I once knew a gay Amish man. He left his religion and was infinitely happier. Like so many of us gay people, he found his family for himself outside the church.
For many, the fear of the unknown keeps them imprisoned in the Amish community, and it's understandable since being Amish is all they know. But for the ones who take that risk and leave, they soon discover there is a whole another world outside of the Amish way of life.
@@scarpien Wise words indeed. The Amish way of life has a unique cultural charm, and it would be a shame to lose it. I can relate to anyone's pain who are forced to do so in order to let them lead a happy life. But the pain is more than worth the gain.
These are feeling NOT UNIQUE to Amish. I am gay and i went thru the SAME thing coming out, and i cannot live a lie. God made us and he doesn't make mistakes.
Same here. I was raised Roman Catholic. In time, my parents and I reconciled, but they have never fully accepted me. I did find another faith and became a Hindu.
I wonder if deeply religious people ever regret the pain, fear, sadness and confusion that religious dogma causes? I grew up in a devoutly Catholic family. But when I came out to them as a gay man, every single family member expressed their love and understanding to me. They were able to cherish their love of god without doubting their love of me, or mine for them. Truly moral people, like truly patriotic people, do not swallow the senseless idea that genuine humanity only includes people who obey trivial, ancient mythologies, or people who will defend an unjustified war because a belligerent president demanded unthinking loyalty. I love people who refuse to hate, and who keep truth as their North Star! You are the true adherents to the wisdom of prophets, and I salute your courage of conviction.
There are certainly enough gay Amish. Working around them in Iowa, I know this. So many gay married Amish men. Yet still get together in secret with others. I left the Mormon church and never once looked back.
Just curious, do you still consider yourself Mormon? Or did you leave religious faith of any kind all together? I was raised Catholic, struggled mightily. First love i found ended up being Mormon, it was too difficult for him though. We split up and left me devastated.
This video is so redundant. How many times do you have to say the same thing over the course of an almost 10-minute video? Most organized religions seek to control their members, often alienating the very people who need our love, understanding, and acceptance the most.
Ugh! This disturbs me so much! Everyone has the absolute right to live their true self no matter what situation or community they may be involved in. Terrible that family would shun them away.🤬
Back in 2000 I met a Amish guy we were both 21 years old and we secretly met when we could an as time went on I started to fall in love with him but his family found out about us and I never saw him again it broke my heart I have always wondered what happened to him even to this day
He was probably unbaptized so not much would have happened to him, beyond a stern admonition that he would have to stop this if he wished to be baptized and join the community. He is likely married with 7 kids.
@@dhhenry7558 the unbaptized youth are not under church rules and are therefore not disciplined by the church, only by their parents. Which is why you will find Amish youth on rumspringa drinking, smoking, driving cars, going to bars and movies, and doing many other things that would get baptized members now under church rules, excommunicated and shunned. But yes you are correct, like 85 - 95% of Old Order Amish youth, he chose church and family over an outsider and the world.
As a gay man... My Partner and I have associated with More Straight people than Gay.. So many Gay men (and especially lesbians) live in a bubble... They live as Gay men all the time... that is not real life. My sexuality has no impact on my profession, politics, health, wellbeing, etc. We are 100% part of our community..
@@joemancurreri6635 I don't discriminate anybody on day myself but I'm going to tell you something I have more stray friends they have they have helped me in a lot of things that my gay friends actually my gay friends had turned her back on me defend me in any way they can.
I pray that someday, even if its with the grandchildren of today's newborns, amish will accept gays. Making room for new things and beliefs. Even it means embracing changes of old opinions. Just as the world has been doing since the begining.
I hope that everyone who believes in any religion will become smarter and become able to think scientifically while understanding that there is no god that we need to try to please or pray to. Kindness, intellect, compassion, empathy and reasoning should prevail.
@@shawnlong4039 Kindness, intellect, compassion, empathy and reasoning r all important things. But I believe in God. The real problem is ppl r putting their own opinionated beliefs into his words; and thus don't know what is truely his. Until the time comes to meet him. If there was no God, then there's no Heaven to reunite with all of our lost relatives and dear friends.
It's not only religion ! so easy to blame religion.. It's always relating to community pressures. My mother was not a religious person, and never wanted to see me after she found out I was gay.. I am a very successful Architect and Engineer, and owned a large firm in NY.. My partner of 30 years and I adopted 2 babies, who are our life, and joy.. My dad loved me , my partner and our son's (now 26 and 27). Yet my dad was a Born again Christian.. His church always loved us. Our son's are intelligent, successful, are starting families and live within 2 miles from our home in North East Coastal Florida. We are love and accepted here in our community in Florida. BTW: We originally lived in a suburb of NYC, and those neighbors were not so welcoming...
I watched the video mainly out of curiosity. I kinda already knew the answer. I do sympathize with the difficult decision a gay Amish will have to make. On the other hand, I've spent my whole life moving away from people who wanted me to conform, even my own family.
It was common back in the 1950's for a priest to counsel a man confessing homosexual tendencies or actions to get married. It happened to a friend of mine. I have known of priests in Ireland who entered the priesthood because they were gay and did not want to be forced into getting married. My Portuguese friends told me the same about some gay men in Portugal who became priests or brothers to escape marriage.
My mother and step father were very judgmental and intolerant of homosexual men. My stepfather nearly had a heart attack when he was told that his brother had been arrested for indecency with another man and it was going to be in the local newspaper at the weekend. Off he goes to read the riot act to him for bringing disgrace on the family name only to find that he had packed up and gone. We never heard of him again and we were never allowed to mention his name. Some years later after my stepfather had died, my mother said that she had information that he had gone to live in Australia. She then said that if she thought that I was like him she would slit her wrists.
so true. I was Mormon and found they tortured gays, so i left and was much happier... originally i went to a church that totally accepted everyone (MCC)... then later I found out that scriptures are fake and human made, so now i just do what is ethical and reasonable... my first change came as a teenager, rejecting the idea of going to war, which was ok then, i just served in hospitals and after that finished my college... later needed work, so returned to hospital work for 40 years and retired recently... life is good away from cults...
