In the law they are referenced as muffler or silencer, because muffler was (is) the technical but people doesn't use it because it doesn't sound cool, and silencer is the first brand so people called them that. Silencer is also marketing hype so people now calls them [muzzle report] suppressor because it sounds cool without hyping up the effect.
In Germany they are called "Schalldämpfer" which literally means "sound-dampener", but it is also the word used for a car muffler, so you can also translate it as "muffler."
It's interesting that in the US silencers are harder to acquire and own than the UK. In the UK it's simply an extension on the existing licence and just needs to be justified. Apparently 'hearing protection' is valid justification.
@@thecommissaruk As a license holder here in the UK I can confirm that obtaining a moderator is generally encouraged for hunting purposes with justifications being hearing protection, reduction in noise pollution and in some cases public safety. What is important to remember though is that here in the UK moderators are controlled in the same way as a firearm, so I cannot sell or buy one without authorisation from my local Police Constabulary. Strangely though this does not apply to moderators for Air Weapons, which can be purchased by anyone.
Like he said it's just hard to change now because there are so many ignorant people out there who don't know how/how well surpressors work due to things like the media and they are scared you'll see John Wick mall shootouts which is so far from the truth.
Many years ago I went to a Knob Creek shoot and a guy in the pole barn had an original transferable Chauchat for sale. As I was looking at it he mentioned that he had an original French silencer for it. I asked to see it and he handed me a bag containing an old grey moth-eaten blanket. He went on to state that it was to be wrapped around the gun when it broke during combat so it wouldn't make that loud "clank" when you had to start hitting people over the head with it. True story.
It seems strange that while here, in the UK, we cannot legally possess any pistol or revolver (unless it's either a muzzle-loader or has a long barrel and an overall length of at least 24 inches) and cannot possess a semi-auto rifle except in .22 rimfire - we can fit a suppressor to any weapon and are actively encouraged to do so. Well, it's a small country and sound travels!
We're also able to own and operate crossbows with no power limits without requiring a registration. Small calibre sporting Guns? "Wheres your license?!" Military Crossbow designed to kill a fully armored knight " go right ahead sir.."
@@MediumRareOpinions I know I'm being pedantic, but you're not getting through the armor of a fully armored knight with any projectile weapon that isn't powered chemically. If you could, there would be no point in having full armor. Even early firearms didn't go through armor - hell, a lot of modern stuff wouldn't be able to either.
Of course in the UK we can also own a 20mm cannon as long as it's bolt action and a magazine of 5 rounds or less . It's good to know we can fit a suppressor to it .
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I remember meeting Kevin at his office in Lilburn, Georgia to buy my first suppressor, YEARS ago. It was a Slim-Lite .22can, serial #38, threaded 3/8x24 for a PPK. A very quiet can…
I can still remember my first time hearing a Wilhelm. It was that hapless Stormtrooper that insisted on the high ground, but Luke just potted him like a plastoid duck on a pond. We all need "Wilhelmers" for our blasters.
I took my last deer using a 6.5 Creedmoor and a .30 cal Silencerco Harvester. First time hunting suppressed and I'm not sure I ever want to hunt unsupressed again.
@@helipilotuh1 is it so bad to swap the supressor around? getting a quickrelease suppressor and several muzzle devices to go with it has to be cheaper. if you go direct thread i will advide you look into a telescopic suppressor like this www.a-tec.no/silencers/hertz-rifle-silencers . since they go back over the barrel you get a lot more suppressor for the length added.
@@ravener96 It’s a 1st world problem I don’t want to have. Depending on the mount type it can be impossible to remove it if the suppressor is warm from firing. So if you’re at the range and shooting more than one gun, you have to sit there and wait. Plus you don’t have to worry about changing mount types on the suppressor to go from one gun to another. Specific caliber suppressors tend to work better on that caliber.
@@helipilotuh1 sure, i get that, i guess it depends of your weapon selection too. if you have say 5 556 weapons, having just 2 QD suppressors would let you have one cool off while the other is heating up. i do agree with caliber specific suppessors though. having one 556 can, one 9mm can, one 45 maybe if you shoot that and one do it all for large rifle. a 7.62 can works perfectly fine with 6.5 for example. dont let anyone stop you, get the suppressors. where i live they are unregulated so thats essentially what i would do anyway.
Everyone commenting about Kevin’s jumper with the Q on it. Everyone saying it’s a bad timing or conspiracy theories, meanwhile all I’m thinking is the reference to Q from the James Bond series.
im not a gun fan dont even own one, but this fella was such a elequent interesting guest. his insight and reasoning behind various suppressor questions was awesome. good luck to both of you fine bloke for the book. thanks
This is one of those things that are killing traditional media: we can skip the middle man, go to direct to the source. We can listen to Ian and Kevin without a journalist in the middle. No translation, no interpretation. Good.
When you believe you have sources without ideology, you are all the more open to the ideology contained in every single word that humans utter. Because you are incapable of becoming aware of it.
As far as Marine proof. I think everything that has been ever issued has met resistance from someone. I'm sure during the Mexican/American war some officers looked at the Colt revolvers and said, "These are too complicated and hard to maintain. We need musket pistols, something that's Militia proof."
That's funny, the Mexican-American war is actually when the stereotype of Marines breaking everything came from! They were issued the new 1819 Hall Rifle but had it taken away from them because they kept being broken or modified into a pistol.
Man, it'd be nice to have some kind of national association that tests rifles, maybe also pistols and suppressors and other accessories. Too bad such an association doesn't exist.
This was a great Q&A. Very informative. I appreciate Kevin's common sense approach to the subject. I am a little surprised that integral suppressors were not discussed. I'd love to hear Kevin's view on the pros vs cons.
