Champion Armour (I know I could have chosen better for a thrall but it is good epic armour regardless) and Momentum. She got stuck somewhere and I could not find her then she died. Eventually found the boss and was one shotted by it. Some one skull average boss in the dungeon. It’s not that the dungeon is hard, it’s unbalanced, you’re correct, they need to check the stats on the bosses again.
Honestly. Dont see an issue. Short of mods there's no sustainable gameplay for veteran players in the vanilla game as it was, so making some things harder & even introducing harder content is welcome imo. And much like the Arena Champion, there're more Thrall Killers now to force playes to battle. Honestly, I'd like to see more of this. And I have to say, I've been though the Wine Cellar on a non thrall agility build dragging a barear-tank with me. It was challenging. But not impossible. And the barer survived. If you've got pretty good gear you'll do ok. And 'meta' is over rated, flexibility & adaptation however.. You want tough dungeons try soloing ESO advanced dungeons, that's hard ! I see what you're saying though, if you're used to playing a certain way.. but its only a matter of adaptation. Id like to have seen proper dlc expansions myself, a partnership with a modders collective maybe. But as we're not getting that.. Anyways. Looking out for new content from you now bud. I liked your take on this, a valid pov put across rather well.
Dalinsia and berserkers have both worked beautifully for me against this boss. Haven’t had any problems with this final boss. They do take some damage but never below half health. Possible you aren’t bringing strong enough thralls into the dungeon Definetly want to give them exotic fesast for the extra healing as well
Look ive solod every boss, npc, dungeon, they are all possible alone. You mentioned having a 100% stregth boost on your thrall, thats not what that stat is, thats its growth chance for that stat not its boost to damage. All bosses were ridiculously nerfed on hp since AoW, so theyre easier now than ever before.
@@Raussl thag still has decent hp but is super easy to beat, hes too slow to be a real threat and you can make easy work of him. Yes there is that stat but its not what he referred to, he was referring to the growth stat, the damage stat listed below the table is the one he should have looked at, getting that to 100% is no easy feat and barely any thralls have a chance to get it that high.
The thing that is unbalanced for me is the difference between level 59 and 60. When you reach level 60, you're golden and everthing is super easy. But just one level before it and you can lose your level 20 thralls because you can't craft any epic gear. Because the difference between epic gear and the next best thing is huge. On my second playthrough and beyond, I just skipped alot of the mid game gear because I knew that level 60 was going to have everything I wanted.
yeah end game dungeon my ass, they changed the mechanics and now you have way harder time dealing with NPC spam because the stun lock NEVER ENDS and most player choices are limited to the animations rather that the damage output, it is retarded to the core, removes all skill and overall the game its just boring as fuck now. also, may I point they keep changing a full released game as if it is an early access, and no1 mentions this!!!! I wonder why people goes away funcom..
Just use the decoy spell if the thrall is getting destroyed. Or speq into a warrior build and be the fighter with a thrall with a lot of health with low damage like a bearer. I did this dungeon solo many times not that hard when u learn the how to bait attacks and side step
The rotbranch boss is as well op with its damage. And in vulcano in the tower the skelos lizard things have still 3k, more hp as the mini boss version of it lol.
funcom have broken ways of doing things. Sipta off the top of my head. Why can i not just travel there in single player??? That would break pvp in exiled lands I was told (BS btw). The journey steps a good improvement imo, polished, categorized and some of the rewards are epic but as a single player I have no more reason to explore the lore of conan exiles anymore. Grind out the reward I want and ignore those I don't want until I'm bored and return to it cos after buylding my 10th base and having all the ingredients to leave the place the only thing left to do is run around exploring(which used to be a journey step btw, explore all the exiled land. They constantly seem to forget that they more than one kind of player
If you mean travel when you're online from EL to Siptah, reason is purely tech. Both worlds are UE4 maps, and created at the same height, more or less. So to run both maps at the same time, you should set one of the map over or under the other, and ofc deal with performance problems. The engine is also super outdated, version 4.15 and modded in the engine files by the 'smart' devs of Funcom (in this way is basically impossible update the engine easily without broke the game for real). There's was a Mod in the past able to do that (before AoS), actually i don't know if is still available and working. I suppose no. Beside that, I do agree with all the rest. Too easy right now, too short, not engaging anymore. That's a shame indeed.
What kind of thralls and gear are you using? This dungeon is easy...I also see you are using weak weapons. Do you have some players that could mentor you on playing better? I'd offer some help, but I'm on console.
"All builds should be viable" couldn't agree more. The difficulty spike of The Exiled Lands' dungeons is one of the main reasons I tend to stick to Isle of Siptah. Vaults are doable even in solo mode (my predominant way) and it's bosses really don't one- or two-shot you, even though recent nerf to thralls took it's toll here as well. Devs say that nerfing thralls is to "make player feel like their character is a hero, not thralls" but doing so by nerfing thralls to borderline useless (and don't get me even started on pets, tamed animals are now viable solely as base decorations) while keeping the players' characters at same level as before - result is that nobody from players' side is "hero", all are weak. And no, using cheesy methods is not an answer! And tbh, Winecellar dungeon is exceptionally great example of sad evolution, since it absolutely shines in atmosphere and design department - exploring ruins of ancient underground demon-worshipping city is total blast.
