There was a trend last year of dudes posting shorts of them eating in peace with text like “When I go out to eat without my GF and it only costs $15 instead of $350 and an argument” and the comments were always filled with seething girlies.
@@alittleofsomething Lots of them. Look up "foodie call". Women who only go out with men for the meal. They will suggest the most expensive restaurants hoping some simp will take them up on it. Remember that Cheese Cake Factory isn't good enough.
@@alittleofsomething two meals, maybe an appetizer, and especially with the addition of a few adult beverages, the meal price can quickly skyrocket even in modest establishments.
I once had a female "friend" who is no longer a friend because she started expecting me to pay to entertain her while she looked for someone else to date. She's divorced with kids now.
Same. Repeatedly REJECTED. We were great together. Parents loved me. Too good for her, she said. She died of natural causes. At the funeral people continued to ask me about.’us’. I finally had to take the podium and explain to everyone that she rejected me, we were never dating, and we never had sex. Waste of time. BTW, she was still in love with the guy who died over two decades ago.
@@etITWright Exactly why, if you aren't her alpha, don't waste your time. I knew a woman and we were both in the get married and start a family mentality. However, she was hung up on a guy that only wanted her has a friend. Mutal friends from an older generation couldn't understand why I didn't persue her. I will never persue a woman that is focused on another man. That is just a waste of your time.
We also don't have the benefit of Affirmative Action, like women. They get "equal pay" for doing a lot less work and the last to get fired. When I was an aircraft mechanic, my employer hired all 3 women who applied no questions asked. They staffed an entire room of "Records" to do simple data entry, just to meet Federal requirements for Affirmative Action. I can't get that job working in the Air Conditioned office, choosing my own hours, having no deadlines, etc. Only women can get that job. And those jobs all take off the top of my paycheck -- we could have replaced all of them with a Python script. Their jobs were charity.
As are about 51% of the jobs out here. What, you didn't think they were going to put women on the factory floor after WW2 - no no. Bosses wanted all the women in the office with them to run through a bunch of cheating wives trying to money branch up - while their husband was on the factory floor working with 1 leg blown off. This snowball has been rolling down the mountain for a LONG time.
It isn't just money. When you start a relationship with them they start to attack you. I've seen it happen even to billionaires. They have to test you to see if you're better than all her previous boyfriends and guarantee that you won't let her down.
@@jamesjonnes That's known in certain circles as a shit test. Well that's _one_ form of shit test, anyway. There's several different types. And that brings up the subject of the other costs beside money. There's also time and energy. If I come home from dodging flying salt slag pebbles at the aluminum recycling plant and now we're in a 10-minute argument, that's a cost.
@@WokeismIsMarxism They literally want to make it so you have to get written permission to *lay eyes on them* (and would 100% vote yes in unison on any law to that effect)... and also say they're open to being approached. (This is why only people with terrible pattern recog stand up for them.)
Side bar: Statistically Women DON'T have to work as hard so they really don't have a clue just how big of an issue this is. Your average guy has to actually work his ass off instead of taking meetings and sipping lattes all frigging day (while creating a toxic work environment i might add) because men aren't hired to fill quotas...we are hired to to do the actual work.
It's hysterical how few of them make the connection between *alotting them a fixed number of jobs in the work force* and CHARITY. (Spoiler? Companies like to hire people who do the most work. If they were 1/100th as productive as they like to pretend they are? There never would have been a split in the labor force to begin with.)
i've had multiple female coworkers. we do programming stuff remotely/online. they are all very hard working. on my previous job (offline), some of the girls were hard working, but the rest are just like you guys talked lol. just to remind you guys theres always the other side.
@@user-yy3ki9rl6i Well, being hard worker is more of a personality thing, but this is more about what is expected of women in workplaces in general. I've seen many kinds as well and hard working non-bossy types are a joy.
I sucked at being a boyfriend because I was poor. But as it turns out, I met someone who loved me in spite of my poverty, and we've been happily married for over twenty years now. Turns out poverty was a great process for weeding out the gold diggers.
Exactly. This dude derails any topic to serve as a personal psychotherapy session for him to voice his own self-percieved monetary inadequacies. Money isn't that important, at least in my experience. I've never had any long term girlfriend cost me anything. I'm from Europe, so may be a cultural thing. Just don't date gold diggers and problem gone. Or live a sour life like this small person.
@@kentjohnson873 There are two reasons you don't tell people about the money. A) You have too much B) You're broke Everyone assumes the latter, but when they hear the latter, suddenly, every girl goes crazy. I lost a lot of friends there, and she is the reason why, and have no time to mess around.
What has changed in 20 years? EVERYTHING Dating was hard mode 10 years ago, now it's nightmare difficulty. (I've attempted to date a few hundred women during these years, succeeded about 5 times)
Also let’s not forget the guys they choose to be “friends” with are usually the guys that don’t get girls. While the guys that they choose to be their boyfriend usually have lots of girls that want him. It’s easy to be okay with being a “bad boyfriend” when you know there is always another one waiting in the wings.
The answer is that women put effort to get what they want, and no effort to look for what they need. Men are different, they are ok at not having what they want, as long as they have what they need. Women should stop projecting their issues in men.