How to stretch 15 seconds into ten minutes: nice. Also, if you enter “picture of Amish boy band” into an AI site, I bet many of those images will come up.
many years ago the Real World had Amish folks who were doing "rumspringa" where they leave to try outside life before deciding to be baptized. it was very fun to watch.
I would think this is a personal struggle with in the family and even though Amish, would be different in each case . You would find the Mormons have similar issues and as most , leave the church eventually, albeit probably harder among Amish because their education is slightly behind the normal societal levels. It’s too bad they cannot find better means to speak and get counseling for this! Those that go outside the Amish community, hopefully meet a supportive and helpful gay person from which to decide what they should do for themselves . To have love is a basic need in life!
Gays are everywhere, in any people and societies. At all times, there were gays, rich or poor. It is said that 5 to 7% of men are born gay. Women is even higher.
yes about Mormons, i had to leave to preserve my well being, that was even before the 1990s when they were pushing political anti gay stuff. i am much happier 30 years later. when they ask if i am coming back, I simply say Is it SAFE yet? No it is not.
Anyone who would choose an imaginary space daddy who only rewards you when you are dead over a real human child is beyond stupid. They are cruel and against the very spirit of "God" The amount of death caused by religion is staggering.
TRUE ! But have Christians acted with the true teachings of Christ ? And we all know that throughout history, Christians have always embraced all religions. They loved the Jews, the Native Americans, the Hindi, the Muslims, etc. Let’s have a reality check here.
Clearly you have not read 1Corinthians 5:9--13. Might as well read 2Corinthians 6:14-18, to get a better understanding on how Christians should live in the world.
Forgiveness is given to those who stop and sin no more. But for those who wish to continue in sin, excommunication is the answer to that. Forgiveness is not permission to live in sin.
@@FrugalFuel judgement will always exist, even without religion, as it is a our primary survival ability. To know right from wrong, safe from unsafe, good from bad, acceptable from unacceptable, edible from inedible, healthy from unhealthy, truth from error, etc. Without our inborn ability to be judgemental, or to use the more positive word discerning, we would be extinct as a species. People will arrive at certain conclusions about things, be it lifestyle, politics, food choices, sexual activity and orientation, religion, etc. and form groups with likeminded people that exclude those who think differently from themselves. Driven by our survival instinct to gather with those who share our values, beliefs and world view. The flocking instinct of safety in numbers causes us to form association groups, with those who have different values, beliefs and world views, seen as a primal threat to our safety and survival. The stronger a group's self identify is, the more closed they will be to any ideas, beliefs or practices foreign to that of the group. For a group gives a sense of identity, of belonging, of safety, of protection to it's members. Thereby fulfilling our basic instincts for survival and self preservation. Thus the Amish rejection of homosexuality, is much deeper than just a religious bias or quirk.
It's definitely a lifelong struggle for many who are raised on a religious household. Amish or not, because of other expectations, many choose to live a lie by marrying and having children. In the process, all live miserable lives. That happened to my cousin a few others I know. I chose a different path by being truthful to myself.
It was common back in the 1950's for a priest to counsel a man confessing homosexual tendencies or actions to get married. It happened to a friend of mine. I have known of priests in Ireland who entered the priesthood because they were gay and did not want to be forced into getting married. My Portuguese friends told me the same about some gay men in Portugal who became priests or brothers to escape marriage.
@@IslandHome-o5v Sadly, some of them are exposed to young boys and their abuses are well known. I’m not singling out the priests as youth pastors at other Christians and Jewish faiths have committed the same crimes.
If an Amish man in midlife has to leave the community they are at risk of poverty if they become disabled or when they become too old to work for themselves. They may not earn enough or contribute long enough to social security out in the secular world.. Their only recourse would be welfare or food stamps. Even with social security and medicare life can be tough if you have contributed to it all your life. It is a scary prospect.
The Catholic Church calls it a disorder of human nature that must be resisted. The only option for such people is a life of chastity. In October 1986 the then prefect of the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH (formerly the Holy office of the Inquisition) Cardinal Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI published a letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the pastoral care of homosexual persons. There is some sympathy expressed in the letter but the bottom line is that homosexual acts are a grave sin and the only option for people thus afflicted is a life of chastity. I think you will find that most Othodox Jews and Muslims would share this view.
The video keeps talking about the gay Amish individuals who stay because of their fear of losing their family, financial standing and 'close knit' community if they leave. But when this same 'community' punishes, ostracizes them for being who they are, what is close/tight knit about that?
Our major religions have a very narrow knowledge of human sexuality and base it on biblical interpretations and misinterpretations. Jesus Christ in all his ministry never brought up the subject of sexuality. The Old Testatament brings it up especially in the book of Leviticus and beware what you read in the old testament. In the book of Joshua whole populations with their animals were annihilated because of the "promises " of God to Abraham. The old testament has too many inconsistencies. Sexuality is even misunderstood even in our modern times. No one chooses his or her sexuality it's controlled by our hormonal system. All of us have both male and female hormones, they sometimes overlap each other. To put the stain of sin on the backs of people with homosexual tendencies is cruel and dishonorable. Unfortunately religion sometimes makes us very narrowminded !!
@@aaronkingston3444 I don't worship the Bible, I worship Jesus. If you were born gay and have a problem with your sexuality that is your problem to deal with. If not, worry about your own sins instead of trying to find sin in others. God bless you on your journey.
