Hi just hold your truck up off the ground and push the front axle up and down and as you do this you will see the wheels turning a bit as you do it...👍that's the bump steer effect.
It's due because of the panhard bar that connects to the axle and the chassis. Most pan hard bars do that even on 1 to 1 scale. The PT cruisers use what's called a watts link setup in the back and it performs the same purpose as a panhard bar but a different design incorporated in where under compression and flexion of the rear end the watts link stops that side to side axle walk. It's not bump steer rather than the axle walking over to the right under compression and the pan hard bar straightening out and pushing the axle over. What he did was match up the steering rod angle to the panhard bar to minimize the effect. personally someone should scale down that watts link setup and put it on our crawlers.. would fix the axle walnut and retain the scale look.
@@koolaidwaterfountainsforth4236 What ever the cause it still has bump steer and to tell you the truth on a slow RC like this 5mph it wont affect anything you will only notice these affects on a high speed fast moving RC car. Thanks for the comment.
You would have had the same results if you were able to put the panhard bar on less of a angle. The axle walks so much causing the front end to dip over to the left while the axle goes right. Pulling the servo horn with it. The steering link being on a different angle it's pulling a slightly different direction making a bind. The steering can move while the pan hard cant resulting a form of bump steer. Had redcat put the pan hard mounts in a better location this nifty mod wouldn't be necessary.
😁👍 Awesome to hear made my day!! Yes I always like trying to make things work better without adding after market parts and spending a lot of extra $ if possible.. Sometimes you have to go purchase some after market parts but it's great when you don't have to. 👍Thanks for watching
Shen RC me too. If I have extras or something spare I throw it in to see if it works. Currently I have an aftermarket horn on my Scout flipped upside down, only friction holding it in place no teeth. I’ve only been able to run it a little. I’m waiting on a horn to get shipped with some other items that should match the angle.
I think people are starting to understand what bump steer is, but there are a lot that also say that these rigs are going so slow that it doesn't pose a problem. It does! The indication will be that you seem to be constantly having to make corrections to the steering, like it doesn't want to even go down the trail in a straight line. Initially you start trying to adjust the steering trim, but then that doesn't help and just start saying that the servo is too weak. Here is what is happening, every little bump causes the axle to move upward and in turn induces that "drifting off line". It gets pretty annoying having to constantly correct the direction. This is probably the best and cheapest way to fix the bump steer or you can move the Tie rod down.
😁👍 I never had any problems it was very drive able stock but doing this simple and easy mod is nice and it does wonders and the best thing is it's 100% FREE!!! 😁👍Thanks buddy for watching much appreciated.
😁Hi I like them both they are totally different types of crawlers the Gen 8 is a nice looking scale truck the temper gen 2 is like a lets play on a huge big pile of rocks type crawler...but I will be running my temper 2 in the mountain trails also.
😀👍 Thanks it worked great! Tires that was my first time trying them because we got so much snow but it's hot today and it melting!! wooo hoo! Thanks for watching.
It's more axle walk than bump steer. But nonetheless what you did minimized that side to side axle walk. Anything with a panhard bar will have some axle walk, it's down to the design of its placement that depicts how severe or not the effect is. In 1 to 1 scale PT cruisers have a setup called a watts link that does the same task as a panhard bar but has a pivot point built in the system that eliminates this axle walk under compression and flexion of the suspension. Look into it.. honestly surprised someone hasn't brought this design down to scalers. Other than having a couple extra moving parts the design has proven to work beautifully.
Thinking on it for a minute it would create a hang up point cause it does hang down a tad verus a solid bar. That said it still would be cool to see it in a super scale design. I'm sure a creative mind could apply it. Being a PT isnt a off road machine in their application it worked just fine in the rear end
@@ShenRC actually realible cars. When it comes to work on anything in the Engine you gotta drop the whole motor.... why I have a hhr that's a timing chain motor versus a belt haha.. that and it's a SS.. cool video though. Will be doing the same to my gen 8 👍
You along with every other gear head out there! I absolutely agree. Working on a PT is a nightmare. They made it impossible to access the stuff you do every 100k or so.. the hhrs are better to work on. More room even with a turbo stuffed in the back. The same guy designed both the pt and the hhr. Except the hhr is based of a 1950's suburban. The styling definitely resembles it. I'm a ford guy by preference but var guy in general. Once I found out how they only made about 8000 hhr ss's and I found one for sale at a decent price... I'm now a chevy guy 😂😂 Threw ya a sub. More I watch your stuff the more I'm into it. Keep it up man
I had an extra low profile servo horn in my stash so I tossed it on. Works so much better now. I have had my gen8 for a month and still haven’t had it outside. Winter can’t go away fast enough.