The short answer is the friend and the boyfriend are not the same dude. Ladies out there expecting 8-10s with multiple side pieces to settle down with them while not looking at themselves and realizing that they're 5-7s on a good day.
This is 100% my experience. They'd rather be one in a stack of 50 for a 6ft trust-fund kid than be near a guy who has a stable income and loves them unconditionally.
@@axiss5840 It kind of makes sense, and men are no different. Would you rather have sex with a totally ugly chick that's a virgin or a gorgeous chick that's slept with 20 men? Exactly.
Ngl I did get someone who is almost universally ranked 8-10 by women, with tons of options, to ask me for commitment. And I'm like a 6. But what I do have is a good personality, a strong work ethic, and high autonomy. A true high value man plans for the future and planning for the future includes seeking emotional compatibility first in an LTR. Of course I am going to try for the best men I can find. So far it's working great.
@@SpecialBlanket You are likely far overrating his attractiveness simply because you find him attractive. I've had many average/below average women say I'm super hot and sexy and others say I'm ugly. He's probably a 5-6....guys that are ' universally attractive ' are VERY rare
I like when one person says "we (women)" to make it sound like it's an epidemic everywhere and not an individual experience. That keeps her from actually evaluating herself.
This whole channel is a generalization of course... "women this", "women that." Presented as "facts," like math. When the problem is, men want attractive women, and being attractive costs time and money... way more than men will ever realize. (Just go to an ULTA and look at the women there, and the prices.) When men go for the most attractive women and don't have life experience to judge character, they are bound to end up with someone who is superficial and will expect their boyfriend to put in time and money to be loved, just like they constantly put in time and money to be loved. Then men complain that is a universal experience, rather than evaluating themselves and their own choices.
@@MeowImages Bro most people DO NOT need a blue eye shadow extra long eye lash full foundation blended girl at all ever lol. Yall do that ish for the dudes YALL want not for all men everywhere. Its ironic that the same chicks that say that men do it to themselves are the same chicks that, who woulda thought DO IT TO THEMSELVES trying to get with the super fit double sleeve tattoo'd super interesting guy that already has like 30 side pieces lol.
I think channels like this are really harmful, as they make young men blame everything on society/women/external factors and make them feel hopeless, instead of encouraging some self-searching and personal growth.
@@MeowImages So, your whole point was to be angry about generalizations you've heard about women, to then make generalizations about men. All it sounds like to me is that you're on "team women".
And probably by "good boyfriend" she means 'someone who doesn't give up on me when I'm difficult on purpose specifically to see if he'll give up on me"
It is pure vertigo going from: really liking women from afar, and trying to get closer to them with kindness... to actually starting to get how they think & act, and having to put in real work just to tolerate them at all. Seriously, Al Bundy/Patrice O'Neal kinda nailed it. Once you understand them? You stop liking them the same day. (And you know it's understanding, 'cuz the point when they start doing a tapdance on your last nerve is also the point when you start being able to predict their reactions/etc. with startling accuracy.)
@@ephraimwinslow All part of growing up: The realization that many of your sports heroes are truly vile people and the leagues themselves are rigged, the government does not have your best interests at heart and only serve a small fraction of wealthy interests, movies and tv shows are indeed "programming", most popular food and drink is poison, and yes, the "fairer sex" is not really all that fair. All that being said, there is still so much beauty to enjoy in this life - if you're willing to look for and recognize it. Marcus Aurelius said, "Don't be overheard complaining....not even to yourself" - so make the best with what you have and understand that it can always be worse. Be well, men.
In 2024 with women on average making almost exactly what men do there’s zero reason for us to continue to give them money as they give us less than less in return. This is insane.
In America since all women have minority status they get the benefit of affirmative action laws and dei. The average single woman is making more than the average single man, and it's been this way for a while.
Once I started thinking about my boyfriend as if he was my best friend, I started feeling much better about our relationship. I try my best to filter out whatever nonsense people say your boyfriend should be doing for you, cuz it really comes from everyone. Even my friends "oh did your bf take u out this day" "did he get you a nice gift" or when I say I'm saving for something "why doesn't your bf just buy it for you" don't get me wrong I still have expectations, but that's more along the lines of loyalty and mutual respect.
Thanks for that. Good to know that some unicorns exist. I see this with my girlfriend. She doesn't have high expectations for things related to money compared to most other women I've dated, but her friends, family, and coworkers are constantly asking her what I did for X, or what I bought her for Y, or where I took her for Z. It's relentless. What none of them understand/know, is I make huge sacrifices for her that even she is not always aware of (because she would feel guilty and insist I don't do it). I also, don't buy her things based on some schedule of holidays. I prefer to buy her things randomly/when she needs them or to solve problems in her life to make things easier for her. That rarely corresponds with a holiday, but it is usually far more expensive than buying some cliche trinket because...scheduled holiday time. As a result, a few of her friends/coworkers think I'm a loser boyfriend and they pretty much tell her that. I just ignore it and thankfully she mostly does too, but it's kind of frustrating. I'm not looking for kudos, but I don't like being painted as the villain either.
