@whiteeye3453 no? It's been a design practice challenge for years . I watch works by designs video, and you'll see it was the entire opposite of arrogant.
He also watched another Jim's UA-cam video so he had an idea but if it was out in the field no one has ever had to pick one before than probably would of taken much much longer
From what I understand BosnianBill who was one of the first lockpicking youtubes used the format since then Lockpicking Lawyer used the same format and became the lockpicking youtuber everyone thinks of used that format. Many lockpickers since then used the same format. One of the few lockpickers I can think of who does not number videos is Huxleypig but it is worth noting he posted his first lock video over a year before Bosnian. Another interesting note is that Bosnian used Parentheses instead of the brackets most others use.
One reason is it can really help in directing someone to a video of a particular lock. Perhaps they show off a new model of a lock already picked, or they used a novel opening method (LPL has a few >exceptional< methods, like LPL 545 where he opens one with a microwave - don't try this at home, kids) the numbers make for unambiguous references to specific videos.
Excellent Doc! After picking it and I'm sure you've talked with Jim about it too, what would you guys suggest the maker do to prevent that particular attack!
There are some options available, but I think maybe a bigger redesign might be the best route. This lock is already pretty complicated, and something like a reverse sidebar, for example on the Yuema 750, is both more simple and more pick resistant.
This channel might be small enough that someone actually sees my question: Outside of academic discussions or pure sport, what is the point of an unpickable lock? An ATM is pretty unpickable and they get at those, too. I would postulate that the purpose of a lock is to deter those whom opportunity might turn into thieves. Everyone who has made that decision beforehand will just jimmy the door. If anything, an unpickable lock will sooner or later keep out the owner if the key ever gets lost. I'd say no robber wastes his time with learning to pick a lock. The only people outside of fringe interest hobbyists who see a worth in having the skill are locksmiths... whom the owner calls to get at his personal possessions. I don't thin it is in anyone's interest to buy an unpickable lock...
Not an expert or even close to it, so take this with a grain of salt. Many insurance companies will refuse to honour the claims, if there were no signs of forced entry. E.g. a broken window, kicked in door, cut shackles etc. An unpickable lock will ensure that there is always a forced entry (with a few exceptions). Similarly, in some instances the goal isn't to prevent someone from getting past the locked door - it's to ensure that there is evidence of it for other reasons. This is why we have things like tamper-evident technology. It doesn't prevent someone from tampering with stuff - it just ensures there is evidence of it happening.
The cases are rare, but there are some examples I learned about many years ago when I worked at a place that was trying to get a contract for a special government project. They were required to get a kind of electronic dial safe that wasn’t particularly strong against physical attacks, but if you got the combination wrong 3 times it would go into a lockout mode where you had to dial the reactivation combination before you could try the regular combination again. And it was sensitive to “robotic motion” of the dials as well. The point wasn’t that nobody could break into it, but that nobody could get into it secretly. From what I’ve gathered from people I’ve known (in real life), the only “need” based applications for highest level of pick resistance are situations where covert espionage might realistically take place. When the bad actor (or good guy, depending on what side you’re on I suppose) wants to get information (access to a prototype, an air gapped computer, a contract, etc), but really doesn’t want the victim to know that somebody unauthorized now has that information. For most situations where you’re protecting tangible items of value, I don’t think there’s a point in getting out of balance between how long it takes a skilled person to pick something vs break it open destructively. Flimsy sheet steel or wood locked with an unpickable lock won’t protect valuables more than a 3 wall 1/2 “ plate steel safe secured with a master lock when the thief is going for a smash n’ grab. All that said, the marketing opportunity far outweighs the realistic use cases. There could be other examples I don’t know about, of course. But those are the few I’m aware of.
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Wow, you made short work of that, Hog! How many hours of practice did you have on this?
I had just received it in the mail about 30 minutes before I recorded the video. But I got a head start by watching Georgia Jim’s video, since he picked it first.
Sorry, couldn't make it through the video, did you run a marathon before recording your voiceover? the heavy labored breathing was a massive distraction.
@@DoctorHogmaster I hardly noticed any more than you'd expect for someone having a microphone right by their face. Some people will just complain about anything.
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Its really fun to watch these, thanks for being a part of this challenge! Also, really impressive intro and outro! did you animate /make these?
Thanks, I appreciate the opportunity to try your cleverly designed lock!
The intro/outro were done by Renderforest.
@@DoctorHogmaster Great lock design and picking! 🔐
When is lpl gonna have a crack, I wanna hear his thoughts.
Because claiming locker is unpickable is arrogance
@whiteeye3453 no? It's been a design practice challenge for years . I watch works by designs video, and you'll see it was the entire opposite of arrogant.
Great picking! I really enjoyed watching you and Jim pick this lock.
Thanks! It was a really unique and interesting design, and it took some abnormal technique to get into it.
Nice work and explanation of the pick Doc!
Thanks! It would have been much harder without the wisdom gained by your first pick.
