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Taking a trip to Alaska this Summer, could be nice for that! I didn't even think I'd bother packing a drone, but this might be worth getting just for the trip!
Yeah, it opens up those kinds of possibilities where you would not consider it before. For most people sitting on their couch at home not doing anything, this wouldn't make any sense for them.
I'm actually quite surprised by the price it's going for considering the complexity and parts on offer, that's pretty neat. It's a very clever design overall, and one I could definitely see me picking up for travel purposes, though, once I get a bit better at landing, the clearance there is a bit tight, solid point on doing it in angle mode or so, and ELRS totally makes it my jam.
it's interesting seeing how things are cyclic, but comeback more compact and/or better. I remember the times of carbon tubes, and also things wanting to look mavic like. I'm glad there are new designs.
The sound actually reminds me of the old Hubsan H501s. I remember there being a aftermarket aluminum frame for that quad that folded in a very similar fashion. This things actually pretty neat looking and could definitely find a use in a small day bag when you dont want to lug a big quad around with you.
I saw this and thought, who needs to have folding legs on a fpv drone. Then, realizing it kinda fits a lot of roles (kinda cinema, kinda lr, kinda docile and fun ripper), thought it was cool but not for me…. Then I saw the price and I want an HD one bad. Knowing your going for a rip and bringing some drones is cool, but to be able to keep this in the car and take a quick flight if you see something cool is indispensable. Kinda what I would do with my DJI spark… Cheap drone that was “good enough” at many things.
Yeah, it's not for everyone but still very useful for some people and some situations. So many people think that only products that are the "best" at everything for everyone should be made and that's the dumbest concept I've ever heard.
Glad to see more design options when building an FPV Drone, hopefully these foldable designs can catch up quickly and maintain almost the same performance as the regular non-folding drones.
As someone who has been designing FPV folding XClass drones, the problem I’ve discovered is that most standard FPV multi rotors use a “tube and plate” design, carbon fiber tubes and plates. So designing prototype “folding mechanism” with a combination of tubes, plates, and 3D prints adds so much bulk and weight to the design. On an XClass with 25mm arms, I created a 3D printed design that uses a 3mm carbon fiber plate as a safety lock for my folding mechanism and it works well, but just adds so much size to the arms. I integrated the legs into the next iteration of that design, and it definitely hides a lot of that. I’ve been designing molds to start hand laying carbon fiber sheets to create a more polished shape. So we’ll see how that turns out.
Yeah, I actually like it more than I thought I would. I probably won't go out right away and buy one for myself because I'm not planning on flying anywhere soon, where I would need to pack one in a suitcase, and another reason is; that I still crash a lot. I wouldn't want to crash this one as hard as some of the crashes that I've had. The design is pretty complex and you can see that a lot of thought has gone into the design of this one. I like that they didn't copy the way that other store-bought drone's arms fold, they actually utilized a new design. I'm sure this will sell pretty well to the people that travel with their drones or even just drive to their local park or school to fly, then you also have the people that have to buy something just because it's the newest technology and different from what people are used to seeing. I live on 17 1/2 acres and have a 22-acre field across the street from my house with trees, open space, and hardly any neighbors, so I just fly from my front yard and don't need a folding drone at this time. I do like it though, it's a pretty cool idea. Thanks for sharing.
Great review of something different. Never really thought about folding arms on my Quadcopter. I can see the appeal, easier to pack for sure. Been watching Tommy's series on the community build. Definitely a desire out there for foldable drones. Really curious to see what he comes up with. Happy flying everyone. 👍💖🤓
the folding concept has always been kind of neat but like i told Tommy on his community build, it's going to introduce some noise/vibration somewhere. his is going to be a freestyle quad whereas this is more of a LR/Cine-type so noise/vibration shouldn't be too much of an issue. not sure i would use it much but would still be a nice piece of kit for the toolbox.