It's ironic, because having a woman expecting a bunch of stuff from me makes me not want to do it. And even if I do it doesn't feel heartfelt but like I'm just fulfilling her expectations. Then she would get mad like I didn't care or wouldn't make an effort with her. Never again.
She doesn't care about your facts HoeMath. In fact, she can easily ignore everything you just said and then cry because you're so mean and don't care about her happiness.
I swear to you, going full misogyhonest feels like using a game genie code. "YOU'RE SO MEAN TO ME~" "Yes, and?" NONE of them know how to react. Not one. It's like coming at them with a foreign language.
His gf that he was singing praises about apparently left him because he isn't making enough money so one can only think that this came from a very deep personal place too
I yearn for the day when my firm's DEI team stops telling me how horrible I am for being born a certain way, and also for the day the government stops debasing my currency.
LOL DEI is such a joke. We once had a big DEI event at my work. I show up and I see only asians in the room. They’ve grouped us into categories for the sake of diversity. How does that make sense LOL
Yeah it's interesting to notice how stress free things are when all you need from each other is pleasant company, and noone is trying to constantly negotiate for a better deal.
"Did it pay enough? Me neither" This single statement is so funny yet completely elusive to the woman's experience that it makes me laugh harder then it should
@@theeclectic2919 Exactly! The amount of time, energy, & effort that the average man has to put into a relationship. Much less above average man. For a woman that could easily abort his child whenever she feels like it, or convince him that it's even his in the first place. And she could still always leave him at any time & take half or more? Simply is not worth it. Women in general are a horrible investment for a man. At least if men had rights it would make sense. But to bust your balls that hard for them with no love or appreciation back is just frustrating.
Once you combine that with the juice not being worth the squeeze, it is a clear disincentive to participate. My mother used to clip coupons all the time to make my father's income stretch as far as possible. She valued his income and did not want to waste it. My father valued my mother's time and did not want to waste that either. If we made a mess we had to clean it up, since our mother was 'not our maid'. These days it is about what level a man can keep you at. We cannot keep you. I hear women say, "I do not want to work, I want to be a housewife." You would not last 10 minutes as a housewife. Ever try to take care of a three bedroom house with two kids under the age of three, prepare three meals a day, keep up with the laundry, shop for everything the family needs? It's not eating bon-bons on a sofa watching daytime television. It is a ton of work, and the only benefit is you are your own boss. You will not get two hours to put on make-up.
A professional strumpet is less expensive, provides more and gives more, brings less stress and drama and is all around a way better arrangement for both parties.
Yup, I've been MGTOW since caught my wife f'ing my friend and still cost me 500k, my house, my car and 1100/mth child support. So, time to time now I just pay for a high end one. Its about same price as 2 dates and you KNOW your getting what you paid for
I went to high school prom my sophomore, junior, and senior years, and each time afterwards I found myself comparing what I could have bought with the money I spent on prom, and regretting that I didn't spend my money more wisely. Now I'm over 40 and live alone with a bunch of dogs and endless DIY projects, and I've never been happier.
@@TarpeianRock That's just specific to me, since it's what I love most. A more general phrasing would have been "endless amounts of doing exactly what you love most." :-)
We don't suck. Herero sexual divorce rates and lesbian divorce rates are, over time, approaching equality. Gay men, OTOH, get divorced one-half as much. I believe the reason is that men, more so than women, emotionally invest in the partnership. A full 60% of men consider their wife to be their best friend. Only 30% of wives invest that same energy. Something else interesting is all the women who talk about 'divorcing the good guy' because they were BORED with him and their life wasn't exciting anymore. Well, the men, probably, aren't any more excited but are content whereas you're not. Consequently, I think, ladies, the issue is more on your side than our side.
You're so close to getting it. (Spoiler? Those "emotional needs" they talk about? Yeah, they're identical to the emotional needs of any randomly selected 13 year old. Said items being: more, and now.)
That's actually pretty fucking profound, you know? It never really occurred to me (I'm old, gay people just got the right to be married like a year or two ago, right?) to compare hetero- and homo-sexual divorce rates! It's brilliant! And hilarious. I'm not even _slightly_ surprised that two men would stay together twice as often as a woman and... Anyone. I'm also not even slightly surprised that you don't hear about these numbers on the news. Do you have any links to numbers on this?
@@MyName-tb9oz The insanely fickle stats on F/F relationships have been an open secret for a while now. It won't be hard to dig up the top ten hits on that hilariously enlightening rabbit hole.
I usually go with, "six-year-old," when I'm speaking of their emotional maturity, @@ephraimwinslow. My daughter being an exception to that. She's only in her 20s and she's giving some consideration to growing up and being an adult.
@@ephraimwinslow As a single father who raised two daughters (about a year apart) - this is exactly true. I would date 30/40 y.o women with kids of their own who acted, spoke, thought the same or WORSE than hormonal tween girls. That's when I gave up on dating women - nothing but children.
Having a long term girlfriend or getting married is probably the single most financially costly thing the average man under age forty can do. If you have children and she decides to leave for any random reason, you are then eighteen years a slave to child support and family court proceedings. That’s the answer. This video is super based. Well done brother!
Keep in mind an important fact. Men have always earned more, even now with redistribution of wealth. But women always did the bulk of household spending. And, even to this day, men pay 2/3 of federal taxes.
