Accepting Biological Sex IS Compassionate | Kara Dansky
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Kara Dansky is a feminist, lawyer, and author of The Abolition of Sex: How the “Transgender” Agenda Harms Women and Girls. In this interview, Kara's shirt reads "infamous TERF writer," a label given to her by commentator Sam Seder after he reacted to an interaction on Twitter/X between Kara and Christopher Rufo.
The conversation begins with rapid-fire commentary on feminism, surrogacy, pornography, and other issues that affect women. This sets up the rest of the conversation, which deals with the encroachment on women's rights by the trans and gender identity movement. Kara touches on the political aspects of this cultural battle, concluding that neither Democrats nor Republicans are truly making a difference in women's rights issues. She explains the dangers of gender identity ideology to the main goal of radical feminism: protecting women.
Kara serves as the president of the US chapter of Women’s Declaration International and previously served on the board of the Women’s Liberation Front. She started her law and policy career as a public defender and went on to serve as executive director of the Stanford Criminal Justice Center, senior counsel at the ACLU’s Center for Justice, and general counsel at the District of Columbia Sentencing Commission.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
06:18 Concerns about transgender ideology's effect on women's rights
19:54 Acknowledging biological sex in law/policy
24:40 Erosion of women's rights in the name of inclusion
33:25 Trans ideology undermines women's interests
41:24 Trans rights effects in law/policy
48:32 Postmodernity's influence on trans issues
51:04 Real-world instances of trans-inclusive policies
57:34 Kara's perspective on self-defense/protection
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shes an ideologue, not an intellectual. @DaibhidhBhoAlba
Good interview.
This interview was different than I’ve usually seen of you, Peter. That last question was demented.
So added to
-what was she wearing?
-why was she on her own after dusk / in the park / on the cyclepath / by the river?
- had she ‘led him on’?
Women need to answer “what self-defence classes had she done?” And she’ll be blamed for not knowing / doing enough Kung-Fu to fight off a determined attacker twice her size. 😒
Can I ask why none of my comments are being posted? I thought free speech was valued here? My post says nothing others aren't saying and I'm unable to respond to any of the replies on my comment?
As an older woman of small stature and low physical ability, the interviewer is so naive. A small woman carrying pepper spray or mace just escalates the problem when it is used. Kara's strategy of retreat, or just leave, the once female safe space (e.g. toilets) is always the smart, "go to" move. Pepper spray is great if she's successful, sprays and gets away. More likely, she'll just increase the agression level of the assailant, and will be easily overpowered. Even as an 18 to 30 year old, I couldn't have overcome a male of smaller stature (under 160cm) than myself physically. As for blue belt jujitsu or the like, ever heard of female hormones (oestrogen) v. male hormones (testosterone) and their effects on the human body AND BEHAVIOUR. Female hormones since conception and see how enthusiastic he is about physically training, maintaining, and then fighting a person attacking him physically. Female hormones make us much more likely to comply (remember fight, flight, freeze or fawn), submit, negotiate and flee if the opportunity arises. And then the implication that every female (or male) should physically maintain themselves at peak physical level to defend themselves against an agressor in the "toilets" (as an example) or its their "fault" for not maintaining themselves at peak level, how is the interviewers back these days?? Either the interviewer is naive, or being deliberately disingenuous, and "baiting" the interviewee verbally . Either way an unexpected, character trait displayed by an intellectual expert in philosophy. Credit to Kara Dansky.
Extremely well said!!!
@@noraanderson3503thank you
Now that I've reached that part I can totally understand your frustration. This is the first time I've seen him this slow, for lack of a better term.
As a young tall man its not like I can claim to understand, so please tell me if this analogy is any good or if I'm just as clueless as Peter:
If rabbits and foxes share the same forest, no amount of preparation on behalf of the rabbit will alleviate the fear it would rightfully feel should the two ever meet. Adding weapons would just teach the fox to be more unpredictable and ruthless in its approach, cause at the end of the day some foxes want to eat the rabbits.
He isn't naive. He's just a twunt, it's his personality. It's awful.
@@wearelegion2389 Your analogy is spot on.
Peter doesn’t understand how vulnerable a woman in public especially in a bathroom where her clothing is removed. It shows the difference between men and women. Women are always aware.
How do you know what he does or doesn't understand? Are you psychic?
So, there would be no rape if feminism was ubiquitous?
Therefore, the statistics that women account for about thirty-to-forty percent of sexual assault is TOTALLY incorrect.
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda Dude how many times are you going to spam this page with your nonsense
@@devilkitty6725, in the towns and cities of India, one can see many STRAY COWS wandering around, displaying their teats.
Similarly, in the Western cities, one can see women wandering the dangerous streets alone, displaying their bosoms and other bodily parts.
Such loose women are no better than STRAY COWS.
Your last statement is false.
That last question is so irritating. It wouldn't matter how "prepared" for self-defense a woman was, pretty much any man could overpower her. The issue is that we have designated single sex spaces so that we don't have to engage in armed combat in order to use the loo safely. Kara says quite rightly that women are constantly in danger of male violence. Peter insinuates that Kara can do something about that. She is doing a lot! She has written books, she makes legal challenges, she does interviews etc etc. The idea that a blue belt in jujitsu would stop a male rapist is ludicrous. Why should women have to become top level athletes to move about freely in the world. Sounds like victim blaming to me.
It really brought the interview down?
It's not about victim blaming, it's about common sense. We also have laws against robbery, assault, battery, and murder so that we don't have to engage in armed combat... but there are always social deviants who do not adhere to societal contracts.
If we take the gender out of it, it still works the same way... I'm a man, but I could still be violently victimized by another man or men, even in a place that is designated a 'safe space'. Therefore, I choose to be physically fit, learn martial arts, and carry the means (i.e. a weapon or self-defense tool) to help level the playing field if such a threat were presented. Granted, this does not guarantee my personal safety, but it's better than being meek, empty-handed, and at the absolute mercy of a potential attacker.
Why should I as a man have to learn self-defense to move about freely in the world? I could argue that I _shouldn't..._ but that's the world we live in.
@@jasper_of_puppets I am a 56 year old woman. It wouldn't matter how hard I trained in a martial art or whatever, a normal 13 year old boy could overpower me. Single sex spaces have acted as a deterrant for years and years. As soon as there's a special class of man who is allowed to enter those spaces the doors are open for predators. The stats bear this out. Unisex facilities are much more dangerous for women and girls.
@@jasper_of_puppetswomen can easily be overpowered before trying to defend themselves, and can have a weapon turned on them. Your situation as a man is not the same.
@@DJaneSyria Men don't get it.
The problem with a “guy in a dress” is that it’s often to do with his sexual kinks and involving un-consenting people.
99.9% of the time. There might be a .01 guy out there who doesn't.
@@squoctopus Then you're contradicting your 'gender critical' ideology then. On one hand they say it's fine for men to wear dresses and makeup, but then you say most of them are evil perverts.
Peter grilling Kara at the end about self defense perfectly illustrates her earlier point about men as a class oppressing women as a class. A generous view might be to argue that men continue to fail spectacularly to protect women and children from male violence, but the radical feminist analysis is that it is not failure, it is intentional. Constructing a society wherein women live under the constant threat of violence and rape, where 1 in 4 girls are sexually assaulted before the age of majority, 99% of all rapes go unpunished, and 2-3 women are killed each week by men close to them, burdens us with sequelae and persistent fear of further trauma, greatly reducing our natural intellectual and other capacities, all of which renders us easier to control, especially when it comes to reproduction. The fact that there are no males, whether public intellectuals, or casual commentators, who can even bring themselves to honestly acknowledge feminist analysis of this status quo, let alone counter it, is evidence that feminists be right.
But I thought women were strong and resilient and didn’t need a man? Which is it, do you need men for certain things or do you not? I personally don’t really care that much anymore but we need to make up our minds on this issue. It seems the feminist community itself is completely divided in this area. Going by current day discussions, I have no idea if I should open doors for women and try to shield them
From harm or just let them fend for themselves..
A man asking questions is not an oppressor. Men live much harder lives than women, if only we had the luxury of being triggered by being asked questions 🙄
Women commit domestic violence at nearly the same rates as men and are far more relationally aggressive. So there's that.
1 in 4 women are not raped. That’s utterly ridiculous.
@LynnSchirmer - You seem to be as ideologically taken as Kara. Firstly, let me say to you, welcome to the real world. It's an incredibly dangerous place - both for women, and men. Secondly, if you live in the civilised western world, UK, US, Europe, Canada, etc, you live in the safest parts of the world and they are the safest that they have ever been in all of history. Try imagining living in Somalia or Yemen. In the West, men DO NOT OPPRESS WOMEN... AT ALL. You say, "A generous view might be to argue that men continue to fail spectacularly to protect women and children from male violence, but the radical feminist analysis is that it is not failure, it is intentional." That is a truly despicable thing to claim, and is totally false. Your claim, "Constructing a society wherein women live under the constant threat of violence and rape, where 1 in 4 girls are sexually assaulted before the age of majority, 99% of all rapes go unpunished", is also truly despicable, and totally false.
I have enormous respect for Women like Helen Joyce, Abigail Shrier, Debra Soh, Kathleen Stock, Kellie Jay Keen, and Kara Dansky.
Real women who are speaking the truth with patience, compassion, yet exactitude.
They are all hypocrites for trying to ban people's bodily autonomy. Why can't an adult transition but it's okay to mutilate and kill a baby in the uterus up to 7 months?
Peter Peter Peter wtf was the last question!? Woman do all kinds of things to stay safe that men don’t even consider.
Why do you think women travel in packs, go to the bathrooms together, stay on well lit roads, take taxis, don’t go to men’s apartments, tell friend where they are going
G and when they will be home, don’t leave their drinks unattended, take self defence courses, carry Pepper spray.
I mean what do you want us to do?! To be a woman comes with many vulnerabilities even though we are strong and empowered
the man has always been a sexist, im not sure where the admiration for him comes from within any legitimate political circle
@witchyxx He's just a lefty, give him his pass.
Annie Annie Annie... wtf makes you think men aren't faced with the same issues? Silly.
@@witchyxx That's rich coming from the sex that these days demonizes men to no end *AND* helped enable all this insanity.
How about vote for the other party? No, well then, guess you are stuck with men in women's spaces.
I also take exception for this women lamenting the fact Republicans aren't helping. Wtf, is that about? Republicans are the *ONLY* party trying to help and they are viciously demonized for doing so.
Strong and empowered is a crock of shit and it stinketh and now you live with that paradigm. You can do anything a man can do so do it.