Hmmmm idk tbh I can Normally do this dungeon day 1 on official servers I just buy a dalinsia on mek mosis level her up a little put some dragon bone and silent legion and I can solo the dungeon.
Shit I run as a full corrupted strength build with zombies and I smoke everything in there in a few hits except that and that's only because of his mechanics. Zombies do get low sometimes but as long as there's plenty of food on em they're fine. Now that wood world boss at circle of swords is broke as fuck lol. Killed 2 of 3 zombies before I could get him down
this is the only Dungeon that is not brain dead ez every other Dungeon you can still tell your thrall to go in and the boss will die this is the only one i have died in and its fun
damn i am commenting again xD Bro it is ok to rant, its not the dungeon its the thralls that need a look into. you speak truth my dude, apologise not for that :)
When I look up the Location of something. I expect the location is to be what I'm getting not a whole rant. About a f****** dungeon, it's called get good.
To me the problem is not the dungeon's difficulty, but the fact you need best thralls with best gear only to get not so great equipment.
So you either try hard to beat it with low grade gear knowing there are much easier ways to get better reward or beat it with best gear only to collect all possible legendaries or whatever
I can see just from your gameplay what you are doing wrong. First off, your thralls are not properly armored, and they need to use maces. the mace allows them to continously attack even if being hit themselves. Plus they have a five hit combo with the mace. Secondly, it's all about YOU since the Age of War. Do not run around kiting monsters while your thralls are being attacked. You go and help your thralls. Use that perk to give hp to thralls for amount of damage you cause too, helps alot in keeping them alive. Now, I have never had problems with Wine Cellar or my thralls dying when I am with my thralls. Now, when I do the wine cellar solo in heavy armor and heavy hitter weapons with a strength, Vitality, grit build I do run into problems, but it's usually my fault; like getting stuck in a corner with a boss and mob hitting me or being tired and missing my cue on dodging the blue versus Thag. anyway, remember it's YOUR story, not your thralls. You have to be actively defending your thralls now, not the other way around.
I agree with you 100% Recently lost a level 18 Dalinsia wearing Champion Armour (I know I could have chosen better for a thrall but it is good epic armour regardless) and Momentum. She got stuck somewhere and I could not find her then she died. Eventually found the boss and was one shotted by it. Some one skull average boss in the dungeon. It’s not that the dungeon is hard, it’s unbalanced, you’re correct, they need to check the stats on the bosses again.
Honestly. Dont see an issue. Short of mods there's no sustainable gameplay for veteran players in the vanilla game as it was, so making some things harder & even introducing harder content is welcome imo. And much like the Arena Champion, there're more Thrall Killers now to force playes to battle. Honestly, I'd like to see more of this. And I have to say, I've been though the Wine Cellar on a non thrall agility build dragging a barear-tank with me. It was challenging. But not impossible. And the barer survived.
If you've got pretty good gear you'll do ok. And 'meta' is over rated, flexibility & adaptation however..
You want tough dungeons try soloing ESO advanced dungeons, that's hard !
I see what you're saying though, if you're used to playing a certain way.. but its only a matter of adaptation.
Id like to have seen proper dlc expansions myself, a partnership with a modders collective maybe. But as we're not getting that..
Anyways. Looking out for new content from you now bud. I liked your take on this, a valid pov put across rather well.
I ran this solo three days ago, without thralls, using Forgelight and the craftable lemurian axe.
the 20iq comment was missing..
Dalinsia and berserkers have both worked beautifully for me against this boss. Haven’t had any problems with this final boss. They do take some damage but never below half health. Possible you aren’t bringing strong enough thralls into the dungeon
Definetly want to give them exotic fesast for the extra healing as well
Look ive solod every boss, npc, dungeon, they are all possible alone.
You mentioned having a 100% stregth boost on your thrall, thats not what that stat is, thats its growth chance for that stat not its boost to damage.
All bosses were ridiculously nerfed on hp since AoW, so theyre easier now than ever before.
Not Thag...and he is probably referring to the str dmg buff number visible in the thrall stat window. It is also in % but can go above 100%.
@@Raussl thag still has decent hp but is super easy to beat, hes too slow to be a real threat and you can make easy work of him.
Yes there is that stat but its not what he referred to, he was referring to the growth stat, the damage stat listed below the table is the one he should have looked at, getting that to 100% is no easy feat and barely any thralls have a chance to get it that high.
@@Raussl Thag still has old HP and damage, he is tanky but dont do that much damage, the skeleton minibosses to more damage than him
How bout some creatures being invisible? How long has that been like that? That’s bs
That's a player console/pc problem. I don't have the problem, but my buddy does with elephants.