@@TheBelrick My Fiance is erning above avarage, I do 2 times avarage. So we're in top 10% hauseholds. I'm paying 75% of bills, and still manage to save around 10% of my salary. She is constantly on 0 at the end of the month. This shit is expensive. And I have absolute no idea how it is possible.
@@BorisEysbroek chill man :) she still adds 25% to the bills and do not demand extra cash for personal expenses. So her presence is net positive in finance. this 25% is more than the minimal wage. If you take a wider perspective its not so bad. What I meant, is that even succesfull ladies barely manage to afford themselves :D
As friends, women are emotionally taxing... As coworkers, women are mentally taxing... As girlfriends, women are emotionally, mentally, and financially taxing... As wives, women are emotionally, mentally, financially, and spiritually taxing...
Also friends will talk to you when there is something wrong, my friends generally don't expect me to read their mind regarding something bothering them, they just tell me.
Not sure it's all about money. Tbh I don't even know where to find "normal" girls. All I want is someone that won't make my life worse. Which is a lot to ask if you're a guy.
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A lot of people no longer understand the difference between husband/wife relationships vs boyfriend/girlfriend relationships. A dude does not deserve sex unless that woman is married to him. Likewise, girlfriends do not deserve husband privileges (I.e.: special dinners, jewelry etc.) that is saved for a wife.
So true 👍 Friends have been asking Me (M55) for 15 years why I'm single, and I always answered the same way "I can't afford a GF"😂 They always assumed I was joking, I really wasn't!
I could afford a women that has a job and did not have a crazy amount of debts but it is the ending part that would ruin me , cause nothing is forever , especially now and if you had kid(s)...well you are more then broke, you are in the streets or worse. Yeah yeah, it self defeating thoughts, used to be less cynical but life will you that to you.
His gf very recently left him because she is not happy with the amount of money he is making, by his own admission. ofcourse he was extra sassy today...the video topic hits a bit too close to home
Women are a wealthy man's privilege these days. My divorce was 11 years ago (10 year relationship killed by hypergamy). I was 40 yrs old at the time and decided I was done dating. Will not risk my time, energy and resources to another relationship. Now I'm off blood pressure meds, actually have money in savings and a nice 1br apartment. But I'm 51 now and it will take you younger guys time to reach a point where you too can say, "the juice is not worth the squeeze".
Women don't actively look for reasons thier friends aren't good enough for the rest of your friendship. Men look for reasons to stay while women look for reasons to leave.
This doesn't apply to Europe. I (25 yo male with a good income) live in Germany and my girlfriend who is still a student and earns 25% of what I make in a month, always split our bill 50/50. All of my friends who are in relationships do the same. Women who expect to be paid for, are seen here to be at least weird or a in the worst case a prostitute. Just split it 50/50. Equal rights, equal pay and equally splitting the bill.
25 yrs ago me and some gamers did the math youll save almost 400k over a lifetime renting what you want from a woman vs marrying one . thought the math was sketch i no longer think that i now know its probably 600k now.
Let's not forget we're all still paying for those single moms with our tax dollars. So gov't is basically charging every working man alimony and child support forever. Do we pay because they hate us? or do they hate us because we pay?
@@NemisCassander Yeah but the term "working" in that title requires airquotes. (Attending meetings and repeating jargon is not work. It's just what women naturally do in absentia of chores.)
@@vivienneb6199 Because you literally lined up around the block for them to hit + quit raw on the basis of tattoos and machismo. Mystery solved, have another wine glass.
@@vivienneb6199 Because you and your sisters lined up around the block for them to plough like rented fields 'cuz they have tattoos and big shoulders. (Did you forget about that part?)
@NemisCassander Yes, but women are far and away the main beneficiaries of gov't assistance and child support. It's one thing to help people with disabilities or down on their luck, it's another to support generation after generation of single mothers who get paid to have more children while separating them from their fathers.
"You are stuff that we are no longer able to afford.". Well said, my friend, well said. Plus, who wants to pay premium bakery prices for an expired, moldy & crusty loaf of bread with 40 'sample bites' taken out of it?
@@FuelAirSparkTime Waiting and hoping for a f*ck while she makes you wait and hope, but at the same time she is nice to you to get some free male attention, compliments and gifts. 🤷♂️
@tumultoustortellini I've had plenty. But thanks for your useless comment. In my experience, girl 'friends ' either don't stay that way, or there's usually more value in spending the same time with a dude I get along with. Co workers aren't counting as friends here, nor are the women taken by men already. Women like to say they have guy friends, but we all know what that usually means
I may never have access to a woman again. But at least this channel provides constant validation that you have to be crazy to even want access to a woman anymore.
Aside from the money thing, which is valid, guys cant act the same for women they want to have sex with as with ones they don't. Women dont want their guy friends to be dominant and maybe a little dangerous and exciting, but they demand their boyfriends and husbands are that way. But they'll also demand emotional connection, vulnerability, etc, which is the opposite of the dominance thing in a LOT of cases. Point being, it costs more emotionally and psychologically as well to be a good boyfriend than a good friend because we dont have to worry about being so nice to you as a friend that you stop being turned on by us.