I am a Plain Friend. A Gay Friend is one who dresses in colors. I worked for Yearly Meeting and I would always say that I am a gay Friend who dresses as a plain friend. I'm totally out. I'm married to a man and we are supported in our Meeting.
This is exactly what so many gay and lesbian actors in Hollywood did for decades (sham marriages) - and probably still do? How sad - it's 2024 and so many people are still ignorant and have no understanding of the real truth about human sexuality, often because of religious bigotry and blind allegiance to the 'word' of the cruel 'God' of the horrific Old Testament.
I am so tired of documentaries being made in which no one actually talks to members of that community; to let the people actually speak for themselves.
Scarier still is the fact that most comments these days are also AI generated, especially the ones praising videos like this one for being so great and unique and inspiring, etc. There is a growing belief that the Internet as we knew it has long since died and the majority of it is now run by AI bots both posting and responding. I have no doubt this is absolutely true. I'm 52 and have seen the Internet being born, thrive, and now completely collapse into an utter AI-generated (or degenerated) wasteland. :(
The Amish in my area acknowledge same sex attraction. Men and women are required to be celibate.Women are school teachers. The men are bachelors. Their belief is love the sinner hate the sin.
Your making that up, because it's not what the Bible teaches. Read 1Corinthians 5:9-13 and 2Corinthians 6:14-18. That is what the Amish believe. Not this new age hippy dippy love the sinner hate the sin nonsense. You will note that the Amish both excommunicate and shun the sinner.
@aaronkingston3444 No I didn't make it up. I heard it right from community members. Having an attraction and not acting on those thoughts is not a sin. Since you're quoting the bible I must assume you consider yourself a Christian. By your own words you hate everyone in the world including yourself. We are ALL sinners. Jesus also told us to love our enemies, sinners included. I feel sorry for you. You must live a lonely life. May God Bless you
@user-vp4pv4wy7r you speak like a Calvinist. Everything Calvin taught goes against the Bible, such as declaring that we are all sinners. No sir, I am part of the redeemed, forgiven from my sin by the blood of Jesus. You too can be forgiven of your sin and stop being a sinner, once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. What words exactly were those that I used to indicate that I hate everyone including myself? Feel free to quote them.
Its sad your so gullible, so easy to fool, you cant figure out that the world is full of suffering and injustice far worse than someones desire to rear end another yet you are more concerned for them??????
I have read the fiction set of books "A forbidden rumspringa" which is about two Amish teenage men and their struggle with their homosexuallity and love for each other. It brought a lot out about the Amish community. I am a gay Christian and am out to the church I attend. Some in the church accept me for who I am others don't but thats their problem.
The Amish are not concerned about the sinfulness of outsiders. Amish law only applies to baptised members within the congregation, not to unbelievers outside the congregation.
I would like to write this for the gay men in the Amish community, and I hope that someone will read it. I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience within the Amish community. In the past, I’ve heard that they would shun their own if they didn't follow the community's way of life. The experience sounds like something I would never want to be a part of. I believe that the world is full of many different people with many different life experiences. Each one of us is unique, and I think it's important that we celebrate our differences. What you are feeling is completely normal and it’s understandable how being shunned by family could be devastating. While a lot of people see your situation as negative, I personally see it as an opportunity to build a fulfilling life free of constraints and negativity. I really can’t help but notice how much you truly do appreciate your family. Despite what they’ve done, I’d like to believe that they genuinely love you and are well-meaning. However, their attempts to convince you to abandon your individuality and conform to their way of life are a violation of who you are. I’m sorry that your family has not been more accepting of your identity.
"Do you hear those noises coming from the Schwarzschmid barn? It sounds like Brother Jeremiah and Brother Jebediah are churning butter late in the day. Again. Why, they are good workers of the Lord indeed, aren't they. A good example for the flock."
@@aaronkingston3444 No, beng Jewish I have not read those sections, nor do I think it would change the misunderstanding of the prohibition on same sex relationships. Here is the short version of the misunderstanding. Until 1869, there was no concept of homoseulity. Until then it was assumed every man was attracted to women. Wise people may have known better but for most there was no concept that for some, heterosexual relationship was impossible. Leviticus 18:22 should be read as "Thou (heterosexual man) shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination." It is heterosexual men who are prohibited from same sex relationships. These passages not apply to homosexual men. The idea that these passages should also apply to homosexuals is crazy. It destroys the life of a homosexual man. And the Bible is not meant to destroy lives. That's the short version.
We are creatures of sex. How can Amish or any other people lie about their true sexual feelings? Such lies create miserable and less productive life. Assuming there is a 'God", that "God" put that sexual feeling inside us. Going against our true feeling must be considered a 'sin'.
Oddly enough, or perhaps not, but it is mainly scandals of a sexual nature that read about concerning priests. In my lifetime in my country I lived through two Bishops involved in scandals with married women and who stepped down, and a Cardinal who was seducing his seminarians. In the 1980's we had a cathedral priest administration arrested for indecency in a public lavatory, and many others in many places who were unable to resist their natural carnal needs despite vowing or promising a life of chastity.
I think the Amish are to strict. With their rules. On sex.what business is it of the community what one does behind close doors. I can understand if they were flaunting their sexual tennis in public but most of the gay men keep it them selves. I think a lot of the problem is women don’t like it and they are the majority of the law makers.
i was Mormon and even tho I left, I still do the genealogy... most relatives were not Mormon, but I know about a dozen gay family members in my family tree... i love saying this as it simply shows it is genetic and it confounds the anti-gays.... LOLOL. imagine the inbread amish family tree.... definitely many gays and lesbians will be there, even if playing the silent game...