Peter. You missed the point. We're not afraid in all our spaces, we're alarmed that we're now creating loopholes for predators, who always have and always will use them. Arming ourselves doesn't close the loopholes.
So, there would be no rape if feminism was ubiquitous?
Therefore, the statistic that women account for about thirty-to-forty percent of sexual assault is TOTALLY incorrect.
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda It’s also weird that so many seem to think guys don’t get raped….sometimes by radical feminists.
@@jcraw6332, l have experienced rape attempts by no less than THREE oversexed women.
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda This is completely false. Women account for less than 3% of sexual assaults.
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda this is no place for you to write down your porn fantasies
I agree with Kara. Working to have people accept their bodies (which doesn't include transgenderism) is way more compassionate than celebrating body modification.
Yes, and accepting that you can express your gender as differently as you want, you can be a man and like pink shirts with flowers, or a short haired nerdy women with PHD in mathematics, no need to be "trans"
Somatic practitioners will be in huge demand for this cohort.
But she also seems to believe in utopia of sorts - she thinks she can create a society where men don’t abuse women. I just don’t understand the society that radical feminists expect…? They seem to deny human nature whenever they wish
Should we be treating all people who want to modify their bodies this way? Including people who feel great distress about their appearance? and if not, why not?
Peter really lost me toward the end. He really drives home how profoundly he doesn't understand what it is to move through the world as a woman. We are always vulnerable. We take self-defense classes, we can even carry knives (both of which I've done). Some women even carry concealed guns. But you know what? The greatest likelihood is that any weapon a woman carries will be taken from her and used against her. Men are faster, more violent, and stronger. Note particularly the faster part. There is nothing that significantly reduces the chance of male violence touching our lives other than staying home in a fortress, armed to the teeth. It is NOT rational what Peter is suggesting. It's just clueless. Yeah, Peter, it's rough having to move through the world as a woman knowing there is absolutely NOTHING we can do to actually be safe against men. Model Mugging was created by martial arts teachers who had a female black belt friend raped. It is an improvement on self defense created for men to fight men, but it still leaves no woman 'safe.' The question is, do you want to walk around armed and on edge, always ready to have to use that knife/gun to kill or at least draw blood (something that isn't in the nature of most women, no matter how 'tenacious' they may be), or you trust in your society to create a reasonable level of safety for women.
"...or you trust in your society to create a reasonable level of safety for women." .....Uhhhhh, isn't that why we're in this mess to begin with?
I'm a reasonably strong, capable man. But I could still be violently victimized by a faster, more violent, and stronger man... Is that a reason for me not to carry pepper spray???? I really don't get this mentality.
@@jasper_of_puppets We just have to social construct people to be moral by creating a government that forces people to be good! Then I can walk around in my booty shorts at 2am and not worry about the male gaze, male violence, or have to be personally responsible for making good decisions!
@@Cijil What a wonderful world it will finally be then! 🤩
That safety only comes from men who choose to enforce laws and protect women. Maybe... Just maybe women need men, and men need women just in different ways.... as if they somehow compliment each other in ways that help to create a better society. I know shocker...
Even if she takes classes, she will not really beat up men! Peter! You really need to wake up!
I think Peter is a BJJ player, and it is true that a very, VERY well trained woman can find ways out if men's grasp, ways to break tendons etc. But... its extremely rare and.. if anything other than the very best trained woman, ideally larger in height and muscle comes up against a moderately tough guy, it's lights out. There are no rules in situations like that. And I think that's the one thing that's forgotten.
@@realMaverickBuckley very true. People think just taking 3 months class of some kind of fighting is good enough to fight a predator. PETER included!
@@realMaverickBuckley I would like to add I strongly encourage women to take self defense classes. My first ever self defense guide started class by telling us, Learn how to escape the danger at all costs. What you learn here will stop the danger temporarily so you can escape/call for help. Don't think you can lift him and throw him like in movies.
@@realMaverickBuckley Why are men who take BJJ so universally insufferable? Is it the shitty personality that attracts men to BJJ, or does something about the sport turn men into cunts?
It's about optimizing your own ability to defend yourself. Getting a blue belt in BJJ as a woman leaves you in a much better position than if you had no training. No you won't magically be able to overpower every man, but you'd be surprised how effective BJJ is against someone who is untrained, which is most people (and most men).
You'll be waaaay better off at defending yourself and also staying calm in an intense situation, which could be life saving.
I find it absolutely shocking that even 1/4 of the way into the 21 century I'd still be listening to women trying to explain to a well-educated man like Peter Boghossian that women aren't just small men. Makes me want to scream WHAT IS WRONG WITH MEN!
I sometimes have to wonder if there is willfulness in their "I just don't get it".
@@LynnSchirmer Oh, yes. Definitely.
They just don't care. Misogyny at its finest.
It's like they enjoy the frustration of women trying to explain our predicament over and over again to tools like Peter. @@LynnSchirmer
@@CactusFlower-dk6ddOh yeah...we enjoy you bitching incessantly about "the patriarchy" soooo much...super-fun! :DDDD
I wonder if PB would ask a trans-identifying man who claims he needs to use the women's bathroom (because he is afraid of male violence) why he does't arm himself or do martial arts training.
this comment should have way more upvotes - totally agree!
Do you mean a female identifying trans person?
Julie Bindel nailed that commentary regarding this at: ua-cam.com/video/yJkmeRcTMbk/v-deo.html
A man? Sometimes men arm themselves in consideration that they may find themselves in conflict with another man
He does. He's an advocate of self defence, period.
I love how Kara disagreed with some aspects of what KJK stood for, but still praised her for what she was doing for women. I love how women support women, even if we disagree on some issues. Thankyou to all women, fighting for our existence and our right to be women.❤
Yes exactly. Let’s give Peter some room to learn here too. He’s definitely on our side in this- men just truly don’t understand. We are in a great time of learning - let’s help everyone trying to shed light.
I don’t think KJK feels the same way about it. You live in dreamland if you think women with political differences, especially small ones, support each other as a general rule . Women are unbelievably vicious to one another in non violent ways.
Peter your questioning at the end put my opinion of you down a notch. It should not be the responsibility of a woman to defend herself from male violence. The whole point is the biological difference between men and women and you seem to completely ignore that fact whilst putting Kara on the spot
I'm not saying either. I'm saying that men should stay out of women's spaces. Sports, prisons, changing areas etc.....sex segregation in these areas has a purpose and that is to protect women from male attention or violence
@@pcap8810 The problem is male violence. Full stop. Women training in self defense, or getting weapons, is just trying to ameloriate the consequences of the actual problem: Male violence.
It is the responsibility of all individuals to take steps to ensure, or at the very least, improve their personal safety. Should or shouldn't... it doesn't matter. It IS what it IS.
A really big notch
He's a complete idiot. And a misogynist. He has no idea.
Male common sense = confrontation, female common sense = avoidance. Why? Cause men hit harder.
And women break faster.......we are not strong!
More accurate: Masculine common sense = confrontation, feminine common sense = avoidance.
@@WaaDokuno, it’s 100% tied to biology.
@@insidiousmischka I don't deny that. I'm just saying that people with more masculine traits (tied to biology like hormones, genetics, brain structure, etc.) exhibit a more confrontational personality and people with more feminine traits (tied to biology) exhibit a more conflict avoidant personality.
Men die more because they confront men... terrible advice
I've always been a strong and scrappy female. I'm not afraid of men in general, but I've been shocked into accepting my limitations the few times I was overpowered by men, or boys. During rough and tumble play, or in a childhood, school yard fight. Male's of equal weight class are almost always stronger. That's all.
Peter seems blind to this fact. As far as weapons go, they can easily be turned against you by an attacker, especially in a confined space. You would have to be hyper-aware at all times to have your knife/pepper spray/gun at the ready. You can't really live your life like that.
@@noroomforsquares4483 Peter is well aware of that fact - he is simply asking questions. Having a discussion. Some of you are too eager to be triggered
@@brianmeen2158 he's very convincing though...
@@noroomforsquares4483 Hyperbole does not help. You don't have to be hyper-aware at _all_ times... it's primarily when you are going to be in a situation where you suspect there may be an elevated risk.
For example: I went to dinner in downtown Los Angeles a few weeks ago to meet up with my visiting relative. I was on high alert while walking from my car to the restaurant. Sure enough, a homeless man on the sidewalk took a swing at me. But because I was already on high-alert and was suspicious of his behavior before he got close, I was ready for it and was able to quickly get my arm up to protect myself.
And once I sat down at the dinner table inside the restaurant, my danger meter and spidey senses chilled out. So, I'd much rather live my life like this than to get sucker-punched in the face.
@@jasper_of_puppets you are correct. All depends on the environment and perceived level of risk
So he understands that male athletes have an unfair advantage over female athletes but he doesn’t understand how no amount of self-defense training can put us on equal footing with male aggressors?
This was the most moronic thing I have ever heard him say and he presented it as "common sense". WTH? I am so mad right now. There are women who think they can train themselves into fighting a man. Very few women can outfight men and they are highly trained and have to be fighting an out of shape man. What an ignoramus he truly is.
Not with that attitude.
I think it comes down to the fact that most men haven't trained themselves in violence and training helps even weaker men overcome stronger or more numerous untrained males (which is why men train). A consequence of that is the idea that a trained, physically weaker, woman can be a sufficient threat to a predatorial male that they could at least limit the damage to themselves before help arrives (if needed). That being said, there are some strength, size and potentially aggression differences that cannot be overcome with training and even trained males are best off walking away from (if possible) and so it's clearly not an absolute solution for anyone.
@@jasper_of_puppets This interview brought out all the scumbags, Peter included.
Somehow Peter's turned not being a victim of predatory males into the woman who's assaulted's fault. It's the old "why didn't she scream? Why didn't she fight back?" troupe. We all know what will happen to a woman who draws on (which is legally assault), pepper sprays or, god forbid, shoots a trans woman 'acting suspiciously' in a bathroom or just about anywhere - they'll get charged with a crime and likely convicted.
Peter, it's getting really tedious listening to you say that it's ok for people to have healthy body parts amputated if they are over 18. It really isn't. Doctors are there to heal not to harm. Self mutilation should not be condoned in a civilised society. People should be given mental health support for having such extreme desires and be helped to focus their energies elsewhere. Similar to an anorexic. You think they should be left to starve themselves to death? I would prefer to live in a society where people are looked after and encouraged to be productive members of the community.
I think it's just eugenic and therefore net value to species.
I like most of Peter's content, but his whole "I'm trying so hard to understand and this has always baffled me, so before I ask the question I'm going to rub my eyes for 10 seconds to appear confused" shtick is also getting a bit tedious.