Point being - don't give a shit what she wants. She will be pissed you don't give it, but as soon as you do, she will want something else. It's a never ending carrot on a stick - and that is what they really want - too see how much they can manipulate you. It's rarely about the 'thing' they are talking about
omfg a relationship takes time and effort? Count me out! Wait, why am I on 17x anti-depressant medications, in an endless cycle of therapy, and have no friends or bf? I'm an 11/10! - all modern women
It's because as "friends" they get the advantages of having a bf but don't have to hold up their end of being a gf. Male friends typically are still willing to pay for lunch or help them with something or be their emotional tampon. RARELY is the favore ever returned. Unfortunately I know from my simping days.
Dude youre so spot on with these. I aint rich but im smart with money. Women seem to expect me to be spending all this money on them, when none of that actually improves either of our lives in the long run... I own land i wanna build a house on, and these chicks wanna live in a nice new house, but how the hell can we do that if they expect me to spend my money on them rather than invest it for both of us?..
So far around 15000+ views, well received and understood, by men. Sadly, for many women today this imformation will sail straight in one ear and out the other without encountering any resistance what so ever. The tone of the mansplainig voice will cause a fleeting moment of mild irritation, symptomatic of pursed lips, an angry glance and a flick of the head. If required, a tinnitus inducing high frequency squeal can be emitted, ensuring the complete erasure of all auditory data. Fishbowl logic may well be totally impenetrable but Hoemath always puts a smile on me face and a spring in me step. Cheers from New Zealand guys 👋😎🍺
Inflation and taxes is a major destruction in men earnings. Combine that with deindustrialization, globalization, and our debt based currency; things will only go from bad to awful. At the end of the day, I don’t care too much anymore. Her world will die out to make way for our NS world.
It's fine to see men as protectors and providers. Just don't stagnate men's wages because women want to earn equal money, regardless of hours worked, job complexity, danger and discomfort and then complain men aren't as generous as before.
yaya - I hope he has a good personal support system for himself. Coaching and videos like this take a lot out - he needs people to pour back in like we all do.
I remember explaining this to my spoiled ex-wife, who now can't work and didn't realize how good she had it when I was already making enough for her to be a stay at home mom over ten years ago...After a divorce and some more degrees, I make as much as 3x minimum wage, but with the rising minimum wages, inflation, and corporate greed masked as inflation as well, that shrunk. Why women want government control, free shit now at the cost of any future, and relentless immigration is just staggeringly stupefying.
They think that because of the number 19, they can wish away anything they dislike by saying "no" in chorus. And literally no amount of failed attempts will convince them that their method is faulty.
I had a female friend that I had previously dated, it seemed like we got along fine as friends, but sex was the problem when we tried to have a relationship. She'd been with so many guys (78 was the last figure that I got, years before losing touch with her), that only very large men could please her, and when we tried to have a relationship, it was like she was mad at *me* for what she'd done to herself. After I broke things off with her, she called me while she was having sex with a (presumably) large guy, held the phone close to the action so I could hear some wet, sloppy sounds and screamed something like, "Hear that??? That's what real sex is supposed to sound like!!!" She later admitted that this was when she started to get 'addicted' to large men. She also said something else that made it clear that she was having sex with a very well endowed guy at the same time that we were together during that time period, but I don't remember exactly what it was. I'm an above average dude (if the average is 5.5"), I can't imagine what it's like for dudes below, or closer to the average. Pure insanity.
i mean the money is part of it but the other part is when it becomes a relationship, the relationship goes from the guy only being amiable to actually having demands sometimes. when youre friends with a girl if she says she's going to do something stupid you just say "i dont know if thats a good idea but if you want to just go for it" after all, you wont deal with the consequences. however if its your girlfriend, you're actually going to try to stop her.
I think she is pursuing guys way out of her league, and for those guys she is in the ‘sleeper’ or ‘sweeper’ category. If she got with a guy at her level, she’d have no problem.
Probably accurate. Also, the guys that are her friends are not the same guys she is dating. She is acting like it's the same guys transitioning from friends to boyfriends, but most likely her guy friends are permanently stuck in the friend zone and the guys she dates are "chads". There is little or no overlap in those two groups of guys for most women.
This is probably my favorite video that I've ever seen on the subject. In the past 3 years I've had a $6 raise. I'm about to switch to another company that offered me $4 more. That's $10 more in 3 years. I'm STILL not capable of keeping up with this decline. It's insanity that even as I'm accelerating at a pretty solid rate, I can't keep up with the rising costs. And then you factor a woman? Good luck.
I'd love for someone to study what women actually cost. Because every woman I know that is in a relationship say's " I'm contributing"... but my gut feeling is it's all a sham.
Not always. In few rare situations, splitting the bill 50/50 of your accommodation fees help you to save more money each month than being single. However, that requires most of the time that you don't have better income than your GF (otherwise, it will often conducted to a 60/40 or 70/30) or that she is a strong independant woman (cost you more daily mental energy but save money) AND that the monthly entertainment expanses are less than half of the rent/fees. Somehow, this situation is often short, because there is a before (you don't live together so that cost you more to be with her) and an after (the more you commit, the more the entertaining cost increases to avoid the bored effect, pay for wedding, child(s), buy or rent a bigger house and bigger car,...). Hopefully, it's not all about money. Being with a significant other is more important than all the money you can get if she increases some aspect of your life (care, affection, laughing, sharing,...). That's why most men still try to date, even if they lose money in the process.