I didn't just dump religion, i also understand all religions are man made. Never shackle your life to nonsense that was made up by goat herders who probably herded a few goats when fairy tales were written down. Keeping a fairy tale club in your life is like keeping pacifier in your mouth. There are better things to keep in your mouth that are not a pacifier.
Once again, religion separates people, as opposed to bringing them together. I have no use for Any religion. I realized when I was about seven years old that the god concept is something that man invented. I have always been atheist, and there is not a chance I would live any other way. I view religions as just a means to control the masses.
@Fenrir-cf5rt. That's what I thought. Everybody looks the same. Along with the bland narration, it really dilutes the information imparted, which isn't that valuable anyway.
Just another problem with religion in general. Another set of ways religion causes harm and dysfunction. Trying to warp real life into a fairy tale. We could do it the other way and make the fairy tales reflect real life. But where would the cruelty be in that?
The narration is in English. Why are subtitles used? In this video the Amish men are very handsome. That has to be tough for an Amish Gay man. Why would they want to leave all those handsome men to associate with less than handsome men in the sinful outside world?
Language evolves. For instance, "homosexuality" is new word describing a new conceptual understanding. It didn't exist 150 years ago and didn't appear in any Bible prior to 1946.
Här är Bibeln, gamla testamentet och Quranen lika fördömmande. Är man drabbad har man att välja, anpassning eller sorti. Sverige har valt en medelväg, anpassning av tro till personligt tycke och smak. Låter sympatiskt men lämnar konsekvenser....
None of the major religions fought against racism at the times of slavery and the bible and the coran were not used to defend what was right at that time. So interpretation of the bible and the coran is what makes the injustice of discrimination subsist to this day.
I don't know about the Quran but the Orginal Bible did not condemn homosexuality. The passages that people use today are misinterpretations or altered to make it seem like God is condemning homosexuality.
I once knew a gay Amish man. He left his religion and was infinitely happier. Like so many of us gay people, he found his family for himself outside the church.
Awesome for him, love it
Armistead Maupin talks about the "logical family" a family comprised of gay friends and the sometimes painful necessity to leave ones biologica family
Those are called Friends Jeff..
For many, the fear of the unknown keeps them imprisoned in the Amish community, and it's understandable since being Amish is all they know. But for the ones who take that risk and leave, they soon discover there is a whole another world outside of the Amish way of life.
@@scarpien Wise words indeed. The Amish way of life has a unique cultural charm, and it would be a shame to lose it. I can relate to anyone's pain who are forced to do so in order to let them lead a happy life. But the pain is more than worth the gain.
These are feeling NOT UNIQUE to Amish. I am gay and i went thru the SAME thing coming out, and i cannot live a lie. God made us and he doesn't make mistakes.
We're you born and raised amish??and in what state?.
Very well said
@@waynewayne2523 living a lie must be the worst thing
It is he who made us and not we ourselves
@@FrugalFuel the worst thing is being mothered to lie. it is no life, it is regretted existence.
Same here. I was raised Roman Catholic. In time, my parents and I reconciled, but they have never fully accepted me. I did find another faith and became a Hindu.
I wonder if deeply religious people ever regret the pain, fear, sadness and confusion that religious dogma causes?
I grew up in a devoutly Catholic family. But when I came out to them as a gay man, every single family member expressed their love and understanding to me. They were able to cherish their love of god without doubting their love of me, or mine for them.
Truly moral people, like truly patriotic people, do not swallow the senseless idea that genuine humanity only includes people who obey trivial, ancient mythologies, or people who will defend an unjustified war because a belligerent president demanded unthinking loyalty.
I love people who refuse to hate, and who keep truth as their North Star! You are the true adherents to the wisdom of prophets, and I salute your courage of conviction.
Well said!
Well said, I wish more people could spread love more. The world needs LOVE
Very well said indeed. Thank you for sharing. I agree with you completely and I salute you.
There are certainly enough gay Amish. Working around them in Iowa, I know this. So many gay married Amish men. Yet still get together in secret with others.
I left the Mormon church and never once looked back.
Just curious, do you still consider yourself Mormon? Or did you leave religious faith of any kind all together? I was raised Catholic, struggled mightily. First love i found ended up being Mormon, it was too difficult for him though. We split up and left me devastated.
I am sure there are! Just like any other. I would get my heart broke if I lived close to them again.
same here, me too!
This video is so redundant. How many times do you have to say the same thing over the course of an almost 10-minute video? Most organized religions seek to control their members, often alienating the very people who need our love, understanding, and acceptance the most.
I agree. I think it's a record for saying the same sentences in 50 different ways.
@@bobgappa3338 thanks for stopping by
It's so common among many on youtube.
I didn't get through it all!
Ugh! This disturbs me so much! Everyone has the absolute right to live their true self no matter what situation or community they may be involved in.
Terrible that family would shun them away.🤬
I absolutely agree with you, it's heartbreaking
Back in 2000 I met a Amish guy we were both 21 years old and we secretly met when we could an as time went on I started to fall in love with him but his family found out about us and I never saw him again it broke my heart I have always wondered what happened to him even to this day
He was probably unbaptized so not much would have happened to him, beyond a stern admonition that he would have to stop this if he wished to be baptized and join the community.
He is likely married with 7 kids.
Very sad to hear.
@@freddyhoyt1849 oh noo, I hope he managed to break free from it all and have the courage to be himself
I am surprised he wasn’t shunned? Or they gave him the ultimatum dump the guy or be shunned? I guess he loved his family more then you?
@@dhhenry7558 the unbaptized youth are not under church rules and are therefore not disciplined by the church, only by their parents. Which is why you will find Amish youth on rumspringa drinking, smoking, driving cars, going to bars and movies, and doing many other things that would get baptized members now under church rules, excommunicated and shunned.