I’m a former Special Forces operator and prior to that an infantryman in the 82nd Airborne back before we used or had available to us suppressors. In training I normally wore 1 ear plug so that I could hear what was going on. I’ve got significant hearing loss. I can still hold a conversation of course but it would be great to have my normal hearing back. On a related note, I can’t wait for the book to come out.
@@ScottKenny1978 If it's a non emergency situation, have onlookers also put on ear pro. I keep a bag of foam ear plugs in my range bag just for this reason. And it's an emergency weapons use.... better to be a little deaf than dead!
I spent the extra money to get amplified electric earmuffs so I could hear and shoot at the same time. I would rather have a suppressor, but since I spent just a bit less than half of what the tax on 1 suppressor is, and the muffs work for "all my guns" as it were, it was worthwhile. The amplification is also very interesting all by itself. Snapping twigs in stereo!
@@helipilotuh1 yeah, muff style earpro is only 18-21db attenuation for the slim line muffs that let you get a cheek weld. But the big "Mickey Mouse" earpro that you can't wear shooting a long gun can get 31db attenuation. Decibels are a logarithmic scale, so 10db is twice as much energy/power. 20db attenuation cuts the force to ¼, 30db cuts it to ⅛. Which is why I want cans for my hunting rifles.
They're also not fast enough to actually stop all the damage. I wear muffs if I'm shooting suppressed, and I add plugs under the muffs if I have to go neanderthal.
7:32 About the issue with oxygen in a suppressor and how it seems difficult to stop that, there's a manufacturer of suppressors that filled their suppressors with a type of soft sprayfoam in order to keep the noice of the first few shots down. That's the easiest way. I just don't remember who did that. However, there is also DB Foam who makes foam particularly for that reason. Wipes can also be effective for the "first round pop".
@@jabbott376 what would it matter if it was? everyone is entitled to believe what they want no matter how crazy someone else thinks it is. This is still America 🇺🇸. for now anyway.
Seeing as Qanon is a retcon mashup of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the blood libel, the negatives of millions of people being sucked into an anti-semitic hate-group seem rather obvious.
I propose that there was one exception: furniture. I've got a 1978 coffee table and it's a beauty. Some nice chairs and couches in that period also. Home decor not so much (too many patterns), but the furniture made of wood, leather, and metal rather than plastic or foam. EDIT: Hm, the coffee table is actually from 1968.... maybe I was wrong :P
Marine buddy of mine said during infantry school when they were teaching how to use claymores, one of the guys said, "Front toward enemy? But which side is the front?" Suffice to say he caught some shit for that one.
@@bigredone1030 Apparently this is common enough that there are more than a few r/relationship posts on Reddit with girlfriends complaining that their boyfriend won't clean their ass because its gay. What the actual fuck...
CGS is already producing a 3D printed can and it also happens to be the highest performing can in PewScience’s testing so far. Would really love to see you sit down with Jay from PewScience as well.
Thanks for the Q&A. If more videos follow it would be interesting to hear the ideal internal suppressor volume for standard calibers. With 5.56, 6.5, 6.8, 7.62, .338 being the most useful information.
I did not know the early Maxim stuff was so heavily on the rimfire side. The name "silencer" makes more sense that way. I can see shooting 22 Short suppressed inside a Victorian style New York house for fun, as it would truly be "Hollywood quiet".
For harnessing energy, I feel like harnessing energy from the movement of the piston is more valuable than from the suppressor. I can imagine adding a little alternator on the wheel in an AK 107 type gun.
3D printed titanium suppressors have been sold in Norway for almost a decade, works fine. Costs ~450 dollars, the technology has been here for nearly a decade, and it doesn't cost significantly more than "ordinary" suppressors.
Question at 22:15sec. regarding utilizing the heat energy to charge electronics, etc... A steam turbine or some sort of sterling engine could make power regardless of survivably hot environmental conditions, but a thermo electric generator would only be relatively effective in cold environmental conditions. Similarly to a thermo electric generator, in cold conditions the heat could be harnessed directly to provide hot water... Coffee and tea even.
@@spraynpray makes me happy that I went with YHM. Never had any issues with the integrally suppressed Ruger mkIII or the two cans I got from them. Buy once, cry once.
@@sarkardarkstar This is not the first time AAC has been under new ownership. I see no exclusions on the website covering existing product warranty. They are still there as far as I can tell. www.advanced-armament.com/warranty-information.html If you have an issue that’s who I would call. Likely the same people answer the phone. Likely the same people are still operating the company’s work. Including warranties. If I bought a company I would only do that to get the rights to products, patents and people. I wouldn’t worry much. If they want your continued business they will have to maintain good customer service.
God damn it, I had a glitch with my Bluetooth switching over from another app, and watched the first three minutes of this video with no audio, thinking Ian was just being a cheeky shit.
@@nuclearmedicineman6270 they were dumbly restricted to NFA status in the 30s when gangsters were robbing banks across the US. Has nothing to do with Hollywood
This is exciting, i have the less than wonderful books out there, and will be on board with paying for a book of the quality Headstamp produces. Outstanding!
Banning suppressors was a very wise far forward looking measure to suppress shooting hobby/sport. The rest of the NFA was about suppressing all continued development of small arms, beyond WW1 level. Humanity has an enemy.
I find it somewhat ironic that the UK, with some of the harshest restrictions on firearms, has far less restrictions on suppressors than the US. Heck, we don't need ANY paperwork to purchase suppressors for air rifles & the only difference between most of them & those for .22 rimfire is the latter have a proof mark.
True, but since the firearm is so tightly regulated then regulating the silencer becomes a mute point, just as is the argument that "over there silencers are just everyday items" We should be careful pointing to heavily regulated countries as a goal post, sticking with constitutional arguments is the best.
Americans can buy suppressed airguns without a problem, but those are integrally suppressed. No way to take the can off the airgun and put it on a firearm.
So you can by a suppressor for a 22 caliber air rifle without permit in the UK ? Any clue if those "cans" would be strong enough for use on a 22 rimfire ?