I havent had any problems with thralls running in epic armor and with 1h legendary mace, running them stacked with gruel + well trained
The thing that is unbalanced for me is the difference between level 59 and 60. When you reach level 60, you're golden and everthing is super easy. But just one level before it and you can lose your level 20 thralls because you can't craft any epic gear. Because the difference between epic gear and the next best thing is huge. On my second playthrough and beyond, I just skipped alot of the mid game gear because I knew that level 60 was going to have everything I wanted.
I can't even make epic heavy on my official pvp server cause clan has it all blocked off for elephants
@@neverending5316you could buy elephant hide with gold coins at sepermeru though
@@neverending5316 What about mammoths?
@@clarkkent1521 lots of spam near asgard also
@@neverending5316theres like 20 in the snow area
yeah end game dungeon my ass, they changed the mechanics and now you have way harder time dealing with NPC spam because the stun lock NEVER ENDS and most player choices are limited to the animations rather that the damage output, it is retarded to the core, removes all skill and overall the game its just boring as fuck now. also, may I point they keep changing a full released game as if it is an early access, and no1 mentions this!!!! I wonder why people goes away funcom..
also wtf is "use a legendary drop that relies on RNG to get" supposed to mean in terms of skill...?
Just use the decoy spell if the thrall is getting destroyed. Or speq into a warrior build and be the fighter with a thrall with a lot of health with low damage like a bearer. I did this dungeon solo many times not that hard when u learn the how to bait attacks and side step
The rotbranch boss is as well op with its damage. And in vulcano in the tower the skelos lizard things have still 3k, more hp as the mini boss version of it lol.
funcom have broken ways of doing things. Sipta off the top of my head. Why can i not just travel there in single player??? That would break pvp in exiled lands I was told (BS btw). The journey steps a good improvement imo, polished, categorized and some of the rewards are epic but as a single player I have no more reason to explore the lore of conan exiles anymore. Grind out the reward I want and ignore those I don't want until I'm bored and return to it cos after buylding my 10th base and having all the ingredients to leave the place the only thing left to do is run around exploring(which used to be a journey step btw, explore all the exiled land. They constantly seem to forget that they more than one kind of player
If you mean travel when you're online from EL to Siptah, reason is purely tech. Both worlds are UE4 maps, and created at the same height, more or less. So to run both maps at the same time, you should set one of the map over or under the other, and ofc deal with performance problems. The engine is also super outdated, version 4.15 and modded in the engine files by the 'smart' devs of Funcom (in this way is basically impossible update the engine easily without broke the game for real). There's was a Mod in the past able to do that (before AoS), actually i don't know if is still available and working. I suppose no. Beside that, I do agree with all the rest. Too easy right now, too short, not engaging anymore. That's a shame indeed.
@@FrancoOliveri Interesting, didn't really consider that thank you
What kind of thralls and gear are you using? This dungeon is easy...I also see you are using weak weapons. Do you have some players that could mentor you on playing better? I'd offer some help, but I'm on console.
"All builds should be viable" couldn't agree more. The difficulty spike of The Exiled Lands' dungeons is one of the main reasons I tend to stick to Isle of Siptah. Vaults are doable even in solo mode (my predominant way) and it's bosses really don't one- or two-shot you, even though recent nerf to thralls took it's toll here as well. Devs say that nerfing thralls is to "make player feel like their character is a hero, not thralls" but doing so by nerfing thralls to borderline useless (and don't get me even started on pets, tamed animals are now viable solely as base decorations) while keeping the players' characters at same level as before - result is that nobody from players' side is "hero", all are weak. And no, using cheesy methods is not an answer!
And tbh, Winecellar dungeon is exceptionally great example of sad evolution, since it absolutely shines in atmosphere and design department - exploring ruins of ancient underground demon-worshipping city is total blast.
Yeah my gathering build should be able to go through this dungeon.
Hmmmm idk tbh I can Normally do this dungeon day 1 on official servers I just buy a dalinsia on mek mosis level her up a little put some dragon bone and silent legion and I can solo the dungeon.
Also buy momentums on mekmosis too
Shit I run as a full corrupted strength build with zombies and I smoke everything in there in a few hits except that and that's only because of his mechanics. Zombies do get low sometimes but as long as there's plenty of food on em they're fine. Now that wood world boss at circle of swords is broke as fuck lol. Killed 2 of 3 zombies before I could get him down
this is the only Dungeon that is not brain dead ez every other Dungeon you can still tell your thrall to go in and the boss will die this is the only one i have died in and its fun
damn i am commenting again xD Bro it is ok to rant, its not the dungeon its the thralls that need a look into. you speak truth my dude, apologise not for that :)
you doing this at 15?
When I look up the Location of something. I expect the location is to be what I'm getting not a whole rant. About a f****** dungeon, it's called get good.