But yes you are correct, like 85 - 95% of Old Order Amish youth, he chose church and family over an outsider and the world.
This is what religion do they separate humanity. And God doesn't like that God wants everybody together in peace and love.
As a gay man... My Partner and I have associated with More Straight people than Gay.. So many Gay men (and especially lesbians) live in a bubble... They live as Gay men all the time... that is not real life. My sexuality has no impact on my profession, politics, health, wellbeing, etc. We are 100% part of our community..
@@joemancurreri6635 I don't discriminate anybody on day myself but I'm going to tell you something I have more stray friends they have they have helped me in a lot of things that my gay friends actually my gay friends had turned her back on me defend me in any way they can.
I pray that someday, even if its with the grandchildren of today's newborns, amish will accept gays. Making room for new things and beliefs. Even it means embracing changes of old opinions. Just as the world has been doing since the begining.
I pray never ever helps ...nobody is listening to you....
I hope that everyone who believes in any religion will become smarter and become able to think scientifically while understanding that there is no god that we need to try to please or pray to. Kindness, intellect, compassion, empathy and reasoning should prevail.
@@shawnlong4039 Yes--thank you, Shawn. Well said.
@shawnlong4039 Hello Handsome
@@shawnlong4039 Kindness, intellect, compassion, empathy and reasoning r all important things. But I believe in God. The real problem is ppl r putting their own opinionated beliefs into his words; and thus don't know what is truely his. Until the time comes to meet him. If there was no God, then there's no Heaven to reunite with all of our lost relatives and dear friends.
It's not only religion ! so easy to blame religion.. It's always relating to community pressures. My mother was not a religious person, and never wanted to see me after she found out I was gay.. I am a very successful Architect and Engineer, and owned a large firm in NY.. My partner of 30 years and I adopted 2 babies, who are our life, and joy.. My dad loved me , my partner and our son's (now 26 and 27). Yet my dad was a Born again Christian.. His church always loved us. Our son's are intelligent, successful, are starting families and live within 2 miles from our home in North East Coastal Florida. We are love and accepted here in our community in Florida. BTW: We originally lived in a suburb of NYC, and those neighbors were not so welcoming...
@@joemancurreri6635 that's soo sad, she missed out in all those memories and beautiful moments, that she can never get back.
I watched the video mainly out of curiosity. I kinda already knew the answer. I do sympathize with the difficult decision a gay Amish will have to make. On the other hand, I've spent my whole life moving away from people who wanted me to conform, even my own family.
It was common back in the 1950's for a priest to counsel a man confessing homosexual tendencies or actions to get married. It happened to a friend of mine. I have known of priests in Ireland who entered the priesthood because they were gay and did not want to be forced into getting married. My Portuguese friends told me the same about some gay men in Portugal who became priests or brothers to escape marriage.
My mother and step father were very judgmental and intolerant of homosexual men. My stepfather nearly had a heart attack when he was told that his brother had been arrested for indecency with another man and it was going to be in the local newspaper at the weekend. Off he goes to read the riot act to him for bringing disgrace on the family name only to find that he had packed up and gone. We never heard of him again and we were never allowed to mention his name. Some years later after my stepfather had died, my mother said that she had information that he had gone to live in Australia. She then said that if she thought that I was like him she would slit her wrists.
Wow, that's a LOT! People especially families need to be more accepting, no one would just "choose" this out of fun
Family can be very controlling and judgemental, people just need to spread and embrace love
Would love to have me a Amish, man
Where are you from?
What state? Age?
I was rased in an evangelical, former roman catholic family. I've decided to have no religion at the age 16. Religion is a prision. I'm 50 y.o. now.
I hear you
so true. I was Mormon and found they tortured gays, so i left and was much happier... originally i went to a church that totally accepted everyone (MCC)... then later I found out that scriptures are fake and human made, so now i just do what is ethical and reasonable... my first change came as a teenager, rejecting the idea of going to war, which was ok then, i just served in hospitals and after that finished my college... later needed work, so returned to hospital work for 40 years and retired recently... life is good away from cults...
Many years ago, I went to a gay club in Lancaster PA. At midnight that club filled with Amish boys.
i hope they are all having good lives... maybe if the elders dont see them, they wont know about it...
How to stretch 15 seconds into ten minutes: nice.
Also, if you enter “picture of Amish boy band” into an AI site, I bet many of those images will come up.
I was thinking, "Do all young Amish men look like models?" It's refreshing though, because gay characters in dramas are usually not the best-looking.
many years ago the Real World had Amish folks who were doing "rumspringa" where they leave to try outside life before deciding to be baptized. it was very fun to watch.
Too repetitive!
I would think this is a personal struggle with in the family and even though Amish, would be different in each case . You would find the Mormons have similar issues and as most , leave the church eventually, albeit probably harder among Amish because their education is slightly behind the normal societal levels. It’s too bad they cannot find better means to speak and get counseling for this! Those that go outside the Amish community, hopefully meet a supportive and helpful gay person from which to decide what they should do for themselves . To have love is a basic need in life!
Gays are everywhere, in any people and societies. At all times, there were gays, rich or poor.
It is said that 5 to 7% of men are born gay.
Women is even higher.
why are you all so afraid to mention the "religion" that throws gays off roofs?
yes about Mormons, i had to leave to preserve my well being, that was even before the 1990s when they were pushing political anti gay stuff. i am much happier 30 years later. when they ask if i am coming back, I simply say Is it SAFE yet? No it is not.
Anyone who would choose an imaginary space daddy who only rewards you when you are dead over a real human child is beyond stupid. They are cruel and against the very spirit of "God" The amount of death caused by religion is staggering.
