Rocks on plastic. Minerals on clear coat. That is an analogy that I think will resonate with customers. Thanks for your insightful way of simplifying things so that troglodytes like myself can better communicate with customers.
Thank you again for your teaching 😊 I just had this happen to a Volvo I did a two step correction on the paint and coated it with a ceramic coating. All good until two weeks later when the customer came back for the washing course and there were water spots on all horizontal surfaces 😞 Initially I thought they were on top of the ceramic coating but turned out the customer had had problems with water spots on his cars in the past. So what happened is I didn't notice the water spots were there when I polished and ceramic coated the car. In the end I had to remove the coating and use mineral deposits remover, polish and recoat. Problem solved ☺️👍 I continue to learn and especially from you Yvan so thank you 🙏
In a diy side at least in France it is common knowledge that white vinegar is helping to breaking the minerals because of the acidic aspect of it. Water spots reminds me a black car i once detailed. She was fully covered of water spots and oxydation and other things the before/after pics are still ones of my best I think. Best regards from France Yvan
Hi. Greetings from Sweden. I just wanna say thank you for informative videos and great explaining. I'm just a amateur taking care of my own vehicles but I find many things in you videos that apply to me too.
Great info, as always. And I always remind people each drop has a certain amount of chemicals in it. As the water evaporates, it concentrates the chemicals, which makes etching all the faster. Hope to see you at SDC.
Yvan, thank you for another great video. This question is unrelated, but I figured you’d see this sooner than me commenting on a previous video. When it comes to cleaning leather with the DA, do you use a microfiber finishing pad or cutting pad? Would the cutting pad be too aggressive or does it not matter which one you use as long as it’s microfiber? Thank you for all you do.
Great tips as always, Yvan. Thank you. If water spots appear on a ceramic coated car, are these typically removable just with a chemical mineral remover? Or does the coating also become "etched" the way clear coat does (and therefore needs polishing afterward)"?
Great Information , Love Your Channel 😎. When using something strong like wheel acid, should you only do one panel at a time ? And also sounds like Apex Surface Protections ReHydra-Sheet is a great option to put over coatings. Thanks 😊
@@Detailers-Business-Academy does spray wax with both carnauba and polymer technology work, or do you want a pure carnauba spray wax? Im finding a lot of carnauba/polymer products, not sure which ones are pure carnauba sprax wax
Thanks Yvan! I have a customer in a few weeks with bad water spots on the paint and glass. I'm a little nervous letting the acid dwell too long on the glass in case I accidentally etch it
So much information in this video. I always had a feeling wax was the ticket to having that protective layer. So would thebbest form of protection be possibly to use a Sio2 spray sealant or a nano coating. And then top it with a non abrasive wax ever now and then? That has the same or close the same hydrophobic effects?
Hi thanks for all great info you provide. I wonder,i have coating sonax one om my car. And have goth bird poop that have left stanse in clearcoat. Traid onr but dident hjelp. What can i do?
I let iron remover dry on my car in the hot sun. The paint was OK, but the black plastic around the wheel wells and on the B pillar have stubborn "water" spots (presumably minerals of some kind). I've tried vinegar and Barkeeper's Friend, which lightened them, but not all the way. Would polishing with a cutting compound be my next step? Great video as always.
My personal preference is the sheeting affect,there abilities to gather the water and flush it off.Beading is lovely if that’s your cup of tea.But I find they spot.
Thanks you for all your tips its really help us in the business, i have 1 questions can your tell us the scientific name of the acid which use to remove mineral water spot
Excellent knowledge as always. Great explanation. Wouldn’t be best option not to have water spots to hand dry a vehicle after wash ??? Lol just a thought
As a mobile detailer, I was curious if it would be beneficial to add ONR to my water tank to soften the water and help reduce mineral deposits. I guess the biggest question would be if even in small amounts would this harm my pressure washer?
Hi monsieur Lacroix, sorry for asking a question about a different subject, in my country, they don't sell special detergent for microfiber towels so what would be your suggestion for me to clean them up safely preferably in a washing machine?
Use a liquid detergent without bleach, fragrance, or fabric softener. Add a cup of white vinegar to the machine where you would normally add the bleach.