👏Agree
I agree. Someone could really, really, want to amputate some body part. No ethical doctor should ever allow himself to perform such an operation.
@@jamespurchase4035 I also think that being that the Wpath files are out and they directly reference the backlash to surgeons removing healthy body parts in other past medical scandals that he should be in a much better informed position
Peter, getting a blue belt in jujitsu requires time, money, and athleticism that a lot of women do not have. Women are the primary caretakers of children, and guns and pepper spray are dangerous to have around them. Pepper spray has to be replaced regularly, and using it can result in an assault charge. Having a gun means having to get a gun license and get training, and purchasing the weapon and ammo, which requires time and money some women don’t have. And if a woman shoots somebody, and it’s later determined that they weren’t actually a threat? That woman goes to prison, and now her children don’t have a mother, because she did the obvious thing and chose to do everything she could to try and protect herself.
@pcap8810 exactly..."I'm in constant fear for my safety from men yet ill jog around the neighborhood in skin tight sweat pants at 10 at night."
@@pcap8810 I never receive any casual or deliberate disrespect from men or women when I'm out and about. Maybe you smell or something, brah.
Extremely well said!!!
So imo if women truly are under that much constant threat of violence from men then they can’t take 2 hours a week for self defense classes? Hmm that doesn’t seem to rhyme to me as I guarantee you they waste that easily on social media(like we all do!)..
Just say you prefer to keep your victimhood mentality.
I carry pepper spray even though I shouldn’t have to. One major problem with Peter’s line of questioning regarding pepper spray is that if a woman sprays a trans woman out of self defence, the woman could be charged with assault. Because under gender self ID laws, the incident would be recorded as an altercation between two women, even if one “woman” was really a man.
It could be considered as a hate crime in certain legal systems as well.
I know a young women who has a karate black belt. She tried to bring down a man who went for her phone and he floored her easily. Self defence is great, but of little use against a determined male assailant. Women and decent men know this.
The question Peter asks at the end of this interview sounds more like "why don't you think and behave more like a man?".
My thoughts exactly! I find it incredibly frustrating to listen to a man who simply can't grasp that women are not men. They don't go around measuring themselves physically against other men. Women think 'how do I escape because if it comes to any confrontation I will lose, and frankly I don't want to HAVE TO maim or shoot someone just to remain unmolested.' It's so infuriating! I left this discussion thinking holy shit, if I have to hear one more woman try to explain to a man that women don't think like men I'm gonna scream. Men really do think they are the standard by which everything is measured.
It really does hit home how much women, far more than men, rely on civilization. Men seem to think dispensing with it when a snag arises is not just normal, but they jettison it and don't even miss a beat. Peter was actually befuddled as to why women wouldn't behave violently when faced with a threat. Could it be because we aren't fundamentally violent? And in physical contests with men, odds are heavily in the man's favor.
@@pcap8810 You don't seem to even know what the word civilized means. The last thing in the world I feel like doing today is arguing with someone who doesn't know what words mean. But, I'll give you both meanings taken from the dictionary: at an advanced stage of social and cultural development. 2. polite and well-mannered. Opposite: uncivilized, barbaric
@@cynthiajohnson9412 so a woman getting attacked won’t naturally resort to slapping or kicking her offender?
@@pcap8810yeah I’m getting a much different vibe from women in this comment section .. most women these days are saying they are strong and can defend themselves perfectly fine - these women seem to be going against that. I find so much of the modern discussion around gender issues to be schizophrenic
In Peters last question, regarding women protecting themselves (a valid question) his assumption that women are not doing so already (often by self excluding in places they know are high risk) it was Peters insistence that a woman protecting herself should look the same as how a man would do so, while ignoring that women fighting to establish sex segregated spaces like toilets, change rooms, hospital wards, etc IS how women have protected themselves. By establishing sex segregated spaces women reduced the opportunities which predatory men had used to victimize women. He does not seem to recognize that the ways in which men protect themselves (using physical strength, weapons etc) are not as effective for women or children due to differences in physical strength and weapons can much more easily be taken from and used against women. His question also does not recognize that the types of crimes women (and children of both sexes) are subjected to, (everything from voyeurism, being filmed without knowledge or consent, men purposely leaving semen on toilet seats, and sinks, masturbating in front of them and physical sexual violence) are not the same threats men face.
Women know that the majority of men are respectful of womens boundaries so will respect sex segregated spaces. Maintaining sex segregated spaces which women fought for, has protected women as the majority of decent and good men stay out which made the predatory ones with criminal intentions stand out, making it possible to deal with those who disrespect those boundaries far more effectively. Eliminating the boundaries by allowing men who self identify themselves as women, to enter these spaces and expecting women and children to arm themselves as a response is a ridiculous and extremely regressive notion. Womens and childrens best way to protect themselves from the men who are predatory towards them is not to take up arms, but to maintain their sex based rights to private sex segregated spaces.
Woooo🎉 perfectly said!!!
What a great comment! 👏👏
None of that makes sense regarding public restrooms.
Very well said.
This.
Peter, you could be in a burning building at any time, do you carry a rope ladder? Risk exists but I don’t want to live a life constantly ready for battle. Women take precautions against male violence all the time that don’t include learning to be violent ourselves. I totally respect women who can fight, but I haven’t had that training and I’m not particularly driven to because I don’t want to fight. But do I keep constant awareness around myself? Do I open bathroom doors slowly in case someone is hiding in there? Do I lock my car right when I get in at night? Yes. Every single woman takes precautions against male violence, regardless of whether she chooses to learn how to defend herself with violence.
If we are acknowledging that risk exists for everyone all the time, then there seems to be two options. Either we view the current level of risk as tolerable and we don't have to do anything more about it, or we view it as too high and we need to take further action to mitigate it. Specifically, the action that we take has to actually affect the level of risk.
I don't think that people really worry about being in a burning building at any time, because most of the world is not inside buildings. Of the buildings available for me to enter, all of them have fire detection and prevention mechanisms, so even if a fire broke out I think it would be unlikely to harm me. Finally, a rope ladder would only be helpful in scenarios where you needed to escape the building, were higher than the ground floor, and were low enough that the rope ladder could get close to the ground. So, unless you are suggesting that male violence is rare and highly circumstantial, I'm not sure that this is the analogy to use.
Finally, I would offer that the reason to learn how to fight is not to inflict violence on other people, but to learn how to not act like a prey animal so that all violence can be avoided. Wolf packs hunt animals like elk. If the elk is scared and runs away, the wolves will chase it down and kill it. If the elk bravely stands it's ground, the wolves are worried that it's too tough for them and leave it alone. In the same vein, I would not suggest opening bathroom doors slowly, as it makes one look scared. Acting as if you are confident of your ability to control your space is the best way to avoid violence. An in-depth understanding of how violence is administered is the most straightforward way to be able to act confident.
Women take steps to avoid male violence without weapons. For example, not walking alone at night etc. the non sequitur of “ you don’t have a weapon so the problem is insignificant” is one of the most profoundly non sensical fallacies I’ve ever heard.
Agreed. I really don't understand why Peter kept going on about that for a few minutes...😑
Exactly. This movement against trans ideology is the biggest step we can take to protect ourselves - keep men out female spaces!
If you believe violence against women is common and you are vulnerable, why not take obvious steps to protect yourself like becoming a blue belt in jiu jitsu? I don’t see how this isn’t perfectly logical. Like Peter says, if he thought his likelihood of getting shot was high, he would wear a bullet proof vest. He doesn’t believe this so he doesn’t. This radical feminist he is interviewing deeply believes there is a high likelihood of getting assaulted by a male. She hasn’t taken obvious steps to protect herself. This indicates she doesn’t believe there is a significant threat against her.
As do men. Men are also for more likely than women to be the victims of violence, and yet they are concerned about it far, far less than women in the west.
Peter doesn't get it because he's a man, doh😮.
His 'I'm so naive' interview style irks me so much I've stopped listening to him. Tuned in to hear Kara and love her common sense, hold the line stance.
More Kara,❤ less Peter!🤯
I'm literally stunned by Peter asking Kara why she 'hasn't taken steps' to defend herself. Its bizarre. How can he not understand why its women are not walking around FULLY ARMED at all times. Kara was very gracious at dealing with that completely shitty line of questioning. Unbelievable.
It's one hundred percent a valid question. He was challenging Kara. And she stammered. Why do you oppose women defending themselves? Yes, Predators exist. Why wouldn't women carry a spear, a tomahawk, or a knife to defend themself. Are you proposing women should never prepare for the unexpected? DO you not carry insurance either? I've never understood the feminist's desire to be perceived more like men, meanwhile, rejecting the performance of violence, even in self defense,🐿
What about little girls too? They CAN'T be armed. I sure wouldn't go anywhere without my weapon but little girls just can't.
Right? Little girls can't carry. I wouldn't go anywhere without my weapon but children can't!
1:00:39 victim blaming Peter! In Canada we cannot carry pepper spray a knife a gun or anything to protect ourselves. I could take self défense classes and my 16 year son would still be able to over power me. Stop Peter. You are wrong here.
British 'normie' here - feeling lots of admiration the 'Infamous TERF Writer'. Here in Britain there was a recent case of a women raped by a trans woman (ie. a man) in a women's only ward in an NHS hospital. When the police turned up to investigate, the hospital staff (who had been trained in gender ideology) insisted for some time that the rape could not have happened because there were no men present in that ward.
Each staffer should have been charged as accessory after the fact.
Then where did the sperm come from? Yes, all accessories. Insane.
It took a whole year, and the intervention of the victim's MP, to get the case reopened. Even tho the r@pe was caught on security cameras.
That’s completely ludicrous.
Well it’s crazy to let biological men in womens wards but the biggest problem is - the institutions don’t share our belief. Seems academia is pushing the exact opposite viewpoint and now government
Is as well. How do we reverse this if the top levels of power are already hijacked ideologically? Sure these podcasts help as do books but they only so effective.
Saying that women have to take steps to protect themselves from men in womens spaces or indeed any spaces put the responsibility or blame on women for what happens to them. Why should women have to learn martial arts to defend themselves.
It's not about picking a target to put the responsibility or blame on. It's that everyone has a general need to minimize negative outcomes in their own lives. If a predator commits a crime, then they bear the responsibility of that and should go to prison. If a woman behaves in a way that does not minimize a particular negative outcome, then she bears the responsibility for that. That responsibility is not going to prison, but it might be accepting the negative outcome was made more likely by her actions. If a particular woman is accepting that she might face that negative consequence, but she accepts the increased risk and will continue to behave in that way regardless, then that's no problem. If a particular woman wishes to behave in a way that increases her risk, but then says that the increased risk is unacceptable and all of reality should change for her so that she can act as she wishes with no risk, then that is an unreasonable and insane demand that just gives embarrassing credence to the stereotype of women as illogical emotional children that need to be kept in their safe places.