@@AlbertKimTV absolutely man, I’m glad to see it though. It’s hard to invent anything completely original anymore, so seeing people innovate within a field is great
Out of the box design for sure! Impressive quoted flight times also... I like ! The careful landing needed because of the short clearance is a bit of a bummer but not a huge deal. Overall very good ! 👌Good review Albert !
I don’t know if it’s the next big thing, but it does look like cute robots. (After actually watching the video I could see a niche for this. It sounds a lot like a Mavic.)
When it's fully open, it reminds me a bit of the more classic or large-scale designs that used to utilize round carbon fiber tubing. Does anyone know why nobody seems to use round tubes in small drone design anymore? Cost? Vibration? Complexity of design?
Good Video. I think that many people think that something should be this way or it shouldn't be that way. I suspect that their market is a specific one. I'm unsure which one, they are hoping to fit into, but it's perhaps the start of something we have yet to see. Thanks for the into to something different.
It's INAV compatible but I think only INAV experts should install/use it. INAV BNF is kinda dangerous when people can barely get Betaflight running. INAV needs to be more user friendly to come pre-installed.
Around last year I've seen people modding dji mini 2 frame with fpv drones parts like esc, motor, fc etc... Though it might not be as durable compared to carbon fibre frames
Fascinating. I can’t decide how I feel about it. I’d love to have it just because it’s odd and different. On the other hand, the complex frame design does not look fun to work on should a part fail. I need to see more! Quick, Albert, tear it apart and show us how fun it is to replace the AIO (I’m nervous about that 40a ESC) and put it back together 😂🤣. I’m looking forward to see what Tommy and the gang come up with. After watching his vid earlier this week, looks like their offering is definitely more build / maintain / repair friendly. I don’t know, this looks fun and I’m all about the fun. Thanks for the great review.
just out of curiosity. Do you think that it could except 7 inch props? it looks like there's some space in between the end of the props and the feet that stick down. I am contemplating buying this for a long range build as I've just moved somewhere where I hike every weekend.
It would be nice to have, just to say I own one. But durability for sure, will be lower. Then the added weight of all the hardware for the folding. But I definitely would still give one a rip, just to feel for myself!!
Only for the convenience offered, but then the loss in durability being acceptable also means carbon less of a priority and 3D printed designs more viable. So what if you break an arm when you have 10 spares, kind of thing.
@@AlbertKimTV I wasn't questioning the durability of this particular craft, but any folding craft, even if only few to choose from now will have sacrificed durability, weight and airframes space for the mechanisms. On the flip side probably breakages will be in the smaller custom but easier to replace parts, such as pin in hinge rather than snapping an arm. So actual point is people stick to what's established and until now maximum durability was priority, maybe folders can shift the perspective which will gain 3D printing more value, as again the broken parts, whilst less durable can easily be replaced.
What is the bottom plate of the frame made of? It looks like the top plate is carbon fiber of course, but the bottom one has some 3d features modeled into it, curious as to what it's made of for durability reasons.
Thanks for the review! As a landscape photographer/filmmaker I thought this was a great concept and it was nice to see a full review. Was thinking about getting just the frame and kind of custom building it to carry my small cinema camera, but definitely worried about the weight and vibrations. Also, the top mount battery could definitely be an issue. What is the weight of the full dji build without a battery? Also, what kind of actual flight time did you get with that naked GoPro? Thanks!
This can't carry the weight of a small cinema camera. The motors are too small. I think the weight is listed on the product page. Links are in the description.
Different design. Some camera drones fold in a similar manner. The power egg comes to mind. But Tommy's Ummaggad Community build folding quad will beat this design.
It seems to be pretty reasonably priced for what it is, I’m just wondering if the 2203 motors are really big enough to spin a 6 inch prop, especially in windy conditions.
This is not for me... I think... Does folding actually reduce the volume of the quad, or just change the shape? I'm sure there's a (niche) market though! But I prefer my quads durable 😜
I’d like a closer comparison between this and another 6” long ranger to see if the trade offs are worth being able to pack it down. Also what is your favorite long range drone that can carry a full GoPro? And what battery do you use for the longes flights? I have the flywoo explorer that I’m using with an Insta360 go2 for my “mountain surfer” but I definitely want something bigger and more powerful.