Thats a great way of disgribing God as Space Daddy . iv'e never heard that before !
see my reply to robertwrede7843 above.
Shunning in any religion is an evil anti-Christian act of betrayal against the teachings of Christ
TRUE ! But have Christians acted with the true teachings of Christ ? And we all know that throughout history, Christians have always embraced all religions. They loved the Jews, the Native Americans, the Hindi, the Muslims, etc. Let’s have a reality check here.
Clearly you have not read 1Corinthians 5:9--13. Might as well read 2Corinthians 6:14-18, to get a better understanding on how Christians should live in the world.
So much for unconditional love.
Despite of religion and family values I wish the Amish would grant forgiveness to homosexuals and not shun or drive them out of their community.
Forgiveness is given to those who stop and sin no more. But for those who wish to continue in sin, excommunication is the answer to that. Forgiveness is not permission to live in sin.
I hear you, but we live in a very judgemental world 😢
Truth is we are all sinners, because we are humans
@@FrugalFuel judgement will always exist, even without religion, as it is a our primary survival ability. To know right from wrong, safe from unsafe, good from bad, acceptable from unacceptable, edible from inedible, healthy from unhealthy, truth from error, etc.
Without our inborn ability to be judgemental, or to use the more positive word discerning, we would be extinct as a species.
People will arrive at certain conclusions about things, be it lifestyle, politics, food choices, sexual activity and orientation, religion, etc. and form groups with likeminded people that exclude those who think differently from themselves. Driven by our survival instinct to gather with those who share our values, beliefs and world view.
The flocking instinct of safety in numbers causes us to form association groups, with those who have different values, beliefs and world views, seen as a primal threat to our safety and survival.
The stronger a group's self identify is, the more closed they will be to any ideas, beliefs or practices foreign to that of the group. For a group gives a sense of identity, of belonging, of safety, of protection to it's members. Thereby fulfilling our basic instincts for survival and self preservation.
Thus the Amish rejection of homosexuality, is much deeper than just a religious bias or quirk.
@@aaronkingston3444 You sound as though you are not gay and have never suffered the torment of a gay teenager!
It's definitely a lifelong struggle for many who are raised on a religious household. Amish or not, because of other expectations, many choose to live a lie by marrying and having children. In the process, all live miserable lives. That happened to my cousin a few others I know. I chose a different path by being truthful to myself.
@@GanyNobre Big up for being truthful to yourself
It was common back in the 1950's for a priest to counsel a man confessing homosexual tendencies or actions to get married. It happened to a friend of mine. I have known of priests in Ireland who entered the priesthood because they were gay and did not want to be forced into getting married. My Portuguese friends told me the same about some gay men in Portugal who became priests or brothers to escape marriage.
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Sadly, some of them are exposed to young boys and their abuses are well known. I’m not singling out the priests as youth pastors at other Christians and Jewish faiths have committed the same crimes.
If an Amish man in midlife has to leave the community they are at risk of poverty if they become disabled or when they become too old to work for themselves. They may not earn enough or contribute long enough to social security out in the secular world.. Their only recourse would be welfare or food stamps. Even with social security and medicare life can be tough if you have contributed to it all your life. It is a scary prospect.
Why people insist in repressing homosexuality when it’s just human nature
The Catholic Church calls it a disorder of human nature that must be resisted. The only option for such people is a life of chastity. In October 1986 the then prefect of the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH (formerly the Holy office of the Inquisition) Cardinal Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI published a letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the pastoral care of homosexual persons. There is some sympathy expressed in the letter but the bottom line is that homosexual acts are a grave sin and the only option for people thus afflicted is a life of chastity. I think you will find that most Othodox Jews and Muslims would share this view.
The video keeps talking about the gay Amish individuals who stay because of their fear of losing their family, financial standing and 'close knit' community if they leave. But when this same 'community' punishes, ostracizes them for being who they are, what is close/tight knit about that?
Our major religions have a very narrow knowledge of human sexuality and base it on biblical interpretations and misinterpretations. Jesus Christ in all his ministry never brought up the subject of sexuality. The Old Testatament brings it up especially in the book of Leviticus and beware what you read in the old testament. In the book of Joshua whole populations with their animals were annihilated because of the "promises " of God to Abraham. The old testament has too many inconsistencies. Sexuality is even misunderstood even in our modern times. No one chooses his or her sexuality it's controlled by our hormonal system. All of us have both male and female hormones, they sometimes overlap each other. To put the stain of sin on the backs of people with homosexual tendencies is cruel and dishonorable. Unfortunately religion sometimes makes us very narrowminded !!
The Bible says otherwise. Read Romans chapter 1.
That's what I say. Jesus never spoke about sexuality. In fact, he never married or had children, so who knows, right?
@@aaronkingston3444 The Bible says, NOT Jesus says. Don't believe everything you read. Especially if it isn't true.
@@coloradomntman2815 if it's in the Bible, it's from Jesus. Go read 2Timothy 3:16.
@@aaronkingston3444 I don't worship the Bible, I worship Jesus. If you were born gay and have a problem with your sexuality that is your problem to deal with. If not, worry about your own sins instead of trying to find sin in others. God bless you on your journey.
He repeats the same thing over and over again we get the point.
My understanding is that the video is only monetized if it is a certain length.
I suspect this video was scripted by AI.
I am a Plain Friend. A Gay Friend is one who dresses in colors. I worked for Yearly Meeting and I would always say that I am a gay Friend who dresses as a plain friend. I'm totally out. I'm married to a man and we are supported in our Meeting.
i also usually like plain colors, i had Friends as ancestors, and i never wear a suit or tie...