..... I'd LOVE one of those Gen 8s.... It took till they were no longer cool for me to finally afford a SCX10 II. Maybe in 5 years, I could get a Gen 8.
Hey, I have a question, on my gen 8, the steering is a bit loose, and can turn side to side with my hand, I just recently bought it, maybe ran it 3 times, also the front left tire is cambered in, all of this doesnt seem right to me as i am a bit new to high end RCs, Do you know if this is normal? and how can I resolve these issues?
Hi you can't adjust the camber on this truck? sure your not speaking of toe in or toe out tires pointing like this \ / or like this / \ a 4wd has the front of the tires pointed outwards a bit. you can adjust that by adjusting the front tie rod ends by unscrewing them or tightening them up. the gen 8 has a little play in the steering it's not 100% wiggle free. Thanks for watching.
@@doublea6364 then you need to loosen the tie rod end to the steering block on the side with the tire crooked pointing in.. unscrew a couple turns and put it back on see it should get straighter from doing this.
AWESOME video man! Been watching you for a while definitely one of my favorite RC guys to watch very informative and straight to the point keep it up my man! Was this the only steering mod you had done? Stock pan hard location and everything?
👍 Thanks! I think I have another video ware I bend the front steering rod so it wont hit anything on the axle pumpkin for the gen8, This mod in this video works wonders definitely do it.👍
Hello Steve pro tip remove the piece you're working on and put it in a vise if you don't have a vise use a vise grip to hold it while you grind so that you don't have to wrap paper towels around your truck and you won't have the thing moving around as much
There’s a video on UA-cam a guy installed a brace from where the panhard connect to axel to the top left screw on your axel cover. Adds the stiffness and drastically improves the bump steer. It’s almost practically gone I may do this mod as well and it will probably be perfect👍🏼👍🏼
No it's perfectly fine out of the box I have one he just can't help to rig and tinker with shit lol, they make the servo horn the way it is for a reason.
@@BasBoyRC I know but half of his mods on his RCs is the opposite of a fix or upgrade, not all but a lot of his mods are just his opinion and if you try to tell him why it might not be as good as he thinks he will defend it to the death.
The fastener is a NYLON LOCK NUT. If the bolt passes through the nylon you don’t need thread locker. Also next time start the bolt and before tightening the bolt down start the nut onto the bolt. Holding the nut with pliers then you can tighten down the bolt and then snug up the nut.
😁 Dude I know this already but even these nylon lock nuts come loose hence why you even need to put loc tite on RC cars wheel nuts that are nylon locking because they still become loose. Had to tighten it the way I shown because the screw threaded into the servo horn also so you had to tighten the screw down tight in the servo horn then put the nut on...👍 I know what I am doing been in this hobby for over 35 years 😁
Nice video man, but does anyone really care about the tiny amount of bump steer these vehicles have? I think on my bucket list of things I want, that doesn't make the the top 20. Anyway, thumbs up for your efforts :)
👍 Yea I did not care because it's so slow it doesn't matter to much but when you can eliminate the problem for FREE I am all for it and it's easy to do also. Thanks for watching.
could of just moved the steering rod to the bottom position and acomplished the same thing and not lost ground clearance because the diff still sticks down way lower
Hi I like my method way better your way sets it low on the axle and will get more scraped and hung up on stuff hence why I chose not to do it... no sense lowing the tie rod when you don't have to.
Don't understand anything about the bump steer,good video,will check my gen8 to see what you mean,thank you👍👍
Hi just hold your truck up off the ground and push the front axle up and down and as you do this you will see the wheels turning a bit as you do it...👍that's the bump steer effect.
It's due because of the panhard bar that connects to the axle and the chassis. Most pan hard bars do that even on 1 to 1 scale. The PT cruisers use what's called a watts link setup in the back and it performs the same purpose as a panhard bar but a different design incorporated in where under compression and flexion of the rear end the watts link stops that side to side axle walk. It's not bump steer rather than the axle walking over to the right under compression and the pan hard bar straightening out and pushing the axle over. What he did was match up the steering rod angle to the panhard bar to minimize the effect. personally someone should scale down that watts link setup and put it on our crawlers.. would fix the axle walnut and retain the scale look.