Check out Aaron Clarey's The Book of Numbers. But on the low end, 2.5 million and 10 million on the high end. That is when you calculate the opportunity costs of pursuing women vs just buying up the S&P 500.
I don’t have a study, I have real life. I have very good records of my finances since I was 20, 61 now. Just looking at my financial picture, I can show when I was dating and when I was single. Additionally, I have been entering decades old checking and credit cards into my electronic register. Again, it is absolutely clear how much more I spend and how many less hours I work. Getting burned on both ends.
"For the love of money (People will lie, rob, they will cheat) For the love of money (People don't care who they hurt or beat) For the love of money (A woman will sell her precious body) For a small piece of paper, it carries a lot of weight..." -The O'Jays
My monthly expenses dropped so much when I broke up with my ex, that I was able to go from working 50+ hours a week to working between 28-32 hours a week.
I don't think it's about money. It's about the bottom 80% of guys who are "friends" because they're deemed not attractive enough, while the hot 20% of guys are not good "boyfriends" because they fuck around.
You kinda missed the point. They're literally less attractive not only because of looks, but also because of money. Like he showed in the graphs, when women earned less then they would go for the average guy, cause they needed him. That no longer being the case makes the average guy even less attractive.
Bingo, it's not about money. This dude derails any topic to serve as a personal psychotherapy session for him to voice his own self-percieved monetary inadequacies. Money isn't that important. I've never had any long term girlfriend cost me anything.
Yeah, the original question is concerning two different groups of men. 1. The men in her friend zone who give her stuff and attention, that she isn’t romantically interested in. 2. The hot men she wants who have lots of girls chasing him, who only give her sexual attention. It would be like saying what’s wrong with all these cats? All these House Cats make great pets, but all these Tigers are horrible pets.
I love how these topics on both sides of the aisle completely ignore the financial destruction of the middle class and how stagnant wages affect this. Instead we gotta have idealogical debates while both parties in congress actively pass laws that harm working class people
You dance around one very clear explanation for the situation in this video. The men that women like in this video pick as "friends" aren't the kind of men that these women pick (or would pick as first choice anyways) for "boyfriends" for various reasons, money is just one among many and almost certainly not even the top.
I was friends with a girl for about 4 fun-filled years... We the dated for about 4 hellish months, which included me discovering that this girl self-medicated with Colombia'a #1 export.
Being her "friend" just means you can be who you are and jist vibe. Being her "boyfriend" means you must satisfy her hypergamy, be cool, take care of her emotionally and monetarily, and dont be too much of yourself or else youre toxic or icky
My ex hated it when I commented that it was a burden for me to plan and pay for dates, but I was happy to bear that burden. You’re just supposed to pretend like it’s not a burden, like it’s just as free and fun for you to pay as it is for her to receive. She made me pay for saying that for the rest of our relationship.
It boils down to expectations. They get some of the benefits of a boyfriend without the expectations if a boyfriend. It's why they use the friend first logic and why they delude themselves into thinking guys who pretend to be their friends are their friends not suitors in disguise.
Been married 20 years. My wife and I got together in 2003 before social media took off and we started off in a studio apartment both making minumum wage. We’re doing a lot better now but money has never been our focus. We’re the same amount of happy as when we first got together, just more of a deeper bond now.
9/10 questions asked by women are rhetorical, and posed solely from spite. Because they're generally *very* mean-spirited people... by also too oversocialized to be direct in expressing their ill-will. Hence: "OH~ so you're saying that [...]???"
9/10 questions they ask are rhetorical, and posed from spite alone. Hence: "OH~ so you're saying [thing you didn't say but sounds biting when said in a shrill tone]???"
@@dadaistaingegniere The problem is? When we build up enough infrastructure... the non-fixers can turn their backs on us, and work in concert to shaft us using social engineering tools. And then behavioral sink kicks in, and like... 2/3 of the world slowly goes full rat city.
If I had a dollar for everytime a girl found me unattractive, I would be attractive.
Damn that's good
lol!
You get found by women?
Maybe you are attractive, because most ladies don't even consider you human.
Ayooo 😂
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Why are men no longer investing in the thing that has skyrocketed in price and nosedived in quality?
This
Hoeflation is real.
We need an instrument to short the hoe bubble
Hoeflation has outpaced regular inflation 10 fold.
@@tenoclock-hc9jd i used to hook up with 8s and 9s over 10 years ago...now im getting 6s telling me im not good enough.
There was a trend last year of dudes posting shorts of them eating in peace with text like “When I go out to eat without my GF and it only costs $15 instead of $350 and an argument” and the comments were always filled with seething girlies.
What kind of a crazy girl would demand 100's being spent on food, that's nuts in our economy. I am surprised at my own sex.
@@alittleofsomething Lots of them. Look up "foodie call". Women who only go out with men for the meal. They will suggest the most expensive restaurants hoping some simp will take them up on it. Remember that Cheese Cake Factory isn't good enough.