If women want to defend themselves, then martial arts (particularly Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) is a tried and tested way of doing so. Other ways could be purchasing a weapon and learning how to use it, but that might be illegal in some places. If women don't want to defend themselves, they don't have to. They could roll the dice and hope that they never encounter a physically dangerous situation, or instead take the historically successful route of getting a physically powerful husband and remaining in the protective kitchen bunker where they can dictate who has access to them. The reason to learn martial arts is that all of these are a trade off on the Freedom vs. Safety axis, and knowing martial arts allows you to be more on the freedom side with minimal safety loss. Some women find that to be a good return on investment. Some women find other trade-offs more agreeable. Some women don't understand the concept of giving something up in order to get something better in return.
Thanks for your challenge back. Whether a person learns a martial art or not wouldn't change the probability of the risk occurring, it would only mitigate the consequence of the risk if it occurred. If I've had to defend myself when using a bathroom the harm has already occurred. It is therefore false to say the negative outcome is made more or less likely by her actions. Most women are not accepting of the increased risk of men in women only spaces and it's actually women being asked to just suck it up and take mitigating actions and compromise aspects of their reality.
@@gparker4945 People who know martial arts are statistically less likely to encounter random violence in their lives. Most likely this is the result of several factors, including having greater confidence in one's own abilities, recognizing patterns of how humans move when they are thinking about being violent and being able to escape easier, and having a bunch of new friends that also care about physical defense to hang out with. Women are in control of many aspects of how much risk they need to face.
At the same time, I agree that males don't need to be in female spaces. Particularly, I am opposed to male expressions of sexuality in a female public space. However I think that the argument that it is physically dangerous for women is a red herring. There is a biological drive in all animals to protect and nurture females. I believe that feminists have, for a long time if not from the beginning, hijacked this natural drive to extract resources and benefits unfairly from society. I think that the trans movement has figured this out and is now using the same drive to extract resources and benefits for males (trans people are unsafe because they can't be in female spaces). I think that there is even a feeling like revenge that is motivating some of this behavior. By bringing up the "women are unsafe because of X" argument, it is just fueling the same irrational drive that let males into these spaces in the first place. Instead, I think the best way to solve the problem is to narrowly focus on precisely what the issue is and to drag the conversation back to rationality, instead of using the emotional arguments that trans activists and feminists have in common. i.e. No one is allowed to display male genitalia in a space for women. No one is allowed to masturbate in public. etc. I don't think the problem is really "trans women" as sincerely trans people will do everything in their power to avoid conflict or anyone else finding out what their biological sex is. The problem is sexual predators finding a societal hall pass where their criminal behavior won't be punished.
1:00:15 even if some women could take self defense courses or use pepper spray. What about children who can’t “read the room” for questionable behavior, can’t defend themselves with elementary martial arts, and who would give them pepper spray? What about mentally disabled girls and women? What about those with physical disabilities? Going to the bathroom shouldn’t require the defenses of peeing in a dark back alley.
Peter wasn't suggesting that pepper spray is a substitute for policies to protect women's spaces... The reality is, we live in a world of many possible dangers, so your dismissiveness of the importance of self-defense and overall self-preservation instincts is at your own peril. Walking down the street _shouldn't_ result in you getting hit by a car, but there are cars out there in the world, and some of them plow through stoplights. Moral of the story: Look both ways.
I think the point made in the previous comment is worth repeating. What about disabled women and girls who can't take up martial arts? What about women and girls with learning disabilities or medical conditions? What about little girls or elderly women who just literally can't become pro wrestlers? They deserve single sex spaces for their dignity, privacy and safety.
Perhaps Kara was caught off guard with Peter's question and his tone. But I would argue that unless you had an interest or talent in martial arts/self defense/shooting from a young age, or (usually) a father figure who would teach you and encourage you to explore that, there is little reason to pursue that.
I might be speaking for myself here, but I don't think most women enjoy the idea of physically overpowering anyone, or thinking of physically harming others as a satisfying thing to do. It is something most western cultures and values don't promote. You are taught as a little girl not to hit others, to solve problems with words and dialogue, and to get away from danger.
I would also not reduce not having pepper spray as just lazy. Those situations especially with violent men are dangerous. Perhaps it can buy you a little time, but some people, particularly women just freeze. My first instinct is just like Kara's; to self exclude and avoid danger all together.
A lot of women work, have kids, have a family to take care of. Not all women have the time, money, interest or physical ability to train in self defense.
I just think this puts all the blame on the victim instead of the perpetrator.
While self defense is a commendable solution for some, laws and policies apply to everyone.
Totally ridiculous to suggest that all women have to become ninjas - when I was groped I was so shocked ...the guy I vaguely knew & my defences were down as I thought he was stopping to ask me a Q. I'd just got off a bus with my bag & art folder & I totally froze with shock - his other friend laughed & to be ridiculed & shamed in public was shattering. Do these men not have daughters???!!!!
@@jayWalk8 Yeah, carrying pepper spray is literally being a ninja.
@@jasper_of_puppets In the UK pepper spray is illegal. I did aikido and judo and ended up with a spinal injury that affects my movement now. The reason was a rogue opponent who didn’t follow the rules of the dojo - does Peter think a rapist is going to bow and play fair?
I’ve taken self defence courses, and they all emphasise avoidance and getting away. This is what KD was saying and he wasn’t listening to. They advise not trying weapons and fighting because, guess what? Men are stronger, weapons can actually be used against you and it’s likely to escalate the violence.
PB’s ignorance on this is unbelievable.
I am completely disgusted at Peter Boghossians ignorant masculinist performance toward the end of this video.
It was infuriating listening to Borghossian badgering Kara about needing to “protect” herself from potential male violence. The 6+ minutes of it was an explicit acting out of Boghossians male blindspot to the lives and experiences of women in society.
Firstly, women are powerfully socialised from the moment we are born not to be aggressive. We are socialised to understand and fear the reality that males will predate on us, whether it be in public or our own homes. There is no evidence that women training themselves to repel such attacks has ever succeeded. We know that we are almost always physically weaker than men, boys barely out of puberty will be stronger than ordinary adult women. Any sort of resistance to a male threatening us - be it only verbally - has the potential to escalate into higher levels of aggression on the womans person.
As women, we understand our best protection comes from the govt/state. Pressuring the political class to make rules and laws is the best way women can be protected from violence right now and into the future.
_"There is no evidence that women training themselves to repel such attacks has ever succeeded."_ ....What a bunch of absolute nonsense.
_"As women, we understand our best protection comes from the govt/state."_ .....Well, what happens when the gov't/state decides to start allowing trans men into all women's spaces? Also, you do not speak for all women. There are plenty of women out there who do not subscribe to victimhood mentality and will take reasonable steps to increase their own personal safety.
_"Pressuring the political class to make rules and laws is the best way women can be protected from violence right now and into the future."_ ...We already have rules and laws regarding violence against women. We also have rules and laws against murder... but people still get murdered. There will always be social deviants who operate outside of norms and societal contracts. These people don't give a sh*t about rules and laws.
@@jasper_of_puppets I do have not have a victim mentality but I have been abducted and gang raped and I can assure you there was no level of martial arts training or fitness or weapon that I could have used to overcome my attackers. They were three men in their 30s-40s, all bigger and stronger than me. One threatened to cut my throat. I was brave enough to take them to court and they went to jail. You may have been watching too many Hollywood movies to have gotten the impression that defense training is a realistic option for anything but a tiny portion of young women. It is also illegal in the country I live in to go about in public carrying weapons.
I don't claim to speak for all women, never have and never will, so heres a flame to that absurd strawman.
Yes, there will always br rape, nmurder and violence but laws and the carceral powers of the political state will always serve the safety of women better than fantasies of fighting off aggressors.
You really need to grow up and get an education, sock puppet
_"There is no evidence that women training themselves to repel such attacks has ever succeeded."_ this is just patently false. There are many, many instances of women whose training and use of self-defense tools/tactics successfully thwarted an attacker.
_"As women, we understand our best protection comes from the govt/state. "_ so what happens when the gov't/state fails to fulfill that duty, much like it is now? Then what......?
The issue is not only safety but also privacy and dignity. Whereas men would not be menaced by a presence of a woman, they still are subject to assault on their privacy and dignity. And that should inform the law. Both ways.
Men are menaced by the type of guys women don't want in their bathrooms and jails but are ok in ours.
Completely agree. Even without the violence component, I do not want to perform private functions in a room where men are present. It makes me very uncomfortable and is, as you pointed out, an assault on my dignity. That is enough of a reason to keep female bathrooms exclusively female.
Agree!
Absolutely. When I go into the public room designated for pissing and shitting, I want to have quite a bit of confidence that at least it’s going to be just us men in there.
Agree, was surprised no one made that point
Peter, you completely missed the point at the end of your interview with Kara - disappointing...
I did JiuJitsu as a young women - being super fit, training 20+ hours a week, weighing 120 pounds, I stood a chance to fight off men 50 pounds heavier than me. I trained nearly exclusively with men, I know I was faster, but I had to be meaner, dedicated to cause permanent damage, to stand a chance - and due to physical differences, I would nit have stood a chance against a man my size with my level of training. I relied on being mean, fast, and to have the surprise moment of a female fighting back ferociously on my side to stand my ground if I had to. That was the reality. And by the accounts of all men I trained with, I was talented and pretty good.
When I decided for a career in (biological) science I had to choose whether to train or work towards my PhD. Well; i guess I could have sacrificied all private life for training, but... I'm a full professor since over 10 years and simply don't have the extra 20 hours a week to train - and with getting close to my 50ties, 20 hours might not be enough against a men in his early twenties. Plus a recent accident with a broken upper arm - I'm back to 90+ % movement, but I'll need months to regain full strength, flexibility, and speed.
It's the new version of the double bind: Work, have a career to be financially independent, and then spend time and money on being able to defend yourself against male violence. Now, what should a women raising kids on her own, working two jobs, do? Where should she find the time and energy to become fitter, technically better, to just stand her ground to a man her size, profitting off T driven male muscle and strength development?
A friend of mine, in her middle 50ties, recently escaped attempted rape - not by self defense training, but ferocious flapping of hands and loud shouting, which - luckily - got some men onto the street in the early hours of the morning, which caused her attacker to flee. If they would not have been there - would you blame her on spending time on teaching her PhD students instead of going to the gym and JiuJitsu classes? Seriously? I'm all in for women and girls doing serious self defense training - because it is the sensible thing to do. But it is not fair to expect women to put in just another shift to fight off male violence without adressing the core issue: Men being violent towards women or really anyone who they expect not to fight back.