No It's a 1 time tax. Pay your $200, get your stamp of proof of tax paid. Buy another item, pay another $200 tax. They can be transferred tax free to a heir on a "form 5" 1 time also.
I used hunting as an example of which a suppressors would make the sport better for literally everyone in a recent argument about allowing suppressors in the state.
@@NitroCerber Q is a psyop that at the same time kept patriots from doing anything and simultaneously discredits any effort to combat anti american progressivism
As much as I enjoyed this video, it just makes me so frustrated to be living in a state that prohibits ALL NFA items. I don't even have the option to pay the tax and wait the time here...
This is exceptional knowledge, experience and insights being shared right there. Thanks for this, the video covers practical, historical and engineering aspects of silencers very, very well.
@@evanacey1414 Whatever it's called, but yes. Those ones that filter out loud noises and amplify speech. That's just what they were called in finnish army.
They are still issuing the type that the government is being sued over. Mechanical hearing protection is not very effective and electronic hearing protection is at present to fragile to survive in a battle space.
@@dbmail545 You sure about that? I was issued a set as a conscript in Finnish army, and only problem I ran into was the things turning themselves off every once in a while.
With air and paint guns, they are not NFA items, and 50-state legal, As long as they can’t be put on a firearm. However, to avoid confusion, we often say “raincover”
Nice! That book announcement is great news. I've been interested in silencer history and even more since I saw that short on Silencer Shop's channel with Kevin and the early Maxim.
They do completely different things. A brake redirects blast off the bore axis to reduce recoil. A silencer contains the blast to reduce its expansion velocity and therefore the sound generated.
Smokeless powder never burns completely, there's always some part of the compound that can still burn once it hits the atmosphere, so a good chunk of the muzzle flash is from the unburned gases igniting once they exit the muzzle. The "first-shot pop" is another side effect of this, as once it happens the supressor is essentially filled with burned gases, with no oxygen left for the following shots.
If InRange thought that Stoner would have done that then they presumably would have done that. I do think it would be worth articulating in a video (read that as, entertaining material). I know it was a while ago, but there was a brief discussion I think during barrel and or muzzle device discussion. My future WWSD interpretation will include the ability for a silencer/sound suppressor/muffler/wind pickle. I think that there is a small opportunity for a silencer that mounts to the WWSD pinned on device.
I really enjoyed the information. I want to get one just for my and others hearing. At 68 yo I dislike loud noise. From an explosion my left ear is blown out and the difference in turning my head to a sound is incredible. That is scary to me.
The 249 example makes me a bit sad, you shouldn't need to destroy your hearing in that way. When I was in the army we had hunting earmuffs which dampened the sound of shots but let you hear voices a bit more clearly than with earplugs or regular earmuffs.
I went to a mining museum in Belgium a number of years ago, and they told us of a similar situation- the miners didn't wear hearing protection while using pneumatic drills because they needed to hear if the wooden props started cracking
Talking about charging an onboard battery system. I always thought the easiest way to do it would be to house it in the recoil system and use the momentum of the bolt/slide to generate a small amount of electrical energy.
One thing I strongly disagree with is taking credit for developing 300 whisper into 300 blackout, they're the same thing just branded by AAC for marketing. While they helped get the round into main stream, it was around as a wildcat for a long time before AAC sold a single round.
Getting a round SAAMI spec’d is more involved than you think and he has given credit to the guy who came up with it, but that guy didn’t want anything to do with taking it mainstream. Ammo manufacturers would’ve never touched it without it being SAAMI spec’d.
The primary exponential cost of making a given silencer quieter is reduced number of rounds fired between cleanings, so ease of cleaning is a major issue too.
Back in the 90's when I was in the Firearm Industry, The Department of Agriculture Would bring in their Suppressed Firearms for Servicing and I was The One doing the Work. For Some Reason it Always took Two Days to Perform the Work. The first day Serviced them, Then We Shot them All Night long on an Improvised Range, Re-serviced the Following Day, Then called them Up and the Head guy of that office and an agent would pick them Up... there Office was Only a few miles away ( They Had Lots of Cool " Stuff " ) !!! Even though they were only Generation 2+ Suppressers, They Were Still Very Enjoyable to Shoot Indoors. They were Jonathan Arthur Steiner Integral Suppressers, from Cape Canaveral Florida.
Until we get rid of the laws banning silencers we won't see true advances in design. It would be easy to make the stock into a very light honeycomb design that could be the sound reduction unit and the stock.
There are already many full barrel suppressors on the market, and they work insanely well. For one .22 that I fired, the hammer click was louder than the shot. They also have AR-15 uppers that are full barrel suppressors and again, they work great. The main thing is being able to easily clean out the insides when necessary which is why a suppressor can is made like it is. There are a number of older handguns with suppressors built into them, with an extra chamber for the gas to go into, but this makes it harder to clean vs a single tube with removable chambers. It's totally possible to do what you are talking about, but just not worth the effort unless your goal is to have a completely silent gun(which just isn't necessary, nor worth the effort in most cases). Getting a shot down to speaking decibel level isn't that hard today, and anything below that is just over the top as far as utility is concerned.
Within the first few minutes a question I've been asking myself has been (somewhat) answered. The various hunting organizations were incredibly powerful in the early 20th century. Now I just need to prove that 26" was chosen as "concealable" was because it could fit under the seat of a car...
The times they are a-changin'. My own state of Florida legalized hunting with suppressors just a few years ago. I don't hunt, but have helped others to match the state regs. For example, because an AK will load a magazine on a closed chamber, AK magazines have to be limited to 4 rounds for whitetail deer hunting here.
I think the 26" could also have to do with the fact that you can tuck it under your armpit and hide it under your coat. Think clyde barrows shortened auto five shotgun
@@justindunlap1235 but you could also do that with a pistol, which was not subject to the NFA. If they were concerned about firearms concealed on the person why wouldn't they have included all firearms under a certain size?