For a full GoPro long range, it's the Chimera7. Definitely not gonna fit that monster in a back pack. I fly that with a 6S 3300mah for about 17-19 minutes of flight. This folding drone might be able to do that with the Bones on a much smaller lipo. I might be switching to this and the Bones.
@@AlbertKimTV thank you. Is that the flight time with a GoPro? I’m pretty sold. Thanks for your responses. I really appreciate a content producer that actually answers questions and helps their audience.
@@crashmode3401 There's a screen grab in the video around the 16 minute mark showing the flight times on the 1700mah 6S lipo with various action cameras.
So i bought this quadcopter and found that no matter what I do, I end up with some vibration. I have tuned again and again, but still end up with jitters. Did you fly with with stock PIDS or did you have to tune it? And did you have any vibration issues? Thanks!
Flew it with stock PIDs but it can use some additional tuning. The vibrations are probably from the set of props you are using. I suggest trying different props first before altering the PIDs.
@AlbertKimTV hey thanks for responding! I immediately put new props before tuning (I should have said that), do you recommend a particular prop that might go well with that motor?
I dont think folding drone use less space than non folding drone. It is not just drone what you need. You also need goggles, transmiter, bateries, charger...
@@AlbertKimTV LS250 Cicada, It Is A Carbon Fiber And Aluminum 250mm Folding Frame. It's Arms Would Slide Back And Look Like A Cicada When Folded. Arms Didn't Have A Proper Lock Mechanism Though. Needs To Be Revised Not Only That The Arms And Top Plate Would Snap Or Crack From A Light Crash, Cool Idea Though.
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Taking a trip to Alaska this Summer, could be nice for that! I didn't even think I'd bother packing a drone, but this might be worth getting just for the trip!
Yeah, it opens up those kinds of possibilities where you would not consider it before. For most people sitting on their couch at home not doing anything, this wouldn't make any sense for them.
Evolution of FPV is inevitable. If we're all still flying the same 5-inch freestyle or racing models in 5 years, it will be surprising.
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I'm actually quite surprised by the price it's going for considering the complexity and parts on offer, that's pretty neat. It's a very clever design overall, and one I could definitely see me picking up for travel purposes, though, once I get a bit better at landing, the clearance there is a bit tight, solid point on doing it in angle mode or so, and ELRS totally makes it my jam.
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it's interesting seeing how things are cyclic, but comeback more compact and/or better. I remember the times of carbon tubes, and also things wanting to look mavic like. I'm glad there are new designs.
Things always seem to get smaller as time moves on.
The sound actually reminds me of the old Hubsan H501s. I remember there being a aftermarket aluminum frame for that quad that folded in a very similar fashion. This things actually pretty neat looking and could definitely find a use in a small day bag when you dont want to lug a big quad around with you.
It does!
Great info (as always).
Wanted to say thank you for taking the time in giving us/me your open honest opinion / review.
My pleasure!
The basic ideas for frames has been settled. This is a cool idea to make it strong and compact.
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I saw this and thought, who needs to have folding legs on a fpv drone. Then, realizing it kinda fits a lot of roles (kinda cinema, kinda lr, kinda docile and fun ripper), thought it was cool but not for me…. Then I saw the price and I want an HD one bad. Knowing your going for a rip and bringing some drones is cool, but to be able to keep this in the car and take a quick flight if you see something cool is indispensable. Kinda what I would do with my DJI spark… Cheap drone that was “good enough” at many things.
Yeah, it's not for everyone but still very useful for some people and some situations. So many people think that only products that are the "best" at everything for everyone should be made and that's the dumbest concept I've ever heard.
Glad to see more design options when building an FPV Drone, hopefully these foldable designs can catch up quickly and maintain almost the same performance as the regular non-folding drones.