Okay, I've addressed the core issue: Some men are violent towards women. Now what?
@@jasper_of_puppetsyou haven’t addressed it at all. You’ve merely thrown your hands in the air and walked away saying women need to deal with men behaving badly. Same as it ever was.
@@DJaneSyria Correct. Women do need to deal with men behaving badly... just as men need to deal with men behaving badly. Are women exempt from this or something? I didn't get the memo
@@jasper_of_puppetssociety can change its attitudes very quickly. Just look at the trans movement which has suddenly taken over everything. Many feminists believe that mens bad behaviour could be addressed if men were interested in doing so, but so many (and shamefully, also many women go long with it) won’t even try, and instead opt for “that’s just the way things are” cop out. Is trans truly just the way things are then? Are men really at the mercy of their basest instincts and there’s nothing to be done? Feminists get accused of man-hating ad nauseum but many of us think you are very capable of behaving in a civilised way. Certainly most of you.
@@jasper_of_puppets if you want to deal with violent men that`s up to you, but don`t speak for the other 50 percent.
Asking how many times a girl was raped in a bathroom was just weird. Even once is too much
Sexual voyeurism and indecent exposure as well as being recorded naked or in a sexually vulnerable situation without consent are all crimes which are predominantley committed by men. Women and children are most often the victims of these crimes. This propensity for these types of crimes does not diminish despite how a man identifies.
I wish i could find the video i watched a while ago about AGP. These guys are filming themselves, sitting in women's stalls bashing the bish, in full woman skin, eyes rolled back in ecstasy. Even if I'm unaware of a guy doing that, there's no point at which that's not predatory on some level. We already have plenty of data on escalation.
@@Gingerblaze agreed. I’m not at all proud of the crimes men commit. Nobody is pure here, of course, but in this context, men are the problem.
I see where Boghossian is going with the question; you want to be careful about making big rules based on outliers. That said, there are many reasons to preserve single-sex spaces, and the possibility of assault is just one of them. Nobody needs to hang the argument on that alone.
He’s trying to get an idea of the magnitude of the issue. It seems you’re trying to mischaracterise or deflect
Peter address your question at the end about taking steps to protect yourself. Most women do this all the time - almost without thinking. Getting in our own car we glance quickly at the back seat to check it is empty...the first thing we do when we get in the car is lock it...we try not to be walking alone at night...we get taxis...we share our location via our phone with friends/parents etc....we are constantly aware of who is around us if we are alone.....we try not to sit next to or near a man on public transport....ask women how they feel walking to their car in an underground car park.Keeping female only spaces & services for women & girls only is another huge safeguarding measure. We mitigate the danger all the time Peter...all the bloody time!!!!
Do you have firearms training and a concealed carry permit? Pistols are a good equalizer, my ex carried and I pity the fool who fucks with her.
why are women being placed in this position peter??? wtf
I cannot get past the censors. So I cannot describe what I need to describe in order to help you understand why most women do not see martial arts as a solution. But it has to do with the physical strength difference between men and women. It it why male-trans dominate female MMA fighters. Ask yourself this. If the average man gets a single blow though to the skull of the average women what will happen next? Will she even be able to make use of her martial arts training? I don't think so. Not before he is able to over power her.
I know, I've tried but my comments keep disappearing
@@zeldagoblin Thx. And you see the subject. I'm not talking about forbidden subjects. I wasn't using vulgar language. But the minute I mention certain people's names or make certain assertions about the differences between biological classes of people then Poof! My comment goes invisible.
It's really causing me not to leave comments because it just take too long and I cannot say what I want. That comment is NOT what I wanted to say. It is only the essence of my actual comment.
And the censorship is only only getting worse.
@@robertanderson6929exactly. I'm a woman who did Thai boxing for years yet am acutely aware that most men would still be able to overpower me. It's not just the vast difference in strength men have but also ppl don't fight in the ring or on the mat like they do in real life. In the ring no one could grab my hair, bite me, gouge my eyes or smash my head off a wall, outside its a different matter.
And as for carrying knives and cs or pepper spray, for these to be useful they have to a) be in your hand and b) you need to be mentally prepared to use them.
It's not easy scrambling in your bag or pockets as you're trying to pull an arm off your throat or block blows raining down on your face and head so you need them ready.
Does he really expect women to get up from the table at dinner or the desk at work, knife, taser or pepper spray in hand as they go to the bathroom?
@@littleboots9800 Thanks for that comment. And that was what I was trying to say. Regardless of the training and skill if a man surprises a women the difference in upper body strength will almost always be decisive.
The stats are something like 80% of all men can "end" 80% of all women with their bare hands. But the opposite stat is more like 2% of women can end 10% of men barehanded.
Again, that is not a criticism but just an example of WHY women need female-only spaces in which they can be vulnerable.
And gyms and malls and other places of business do NOT get to re-write the laws or change what words in laws mean.
It is a crime for a male to expose himself to a woman ANYWHERE and it is also a crime for a male to view females in female only spaces. That is Indecent Exposure and Voyeurism.
Women need to stop calling the manager and instead call 911. And if anyone coerces or threatens a women to NOT report a crime then THAT is a crime as well just a sure as when a mafia enforcer tells a deli owner to pay on time and keep his mouth shut.
@@robertanderson6929 I've been having the same problem for some time now. Disappearing comments. Those who have the power are controlling comments to make it look like the majority agrees with a particular agenda that they actually do not agree with.
Partly for political power. Yes, politicians do have software that sorts through masses of social media comments to get a general idea of public opinion on the issues.
And partly to exert peer pressure to sway the undecided or those who are just not strong when they feel that they are in the minority.
Miss Spelling can help to navigate the waters of Cents or Ship. But that doesn't always work either.
Peter - your question at around time stamp 59 minutes is somewhat ridiculous. Women are going to the women's restroom to use the bathroom. They should not have to arm themselves with any kind of weapon to fight off a potential threat with a trans person. They are not going there to look for a fight. And regardless of whether or not women have martial arts skills they are not going to overpower a man. Are women not supposed to use the bathroom in a restaurant because there may be a trans person there?
Are you suggesting women should know how to box or have martial arts skills in order to defend themselves? Even if they/we have, we will most likely be overpowered. I'm not a victim and I would fight, but I also know that at 5'3 and less than 110 pounds I would most likely get myself hurt by a man I'm fighting.
Most weapons just add to the danger. In a world that cared more about girls and women self defense courses would be started in school and at the same time boys would be encouraged to play sports.
So, women and girls should now prepare for hand-to-hand combat with a male when using public restrooms? His questions were extremely weird and accusatory.
Wasn't that crazy? He's got it in his head that any woman of any size or physical condition should be able to fight off any man of any size and physical condition.
Peter - "lopping off someone's leg" would breach every aspect of medical ethics. We DON'T just allow adults to do whatever they want - we have ethics and boundaries. No doctor would ever succumb to the pleas of someone with Xenomelia (alien limb syndrome) to amputate a limb. We don't allow anorexics to get liposuction. We don't allow people with depression to get lobotomies. As a supposed civilized society, we have morals and ethics. Allowing adults (with multiple mental health imbalances and fetishes) to mutilate their otherwise healthy bodies by chopping off parts and extracting organs violates all standards of medical ethics. We are not a libertarian based society nor could we ever function as such. The entire industry, which is nothing more than Frankensteinian experimental surgeries, needs to be shut down, and any society that values human lives and conscience over both money and men's fetishes, would do so.
Perfectly expressed
Extremely well said!!!
Well articulated 😊💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Surgeons were cutting off limbs, hopefully not as much now. Search from The Guardian "Healthy limbs cut off at patients' request" (Jan 31, 2000)
What's a few mutilations compared to the advancement and eventual perfection of phalloplasty? This is super-science, man. The future! Next you're going to start whining about research chimps and seal clubbing,I bet. What a nut.
Even if Kara carries a damn AK-47 everywhere, she's not going to feel safe in a ladies room when Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs walks in, especially if he's got multiple friends with him, and they're all drunk. And I think the average person would still want to avoid having to pull the trigger in the first place, so they don't carry the gun. Also, the physical advantages that biological males have over women make a 1 on 1 fight unfair in favor of the male anyway. Pepper spray? By the time you get it out of your purse you're on the floor. Good luck with that.
@@pcap8810no, we just have a very real fear that we’ll die if we even try to fight. Men kill us at a rate of 2 a week so rather than kick hornets nests we stay quiet and get the hell out.
@@misswallison agreed. I mean, if you're considering taking a weapon with you when you go to a restaurant, due to the possibility of violence, then I think most people would just not go to that restaurant in the first place, or avoid that entire part of town even, not carry a concealed weapon.
@@pcap8810but which man fighting which woman makes a big difference. If it's a female FBI field agent or US marine against some random idiot, sure. But the predators pick the fights, not the victims. Even the craziest rapist isn't going to try to mess with somebody that could conceivably put up a fight, they prey on the weakest victims they can find, on purpose, and they therefore need to strike somewhere private so they can't be seen. They're also not going to announce they want to rape you while they're still far enough away that you could arm yourself in time. So they're probably going to take your weapon away from you before you can even take the gun out of the holster. Personally I wouldn't expect all women everywhere to walk around with guns in their hands, safety off, ready to shoot 24/7.
@@radiac6818An average man can pretty easily overpower a trained female soldier or field agent. Look up the strength difference.
@@pcap8810 Some people are just too attached to their victimhood mentality, it seems.
What a time to live in, when accepting reality is revolutionary.
*counter-revolutionary.
I think that’s often been true. Lots of things were made correct from being incorrect in the past by people who we thought of as revolutionary at the time.
What’s weird about this is that the “revolutionaries” are people who aren’t used to conducting revolutions. We better get good at it quick! 😂
In some sense, though, this isn’t really a revolution - rather the thwarting of one that’s been underway for a long time.
In the greater picture, enlightement values have always been counter culture. There is no greater impulse than The denial of uncomfortable reality.
@@DrDeuteron I second your correction. The distinction is not minor in any way. I also concur on behalf of everyone with even the tiniest knowledge of the history of the twentieth century.
Men are violent against other men. I know maybe 1 man who has taken some kind of “measure” against the possibility of an attack by another man.
What if Kara had said that she had a gun, is that measure good enough? Is it good enough that women would have to learn violence because some men are violent? Maybe she ought employ a team of body guards as her “measure”? Which brings me to “what level of measure is appropriate for a woman to take?