"every gun should have a suppressor' Kevin....I like Kevin....alot.
Ditto sir!
He is a silencer salesman.
@@classifiedad1 suppressor*
Every car has one
Unfortunately, he's not in favor of a universal suppressor QD mounting standard, he'd much rather you have to buy his proprietary mounts.
Legally: silencers
Colloquially: suppressor
Technically: muzzle muffler
In the law they are referenced as muffler or silencer, because muffler was (is) the technical but people doesn't use it because it doesn't sound cool, and silencer is the first brand so people called them that. Silencer is also marketing hype so people now calls them [muzzle report] suppressor because it sounds cool without hyping up the effect.
In Britain they tend to be called (sound) moderators
In Germany they are called "Schalldämpfer" which literally means "sound-dampener", but it is also the word used for a car muffler, so you can also translate it as "muffler."
Paracord bracelet on both wrists: "Can"
Whisper pickle
It's interesting that in the US silencers are harder to acquire and own than the UK. In the UK it's simply an extension on the existing licence and just needs to be justified. Apparently 'hearing protection' is valid justification.
@@thecommissaruk As a license holder here in the UK I can confirm that obtaining a moderator is generally encouraged for hunting purposes with justifications being hearing protection, reduction in noise pollution and in some cases public safety. What is important to remember though is that here in the UK moderators are controlled in the same way as a firearm, so I cannot sell or buy one without authorisation from my local Police Constabulary. Strangely though this does not apply to moderators for Air Weapons, which can be purchased by anyone.
@@VulpesGBR arent air rifles below a certain threshold unregulated though?
@@rebralhunter6069 below 12ft•lbs, or about 580fps for a 16 grain pellet.
Like he said it's just hard to change now because there are so many ignorant people out there who don't know how/how well surpressors work due to things like the media and they are scared you'll see John Wick mall shootouts which is so far from the truth.
@@rebralhunter6069 Yes anything below 12ftlb of energy does not require a license.
Many years ago I went to a Knob Creek shoot and a guy in the pole barn had an original transferable Chauchat for sale. As I was looking at it he mentioned that he had an original French silencer for it. I asked to see it and he handed me a bag containing an old grey moth-eaten blanket. He went on to state that it was to be wrapped around the gun when it broke during combat so it wouldn't make that loud "clank" when you had to start hitting people over the head with it. True story.
That is funny
That, sir, is some of the good shit 🍻
Awesome👍😆
I just can't stop laughing.
Ah, guns and gallows humor: they go together like peanut butter and chocolate.
Is there a possibility we can get videos on a ton of suppressors? I'd imagine there's a fairly nice collection laying around nearby.
When we are ready to launch the book, I will have a series of just that sort of video. :)
@@ForgottenWeapons 100% excited! I can't wait to see it.
@@S7eveThePira7e very creative and innovative technologies being exlored by these guys
How is this coment 3 days old?
@@ForgottenWeapons awesome!!!
It seems strange that while here, in the UK, we cannot legally possess any pistol or revolver (unless it's either a muzzle-loader or has a long barrel and an overall length of at least 24 inches) and cannot possess a semi-auto rifle except in .22 rimfire - we can fit a suppressor to any weapon and are actively encouraged to do so. Well, it's a small country and sound travels!
I live in the flatwoods and the sound of a gunshot travels a long way. I only shoot suppressed on my property.
We're also able to own and operate crossbows with no power limits without requiring a registration.
Small calibre sporting Guns? "Wheres your license?!"
Military Crossbow designed to kill a fully armored knight " go right ahead sir.."
@@MediumRareOpinions I know I'm being pedantic, but you're not getting through the armor of a fully armored knight with any projectile weapon that isn't powered chemically. If you could, there would be no point in having full armor. Even early firearms didn't go through armor - hell, a lot of modern stuff wouldn't be able to either.
@@neruneri pedentry acknowledged, I was being hyperbolic
Of course in the UK we can also own a 20mm cannon as long as it's bolt action and a magazine of 5 rounds or less . It's good to know we can fit a suppressor to it .
Fun fact: Maxim's patent for the firearm silencer also covered the original car muffler. They're the same thing, just on a different scale.
Holy crap, i neever even thought of it that way
Honestly, I didn't even think it was possible, kevin being humble for an hour impressive
Gotta get him liquored up first lol.
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Why are you the prevalent comment on my screen?
@@danddiversified8477 the algorithm knows it's true. Haha
So, important question: how quiet is this book release going to be?
Hollywood quiet
And will it include an origami silencer?
Quiet enough to produce Harmon-y.
Shhhhhh
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Fun watching Kevin's head get more and more red as the booze sets in.
it's the heat lamps :D
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@@williamservice8145 You alright there buddy? Do you smell smoke?
@@williamservice8145 yes
The theory that sound is the the primary factor that causes flinch is totally accurate.
For the bystander it is
...no, no it isn't
@@hhe5218 id rather believe the expert
Lol. Maybe on pistol and rimfire cartridges.
On rifle cartridges like the 500 Jeffery, it's the recoil that does it.
I remember meeting Kevin at his office in Lilburn, Georgia to buy my first suppressor, YEARS ago. It was a Slim-Lite .22can, serial #38, threaded 3/8x24 for a PPK. A very quiet can…
Can you make a "suppressor" that insted of muffling the sound, makes a Wilhelm Scream wich each shot? That will surely confuse the enemy.
😂
I can still remember my first time hearing a Wilhelm.
It was that hapless Stormtrooper that insisted on the high ground, but Luke just potted him like a plastoid duck on a pond.
We all need "Wilhelmers" for our blasters.
Full auto would be god aweful
After three shots with that sound, that silencer's going in the trash. Very expensive trash.