The A.I. photos are not representative. Actual Amish do not have mustaches, do not wear bow ties or belts, or wear western style hats.
true, and they dont build churches, meet in their homes or barns...
Amish guys should find a girl who likes girls and find a boy he loves and then secretly hold their relationship
Love this 😂🤣
This is exactly what so many gay and lesbian actors in Hollywood did for decades (sham marriages) - and probably still do? How sad - it's 2024 and so many people are still ignorant and have no understanding of the real truth about human sexuality, often because of religious bigotry and blind allegiance to the 'word' of the cruel 'God' of the horrific Old Testament.
I am so tired of documentaries being made in which no one actually talks to members of that community; to let the people actually speak for themselves.
Amish don't allow speaking out like that or being photographed.
Why does it seem like all of the newer videos like this are AI generated is this the future where humans no longer create content any longer?
Scarier still is the fact that most comments these days are also AI generated, especially the ones praising videos like this one for being so great and unique and inspiring, etc. There is a growing belief that the Internet as we knew it has long since died and the majority of it is now run by AI bots both posting and responding. I have no doubt this is absolutely true. I'm 52 and have seen the Internet being born, thrive, and now completely collapse into an utter AI-generated (or degenerated) wasteland. :(
The Amish in my area acknowledge same sex attraction. Men and women are required to be celibate.Women are school teachers. The men are bachelors. Their belief is love the sinner hate the sin.
Your making that up, because it's not what the Bible teaches. Read 1Corinthians 5:9-13 and 2Corinthians 6:14-18. That is what the Amish believe. Not this new age hippy dippy love the sinner hate the sin nonsense. You will note that the Amish both excommunicate and shun the sinner.
@aaronkingston3444 No I didn't make it up. I heard it right from community members. Having an attraction and not acting on those thoughts is not a sin. Since you're quoting the bible I must assume you consider yourself a Christian. By your own words you hate everyone in the world including yourself. We are ALL sinners. Jesus also told us to love our enemies, sinners included. I feel sorry for you. You must live a lonely life. May God Bless you
@user-vp4pv4wy7r you speak like a Calvinist. Everything Calvin taught goes against the Bible, such as declaring that we are all sinners.
No sir, I am part of the redeemed, forgiven from my sin by the blood of Jesus. You too can be forgiven of your sin and stop being a sinner, once you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
What words exactly were those that I used to indicate that I hate everyone including myself? Feel free to quote them.
so love the religioned, the perverted, hate the religions, the perverters.
I'd like to hear the testimonies of Amish Gay Men
@@tedbohn4738 when you find them ready to share on camera, please let me know
very repetitive video. but it is sad that there's so little support for LGBT members of the community.
Its sad your so gullible, so easy to fool, you cant figure out that the world is full of suffering and injustice far worse than someones desire to rear end another yet you are more concerned for them??????
Almost all of us with Christian backgrounds can relate. I gratefully was able to leave Christianity and find happiness being a gay man.
I have read the fiction set of books "A forbidden rumspringa" which is about two Amish teenage men and their struggle with their homosexuallity and love for each other. It brought a lot out about the Amish community. I am a gay Christian and am out to the church I attend. Some in the church accept me for who I am others don't but thats their problem.
They should just leave, live their lives the way they want!
@@rcac1023 I totally agree, I can't imagine having to suppress yourself your entire life
Yet, Scott Presler was able to register the Amish to the point they helped flip PA.
The Amish are not concerned about the sinfulness of outsiders. Amish law only applies to baptised members within the congregation, not to unbelievers outside the congregation.
The Amish basically are where the entire country was 50 years ago. At least they have the free choice to leave or stay & conform.
How many times can you say the exact same thing ? No insight here at all.
it sounded like an AI presentation... robots didnt take logic or writing classes very well...
I would like to write this for the gay men in the Amish community, and I hope that someone will read it.
I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience within the Amish community. In the past, I’ve heard that they would shun their own if they didn't follow the community's way of life. The experience sounds like something I would never want to be a part of. I believe that the world is full of many different people with many different life experiences. Each one of us is unique, and I think it's important that we celebrate our differences. What you are feeling is completely normal and it’s understandable how being shunned by family could be devastating. While a lot of people see your situation as negative, I personally see it as an opportunity to build a fulfilling life free of constraints and negativity. I really can’t help but notice how much you truly do appreciate your family. Despite what they’ve done, I’d like to believe that they genuinely love you and are well-meaning. However, their attempts to convince you to abandon your individuality and conform to their way of life are a violation of who you are. I’m sorry that your family has not been more accepting of your identity.
"Do you hear those noises coming from the Schwarzschmid barn? It sounds like Brother Jeremiah and Brother Jebediah are churning butter late in the day. Again. Why, they are good workers of the Lord indeed, aren't they. A good example for the flock."
The Amish have no idea just how destructive their understanding of Leviticus is.
It's not just Leviticus. Have you read Romans chapter 1, or 1Corinthians cpt 5 & 6?
@@aaronkingston3444 No, beng Jewish I have not read those sections, nor do I think it would change the misunderstanding of the prohibition on same sex relationships. Here is the short version of the misunderstanding. Until 1869, there was no concept of homoseulity. Until then it was assumed every man was attracted to women. Wise people may have known better but for most there was no concept that for some, heterosexual relationship was impossible. Leviticus 18:22 should be read as "Thou (heterosexual man) shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination." It is heterosexual men who are prohibited from same sex relationships. These passages not apply to homosexual men. The idea that these passages should also apply to homosexuals is crazy. It destroys the life of a homosexual man. And the Bible is not meant to destroy lives.
That's the short version.
I hate AI!