Very nice, I never would have guessed it would feel like picking tapered pins, good job man
It was just at the end, the way things had to be tapped and nudged over and over again. Otherwise it felt… mushy and weird, haha. 🍻
His was really something amazing to watch ❤very cool 😎 Thanks so much for sharing 😉🤗🙌🫶
Thanks! 🍻
@DoctorHogmaster 😍😍
Great, thanks to works by design I get to sub to another master picker. Great job on the pick
I’m glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
Nice job
...that housing! I'd be challenged just to get it in a vice lol😂
Yeah, that was definitely the first challenge 🤣
I love how smart humans are to defeat all claims off unpickability.
He also watched another Jim's UA-cam video so he had an idea but if it was out in the field no one has ever had to pick one before than probably would of taken much much longer
Why do all lockpicking channels number their videos like that?
From what I understand BosnianBill who was one of the first lockpicking youtubes used the format since then Lockpicking Lawyer used the same format and became the lockpicking youtuber everyone thinks of used that format. Many lockpickers since then used the same format. One of the few lockpickers I can think of who does not number videos is Huxleypig but it is worth noting he posted his first lock video over a year before Bosnian. Another interesting note is that Bosnian used Parentheses instead of the brackets most others use.
One reason is it can really help in directing someone to a video of a particular lock.
Perhaps they show off a new model of a lock already picked, or they used a novel opening method (LPL has a few >exceptional< methods, like LPL 545 where he opens one with a microwave - don't try this at home, kids) the numbers make for unambiguous references to specific videos.
Very interesting lock
For sure, it’s not like anything I’ve seen before.
Excellent Doc!
After picking it and I'm sure you've talked with Jim about it too, what would you guys suggest the maker do to prevent that particular attack!
There are some options available, but I think maybe a bigger redesign might be the best route. This lock is already pretty complicated, and something like a reverse sidebar, for example on the Yuema 750, is both more simple and more pick resistant.
This channel might be small enough that someone actually sees my question:
Outside of academic discussions or pure sport, what is the point of an unpickable lock? An ATM is pretty unpickable and they get at those, too.
I would postulate that the purpose of a lock is to deter those whom opportunity might turn into thieves. Everyone who has made that decision beforehand will just jimmy the door. If anything, an unpickable lock will sooner or later keep out the owner if the key ever gets lost.
I'd say no robber wastes his time with learning to pick a lock. The only people outside of fringe interest hobbyists who see a worth in having the skill are locksmiths... whom the owner calls to get at his personal possessions.
I don't thin it is in anyone's interest to buy an unpickable lock...
Not an expert or even close to it, so take this with a grain of salt.
Many insurance companies will refuse to honour the claims, if there were no signs of forced entry. E.g. a broken window, kicked in door, cut shackles etc. An unpickable lock will ensure that there is always a forced entry (with a few exceptions).
Similarly, in some instances the goal isn't to prevent someone from getting past the locked door - it's to ensure that there is evidence of it for other reasons. This is why we have things like tamper-evident technology. It doesn't prevent someone from tampering with stuff - it just ensures there is evidence of it happening.
The cases are rare, but there are some examples I learned about many years ago when I worked at a place that was trying to get a contract for a special government project. They were required to get a kind of electronic dial safe that wasn’t particularly strong against physical attacks, but if you got the combination wrong 3 times it would go into a lockout mode where you had to dial the reactivation combination before you could try the regular combination again. And it was sensitive to “robotic motion” of the dials as well. The point wasn’t that nobody could break into it, but that nobody could get into it secretly.
From what I’ve gathered from people I’ve known (in real life), the only “need” based applications for highest level of pick resistance are situations where covert espionage might realistically take place. When the bad actor (or good guy, depending on what side you’re on I suppose) wants to get information (access to a prototype, an air gapped computer, a contract, etc), but really doesn’t want the victim to know that somebody unauthorized now has that information.
For most situations where you’re protecting tangible items of value, I don’t think there’s a point in getting out of balance between how long it takes a skilled person to pick something vs break it open destructively. Flimsy sheet steel or wood locked with an unpickable lock won’t protect valuables more than a 3 wall 1/2 “ plate steel safe secured with a master lock when the thief is going for a smash n’ grab.
All that said, the marketing opportunity far outweighs the realistic use cases.
There could be other examples I don’t know about, of course. But those are the few I’m aware of.
Wow, you made short work of that, Hog! How many hours of practice did you have on this?
I had just received it in the mail about 30 minutes before I recorded the video. But I got a head start by watching Georgia Jim’s video, since he picked it first.
I think if someone didn't have diagrams of how it works they couldn't pick it.
Sorry, couldn't make it through the video, did you run a marathon before recording your voiceover? the heavy labored breathing was a massive distraction.
I have asthma, and sometimes it acts up more than normal. But since I live with it every day, I don’t notice it as much as others apparently do.
@@DoctorHogmaster No worries, that dude was just an asshole looking for something to be annoyed about.
@@DoctorHogmaster I hardly noticed any more than you'd expect for someone having a microphone right by their face. Some people will just complain about anything.