At first I thought maybe Peter was deliberately trying the show the absurdity of placing the burden on the potential victim to ward off the attacker. The most rational thing for a woman to do is to leave the situation asap. I recall reading that self-defense classes actually increase the risk to women. They think they know what to do so waste time and opportunity to run.
I’m so disappointed in this last line of interrogation, Peter. It felt like a blindside.
You may not like it, but there is burden on all individuals to take measures to increase their personal safety. That's not to say there is no role for society to play, but to think there is zero burden on the individual is naive at best. What level of measure is appropriate for a woman to take? Whatever measure you feel comfortable with taking. If you choose not to use any self-defense, that is your choice. If another woman chooses to carry a firearm, that is her choice. Both are appropriate for each individual.
Your anecdotal 'maybe 1 man' is just that. Anecdotal. Vast numbers of men take measures against the possibility of an attack by another man. It's called common sense.
@@jasper_of_puppets are you his fanboy? why are you spamming every comment that disagrees with him?
@@cinnamon8884 lol, you literally just copy-pasted your comment and you're accusing me of spamming? Get outa here with that nonsense.
@@jasper_of_puppets keep on simping.
@@cinnamon8884 #simpinainteazy
Mixed sex restrooms in school settings are a safety issue for boys & girls. Denial of certain realities creates traumatic events.
The problems with women being in men's bathrooms range from embarrassment at urinating in front of members of the opposite sex to being accused of sexual harassment or even rape. I have been in this situation -- every bathroom in the university building in question had a group of women in it, as they were all unisex -- and I was terrified that even making eye contact with one of these female students in the bathroom, or infinitely worse, while urinating, could have led to me being accused of god knows what, canceled and fired. Incredibly dangerous!
I agree. Nobody should have to perform private functions in the presence of the opposite sex…male or female. It is about dignity. The concept of unisex bathrooms horrifies me.
@@gwenjackson8583genuine question: why does sex matter? I personally don’t use public restrooms because the stalls do not provide enough privacy, and I don’t like whipping it out in front of anyone who isn’t my intimate partner. It doesn’t matter whether male or female, I don’t want ANYONE seeing me (or hearing me lol) regardless of what’s between their legs.
Another huge difference between “work”, or “labor” and surrogacy is that surrogacy is renting the *inside* of a person’s body, not the labor produced by a person’s body.
OSHA laws cannot begin to the inside of one’s body a ‘safe wirkplace’.
A LOT of jobs litterally destroy your BONE structure over time, being extremely phisically demanding...and as far as i know the bones are still INSIDE a human body...
(needless to say that the same jobs are OVERWHELMINGLY done by men)
Your argument is completely ridiculous, illogical and totally biased.
Ask yourselves why all male boxing matches are divided up by weight. If every woman was required to have a blue belt in jujitsu or whatever the hell Peter is talking about here, every man would do the same thing. When women carry weapons, the likelihood they will be used against them after being overpowered is high. if every woman is expected by predatory men to be carrying pepper spray, then they will more likely confront from behind or deliver a debilitating blow before that gets deployed. Being made to feel uncomfortable or creeped out is not going to be seen as a legal reason to pepper spray someone. Women avoid danger as the wisest way to stay safe, this is why having sex divided restrooms allowed more and more women into the public sphere.
How very convenient for you; it seems your world view puts all the responsibility for your personal safety onto everyone else apart from you!
Please elaborate, not obvious how your comment is pertinent or has any basis in my comment.
Peter I didn't like your pushy line of interrogation at the end asking Kara why she hadn't taken self-defense classes etc and you mentioned a small woman you know, who by the sounds of it is perhaps an Olympic Level Jujitsu fighter.
I doubt Kara could get to that level of competency, and if she could it would probably take 5000 hours + so it isn't a fair comparison.
2 hours a week for 6 months will make little difference in Kara's case.
Her speaking to you, writing books, raising the issue is her equivalent of jujitsu. It's her effort to fight against this risk.
Someone gets a healthy leg amputated, then claims disability benefits, joins genuine disabled people's self help groups, uses disability facilities and medical resources intended for people who didn't opt into a disability including related health complications and lifelong dependence on additional assistance. Being "okay" with that seems rather uncaring to me on a societal level. And would you take the same approach if it were someone in your family or otherwise close to you?
I appreciate Kara, and 100% agree that Gender Identity is a deal breaker to social order and protection for girls and women. This insane movement shows me misogyny is real, and I'd have no idea otherwise. I see "victim mentality" is tricky, but there is a reality that women's needs are systematically ignored, and it destroys sense that "progressiveness" is a force of good at all, if it can be captured so easily.
30:30 "What is problem with women in men's bathroom?"
We CAN make define women's side as protected and men's side as "open"!
Male sports don't need "protection" from females, even females on testosterone. We should allow a legal third sex category "Diverse", male or female, and generally group with males, so bathrooms can say "Female only" and "Male and Diverse". Problem solved!
Why does Kara have to defend herself? Why do women constantly have to defend themselves against male violence? Why do we have to have blue belts in anything? This is insane!!!
We already live in a society where it is illegal to perpetrate violence upon women. But there are social deviants who do not follow rules and laws. In such a case where a male attacks a female, what would the alternative be to self-defense?
I'm a male and live in the city. There are car jackings, muggings, random attacks, etc... There is always the possibility of violence. When I go out, I have to constantly be aware of my surroundings and take proper steps to avoid being victimized. I'm a man, and I have to do this. Is there some magical force in the universe that makes women exempt from this?
Cause it would be the most SENSIBLE thing to do if you foresee possible dangers? For EVERYONE...MEN do that too you know, in a LOT of situations...is just common sense... :DDDD
No you are not lazy! Peter is ridiculous here. Peter think about it. Sounds like blaming the victim here
No, you think about it. The victim-blaming argument in this case is just a way to alleviate one's self from any burden of personal responsibility for one's own safety. Does society have a role to play? Sure it does, but there will always be violent, social deviants who do not follow the law. Don't play the victimhood card. It's a losing hand.
Not playing the victim card. She is not a victim.
But it sounds like Peter is blaming women for not going to extremes to protect themselves from men who commits assault on them. Men do not understand the lengths that’s women go to, consciously or unconsciously to protect themselves when they are out in the world.
It’s Peter that is playing the victim card.
@@anniebananie416 It's understood that women are at a particular disadvantage when faced with potentially dangerous encounters. However, it's not as though the need for protection is exclusive to women. Men can be and are the victims of violence as well. Training self-defense tools/tactics is not just a man thing.
Also, when push comes to shove, is a person better off with the resources/knowledge/tools to defend his/herself or not?
@@jasper_of_puppets oh yes men are also the targets of dangerous encounters though generally not the victims of sexual assaults to the extent that women are.
I bought my teenage son pepper stray last year as he and his friends were almost mugged and chased by older boys.
Peter, in my self defence class I was told it would be foolish to assume that just because I had taken self defence I could be so bold as to think I could take on a man on equal terms.
It's nice of you to point out that you know women who can combat you and your film crew, however if women tried to make this a rule, do you honestly think men would simply let it happen?
Does it not bother you that women die like flies at the hands of their male partners or ex partners?
Why are you not asking why men are socialised and permitted to kill women? Of course it is illegal for men to kill women but they still do it, and therefore they pose a grave danger to women.
Are you seriously suggesting that men can't help themselves? That it's in their nature?
If so, what's wrong with men's natures and what should women do about them?
If they could help themselves, why aren't you asking THESE questions?
Why not?
Excellent questions.
Is it Peter's argument that it's a woman's own fault for being raped if she wasn't armed and/or trained in martial arts?
In Peter's logic every woman should be armed and trained in martial arts, right? But: If they were men would know and they would be armed and trained as well (many already are anyway). Women cannot win an arms race with men. Men will (on average) overpower a woman most of the time. Women know that. Don't men know that? You have to consider that many women are not even as fierce as Kara may be. Many have lived through abuse before. Many just freeze when they are attacked. I cannot believe that Peter is seriously making this argument.
He's nasty.
He often plays dumb or Devil’s Advocate, but he is completely overdoing it here.
Peter, for women the best self defense for women is avoiding situations that you would need self defense in the first place.
Separate sex changing rooms and bathrooms is self defense. Not associating with sketchy dudes, leaving friend groups that tolerate sketchy dudes (By sketchy I mean likely to be predators/violent) is self defense. Not being alone with a man until you've gotten to know him very well is self defense. Running away is self defense. Watching your drink is self defense. Letting your friend know where you are and when you should be home is self defense. A physical fight is a worst case scenario for women. The vast majority of men can easily overpower women.
It's not a fair fight, so women take measures to avoid the fight in the first place. This is far more effective than martial art classes or carrying a weapon. I'm a black belt and I've learned it doesn't matter what my skill level is, I can still be easily overpowered by a stronger opponent. Even with a black belt, my go to self defense when dealing with violent unhinged men is to run/shout or run/hide and get help. Weapons can be taken away in a surprise attack. A bigger, stronger, heavier opponent can easily overpower a weaker martial arts master. Real life isn't like the movies. Strength, size, surpise and sex are the biggest determiners on who wins the fight.
Thank you for this response. I am a 62 year old female & retired childrens nurse. I was so angry about this line of questions because Peter assumed that it was stupid and making a person a ‘victim’ because they choose non-violence safety. I would never fight as it’s not in me. I would always be aware of my surroundings, try and remove myself from perceived danger or make a noise. Testosterone makes a difference.. 🇬🇧❤
To Peter's last question as to why does she not arm herself with a weapon in case she has an altercation with a man in a restroom, one valid consideration to me would be once she produces a weapon she is also now in danger. If she doesn't use the weapon correctly, if the weapon fails to discharge. She could freak out and drop it. The man could take it and use it against her. She could shoot another woman in the restroom. Finally she may also not want to have to take the life of another person regardless of the danger as she will have to live with that killing for the rest of her life.
“So added to
-what was she wearing?
-why was she on her own after dusk / in the park / on the cyclepath / by the river?
- had she ‘led him on’?
Women need to answer “what self-defence classes had she done?” And she’ll be blamed for not knowing / doing enough Kung-Fu to fight off a determined attacker twice her size. 😒”
From another’s comment- so well said!!
I think we got it the 6th time... :DDDD
I am so grateful you finally had Kara Dansky in. She is leading the fightback from women here in the US and she has important insight and perspective on this issue.
Thank you for this episode!
Except it's exactly radfems like this that brought us to this. She's a nutjob
But she doesn't realize that gay porn is as exploitative as hetero porn... It should take just a few seconds to realize that it's "body exploitation" in both cases and she doesn't see it.