The original Wilhelm Scream was related to a cowboy hit by an arrow in his thigh.
Best quote: "Dropping the Sun on People". I hope to remember that. Very good information here. Thanks guys. Makes me want a Silencer.
This has got to be one of the very few channels where I watch videos in their entirety no matter how long they are. Thanks a lot, this was insightful!
The 70's weren't all bad - the music was great!
And loud
@@erikdingman9806 Sorry, what did you say?
Suppressors are a great, interesting topic. I'm glad that is a project you're working on. Mr. Brittingham is a very nice quest. Easy to listen to.
Saying we can't have silencers becasue of crime is like saying cars shouldn't have mufflers so we can hear a bank robber's getaway car.
Word
Excellent analogy on many levels. Tip my cap to you!
Turns out, if you apply logic to any gun law it falls apart.
Gun laws are completely emotion based. There are no facts or reasoning involved.
Ah man, I wish they could have talked about integrally suppressed barrels and barrel shrouds.
God damn Ian please if possible do another one of these with this gentleman because it was so interesting and chilled out
Thank you , Ian .
Thank you , Kevin .
I took my last deer using a 6.5 Creedmoor and a .30 cal Silencerco Harvester.
First time hunting suppressed and I'm not sure I ever want to hunt unsupressed again.
Welcome to the club
I never want to shoot an unsurpressed gun again in my life. Slowly buying one for every gun I own.
@@helipilotuh1 is it so bad to swap the supressor around? getting a quickrelease suppressor and several muzzle devices to go with it has to be cheaper. if you go direct thread i will advide you look into a telescopic suppressor like this www.a-tec.no/silencers/hertz-rifle-silencers .
since they go back over the barrel you get a lot more suppressor for the length added.
@@ravener96 It’s a 1st world problem I don’t want to have. Depending on the mount type it can be impossible to remove it if the suppressor is warm from firing. So if you’re at the range and shooting more than one gun, you have to sit there and wait. Plus you don’t have to worry about changing mount types on the suppressor to go from one gun to another. Specific caliber suppressors tend to work better on that caliber.
@@helipilotuh1 sure, i get that, i guess it depends of your weapon selection too. if you have say 5 556 weapons, having just 2 QD suppressors would let you have one cool off while the other is heating up. i do agree with caliber specific suppessors though. having one 556 can, one 9mm can, one 45 maybe if you shoot that and one do it all for large rifle. a 7.62 can works perfectly fine with 6.5 for example.
dont let anyone stop you, get the suppressors. where i live they are unregulated so thats essentially what i would do anyway.
my next wish .com ad will be an oil filter
Or that fuel strainer ad that pops up
Fits on WIX and Napa calibers
Best way to keep it down as much as possible is to use Ultrasound Jelly..
Or solvent trap
@@MrLoliandthebear for some reason I couldn't think of "solvent trap" & did fuel filter, thanks
Everyone commenting about Kevin’s jumper with the Q on it. Everyone saying it’s a bad timing or conspiracy theories, meanwhile all I’m thinking is the reference to Q from the James Bond series.
Could this all be connected somehow?
Maybe even Q from Star Trek
Was exactly my thought as well.
it's the name of his brand. It's what he makes supressors, rifles, etc under.
@@Me-lk6qn in case of genuine ignorance. There is a group of people running a brain washing cult/grift
It’s awesome listening to Ron white talk about suppressors
Tater suppressor
Working with em since before I could own one. You Sir have my attention.
im not a gun fan dont even own one, but this fella was such a elequent interesting guest. his insight and reasoning behind various suppressor questions was awesome. good luck to both of you fine bloke for the book. thanks
This is one of those things that are killing traditional media: we can skip the middle man, go to direct to the source. We can listen to Ian and Kevin without a journalist in the middle. No translation, no interpretation. Good.
Soon we won't be able to
@@gaylordpantamime x to doubt
When you believe you have sources without ideology, you are all the more open to the ideology contained in every single word that humans utter. Because you are incapable of becoming aware of it.
@@keithklassen5320 Everyone has his ideology. I'm aware of that. I prefer things "unstranslated".
Usually I look at the contents and only listen to the questions that interest me, but this one I listened to the whole Q&A.
As far as Marine proof. I think everything that has been ever issued has met resistance from someone. I'm sure during the Mexican/American war some officers looked at the Colt revolvers and said, "These are too complicated and hard to maintain. We need musket pistols, something that's Militia proof."
That's funny, the Mexican-American war is actually when the stereotype of Marines breaking everything came from! They were issued the new 1819 Hall Rifle but had it taken away from them because they kept being broken or modified into a pistol.
Always a pleasure listening to an expert in their field who has a down to earth demeanor.
Man, it'd be nice to have some kind of national association that tests rifles, maybe also pistols and suppressors and other accessories. Too bad such an association doesn't exist.
This was a great Q&A. Very informative. I appreciate Kevin's common sense approach to the subject. I am a little surprised that integral suppressors were not discussed. I'd love to hear Kevin's view on the pros vs cons.
Yup, always put one plug in my right ear to "save" it. . . left the left ear naked, to hear commands, it's gone bad now.
I’m a former Special Forces operator and prior to that an infantryman in the 82nd Airborne back before we used or had available to us suppressors. In training I normally wore 1 ear plug so that I could hear what was going on. I’ve got significant hearing loss. I can still hold a conversation of course but it would be great to have my normal hearing back.
On a related note, I can’t wait for the book to come out.
Electronic /variable passive ear pro( that works) are also a good choice.
Good for the shooter, but what about everyone else?
@@ScottKenny1978 If it's a non emergency situation, have onlookers also put on ear pro. I keep a bag of foam ear plugs in my range bag just for this reason. And it's an emergency weapons use.... better to be a little deaf than dead!
Really glad to meet the man much whom my interest has pivoted around.