@@koolaidwaterfountainsforth4236 What ever the cause it still has bump steer and to tell you the truth on a slow RC like this 5mph it wont affect anything you will only notice these affects on a high speed fast moving RC car. Thanks for the comment.
You would have had the same results if you were able to put the panhard bar on less of a angle. The axle walks so much causing the front end to dip over to the left while the axle goes right. Pulling the servo horn with it. The steering link being on a different angle it's pulling a slightly different direction making a bind. The steering can move while the pan hard cant resulting a form of bump steer. Had redcat put the pan hard mounts in a better location this nifty mod wouldn't be necessary.
@@koolaidwaterfountainsforth4236 thank you for explaining it to me ,I had no idea what it was all about👍👍
That is one mean machine.again awesome videos and always enjoy watching them.
😉👍Thank you, It's comments like this that keep me going!
Steve, your videos are always entertaining and informative... thanks for supporting the Gen8 community!
😁👍 Awesome to hear made my day!! Yes I always like trying to make things work better without adding after market parts and spending a lot of extra $ if possible.. Sometimes you have to go purchase some after market parts but it's great when you don't have to. 👍Thanks for watching
Great Gen8 Steering mod tip
It's simple and effective ;-D
😎👍 Yes now break out your dremel tool!
Great tip! I have a non stock horn on mine to do the same thing. The idea of shaving it down is a great idea. Keep up the great work
😁👍 Thanks, I always try improving the RC's without buying after market parts first to fix problem and this is great and 100% free!
Shen RC me too. If I have extras or something spare I throw it in to see if it works. Currently I have an aftermarket horn on my Scout flipped upside down, only friction holding it in place no teeth. I’ve only been able to run it a little. I’m waiting on a horn to get shipped with some other items that should match the angle.
Excellent tip , good work !!
😀👍BEAUTY!
😊👍@@ShenRC
nicely done steve have fun RCing
😁Thanks bud!
Nice Shen that worked really well!
😉 Thank you.
7:11 definitely will try this since the bow house didn’t fit right, what’s the song that’s starting?
Cool! I don't recall it's been so long sorry. Thanks for watching.
Cool very simple mod
😉👍BEAUTY!!
Cool mod bro👍 free mods are always great
😁👍Thanks for the inspiration for it!
Great free mod picked up a kyosho Rocky today at a swap meet needs alittle work but pretty good shape great video full watch👍👍🚙😁
😁👍 Awesome!!! getting ready for kyosho Wednesday!
@@ShenRC yes sir the parts are so hard to find for these kyosho s
Great tip Steve👍👍 Simple solution to a nagging problem.
😎👍 Yep and it's 100% free! Thanks for watching man!
Awesome fix! I love the truck! Love the video like always!
😁👍👍 Thank you for the great comment.
Great Mod man. Very nice Info👍👍
😎👍Thanks bud.
Ya, nice work 👌....KILLER video 👍👍!! Sweet nice work
👍👍Thank you thank you thank you.
I think people are starting to understand what bump steer is, but there are a lot that also say that these rigs are going so slow that it doesn't pose a problem. It does! The indication will be that you seem to be constantly having to make corrections to the steering, like it doesn't want to even go down the trail in a straight line. Initially you start trying to adjust the steering trim, but then that doesn't help and just start saying that the servo is too weak.
Here is what is happening, every little bump causes the axle to move upward and in turn induces that "drifting off line". It gets pretty annoying having to constantly correct the direction.
This is probably the best and cheapest way to fix the bump steer or you can move the Tie rod down.
😁👍 I never had any problems it was very drive able stock but doing this simple and easy mod is nice and it does wonders and the best thing is it's 100% FREE!!! 😁👍Thanks buddy for watching much appreciated.
Good easy mod!!You should run it on 3s and see how it goes lol
😁👍You speed freak! Thanks for watching bro!
NC MOUNTAINS ❤.🙋👍
Excellent man, how are them new cheap tires? Could I possibly have the link?
😁👍Hi thanks, this was the first run with the new tires. I have the link in my Live video ware I install them, It's in the video description.