She's "anti man" in the most pure form, she can't be leading the fight. It''ll just lead to another form of prejudice.
"Why would you not take steps to defend yourself against male violence?" - the assumptions behind that question are jaw-dropping. I was taught in self-defence classes that it was a bad idea to carry a weapon as it would be more than likely to be used against me. I was taught that men get off on women struggling against them and that it's safer to play dead/unconscious; that women who do that sustain fewer physical injuries than those who fight back.
More recently, I've learned that we don't necessarily get to choose our instinctive threat response. Some people go into flight or fight; which might work out well for them, but many women have an instinctive freeze response. I don't know if it's possible to overcome that during an actual attack.
Can I ask that you do some reading and listening on the topic of male violence against women? Your ignorance on the subject was surprising and disappointing. Do you really think a young girl could defend herself against an adult man? Or a woman against two or more men? How about older women, or women with health problems or disabilities?
What do you think women in New York should do to protect themselves from these men who suddenly punch them in the face without any warning or interaction? One older woman had her jaw broken by a man who did this. How could she have known that particular man was going to punch her, and how could she have stopped him?
You really don't get it at all.
💥💯🔥
Women have been assaulted while in labor. Girls assaulted by their fathers’ friends. It’s endless- we have to live our lives knowing that it can come out of nowhere and at any time.
I might be confused with Peter then. Is there something wrong with asking why the steps to defend against male violence weren't taken? What are the assumptions you mentioned? No snark in my questions, just... I'm not understanding...
My thumbs up for this interview is 98% for Kara. Class act. Peter did okay-- -yes, a sharp interviewer until that idiocy about why don't you learn to defend yourself? I hope he reads the DOZENS of excellent comments that explain to him why putting that on women is not particularly realistic or fair. Underneath his question was the implication she is disingenuous in her objections to men in women's spaces. She was very gracious and tolerant. Her books are great and deserve to be read and praised widely. Liberals (I am one) need to face facts on these issues.
Well, why don't you learn to defend yourself? Why is it neither realistic nor fair? I'm a man, but there are larger, stronger men out there who could defeat me in a violent, hand-to-hand struggle... is it unrealistic to expect me to take steps to improve my personal safety?
@@jasper_of_puppetsyou’re dogging all the comments but you don’t seem to understand at all. Try.
@@DJaneSyria What kind of logic is that? I could say the exact same back to you. Why don't _you_ try to understand?
I can follow your logic, which is applying a solution that may work for men with time on their hands, in other words your solution is male centric. You’ve continuously insisted women behave like men, showing you have no true understanding at all. On top of the fact that carrying a weapon is illegal here in Australia and many other places, and far more likely would be turned on you in a situation where you’re attacked by someone stronger than you. As so many other women have mentioned, there’s the time needed to learn self defence - if you work and have children to care for, that’s not happening. I’ve been a big fan of Peter’s for a long time and don’t usually comment because I listen to interviews while driving or doing things but I’m home sick for a few days. I have very little free time for anything. I’m so disappointed in his question to Kara at the end, and to see some men go along and not get it with him.
@@DJaneSyria All you had to say is that you prefer a victim mentality.
Doctors shouldn't be prescribing exogenous hormones for cosmetic reasons either
Regarding the self defense argument, Peter.. Driving a car can get you killed. Literally anytime you're in a car, you are potentially seconds from being dead.
What steps do you take to prevent it? Will you stop driving? No. Being a woman is like driving a car, you're always at risk of being a victim of a violent man. Does it mean women have to carry weapons on them 24/7 or stay home? No. We don't carry weapons because we're child caretakers, and a weapon is more likely to hurt a child than an attacker. We fight to make the laws protect us.
When a dangerous driver veers in front of you, do you just continue through into their vehicle because "it's not my responsibility to protect myself from this violence", or do you BRAKE?! Do you TAKE THAT PRECAUTION?
That’s not a precaution, lol.
Your comparison is litterally INSANE and I am not even wasting my time debunking it...
Thank you for having Kara on! She is a hero of mine! Bravo to her and her continued work towards recovering women’s spaces and rights! 👏🏻
a friend of mine has a black belt in tae kwon do and if she was attacked she would kick the guy in the balls and run because she knows from training with men that the man would always overwhelm her no matter how good she was.
So we have to all become GI Jane in order to go out of the house? The risk is from men, mitigate them
And do you have any actual suggestions or just empty criticism?
@@CurlyJack22 what like yours? MYOB
Male violence is good for males? Interesting. I'd never considered that there could be benefits for me in the abuse of women and girls, I naively believed that being an abusive man was a bad thing for me (and every man) to be; however, you are a woman, and alas, I am but a terrible half-sentient male, so I will take your word for it and undertake to change my behavior according to what you dictate my self-interest as a man to be. I can't act in a manner contrary to my self-interest, and because it is consistent with my self-interest to be abusive to women and girls I can't but pursue that self-interest. I've never hit a woman before, but I guess I'll go give it a try. I'll get back to you on how my male existence improves as a consequence of my transgressions against the female sex, thanks for setting me straight on this matter, it would be terrible to have wasted my entire life denying myself the apparent joys of being a monster due to the silly misapprehension that to be a good man is a good thing for "good" men to be!
To answer Peter's question at 57mins. women should not need to take any steps for protection in women's spaces (like bathrooms).
I think he banged on about it way too much, putting the onus on women to actively defend themselves. Even if they do, there should still be safe spaces (such as bathrooms) where they can drop their guard.
This was great, until the end, when you demonstrate that you missed the point of Kara's work entirely. It's so difficult for even the best intentioned of men to understand women's experience. Thank you for an otherwise excellent and fascinating interview. Kara is doing amazing work.
Really lost respect for Peter. Kara was far too patient with him. He is oblivious. Personal vs public policy. Not difficult
And he has gained my respect. Who am I kidding, I already respected him lol
Peter, all women are constantly at risk. We take loads of steps to prevent it. This movement IS the biggest step to take.
Male violence is good for males? Interesting. I'd never considered that there could be benefits for me in the abuse of women and girls, I naively believed that being an abusive man was a bad thing for me (and every man) to be; however, you are a woman, and alas, I am but a terrible half-sentient male, so I will take your word for it and undertake to change my behavior according to what you dictate my self-interest as a man to be. I can't act in a manner contrary to my self-interest, and because it is consistent with my self-interest to be abusive to women and girls I can't but pursue that self-interest. I've never hit a woman before, but I guess I'll go give it a try. I'll get back to you on how my male existence improves as a consequence of my transgressions against the female sex, thanks for setting me straight on this matter, it would be terrible to have wasted my entire life denying myself the apparent joys of being a monster due to the silly misapprehension that to be a good man is a good thing for "good" men to be!
Interesting interview. I admire Kara. The badgering at the end of the interview re why don't women arm themselves or all get black belts was truly obnoxious. Try listening to women so that you can move out of your own mindset as a man. We are in a very different position. Because we are very vulnerable to men (with or without guns and pepper spray!), who are almost always physically stronger, women learn to take precautions for our safety starting in girlhood. As Kara said, we cultivate awareness of our surroundings, who is around us, where we are, how we might leave a potentially dangerous situation.... Mostly we avoid potential risky scenarios, at night, being alone in secluded spaces and so on. Unfortunate, but the reality. We fought for the right to safe spaces and security and have a right to their continuance - that is the point.
Wow, first definition of a radical feminist that I've heard. SuperWow, I'm a TERF!!
Thanks for the interview.
It's illegal to arm yourself in Australia - that includes carrying pepper spray.
Crocodile Dundee must be rolling in his grave.
As well as Canada. Must have been a man who came up with that one.
@@jasper_of_puppets He's still alive but was cancelled - he wouldn't date a trans woman!
And in the UK, where Peter currently is.
I've actually heard from men who DON'T want women in there single sex spaces such as locker rooms and bathrooms as well. This is not just an issue for women only.
Women think defensively every time they go anywhere alone. Shouldn't we at least be able to go to a public bathroom without being fearful.
Would like to see Karen Davis call him on his obliviousness on certain topics. Great slant towards blaming the victim, Peter.
He's pretending not to know (which he does all the time in all his videos, it's part of his rhetoric approach) because he disagrees with her on virtually everything but the sex/gender stuff, and is trying to stay neutral rather than turn the interview into a debate.
lmao
23:52 I read that women’s bathrooms came about with the industrial age and women were on the canning etc lines. They were out of the house and needed to go to the bathroom but with unisex bathrooms and clothing that required layers to take off they were susceptible to rape etc in the bathroom. So for their safety separate bathrooms were created
I'm annoyed at this line of questioning around the 1hr mark. Why doesn't she do anything about the risk of encountering men in women's spaces. She IS doing something! She wrote a book. She's on your show. She's helping people see and understand the problem.
Is he pretending to be thick?
PETER!! You're grilling Kara about why she doesn't take steps to protect herself if she knows she's going to potentially be in a dangerous situation. On the one hand, yes, women should ideally know how to protect ourselves. From a radical feminist perspective - getting to the root of the issue as Kara explained, the issue isn't that all women don't know how to protect ourselves or that we are or aren't armed, the issue is that we have to be concerned about it in the first place! The issue is that we cannot even go into what was once private spaces for women, without being worried about the threat of male danger. The solution to preventing harm coming to women and girls is to stop male violence in the first place! The way you're grilling her at the end shows you have zero idea of how women live in the world. So to play your game - let me ask you - if a woman is attacked by a male, and she did not know how to protect herself, is whatever harm comes to her on her because she was ill equipped to manage the attack, or is it on the man? The answer to violence against women is for men to stop being violent!
Why do you think concern about your personal safety is a woman's issue?
But all humans will need to worry about our safety FOREVER. Criminal men are not criminal because they are socialized into being so. Psychological disorders exist.
Does he think then that 8 or 10 or 12-year-old girls should be required to take self-defense classes or carry around mace? Younger?
@@SEAsiaTraveler and elderly women who might be frail?
@@SEAsiaTraveler Right. Was the boy who committed the rape ever addressed much less punished. Or is it the 12 year old child's fault for not having a black belt, gun or pepper spray when sh went to the girl's room at her elementary school in the USA.
PETER are you not aware of FALLON FOX breaking a womans skull in mma ...so a woman highly skilled at martial arts
It's unclear to me if you're trying to reveal that Kara (and maybe other feminists) are not REALLY concerned about male violence because if they were they would prepare to defend themselves? I feel like thats where it's leading yet it never actually goes there. is that the claim?