I spent the extra money to get amplified electric earmuffs so I could hear and shoot at the same time. I would rather have a suppressor, but since I spent just a bit less than half of what the tax on 1 suppressor is, and the muffs work for "all my guns" as it were, it was worthwhile.
The amplification is also very interesting all by itself. Snapping twigs in stereo!
I do like my earpro, helps me hear the rattlesnakes!
But I still want cans for my hunting rifles.
Electronic ear pro does not provide enough attenuation to prevent hearing damage for all types of firearms. I wear mine and use suppressors.
@@helipilotuh1 yeah, muff style earpro is only 18-21db attenuation for the slim line muffs that let you get a cheek weld. But the big "Mickey Mouse" earpro that you can't wear shooting a long gun can get 31db attenuation. Decibels are a logarithmic scale, so 10db is twice as much energy/power. 20db attenuation cuts the force to ¼, 30db cuts it to ⅛.
Which is why I want cans for my hunting rifles.
They're also not fast enough to actually stop all the damage.
I wear muffs if I'm shooting suppressed, and I add plugs under the muffs if I have to go neanderthal.
7:32 About the issue with oxygen in a suppressor and how it seems difficult to stop that, there's a manufacturer of suppressors that filled their suppressors with a type of soft sprayfoam in order to keep the noice of the first few shots down. That's the easiest way. I just don't remember who did that. However, there is also DB Foam who makes foam particularly for that reason. Wipes can also be effective for the "first round pop".
I heard he had hair like Ian until the ATF came after Q for the honeybadger and im sure the Q group didn't help much.
He’s got enough money to go to one of those celebrity hair specialists and get it back lol
@@jabbott376 what would it matter if it was? everyone is entitled to believe what they want no matter how crazy someone else thinks it is. This is still America 🇺🇸. for now anyway.
Seeing as Qanon is a retcon mashup of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the blood libel, the negatives of millions of people being sucked into an anti-semitic hate-group seem rather obvious.
Really cool discussion. I always enjoy these talks with experts, and I love how he talks in a manner everyone can understand.
"Everything made in the 70's sucked!"
Me: Hehehe yeah... wait... I was born in the 70's...
I propose that there was one exception: furniture. I've got a 1978 coffee table and it's a beauty. Some nice chairs and couches in that period also. Home decor not so much (too many patterns), but the furniture made of wood, leather, and metal rather than plastic or foam.
EDIT: Hm, the coffee table is actually from 1968.... maybe I was wrong :P
**Sad Steyr AUG noises**
The guest drinking polish beer. Priceless
"...that people can afford..." coming from Kevin, that's a hilariously ironic statement from the owner of the company selling a $3300 bolt gun
When Ian promises he always delivers. Another project I can say i'm excited for!
Next up; obscure French Silencers, in two volumes.
There's no such thing as a Marine proof anything.
Marine buddy of mine said during infantry school when they were teaching how to use claymores, one of the guys said, "Front toward enemy? But which side is the front?" Suffice to say he caught some shit for that one.
@@wewd front front, not back front..........or see which side the rest of the squad points towards HIM
@@bigredone1030 Apparently this is common enough that there are more than a few r/relationship posts on Reddit with girlfriends complaining that their boyfriend won't clean their ass because its gay. What the actual fuck...
The only thing that a marine can't break is the curve!
I`m very excited to get my hands on this book once it comes out!
CGS is already producing a 3D printed can and it also happens to be the highest performing can in PewScience’s testing so far. Would really love to see you sit down with Jay from PewScience as well.
Thanks for the Q&A. If more videos follow it would be interesting to hear the ideal internal suppressor volume for standard calibers. With 5.56, 6.5, 6.8, 7.62, .338 being the most useful information.
I did not know the early Maxim stuff was so heavily on the rimfire side. The name "silencer" makes more sense that way. I can see shooting 22 Short suppressed inside a Victorian style New York house for fun, as it would truly be "Hollywood quiet".
For harnessing energy, I feel like harnessing energy from the movement of the piston is more valuable than from the suppressor. I can imagine adding a little alternator on the wheel in an AK 107 type gun.
I wish Kevin could come to Australia and convince the Legislators that banning suppressors is unnecessary!!
I wish AUS had gun rights. If you ever want to the US loves Legal immigrants!!!
Thanks Kevin and of course thanks Ian!
This was an amazing Q&A! Learned alot.
3D printed titanium suppressors have been sold in Norway for almost a decade, works fine. Costs ~450 dollars, the technology has been here for nearly a decade, and it doesn't cost significantly more than "ordinary" suppressors.
Kevin is here to answer some “Q” and A ... I see what you did there.
Question at 22:15sec. regarding utilizing the heat energy to charge electronics, etc...
A steam turbine or some sort of sterling engine could make power regardless of survivably hot environmental conditions, but a thermo electric generator would only be relatively effective in cold environmental conditions.
Similarly to a thermo electric generator, in cold conditions the heat could be harnessed directly to provide hot water... Coffee and tea even.
It’s a really bad time to have a nickname like “Q”
Q predicted this lol!
@@DoomOfConviction lol
@@DoomOfConviction well played!
"Q - We know how it feels when you don't want to be heard or seen. And we have just the product for YOU!"
I had to look at the description to make sure I wanted to watch the video lol.
And Gun Jesus poured oil on the troubled waters of Brittingham’s brain and the discussion was peaceful, pleasant, and informative.
I got a question, who will service my AAC supressor now?
@@spraynpray makes me happy that I went with YHM. Never had any issues with the integrally suppressed Ruger mkIII or the two cans I got from them. Buy once, cry once.
AAC still will. I wonder about the details of spraynpray’s experience.
@@thatjimboguy5005 AAC doesn't exist anymore, and when reorganized won't have the rights to the old designs.