Great work Steve 😀👍👍.
😎👍👍 Thanks man! Worked out great!
Awesome tip 🤟🏼😁
😁👍👍Thanks
Great mod Steve and another one at no cost.
😉👍 Just the way I like it! Thanks bud.
Thanks for sharing Steve. ..always good from you
😎👍 Cool, Thank you
Very nice video big thumbs up my friend 😁👍👍
👍👍👍 Thank you sir!
I put a gen 8 in layaway. What one do you like better the gen 8 or the temper gen 2 cus I have a temper gen 2 also
😁Hi I like them both they are totally different types of crawlers the Gen 8 is a nice looking scale truck the temper gen 2 is like a lets play on a huge big pile of rocks type crawler...but I will be running my temper 2 in the mountain trails also.
Shen RC I take my temper over to a drainage ditch full of rocks I have the videos on my channel it’s only a hundred yards from home
Great tip how are you liking those tire so far?
😀👍 Thanks it worked great! Tires that was my first time trying them because we got so much snow but it's hot today and it melting!! wooo hoo! Thanks for watching.
Now see i was thinking of using a aftermarket servo horn for the trx4 because of is low profile. This provise it will work. Cool thanks man.👍
😉👍 Yep just a little work and you can fix it for free not having to spend any extra cash!
Nice mod looks like it worked great
😁👍Thanks, it's simple and does the job!
Awesome mod brother, that was great idea, steveo
😁 Thank you
👍crazy just that little bit taken off fixed it
😁👍Yep worked like a charm. Thanks for watching.
It's more axle walk than bump steer. But nonetheless what you did minimized that side to side axle walk. Anything with a panhard bar will have some axle walk, it's down to the design of its placement that depicts how severe or not the effect is. In 1 to 1 scale PT cruisers have a setup called a watts link that does the same task as a panhard bar but has a pivot point built in the system that eliminates this axle walk under compression and flexion of the suspension. Look into it.. honestly surprised someone hasn't brought this design down to scalers. Other than having a couple extra moving parts the design has proven to work beautifully.
😀👍Yes thanks, we have a PT cruiser that part may be great on it but the whole car is problematic!! Thanks for watching.
Thinking on it for a minute it would create a hang up point cause it does hang down a tad verus a solid bar. That said it still would be cool to see it in a super scale design. I'm sure a creative mind could apply it. Being a PT isnt a off road machine in their application it worked just fine in the rear end
@@ShenRC actually realible cars. When it comes to work on anything in the Engine you gotta drop the whole motor.... why I have a hhr that's a timing chain motor versus a belt haha.. that and it's a SS.. cool video though. Will be doing the same to my gen 8 👍
😁👍 I would much rather wrench on my 81 Camaro Z/28 any day! I hate working on that PT cruiser!
You along with every other gear head out there! I absolutely agree. Working on a PT is a nightmare. They made it impossible to access the stuff you do every 100k or so.. the hhrs are better to work on. More room even with a turbo stuffed in the back. The same guy designed both the pt and the hhr. Except the hhr is based of a 1950's suburban. The styling definitely resembles it. I'm a ford guy by preference but var guy in general. Once I found out how they only made about 8000 hhr ss's and I found one for sale at a decent price... I'm now a chevy guy 😂😂
Threw ya a sub. More I watch your stuff the more I'm into it. Keep it up man
Another fantastic fix Tip bro and Running video , it's a very Nice rig and moves nice over the terrain 😁 really enjoyed every minute of it 👍😍👍
😁👍👍 Thanks friend!
I had an extra low profile servo horn in my stash so I tossed it on. Works so much better now. I have had my gen8 for a month and still haven’t had it outside. Winter can’t go away fast enough.
😁👍COOL! Yes spring time already!
THAT'S A GOOD IDEA STEVE 👍👍!!!
Since there's less threads now, GOOD idea using the Nut to make it more secure!! 😎👏👏👏👏👏
Carmine 🚂 🚙
..... I'd LOVE one of those Gen 8s....
It took till they were no longer cool for me to finally afford a SCX10 II.
Maybe in 5 years, I could get a Gen 8.
👍 You bet, Thanks
👍 Don'rt worry the scx10 II is a awesome rig!
It SURE is! Did a great job in my last Video....
Great video!!
😁👍Thanks man!