That’s the impression I got.
let say that sometimes, if you are trying to gain political advantage for your "side" or simply stress a point, you tend to OVEREXAGERATE a little bit in your rethoric... :DDDD
Let say that radical feminists have this tendency of using "hyperbolic language" (like this notion that any woman is in constant danger and looking over their shoulder for threats...obviously ridicolous and untrue...especially when the opposite implication is that men are, instead, supposed to live this "carefree" life, completely safe and never being in danger of any kind)
And let say that sometimes it sound a bit disingenuous and hypocritical... :DDD
That and his demanding of numbers for how many women or girls have been assaulted by trans identified males in women's spaces sure sounded like it.
Regarding surrogacy, the primary consideraiton should always be the well-being of the child. No matter how you dance around the flimsy justifications for surrogacy, the biggest constant is that this arrangement will result in the exact opposite of what is in the best interest of the child 100% of the time. Physically, emotionally, and mentally, the baby LOSES.
-Commercial Surrogacy
Any reasonable person should agree that human beings should not be for sale in literally any context. One could argue that selling a newborn may be better or worse than selling a human of any other age, but that literally doesn't even matter in this case because, again, human beings should not be FOR SALE in any context whatsoever. It's barbaric that this even needs to be debated, but I guess that's to be expected when its a multi-billion $ industry.
-Altruistic Surrogacy
In the event that there is no financial aspect to the surrogacy, the primary consideration is still in effect: severing the mother/newborn dyad is objectibely the worst non-lethal thing you can do. There is NO good reason to remove a newborn from his or her mother. That baby needs constant skin-to-skin, colostrom, and warmth that only the mother can provide. It is demented and evil to intiate a pregnancy and carry the baby to full term WITH THE INTENTION of separating the baby from it's mother soon after birth.
It's not that people shouldn't be allowed to have extreme body modifications it's about where the line of medical ethics should be drawn. There are plenty of procedures doctors aren't allowed to do. I think genital mutilation and cutting off healthy organs should be on that list.
First thing I would do is refuse to participate in those language games, TERF and all those other derogatory terms, which are designed to control debate and beat down people without actually discussing the issues.
Just like Queer, TERF has been reclaimed by women right‘s campaigners…
well they use language that implies the narrative is correct, and they do it across the board: 'underserved communities', 'climate _catastrophe_ ", " _hetero_ normative", " _wage_ gap" [not hours gap], "pay your fair share", "of color", 'white privilege', "genocide", "Israel _Hamas_ war" [why not Palestine IDF war?], and opponents adopt it and already start out behind (they don't have a "level playing field").
Lets then include 'radical feminist'....a non-sensical term
TERF is still a slur, even if some "radical feminists" have embraced it
I think the answer to the question at 1 hour is, the natural response to danger is for the woman to flee from danger, not to stand up and defend ones self, that is one of the things that is inherent to being a woman/female (Btw my hens run when the rooster get too frisky) We as a society need to protect women from being put into a position of danger. This does not prevent a woman from carrying a gun or learning self-defense tactics, but that is not the solution to this problem.
Please keep up the good work.
The oft reality here is that women freeze when under threat. Fight/flight is obviously more available to men; for women they often have no option but the freeze/fawn threat response. It's completely automatic, you don't get to choose.
😮😮Peter asks why she doesn’t carry pepper spray or a gun. I understand I am at risk but I don’t carry and I was raped as a young woman. I assess that as a small woman I am more likely to get hurt by carrying a weapon. My solution is to minimize my risk by awareness of who is around me, what bathrooms are safe, staying sober, traveling primarily by day, etc.
How would you be less safe by carrying/using pepper spray?
@@jasper_of_puppetsit’s illegal in a lot of places.
I am a very small person and any weapon is likely to be taken prom me. I just make sure I assess any potential risk and plan accordingly.
Bring back shame and taboos so we can repeal the laws. A society can't have freedom without order.
The end seemed like Peter was trying to recruit her into his Jujitsu cult.
Peter did you lose your mind a bit near the end there? It was an odd question...ive never felt the desire to learn martial arts, it never crossed my mind I should as a way of protecting myself. Some of us just don't want to do any type of violence but would just 'flight' instead of fight.
My partner does karate so I pretend to be Kato sometimes...Just for fun😂
It's beyond just the weapons though. I watched a video of a girl that got killed, after going to a disco in an area known for several recent murders of girls, and then walking out the disco in the middle of the night alone and trying to go home on foot.
I think this is what Peter is talking about.
It seems many women try to live in a delusional reality where they think somehow, magically, bad things won't happen to them because "I should be able to do whatever I want" or whatever. It's just as delusional as the sex/gender stuff. Ladies, if something is dangerous DON'T FUCKING DO IT. Regardless of whether you should have the freedom or not to do it, regardless if other people should or shouldn't have a problem with that and leave you alone, if the reality of the matter is that something is dangerous, just stay the fuck away.
No one is going to have special sympathy for you if you got raped after the club, when you showed up dressed provocatively and got massively drunk, the same way how no one has special sympathy for idiots that go to known ghettos/dangerous neighborhoods and get mugged.
You made your choice, and then got it's consequence.
Peter, what kind of question was that last question??? Wow, I’m so disappointed in this framing. This was such an insightful conversation and your takeaway was: “why are you acting like a victim?” Instead of “what can we do to make sure women are safe from these conditions?”
Question: “what can we do to make sure women are safe from these conditions?”
Answer: stop acting like a victim
@@jasper_of_puppets Lmao. I hope you live long enough to see where the absurdity of this madness leads to. And that you have a wife and daughter so you can experience it personally. It’s beyond insensitive to be like “men are invading your private spaces, but why don’t women just go take self defense classes??”
That’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard of. It’s like the American solution to mass shootings: “Your children are getting slaughtered in school shootings? Why are teachers not taught how to use guns and students equipped with bulletproof backpacks?”
Madness.
Peter wanted to know why women don't protect themselves from harm. Men have to protect themselves from harm. I have done martial arts for 20 years.
He asked the lady why does not protect herself and she said she was lazy I think. As men we cannot afford to be lazy as we will not survive. We have had to learn how to fight to protect ourselves. We do not understand your point of view
I wanted to give this video a like for Kara’s part, but couldn’t do it because of how awful Peter was at the end with the self defense questions. Getting so tired of his inability to understand certain things in this crazy gender nightmare.
Same
In the UK we cannot "arm" ourselves - Self defence classes DO NOT negate facts -
"Even with roughly uniform levels of fitness, the males' average power during a punching motion is 162% greater than females', with the least-powerful man still stronger than the most powerful woman."
"The amount of power each participant threw into spinning the heavy flywheel, the chaps came out streets ahead of the women, packing almost three times more power on average into their wheel spins (282 W) than the females (108 W)."
I thought you had common sense Peter, sadly you seem completely nonsensical on this issue!
BIOLOGY CANNOT BE ERASED - Men are stronger - FACT - so women try to leave any violent situation. It IS the BEST step - unless men stop attacking women that is all we got!
In the UK, you are oppressed. How crazy is that?! And you can barely speak out against that.
Men don't attack women. Predators do. Promote and celebrate marriage, so well adjusted women and men will more likely grow up well adjusted. 🐿
Peter, Isn't it a question when too much thought process is damaging to your logic? Ask that girl whose parents discovered that she was raped why didn't she think of achieving a blue belt?! Look at Kara - a tiny woman. No matter how hard she trains most men would overpower her! Isn't the best way to protect ourselves is to keep men out of female spaces?! And this is what Kara is fighting for - this is worth thousands blue or black belts! Disappointed in Peter.
I suppose I reflected on now. I think Kara handled it well and can see why Peter would ask a question like that.
Males and females both should have a right to bodily privacy vis-a-vis the opposite sex. This is not only about safety. Many males would not like a female standing by while they use a urinal. For their safety, women don't usually walk down dark alleys. Being alone in a bathroom with a male is like walking into a dark alley with a male. We'll now be going back in the good 'ol days, when women were blamed for rape no matter what they did. She' will be accusingly asked why she watched a man go into the bathroom and she went in anyway to relieve herself. If I'm on the road and stop at a rest stop, I won't go in the restroom unless there's lots of activity. While I believe self-defense training is a good thing, it's the very rare woman who is going to stop a determined male but she may make him think twice and decide she's not worth it. I do know a woman who was shoved into her apartment from behind and was able to fight a male for 15 minutes before he gave up. She was also a mountain climber. I do carry and have used a firearm (did not have to fire it) to send a freak retreating when my car broke down in a deserted area. I had another one a few years back, flat tire on my trailer in the pre-dawn hours, and I was able to deter with my hand on the 4-way jack. I could see the gears turning in his eyes as he finally decided I wasn't worth the fight. Whoever tells girls and women fighting back just "escalates" the problem is a problem. I remember that crap from when I was in 5th grade in 1970 and law enforcement came to the school to talk to the kids. That's exactly what they told the girls: If you fight back it will be your fault if he hurts you worse. To the boys they said "scream and fight like heck." Keep your head on a swivel, be aware of what's going on around you, go to the range and get a carry license for at least when traveling on the road, and have either pepper spray or a monkey fist. Pepper spray may give someone a few seconds to run and scream for help. I like the monkey fist on my key chain so it's always dangling when I have my truck keys out in parking lots.
The problem with transgenderism is that it attributes happiness and a lessening of suffering to personal identity. This is problematic because when you anchor your ability to alleviate suffering on your identity, you're telling yourself that your identity is the most important thing about yourself, which it's not. If you look in the mirror and what's staring back at you causes you to suffer, and let's say the cause of that suffering can be pinpointed to your nose, your initial solution to this is to get a nose job. Once you get the nose job, you then look back in the mirror and still find what's looking back at you is causing you to suffer. Now you pinpoint this to your lips and mouth, and you get the appropriate surgery. You look back in the mirror and still find what's looking back at you causing you to suffer. From here, you just keep repeating the same process: you pinpoint a part of the body and then you attempt to change it. This process just repeats endlessly. There is no end because what you're attempting to fix has no start or finish. Your identity and how you look are just that; they're something that just is.
Peter, does the person want to lop off his leg or is it so only after years of being encouraged at school and by society that some people are leg loppers and the rest are cis legs?
You can tell women as a sex class are the group that is oppressed just by hearing him regularly return and centre gay men when discussing feminist issues. Why does he feel the need to do that?
So added to
-what was she wearing?
-why was she on her own after dusk / in the park / on the cyclepath / by the river?
- had she ‘led him on’?
Women need to answer “what self-defence classes had she done?” And she’ll be blamed for not knowing / doing enough Kung-Fu to fight off a determined attacker twice her size. 😒