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Hi Yvan, hopefully you could help. I live in Africa so in some instances we only have access to borehole water, which as you know has even more minerals in them. Waterspots are a problem in my detailing field and usually most cars don't have newer water spots but ones that have been there on years. Both on paint and glass. A lot of the time I can't get them off even with a Rupes Bigfoot and compound(Megs 110). Would using a waterspot remover before hand be more effective and make me remove such spots?
Yes using a Waterspot remover will make the polishing easier. Also if they are deeply etched, you and the customers will just have to learn to live with them. You can teach your customers that are not happy how to safely wash their vehicles, and encourage them to get a coating as soon as they purchase a new car.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thank you so much Yvan. And yes I do. It always kills me inside that I can't do more tho, but not at the expense of having to sand that much clear coat
Hello Yvan 👋 . My name is Alberto from fort worth Texas. Do you have any plans to visit us on the future? It will be a great pleasure to meet you and learn more about detailing.
So Caribana wax is your best bet at preventing them. So would a paint sealant also be an effective way of preventing water spots? Now, if you already have them what products would you recommend to remove them?
@@Detailers-Business-Academy sorry , I should have been more specific. there are some water spot removers I have tried that really don't work. So besides Wheel acid are there some MDR's that you have tested or familiar with that are successful in removing them. Thank you.
Hello Yvan. This video might be the one that I was hoping to find for a very long time, because my worst detailing nightmare has to do with water spot "prevention", so I was very carefully listening to the last part of the video. Actually, I'm surely one of the few that ABSOLUTELY HATES beads, specifically because of that, but I'm also a big fan of coatings because of their oxydation and UV protection properties. So please help me out here. What do I have to do with my coating shopping to make sure I do get spot prevention in the product, in other words hydrophilic as you said, and that it's really a good quality one. Actually are you comfortable in recommending a few? Thanks! :-)
@@Detailers-Business-Academy OK and are you comfortable in recommending a few or it's something you prefer not to do? I can definitely understand if it's the case! :-)
Apex surface protection makes a topper called rehydrate sheet . It promotes sheeting over beading , but he even tells you unless you flush a panel with water, it will still bead .
@@stevejames1563 Yeah Steve I did see that video. The problem I have with that is when you start flushing panels, it comes down to the same result which is the need to do a full wash again. I think I will just forget the whole thing and just use a waterless product to get rid of the water stains. Thanks for your reply anyways! :-)
Yes they are some wax’s that bond to coating’s and we all know that wax’s don’t last that long but they are so easy long install. Most water spots are on the hood , top and trunk so you only have to coat does surfaces and only in the time of the year that the sun is really hot to burn the clear. No it is not the magical solution for everyone but it is still one solution to keep in are arsenal of trick and hacks…
Those claims are usually not very accurate. The average car has 10 square meters of paint. 1 ml spread over 1 square M gives you one micron of thickness. To get 20 microns on the paint you would need to apply a minimum of 200ml. Add to that solvent evaporation, and what you wipe off. Realistically to get 20 microns you need to apply 400+ ml
Chicago Auto Pros just did a video where they measured the increased thickness of paint after coating with many pro coatings. 1-2 microns on all of them.
System x claim one of there coatings can go upto 20 microns but the bottle is only 30ml , no where near 400ml, I would agree that you would get something like 1-2 microns
@@tommyholt3465 actually that’s exactly who’s channel said system x claim upto 20 microns on there coating , I think it was which coating is the best and he showed us lots of pro coatings
@@ImranAli-rp4kd all marketing. It's easy to take a square foot and keep applying coating till its 20 micron thick...then use that in a manipulative way in marketing. The kind of marketing designed to trick people.
Yes, water spots for anyone is a nightmare 😄🤦🏽♂️ that's why I try to teach people to better use sheeting instead of beading products too😄😄 unfortunately people want to see beading because they think the vehicle is then protected 🤦🏽♂️😄
Rocks on plastic. Minerals on clear coat. That is an analogy that I think will resonate with customers. Thanks for your insightful way of simplifying things so that troglodytes like myself can better communicate with customers.
I’ve been dealing with consumers for 40 years, I’ve figured out ways of telling things to customers that is efficient.
Thank you again for your teaching 😊
I just had this happen to a Volvo I did a two step correction on the paint and coated it with a ceramic coating.