@@alittleofsomethingHell man, some woman was saying it should be a grand spent on her. YeH, I laughed too.
@@alittleofsomething The same kind that are too good for the Cheesecake Factory.
@@alittleofsomething two meals, maybe an appetizer, and especially with the addition of a few adult beverages, the meal price can quickly skyrocket even in modest establishments.
I once had a female "friend" who is no longer a friend because she started expecting me to pay to entertain her while she looked for someone else to date.
She's divorced with kids now.
If you're a hot enough dude they'll actually pay for you to keep being their boyfriend. That's the baby daddy phenomenon
@@scottanno8861 Exactly! The crazy part is they will steal money from their provider to give to the guy they actually want.
Same. Repeatedly REJECTED. We were great together. Parents loved me. Too good for her, she said. She died of natural causes. At the funeral people continued to ask me about.’us’. I finally had to take the podium and explain to everyone that she rejected me, we were never dating, and we never had sex. Waste of time. BTW, she was still in love with the guy who died over two decades ago.
@@etITWright Exactly why, if you aren't her alpha, don't waste your time. I knew a woman and we were both in the get married and start a family mentality. However, she was hung up on a guy that only wanted her has a friend. Mutal friends from an older generation couldn't understand why I didn't persue her. I will never persue a woman that is focused on another man. That is just a waste of your time.
Now’s your chance!
We also don't have the benefit of Affirmative Action, like women. They get "equal pay" for doing a lot less work and the last to get fired.
When I was an aircraft mechanic, my employer hired all 3 women who applied no questions asked. They staffed an entire room of "Records" to do simple data entry, just to meet Federal requirements for Affirmative Action. I can't get that job working in the Air Conditioned office, choosing my own hours, having no deadlines, etc. Only women can get that job. And those jobs all take off the top of my paycheck -- we could have replaced all of them with a Python script.
Their jobs were charity.
Their jobs were legally enforced.
It's insane.
As are about 51% of the jobs out here. What, you didn't think they were going to put women on the factory floor after WW2 - no no. Bosses wanted all the women in the office with them to run through a bunch of cheating wives trying to money branch up - while their husband was on the factory floor working with 1 leg blown off. This snowball has been rolling down the mountain for a LONG time.
It's time to change the law
Sounds like its repeal time for the ten and ninth.
As well as an Airplane Mechanic, are you also a Full-Time Thrill Seeker by any chance? 😉👍
"You are stuff we can no longer afford" yes. Exactly.
I’m gonna steal that line the next time a woman asks me why I’m still single.
My girl was the one giving me money. She didn't cost me a penny!
@AutoFirePad that girl was a l0ser with self esteem issues. Nothing to brag about bro
It’s giving: I’m a gold digging 304 e$cort…
Don't be so pessimistic, gentleman. It doesn't cost a thing to be in your Soft Guy era. DD.
They will straight up lie and deny that they cost money
Women lie in general
It isn't just money. When you start a relationship with them they start to attack you. I've seen it happen even to billionaires. They have to test you to see if you're better than all her previous boyfriends and guarantee that you won't let her down.
Facts
@@jamesjonnes That's known in certain circles as a shit test. Well that's _one_ form of shit test, anyway. There's several different types.
And that brings up the subject of the other costs beside money. There's also time and energy.
If I come home from dodging flying salt slag pebbles at the aluminum recycling plant and now we're in a 10-minute argument, that's a cost.
They will argue just to argue, it is their foreplay, why do you think men live shorter lives ?
Women: "stop objectifying us!"
Also women : "where are all the men that give us expensive gifts to just be friends?"
Women to normal guy: Stop staring at me
Women to chad: Hi there, saw you looking. What you doing tonight?
@@WokeismIsMarxism
They literally want to make it so you have to get written permission to *lay eyes on them* (and would 100% vote yes in unison on any law to that effect)... and also say they're open to being approached.
(This is why only people with terrible pattern recog stand up for them.)
@@WokeismIsMarxismGirl.. not Woman. Only Girls act that way.
This is a invariable scene. Life goes 🖍️ on
@@ephraimwinslow Give it 5 years; it'll be illegal to reject them if they do approach.
Side bar: Statistically Women DON'T have to work as hard so they really don't have a clue just how big of an issue this is. Your average guy has to actually work his ass off instead of taking meetings and sipping lattes all frigging day (while creating a toxic work environment i might add) because men aren't hired to fill quotas...we are hired to to do the actual work.
It would be rather dumb to fill up quotas with useless people; my industry is female-dominated btw, so I'm the quota guy.
Lot of female jobs are hanging around in office bossing, chatting and gossipping.
It's hysterical how few of them make the connection between *alotting them a fixed number of jobs in the work force* and CHARITY.
(Spoiler? Companies like to hire people who do the most work. If they were 1/100th as productive as they like to pretend they are? There never would have been a split in the labor force to begin with.)
i've had multiple female coworkers. we do programming stuff remotely/online. they are all very hard working.
on my previous job (offline), some of the girls were hard working, but the rest are just like you guys talked lol.
just to remind you guys theres always the other side.