Hey, I have a question, on my gen 8, the steering is a bit loose, and can turn side to side with my hand, I just recently bought it, maybe ran it 3 times, also the front left tire is cambered in, all of this doesnt seem right to me as i am a bit new to high end RCs, Do you know if this is normal? and how can I resolve these issues?
Hi you can't adjust the camber on this truck? sure your not speaking of toe in or toe out tires pointing like this \ / or like this / \ a 4wd has the front of the tires pointed outwards a bit. you can adjust that by adjusting the front tie rod ends by unscrewing them or tightening them up. the gen 8 has a little play in the steering it's not 100% wiggle free. Thanks for watching.
@@ShenRC okay, the front tires are like / | .... thanks for the tip though :)
@@doublea6364 then you need to loosen the tie rod end to the steering block on the side with the tire crooked pointing in.. unscrew a couple turns and put it back on see it should get straighter from doing this.
Very cool mod!!
👍 Worked like a charm, Thanks
AWESOME video man! Been watching you for a while definitely one of my favorite RC guys to watch very informative and straight to the point keep it up my man! Was this the only steering mod you had done? Stock pan hard location and everything?
👍 Thanks! I think I have another video ware I bend the front steering rod so it wont hit anything on the axle pumpkin for the gen8, This mod in this video works wonders definitely do it.👍
Free is for me cool mod the new wheels look good bro
😉👍 Yep free is always a good thing! Thank you
Nice mod.
😉 Thanks bro
Excelente.
😀👍Thank you I appreciate it.
Hello Steve pro tip remove the piece you're working on and put it in a vise if you don't have a vise use a vise grip to hold it while you grind so that you don't have to wrap paper towels around your truck and you won't have the thing moving around as much
😁Yea I know I was just lazy and tried doing it on the truck. Thanks for watching.
There’s a video on UA-cam a guy installed a brace from where the panhard connect to axel to the top left screw on your axel cover. Adds the stiffness and drastically improves the bump steer. It’s almost practically gone I may do this mod as well and it will probably be perfect👍🏼👍🏼
Hi with this mod the bumpsteer is gone.
Awesome tip Steve! Great job brother!😎👍
😉Thank you brother
Nice mod, but Redcat cars do seem it need more tweeking than most.
😁👍 Yes they sure do! Thanks
No it's perfectly fine out of the box I have one he just can't help to rig and tinker with shit lol, they make the servo horn the way it is for a reason.
@@stpbasss3773 Could you go rag on somebody else you are pathetic!
@@stpbasss3773 Tinkering is part of the hobby and to make them a little better. These are help videos for people want more out of there cars.
@@BasBoyRC I know but half of his mods on his RCs is the opposite of a fix or upgrade, not all but a lot of his mods are just his opinion and if you try to tell him why it might not be as good as he thinks he will defend it to the death.
Another solution is the steering link flip . . Move to bottom side instead of stock location
Hi Yes I know but I don't like this method because it then gets so low it scrapes everything for how I run my gen 8. Thanks
The fastener is a NYLON LOCK NUT. If the bolt passes through the nylon you don’t need thread locker. Also next time start the bolt and before tightening the bolt down start the nut onto the bolt. Holding the nut with pliers then you can tighten down the bolt and then snug up the nut.
😁 Dude I know this already but even these nylon lock nuts come loose hence why you even need to put loc tite on RC cars wheel nuts that are nylon locking because they still become loose. Had to tighten it the way I shown because the screw threaded into the servo horn also so you had to tighten the screw down tight in the servo horn then put the nut on...👍 I know what I am doing been in this hobby for over 35 years 😁
Nice video man, but does anyone really care about the tiny amount of bump steer these vehicles have? I think on my bucket list of things I want, that doesn't make the the top 20. Anyway, thumbs up for your efforts :)
👍 Yea I did not care because it's so slow it doesn't matter to much but when you can eliminate the problem for FREE I am all for it and it's easy to do also. Thanks for watching.
I care a lot really when reversing quickly or using strong drag brake it pulls pretty bad I think
could of just moved the steering rod to the bottom position and acomplished the same thing and not lost ground clearance because the diff still sticks down way lower
Hi I like my method way better your way sets it low on the axle and will get more scraped and hung up on stuff hence why I chose not to do it... no sense lowing the tie rod when you don't have to.