All good until two weeks later when the customer came back for the washing course and there were water spots on all horizontal surfaces 😞
Initially I thought they were on top of the ceramic coating but turned out the customer had had problems with water spots on his cars in the past.
So what happened is I didn't notice the water spots were there when I polished and ceramic coated the car.
In the end I had to remove the coating and use mineral deposits remover, polish and recoat. Problem solved ☺️👍
I continue to learn and especially from you Yvan so thank you 🙏
Thank you! I learn every day as well.
In a diy side at least in France it is common knowledge that white vinegar is helping to breaking the minerals because of the acidic aspect of it.
Water spots reminds me a black car i once detailed. She was fully covered of water spots and oxydation and other things the before/after pics are still ones of my best I think.
Best regards from France Yvan
Merci!
Solid gold advice. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Hi.
Greetings from Sweden.
I just wanna say thank you for informative videos and great explaining. I'm just a amateur taking care of my own vehicles but I find many things in you videos that apply to me too.
Thank you!
Always glad to soak up the nuggets of knowledge
Thank you!
Thanks Yvan from Australia currently coming into winter here so very interesting topic !
Thank you
I use a inline RV water filter, and it does a surprisingly good job, not perfect, but a noticeable cut back in water spots!
Excellent!
Thanks for sharing your experience
Thank you for watching!
Another amazing and informative episode.
Thank you
Been following for awhile. Another great video
Thank you
Great info, as always. And I always remind people each drop has a certain amount of chemicals in it. As the water evaporates, it concentrates the chemicals, which makes etching all the faster. Hope to see you at SDC.
Unfortunately not this year for SDC.
Yvan, thank you for another great video. This question is unrelated, but I figured you’d see this sooner than me commenting on a previous video. When it comes to cleaning leather with the DA, do you use a microfiber finishing pad or cutting pad? Would the cutting pad be too aggressive or does it not matter which one you use as long as it’s microfiber? Thank you for all you do.
Really makes no difference.
Great tips as always, Yvan. Thank you. If water spots appear on a ceramic coated car, are these typically removable just with a chemical mineral remover? Or does the coating also become "etched" the way clear coat does (and therefore needs polishing afterward)"?
If removed soon enough the minerals don’t etch into the coating.
I love meguiar's water spot remover with DA!
Nice
Fantastic vid and super explanation thank you sir 🙏👏👏👏👏👏⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thank you
Great Information , Love Your Channel 😎. When using something strong like wheel acid, should you only do one panel at a time ? And also sounds like Apex Surface Protections ReHydra-Sheet is a great option to put over coatings. Thanks 😊
Yes, definitely work in small contrôlable sections.
wow I didn't know wax can prevent water spots. that's cool info!
Thanks
@@Detailers-Business-Academy does spray wax with both carnauba and polymer technology work, or do you want a pure carnauba spray wax? Im finding a lot of carnauba/polymer products, not sure which ones are pure carnauba sprax wax
Having some Carnauda is good.
Mr. Lacroix gave me the wax tip over a year ago and I haven't had a water spotting issue on my ceramic coating since. It really works, Many thanks!
Thanks for reporting back.
I thought a wax wouldn’t be good on top of a ceramic coating. Good to know.
What are you using, Paste or spray wax ?
A spray wax as a drying aid works well.
Thanks Yvan! I have a customer in a few weeks with bad water spots on the paint and glass. I'm a little nervous letting the acid dwell too long on the glass in case I accidentally etch it
Polish the glass
superb
Thank you
The wax idea is very interesting. I never would have thought to allow the minerals to be washed away when the wax wears off.
Old tech sometimes has advantages.
So much information in this video. I always had a feeling wax was the ticket to having that protective layer.
So would thebbest form of protection be possibly to use a Sio2 spray sealant or a nano coating. And then top it with a non abrasive wax ever now and then? That has the same or close the same hydrophobic effects?
Or if you go with a nano coating, I guess just take care of the car , avoid letting water dry, and use a coating safe waterspot remover as needed?
A coating is the best foundation, a wax on top.
good advice as always yvan
Thank you
Short vids for the win! Good stuff Yvan!