@@sarkardarkstar This is not the first time AAC has been under new ownership. I see no exclusions on the website covering existing product warranty. They are still there as far as I can tell. www.advanced-armament.com/warranty-information.html If you have an issue that’s who I would call. Likely the same people answer the phone. Likely the same people are still operating the company’s work. Including warranties. If I bought a company I would only do that to get the rights to products, patents and people. I wouldn’t worry much. If they want your continued business they will have to maintain good customer service.
God damn it, I had a glitch with my Bluetooth switching over from another app, and watched the first three minutes of this video with no audio, thinking Ian was just being a cheeky shit.
I wish I could have asked about the stetchkins and whats his thoughts
He loves the Stechkin. :)
@@ForgottenWeapons AND speedy customer service!? Dang, ill be sure to join the Patreon sooner than later!!
Is it possible to build a muzzle device that makes it louder in front of the gun and silent behind?
They do, SilencerCo ASR Blast Shield
@@DocKing87 but that looks small and unobtrusive, I was thinking something that looks like a megaphone
If silencers weren't NFA items id have 5, with more on the way.
You can get a form 1 in like a month and buy an oil filter suppressor kit.
@@nuclearmedicineman6270 they were dumbly restricted to NFA status in the 30s when gangsters were robbing banks across the US. Has nothing to do with Hollywood
@@donovanchilton5817 and a felony with 10 years in federal
@@davedave9552 not if you get a Form 1 approval first.
@@davedave9552 file the Form 1 and get the tax stamp before you shoot through that oil filter. Then it's not a felony.
NEVER miss an episode of this...
We now call silencers "gun mufflers", they'll be legal soon.
Then you'll have some goob yelling, "Loud pipes save lives!"
This is exciting, i have the less than wonderful books out there, and will be on board with paying for a book of the quality Headstamp produces. Outstanding!
Banning suppressors was a very wise far forward looking measure to suppress shooting hobby/sport. The rest of the NFA was about suppressing all continued development of small arms, beyond WW1 level. Humanity has an enemy.
21:48 So true. I couldn't be bothered to wait for the silencer to cooldown to try other guns with the silencer.
I find it somewhat ironic that the UK, with some of the harshest restrictions on firearms, has far less restrictions on suppressors than the US.
Heck, we don't need ANY paperwork to purchase suppressors for air rifles & the only difference between most of them & those for .22 rimfire is the latter have a proof mark.
Or if you need to deal with bunnies at the allotment without upsetting anyone you could make your own.
Indeed, using a suppressor here is just neighbourly.
True, but since the firearm is so tightly regulated then regulating the silencer becomes a mute point, just as is the argument that "over there silencers are just everyday items" We should be careful pointing to heavily regulated countries as a goal post, sticking with constitutional arguments is the best.
Americans can buy suppressed airguns without a problem, but those are integrally suppressed. No way to take the can off the airgun and put it on a firearm.
So you can by a suppressor for a 22 caliber air rifle without permit in the UK ? Any clue if those "cans" would be strong enough for use on a 22 rimfire ?
One of the chillest guest you've had on the show.
If you pay a fee to the government for license them it will be forever, they always want the money.
No
It's a 1 time tax. Pay your $200, get your stamp of proof of tax paid. Buy another item, pay another $200 tax.
They can be transferred tax free to a heir on a "form 5" 1 time also.
I used hunting as an example of which a suppressors would make the sport better for literally everyone in a recent argument about allowing suppressors in the state.
Question to Kevin Brittingham: how much hate do you get for that Q sweater now?
Yeah, gonna be a few misunderstandings due to recent paranoia.
Can you explain what's the issue for folks like me who are far from american (I presume?) issues.
@@NitroCerber Q is a batshit conspiracy theory, connected to pizzagate, Trump and the storming of the Capitol.
@@NitroCerber Q is also the gadget maker in Bond films.
@@NitroCerber Q is a psyop that at the same time kept patriots from doing anything and simultaneously discredits any effort to combat anti american progressivism
Very much a book I'm looking forward to adding to the collection, especially knowing that Kevin is part of it!
As much as I enjoyed this video, it just makes me so frustrated to be living in a state that prohibits ALL NFA items. I don't even have the option to pay the tax and wait the time here...
Thanks horrible, but even in a state that allows it, it still sucks. Fuck em.
The NFA is unconstitutional, just like all other gun laws. The Supreme Court needs to finally call the kettle black. It is 87 years late already.
Move yourself and your tax payments to a different state?
Vote with your wallet. It's the only thing they know.
This is exceptional knowledge, experience and insights being shared right there. Thanks for this, the video covers practical, historical and engineering aspects of silencers very, very well.
So, I take that USMC does not issue active hearing protection?
You mean electronic ear pro?
@@evanacey1414 Whatever it's called, but yes. Those ones that filter out loud noises and amplify speech. That's just what they were called in finnish army.
They are still issuing the type that the government is being sued over. Mechanical hearing protection is not very effective and electronic hearing protection is at present to fragile to survive in a battle space.
@@dbmail545 You sure about that? I was issued a set as a conscript in Finnish army, and only problem I ran into was the things turning themselves off every once in a while.
I’m sure MARSOC guys get something, regular grunts probably not. There’s tactical benefits to suppressors as well.
Thanks for detailing times of questions on description!
Broke: Should we call it "Silencer" or "Suppressor"?
Woke: "Muffler"
@inönu
that's the "bespoke" option.
@inönu muzzle brake 🤣
With air and paint guns, they are not NFA items, and 50-state legal, As long as they can’t be put on a firearm. However, to avoid confusion, we often say “raincover”
Redpilled: The most expensive oil filter I could find and an adaptor I turned on the mill
(Not me)
Call em Muzzle Mufflers....damn you said that just as I was typing it.
Nice! That book announcement is great news. I've been interested in silencer history and even more since I saw that short on Silencer Shop's channel with Kevin and the early Maxim.