You and me both!
Looks perfect for some very niche kind of fpv on the go. Also nice flight time too. It's an exploratory model.
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Really like weird and interesting stuff like this, particularly when it looks well executed
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As someone who has been designing FPV folding XClass drones, the problem I’ve discovered is that most standard FPV multi rotors use a “tube and plate” design, carbon fiber tubes and plates. So designing prototype “folding mechanism” with a combination of tubes, plates, and 3D prints adds so much bulk and weight to the design. On an XClass with 25mm arms, I created a 3D printed design that uses a 3mm carbon fiber plate as a safety lock for my folding mechanism and it works well, but just adds so much size to the arms. I integrated the legs into the next iteration of that design, and it definitely hides a lot of that. I’ve been designing molds to start hand laying carbon fiber sheets to create a more polished shape. So we’ll see how that turns out.
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The folding frame drone is a very interesting idea! Opens new frontiers to fpv…
I think so too!
Cool quad!!!
Well made frame AxisFlying
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I can see myself using a folding drone someday. I don't know what day, but it'll be some day.
I'm sure even better designs will come out in the future too. 😁
Yeah, I actually like it more than I thought I would. I probably won't go out right away and buy one for myself because I'm not planning on flying anywhere soon, where I would need to pack one in a suitcase, and another reason is; that I still crash a lot. I wouldn't want to crash this one as hard as some of the crashes that I've had. The design is pretty complex and you can see that a lot of thought has gone into the design of this one. I like that they didn't copy the way that other store-bought drone's arms fold, they actually utilized a new design. I'm sure this will sell pretty well to the people that travel with their drones or even just drive to their local park or school to fly, then you also have the people that have to buy something just because it's the newest technology and different from what people are used to seeing. I live on 17 1/2 acres and have a 22-acre field across the street from my house with trees, open space, and hardly any neighbors, so I just fly from my front yard and don't need a folding drone at this time. I do like it though, it's a pretty cool idea. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Great review of something different. Never really thought about folding arms on my Quadcopter. I can see the appeal, easier to pack for sure. Been watching Tommy's series on the community build. Definitely a desire out there for foldable drones. Really curious to see what he comes up with. Happy flying everyone. 👍💖🤓
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the folding concept has always been kind of neat but like i told Tommy on his community build, it's going to introduce some noise/vibration somewhere. his is going to be a freestyle quad whereas this is more of a LR/Cine-type so noise/vibration shouldn't be too much of an issue. not sure i would use it much but would still be a nice piece of kit for the toolbox.
This design is gonna be a lot more challenging!
It’s funny how fpv circles back around. I remember folding drones were popular back in the kk and multi wii days.
That's how it is with trends. Look at fashion. Trends 20 years ago are back in style again.
@@AlbertKimTV absolutely man, I’m glad to see it though. It’s hard to invent anything completely original anymore, so seeing people innovate within a field is great
Out of the box design for sure! Impressive quoted flight times also... I like ! The careful landing needed because of the short clearance is a bit of a bummer but not a huge deal. Overall very good ! 👌Good review Albert !
Glad you enjoyed it
Sounds like my DJI mini 2, i think i will buy it.
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I don’t know if it’s the next big thing, but it does look like cute robots. (After actually watching the video I could see a niche for this. It sounds a lot like a Mavic.)
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Really like this drone... hoping they can ship to UK
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SUPER quad folding Great vídeo and Review 👌👌💙
Thank you 🤗
Looks like a good travel drone, especially if the GPS rescue gets fixed.
I had to do some mod to fix the GPS which will be shown in a future video. Getting 12-15 satellites now.
@@AlbertKimTV 👍🏼 good work.
When it's fully open, it reminds me a bit of the more classic or large-scale designs that used to utilize round carbon fiber tubing. Does anyone know why nobody seems to use round tubes in small drone design anymore? Cost? Vibration? Complexity of design?
Probably cost. It's likely cheaper to cut a whole bunch of arms from a sheet of carbon
I'd guess the cost of parts and labor.