Thank you
Hi thanks for all great info you provide. I wonder,i have coating sonax one om my car. And have goth bird poop that have left stanse in clearcoat. Traid onr but dident hjelp. What can i do?
Try a more agressive cleaner like an APC.
Très bien dit, Merci!
Merci à vous!
I let iron remover dry on my car in the hot sun. The paint was OK, but the black plastic around the wheel wells and on the B pillar have stubborn "water" spots (presumably minerals of some kind). I've tried vinegar and Barkeeper's Friend, which lightened them, but not all the way. Would polishing with a cutting compound be my next step?
Great video as always.
On plastic I wouldn’t use compound. A light polish will help.
My personal preference is the sheeting affect,there abilities to gather the water and flush it off.Beading is lovely if that’s your cup of tea.But I find they spot.
Unfortunately even products that promote sheeting will still bead if there isn’t enough water on the surface.
Thanks you for all your tips its really help us in the business, i have 1 questions can your tell us the scientific name of the acid which use to remove mineral water spot
Just about any acid will break down the minerals in water spots.
Do the water spots on glass etch or are they more surface deposits? I see these often on sunroofs after cleaning the car while drying the roofs.
Most can be polished off
This is amazing explanation! 😳 Thanks so much Ivan. Any plans to travel to Europe? :)
I’m looking forward to being invited.
Good morning sir. Does rainwater also have minerals in it, typically? Or mainly untreated ground water/well water?
Rain water doesn’t typically cause waterspots
Do you recommend wheel acid (diluted?) over dedicated water spot removers? It seems like many water spot removers aren't very effective.
I prefer the safer alternative.
Merci pour le conseil de faire un traitement de minéraux avant le polissage!
Avec plaisir!
Excellent knowledge as always. Great explanation.
Wouldn’t be best option not to have water spots to hand dry a vehicle after wash ??? Lol just a thought
Yes, but not every car owner wants to do that.
Are some coatings better at avoiding water spots? Like a coating that contains SiC ?
Coatings that contain Graphene are less prone to water spots.
What about 5% vinegar in a spray bottle And onr quick detailer dilution 1:16
Both gave me decent results removing water spots.
For mild water spots, yes.
Thanks for the info. What besides graphene might one look for in a coating to minimize the occurrence of water spots?
There’s a few new technologies arriving soon that will perform as well as Graphene
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Good to know! 👍🏻
@@Detailers-Business-Academy what are these new products you're speaking of?
At the moment they are protected by NDA’s
Some shampoos like the (fairly) new carpro descale remove waterspots as well.
Thank you for commenting
As a mobile detailer, I was curious if it would be beneficial to add ONR to my water tank to soften the water and help reduce mineral deposits. I guess the biggest question would be if even in small amounts would this harm my pressure washer?
No harm to your pressure washer. Yes it can help in many ways.
Hi monsieur Lacroix, sorry for asking a question about a different subject, in my country, they don't sell special detergent for microfiber towels so what would be your suggestion for me to clean them up safely preferably in a washing machine?
Use a liquid detergent without bleach, fragrance, or fabric softener. Add a cup of white vinegar to the machine where you would normally add the bleach.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thank you very much sir.
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Hi Yvan, hopefully you could help. I live in Africa so in some instances we only have access to borehole water, which as you know has even more minerals in them. Waterspots are a problem in my detailing field and usually most cars don't have newer water spots but ones that have been there on years. Both on paint and glass. A lot of the time I can't get them off even with a Rupes Bigfoot and compound(Megs 110). Would using a waterspot remover before hand be more effective and make me remove such spots?
Yes using a Waterspot remover will make the polishing easier. Also if they are deeply etched, you and the customers will just have to learn to live with them. You can teach your customers that are not happy how to safely wash their vehicles, and encourage them to get a coating as soon as they purchase a new car.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thank you so much Yvan. And yes I do. It always kills me inside that I can't do more tho, but not at the expense of having to sand that much clear coat
Keep in mind that it’s not your fault.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thank you so much for the kind words
Do you think De-Ionizer systems are worthwhile in terms of prevention?
Proper technique does a better job.
Hello Yvan 👋 . My name is Alberto from fort worth Texas. Do you have any plans to visit us on the future? It will be a great pleasure to meet you and learn more about detailing.
I can come for a training session if you like. Simply gather 10 detailers, and I am on my way.