We are creatures of sex. How can Amish or any other people lie about their true sexual feelings? Such lies create miserable and less productive life. Assuming there is a 'God", that "God" put that sexual feeling inside us. Going against our true feeling must be considered a 'sin'.
Oddly enough, or perhaps not, but it is mainly scandals of a sexual nature that read about concerning priests. In my lifetime in my country I lived through two Bishops involved in scandals with married women and who stepped down, and a Cardinal who was seducing his seminarians. In the 1980's we had a cathedral priest administration arrested for indecency in a public lavatory, and many others in many places who were unable to resist their natural carnal needs despite vowing or promising a life of chastity.
Interesting topic. But the repeating of the same quotes and pictures are disturbing and take the concentration away. What a pity.
Your title page photograph is wrong, No mustaches!
Too much AI repeat repeat repeat
I think the Amish are to strict. With their rules. On sex.what business is it of the community what one does behind close doors. I can understand if they were flaunting their sexual tennis in public but most of the gay men keep it them selves. I think a lot of the problem is women don’t like it and they are the majority of the law makers.
it is definitely a CULT
The hypocrisy is overwhelming … of course there are gay Amish. Those repressing these feelings are living a lie and they know it.
i was Mormon and even tho I left, I still do the genealogy... most relatives were not Mormon, but I know about a dozen gay family members in my family tree... i love saying this as it simply shows it is genetic and it confounds the anti-gays.... LOLOL. imagine the inbread amish family tree.... definitely many gays and lesbians will be there, even if playing the silent game...
Is this any different than how most of us grew up?
Good point, Most people really went through the most
I didn't just dump religion, i also understand all religions are man made. Never shackle your life to nonsense that was made up by goat herders who probably herded a few goats when fairy tales were written down. Keeping a fairy tale club in your life is like keeping pacifier in your mouth. There are better things to keep in your mouth that are not a pacifier.
As Sportin' ' Life sang in 'Porgy and Bess'; - 'The things that you're liable to read in the Bible - it ain't necessarily so!' 🙂
amen amen
Once again, religion separates people, as opposed to bringing them together. I have no use for Any religion. I realized when I was about seven years old that the god concept is something that man invented. I have always been atheist, and there is not a chance I would live any other way. I view religions as just a means to control the masses.
Why do people constantly talk only about gay men. Talk about the women for once .
Nothing about this type of ignorance, regarding homosexuality, is unique to the Amish.
Too bad the still pictures are AI!..This takes away from any reputable attempt on this matter!!!
@Fenrir-cf5rt. That's what I thought. Everybody looks the same. Along with the bland narration, it really dilutes the information imparted, which isn't that valuable anyway.
Yes they are AI, didn't hide that anyone, also was not going to out any gay man on such a public platform. Thanks
Talk about drawing the short straw. Being born gay and Amish. Oofda.
I would suppose opening a gay bar would be real fun 😮
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Thank you😍
Just another problem with religion in general. Another set of ways religion causes harm and dysfunction. Trying to warp real life into a fairy tale. We could do it the other way and make the fairy tales reflect real life. But where would the cruelty be in that?
This is so terrible. What do you mean what if?
You roll around in the hay and don't tell anyone. It's been going on for centuries.
AI
Yes
No real information. The Author kows nothing about the Amish.
they are some of the most kind and giving people in NY State ! the rest of the state population are despicable!
I assume that these are AI images that are supposed to stand in for gay Amish men and are not actual footage of gay Amish men. Very deceptive!
Plus, the Amish don’t have churches. They worship in homes. He blabbed on and on and really said nothing.
No, they are standing in, as you say, for the Amish in general. Where will anyone find gay Amish pictures?? 🙄
also they dont build churches, but Mennonites maybe do... some Mennonites are accepting of gays...
Why do you use these horrible fake AI images ?
Try going to an Amish community and taking some pictures. Tell them that you're researching gay issues.
Where the hell would you get actual pictures of gay Amish men?
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Thank you, and I absolutely wouldn't want to our anyone on such a public platform
Nope, didn't want to out anyone, it wouldn't have been fair
The narration is in English. Why are subtitles used? In this video the Amish men are very handsome. That has to be tough for an Amish Gay man. Why would they want to leave all those handsome men to associate with less than handsome men in the sinful outside world?
IT IS AI..GENERATED!
When you're deaf, subtitles are important
Thumbs down for the unnecessary annoying caption.
How inappropriate to superimpose these banal, annoying electronic sounds over an article on Amish people! It makes the entire video appear fake.😊
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No suicides there, out of dispair?
alles irre!
Written words have one disadvantage, guess what!
Language evolves. For instance, "homosexuality" is new word describing a new conceptual understanding. It didn't exist 150 years ago and didn't appear in any Bible prior to 1946.
I give up. What?
Här är Bibeln, gamla testamentet och Quranen lika fördömmande. Är man drabbad har man att välja, anpassning eller sorti. Sverige har valt en medelväg, anpassning av tro till personligt tycke och smak. Låter sympatiskt men lämnar konsekvenser....
None of the major religions fought against racism at the times of slavery and the bible and the coran were not used to defend what was right at that time. So interpretation of the bible and the coran is what makes the injustice of discrimination subsist to this day.
I don't know about the Quran but the Orginal Bible did not condemn homosexuality. The passages that people use today are misinterpretations or altered to make it seem like God is condemning homosexuality.
You will be out
If we are honest what does the word of God say on this subject is this not the basis of Christianity???
What did Jesus specifically say on the topic of same sex attraction?
@@gordon3186 ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
He who is free of sin , may cast the first stone. We’re all sinners,be not judgmental of others.
afraid to mention the "religion " that kills gays? Islam...
@@harryw8474 --- So I take it you supported marriage equality...
It’s not too different from someone coming from an ultra conservative family. 🤷🏻♂️