Good Video. I think that many people think that something should be this way or it shouldn't be that way. I suspect that their market is a specific one. I'm unsure which one, they are hoping to fit into, but it's perhaps the start of something we have yet to see. Thanks for the into to something different.
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Just ordered that bnf already. I wish they refresh the hex or y6 design.
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@@AlbertKimTV received the analogue vtx and crossfire bnf today
Reminds Me Of RoboTech...😀😀😁
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Dn this seems so interesting.. 6" should be able to carry a hero10 no issue
Yes, it can. I was testing vibrations on a lighter setup.
Awesome flying and review, Albert! 😃
Pretty interesting quad indeed! But I would've chosen iNav for it!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
It's INAV compatible but I think only INAV experts should install/use it. INAV BNF is kinda dangerous when people can barely get Betaflight running. INAV needs to be more user friendly to come pre-installed.
@@AlbertKimTV Not if it's well installed and configured. Could be great!
Around last year I've seen people modding dji mini 2 frame with fpv drones parts like esc, motor, fc etc... Though it might not be as durable compared to carbon fibre frames
Yeah, it's always fun to experiment.
Fascinating. I can’t decide how I feel about it. I’d love to have it just because it’s odd and different. On the other hand, the complex frame design does not look fun to work on should a part fail. I need to see more! Quick, Albert, tear it apart and show us how fun it is to replace the AIO (I’m nervous about that 40a ESC) and put it back together 😂🤣. I’m looking forward to see what Tommy and the gang come up with. After watching his vid earlier this week, looks like their offering is definitely more build / maintain / repair friendly. I don’t know, this looks fun and I’m all about the fun. Thanks for the great review.
I think getting at the AIO is not that bad. It's mounted with the TPU part on the bottom. Getting to the Vista looks pretty tough.
i do like it
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just out of curiosity. Do you think that it could except 7 inch props? it looks like there's some space in between the end of the props and the feet that stick down. I am contemplating buying this for a long range build as I've just moved somewhere where I hike every weekend.
It might but I have not tested it. The props that close will interfere with each other
Question; This drone is delivered using INAV?
If it does use INAV, then it may have more options for semi-new folks starting with FPV?
Thanks!
Comes with Betaflight, INAV compatible but the end-user will have to install and configure it.
@@AlbertKimTV Thanks! I did forget to ask, have you had better luck with locking in more Sats?
Wow that's relatively cheap. Kinda want it now
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Damn I’m not first this time but Albert that drone looks awesome but bulky ngl but still aseomr
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It would be nice to have, just to say I own one. But durability for sure, will be lower. Then the added weight of all the hardware for the folding. But I definitely would still give one a rip, just to feel for myself!!
I think the best use case is for travel and taking up less space.
Only for the convenience offered, but then the loss in durability being acceptable also means carbon less of a priority and 3D printed designs more viable. So what if you break an arm when you have 10 spares, kind of thing.
The importance of durability is vague at best and I wouldn't assume this will break unless it's a really bad crash.
@@AlbertKimTV I wasn't questioning the durability of this particular craft, but any folding craft, even if only few to choose from now will have sacrificed durability, weight and airframes space for the mechanisms. On the flip side probably breakages will be in the smaller custom but easier to replace parts, such as pin in hinge rather than snapping an arm.
So actual point is people stick to what's established and until now maximum durability was priority, maybe folders can shift the perspective which will gain 3D printing more value, as again the broken parts, whilst less durable can easily be replaced.
Very nice
Thanks
What is the bottom plate of the frame made of? It looks like the top plate is carbon fiber of course, but the bottom one has some 3d features modeled into it, curious as to what it's made of for durability reasons.
Bottom plate is carbon. The FC is attached to it. The 3D printed part is a cover over the FC and also holds the LEDs.