Are you coming to the Vancouver area anytime soon?
If you can organize 10 Detailers, I’m on my way
So Caribana wax is your best bet at preventing them. So would a paint sealant also be an effective way of preventing water spots?
Now, if you already have them what products would you recommend to remove them?
To remove them a water spot remover, to prevent them a wax is best.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy
sorry , I should have been more specific. there are some water spot removers I have tried that really don't work. So besides Wheel acid are there some MDR's that you have tested or familiar with that are successful in removing them.
Thank you.
A water spot removes the minerals, you may need to polish to remove the etching.
Hello Yvan. This video might be the one that I was hoping to find for a very long time, because my worst detailing nightmare has to do with water spot "prevention", so I was very carefully listening to the last part of the video. Actually, I'm surely one of the few that ABSOLUTELY HATES beads, specifically because of that, but I'm also a big fan of coatings because of their oxydation and UV protection properties. So please help me out here. What do I have to do with my coating shopping to make sure I do get spot prevention in the product, in other words hydrophilic as you said, and that it's really a good quality one. Actually are you comfortable in recommending a few? Thanks! :-)
There are no hydrophilic coatings that I know of, but there are some that promote sheeting over beading.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy OK and are you comfortable in recommending a few or it's something you prefer not to do? I can definitely understand if it's the case! :-)
Apex surface protection makes a topper called rehydrate sheet . It promotes sheeting over beading , but he even tells you unless you flush a panel with water, it will still bead .
@@stevejames1563 Yeah Steve I did see that video. The problem I have with that is when you start flushing panels, it comes down to the same result which is the need to do a full wash again. I think I will just forget the whole thing and just use a waterless product to get rid of the water stains. Thanks for your reply anyways! :-)
Correct, sheeting is unfortunately dependent on water volume.
So the next question is ……. Should we be topping are coating with a wax……..? That would be a very interesting test to do….
You can if your customer is prone to water spots.
If the wax bonds to the coating....
It will, but not for long.
Yes they are some wax’s that bond to coating’s and we all know that wax’s don’t last that long but they are so easy long install. Most water spots are on the hood , top and trunk so you only have to coat does surfaces and only in the time of the year that the sun is really hot to burn the clear. No it is not the magical solution for everyone but it is still one solution to keep in are arsenal of trick and hacks…
What wax do you recommend?
A non abrasive spray wax.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Optimum makes one......hehh
As do many others.
Some coatings claim they are upto 20 microns and if that’s the case then the water spot should just stay on the coating and never touch the clear coat
Those claims are usually not very accurate.
The average car has 10 square meters of paint. 1 ml spread over 1 square M gives you one micron of thickness. To get 20 microns on the paint you would need to apply a minimum of 200ml. Add to that solvent evaporation, and what you wipe off. Realistically to get 20 microns you need to apply 400+ ml
Chicago Auto Pros just did a video where they measured the increased thickness of paint after coating with many pro coatings. 1-2 microns on all of them.
System x claim one of there coatings can go upto 20 microns but the bottle is only 30ml , no where near 400ml, I would agree that you would get something like 1-2 microns
@@tommyholt3465 actually that’s exactly who’s channel said system x claim upto 20 microns on there coating , I think it was which coating is the best and he showed us lots of pro coatings
@@ImranAli-rp4kd all marketing. It's easy to take a square foot and keep applying coating till its 20 micron thick...then use that in a manipulative way in marketing. The kind of marketing designed to trick people.
Yes, water spots for anyone is a nightmare 😄🤦🏽♂️ that's why I try to teach people to better use sheeting instead of beading products too😄😄 unfortunately people want to see beading because they think the vehicle is then protected 🤦🏽♂️😄
Good plan
Yea that would help,!I need a list of the products that sheet more than beading
@@abelcelestinjr8810 only product that i know is Apex detail's, they have hydra sheet
Yes so true Humberto. I have found Dr. Beasley’s does have a lite coating that sheets, not exciting if you love beads of water dancing off
@@eudoc1982 exactly the one I mostly use too besides Lithium's Seal and Squeal 👌👌👌 also Brilliant Shine beads a bit but sheet a lot.
You could just rinseless wash and avoid water spots
Agreed
1st
Thank you