Discrete ballistics makes a device to eliminate first round pop by filling the suppressor with inert gas
If you really need to keep it down as much as possible is to use Ultrasound Jelly.. works better than anything else
Yes, but water is so simple.
When dose a muzzle brake become a suppressor ?
They do completely different things. A brake redirects blast off the bore axis to reduce recoil. A silencer contains the blast to reduce its expansion velocity and therefore the sound generated.
Is that Leżajsk? Man, it's been ages since i had one.
I've spotted that as well and was like, what the hell? I live less than an hour away from the town this beer is from, in Poland.
Leżajski ful 👍😁 biedronkowy brand
też jestem z Leżajska
Smokeless powder never burns completely, there's always some part of the compound that can still burn once it hits the atmosphere, so a good chunk of the muzzle flash is from the unburned gases igniting once they exit the muzzle. The "first-shot pop" is another side effect of this, as once it happens the supressor is essentially filled with burned gases, with no oxygen left for the following shots.
Hey Ian given this podcast would you consider adding a suppressor to the wwsd rifle?
They went with 14.5 inch barrels with pinned muzzle devices I think so they can’t put suppressors on them
@@breaden4381 that would have to be changed.
If InRange thought that Stoner would have done that then they presumably would have done that. I do think it would be worth articulating in a video (read that as, entertaining material). I know it was a while ago, but there was a brief discussion I think during barrel and or muzzle device discussion.
My future WWSD interpretation will include the ability for a silencer/sound suppressor/muffler/wind pickle.
I think that there is a small opportunity for a silencer that mounts to the WWSD pinned on device.
I really enjoyed the information.
I want to get one just for my and others hearing.
At 68 yo I dislike loud noise.
From an explosion my left ear is blown out and the difference in turning my head to a sound is incredible. That is scary to me.
The 249 example makes me a bit sad, you shouldn't need to destroy your hearing in that way. When I was in the army we had hunting earmuffs which dampened the sound of shots but let you hear voices a bit more clearly than with earplugs or regular earmuffs.
I went to a mining museum in Belgium a number of years ago, and they told us of a similar situation- the miners didn't wear hearing protection while using pneumatic drills because they needed to hear if the wooden props started cracking
@@nirfz That adds a good point. When I was a squad commander, it was my job to get the point across despite guns firing.
Talking about charging an onboard battery system. I always thought the easiest way to do it would be to house it in the recoil system and use the momentum of the bolt/slide to generate a small amount of electrical energy.
One thing I strongly disagree with is taking credit for developing 300 whisper into 300 blackout, they're the same thing just branded by AAC for marketing. While they helped get the round into main stream, it was around as a wildcat for a long time before AAC sold a single round.
Getting a round SAAMI spec’d is more involved than you think and he has given credit to the guy who came up with it, but that guy didn’t want anything to do with taking it mainstream. Ammo manufacturers would’ve never touched it without it being SAAMI spec’d.
The primary exponential cost of making a given silencer quieter is reduced number of rounds fired between cleanings, so ease of cleaning is a major issue too.
Isn't this Q & I?
Nice
Back in the 90's when I was in the Firearm Industry, The Department of Agriculture Would bring in their Suppressed Firearms for Servicing and I was The One doing the Work. For Some Reason it Always took Two Days to Perform the Work. The first day Serviced them, Then We Shot them All Night long on an Improvised Range, Re-serviced the Following Day, Then called them Up and the Head guy of that office and an agent would pick them Up... there Office was Only a few miles away ( They Had Lots of Cool " Stuff " ) !!!
Even though they were only Generation 2+ Suppressers, They Were Still Very Enjoyable to Shoot Indoors. They were Jonathan Arthur Steiner Integral Suppressers, from Cape Canaveral Florida.
Ok, I think I'm gonna start calling suppressors "boom stick mufflers" from now on
Same thanks for the terminology
gun jesus and silencer simon....this was a very informative and enjoyable experience. chapeau gentlemen
Until we get rid of the laws banning silencers we won't see true advances in design. It would be easy to make the stock into a very light honeycomb design that could be the sound reduction unit and the stock.
There are already many full barrel suppressors on the market, and they work insanely well. For one .22 that I fired, the hammer click was louder than the shot. They also have AR-15 uppers that are full barrel suppressors and again, they work great. The main thing is being able to easily clean out the insides when necessary which is why a suppressor can is made like it is. There are a number of older handguns with suppressors built into them, with an extra chamber for the gas to go into, but this makes it harder to clean vs a single tube with removable chambers. It's totally possible to do what you are talking about, but just not worth the effort unless your goal is to have a completely silent gun(which just isn't necessary, nor worth the effort in most cases). Getting a shot down to speaking decibel level isn't that hard today, and anything below that is just over the top as far as utility is concerned.
Within the first few minutes a question I've been asking myself has been (somewhat) answered. The various hunting organizations were incredibly powerful in the early 20th century. Now I just need to prove that 26" was chosen as "concealable" was because it could fit under the seat of a car...
The times they are a-changin'. My own state of Florida legalized hunting with suppressors just a few years ago. I don't hunt, but have helped others to match the state regs. For example, because an AK will load a magazine on a closed chamber, AK magazines have to be limited to 4 rounds for whitetail deer hunting here.
I think the 26" could also have to do with the fact that you can tuck it under your armpit and hide it under your coat. Think clyde barrows shortened auto five shotgun
@@justindunlap1235 but you could also do that with a pistol, which was not subject to the NFA. If they were concerned about firearms concealed on the person why wouldn't they have included all firearms under a certain size?
Also if you look under the seat of a 1933 sedan you'll find about
enough room for a Browning 1919.
@@Tuton25 I'm not sure, but I know one thing the new makes absolutely zero sense in its classifications and restrictions.
I like that he says silencer like maxim did.
Excellent Video! This was great!