Thanks for the review! As a landscape photographer/filmmaker I thought this was a great concept and it was nice to see a full review. Was thinking about getting just the frame and kind of custom building it to carry my small cinema camera, but definitely worried about the weight and vibrations. Also, the top mount battery could definitely be an issue. What is the weight of the full dji build without a battery? Also, what kind of actual flight time did you get with that naked GoPro? Thanks!
This can't carry the weight of a small cinema camera. The motors are too small. I think the weight is listed on the product page. Links are in the description.
Nice review mate, greetings team #bckflp
Much appreciated!
Different design. Some camera drones fold in a similar manner. The power egg comes to mind. But Tommy's Ummaggad Community build folding quad will beat this design.
So confident!
It seems to be pretty reasonably priced for what it is, I’m just wondering if the 2203 motors are really big enough to spin a 6 inch prop, especially in windy conditions.
It is as long as you're not expecting it to be a racing performer.
Does portability outweigh overall rigidity though??? Idk, I’m sure one day it could be negligent!
I'm not sure what this question means.
@@AlbertKimTV folding drones are easier to carry around, but how can it hold up to the same crashes? That’s what I meant
So a portable LR?
Yeah, that's pretty much what this is.
For some reason when it's all folded I get reminded of the "you get butter" robot from Rick and Morty.
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This is not for me... I think...
Does folding actually reduce the volume of the quad, or just change the shape?
I'm sure there's a (niche) market though! But I prefer my quads durable 😜
Yeah, the space it takes up is reduced by a lot.
I’d like a closer comparison between this and another 6” long ranger to see if the trade offs are worth being able to pack it down. Also what is your favorite long range drone that can carry a full GoPro? And what battery do you use for the longes flights? I have the flywoo explorer that I’m using with an Insta360 go2 for my “mountain surfer” but I definitely want something bigger and more powerful.
For a full GoPro long range, it's the Chimera7. Definitely not gonna fit that monster in a back pack. I fly that with a 6S 3300mah for about 17-19 minutes of flight. This folding drone might be able to do that with the Bones on a much smaller lipo. I might be switching to this and the Bones.
@@AlbertKimTV thank you. Is that the flight time with a GoPro? I’m pretty sold. Thanks for your responses. I really appreciate a content producer that actually answers questions and helps their audience.
@@crashmode3401 There's a screen grab in the video around the 16 minute mark showing the flight times on the 1700mah 6S lipo with various action cameras.
So i bought this quadcopter and found that no matter what I do, I end up with some vibration. I have tuned again and again, but still end up with jitters. Did you fly with with stock PIDS or did you have to tune it? And did you have any vibration issues? Thanks!
Flew it with stock PIDs but it can use some additional tuning. The vibrations are probably from the set of props you are using. I suggest trying different props first before altering the PIDs.
@AlbertKimTV hey thanks for responding!
I immediately put new props before tuning (I should have said that), do you recommend a particular prop that might go well with that motor?
interesting....
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I dont think folding drone use less space than non folding drone. It is not just drone what you need. You also need goggles, transmiter, bateries, charger...
There's no way I can fit this drone into that bag I showed in the video without folding it.
OG Vortex started all this.
I have no clue what that is.
@@AlbertKimTV Folding quad from about six years ago, flying guy Aus immersionRC.
Unique😊…but doesn’t look like it’s built to last long. This looks high maintenance 🤷
Actually, I already had a small mishap and crashed it into a tree. It didn't explode! Looks can be deceiving!
The Cicada 250 Was Kinda Cool.
What was that?
@@AlbertKimTV LS250 Cicada, It Is A Carbon Fiber And Aluminum 250mm Folding Frame. It's Arms Would Slide Back And Look Like A Cicada When Folded. Arms Didn't Have A Proper Lock Mechanism Though. Needs To Be Revised Not Only That The Arms And Top Plate Would Snap Or Crack From A Light Crash, Cool Idea Though.
f.p.v. life
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I mean.. 6 inches is pretty average to me, you dont have to say it is tiny like that man..
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its a fun thing to see, but not something for me
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