@@user-yy3ki9rl6i Well, being hard worker is more of a personality thing, but this is more about what is expected of women in workplaces in general. I've seen many kinds as well and hard working non-bossy types are a joy.
Never be the guy that pays for the fun the other guys had.
Awesome point! What a hot guy got is her best and her innocence, all of that for free.
I sucked at being a boyfriend because I was poor. But as it turns out, I met someone who loved me in spite of my poverty, and we've been happily married for over twenty years now. Turns out poverty was a great process for weeding out the gold diggers.
I'm living this. I never tell ladies how much I make. They all assume I'm broke or something. LoL. Gold diggers.
So happy for you! I recently came to this realization
Exactly. This dude derails any topic to serve as a personal psychotherapy session for him to voice his own self-percieved monetary inadequacies. Money isn't that important, at least in my experience. I've never had any long term girlfriend cost me anything. I'm from Europe, so may be a cultural thing. Just don't date gold diggers and problem gone. Or live a sour life like this small person.
@@kentjohnson873 There are two reasons you don't tell people about the money.
A) You have too much
B) You're broke
Everyone assumes the latter, but when they hear the latter, suddenly, every girl goes crazy. I lost a lot of friends there, and she is the reason why, and have no time to mess around.
What has changed in 20 years?
EVERYTHING
Dating was hard mode 10 years ago, now it's nightmare difficulty. (I've attempted to date a few hundred women during these years, succeeded about 5 times)
Also let’s not forget the guys they choose to be “friends” with are usually the guys that don’t get girls. While the guys that they choose to be their boyfriend usually have lots of girls that want him. It’s easy to be okay with being a “bad boyfriend” when you know there is always another one waiting in the wings.
Or they know a lot of girls, but she scared them all away and left the guy alone. I heard she didn't like her bed, and I walked away with the money.
Yea the friend and the boyfriend are not the same person
The answer is that women put effort to get what they want, and no effort to look for what they need.
Men are different, they are ok at not having what they want, as long as they have what they need. Women should stop projecting their issues in men.
💯
They all go after the same men 🤮🤮🤮and they want to get picked🤣🤣🤣they're all sharing and fighting over the same men….
Because forming a friendship is not an activity with a 99.9% failure rate for most guys. Dating is.
aint that the truth
Just put them in the friend zone "I'm just looking for friends, I'm really not intrested in dating unless I come across a special woman."
Making new friends is hard and stupid
Risk mitigation
At least 60% if you add marriage
The short answer is the friend and the boyfriend are not the same dude. Ladies out there expecting 8-10s with multiple side pieces to settle down with them while not looking at themselves and realizing that they're 5-7s on a good day.
This is 100% my experience.
They'd rather be one in a stack of 50 for a 6ft trust-fund kid than be near a guy who has a stable income and loves them unconditionally.
Bro, they're all 10s, ALL OF THEM
@@axiss5840 It kind of makes sense, and men are no different. Would you rather have sex with a totally ugly chick that's a virgin or a gorgeous chick that's slept with 20 men? Exactly.
Ngl I did get someone who is almost universally ranked 8-10 by women, with tons of options, to ask me for commitment. And I'm like a 6. But what I do have is a good personality, a strong work ethic, and high autonomy. A true high value man plans for the future and planning for the future includes seeking emotional compatibility first in an LTR. Of course I am going to try for the best men I can find. So far it's working great.
@@SpecialBlanket You are likely far overrating his attractiveness simply because you find him attractive. I've had many average/below average women say I'm super hot and sexy and others say I'm ugly. He's probably a 5-6....guys that are ' universally attractive ' are VERY rare
I like when one person says "we (women)" to make it sound like it's an epidemic everywhere and not an individual experience. That keeps her from actually evaluating herself.
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This whole channel is a generalization of course... "women this", "women that." Presented as "facts," like math. When the problem is, men want attractive women, and being attractive costs time and money... way more than men will ever realize. (Just go to an ULTA and look at the women there, and the prices.)
When men go for the most attractive women and don't have life experience to judge character, they are bound to end up with someone who is superficial and will expect their boyfriend to put in time and money to be loved, just like they constantly put in time and money to be loved. Then men complain that is a universal experience, rather than evaluating themselves and their own choices.
@@MeowImages Bro most people DO NOT need a blue eye shadow extra long eye lash full foundation blended girl at all ever lol.
Yall do that ish for the dudes YALL want not for all men everywhere.
Its ironic that the same chicks that say that men do it to themselves are the same chicks that, who woulda thought
DO IT TO THEMSELVES trying to get with the super fit double sleeve tattoo'd super interesting guy that already has like 30 side pieces lol.
I think channels like this are really harmful, as they make young men blame everything on society/women/external factors and make them feel hopeless, instead of encouraging some self-searching and personal growth.
@@MeowImages So, your whole point was to be angry about generalizations you've heard about women, to then make generalizations about men. All it sounds like to me is that you're on "team women".
Because friends dont have insane expectations of each other
Yep. That was my first thought. Women expect much more from a boyfriend, so there are more expectations to disappoint.
this x1000.
And probably by "good boyfriend" she means 'someone who doesn't give up on me when I'm difficult on purpose specifically to see if he'll give up on me"
So glad you asked! It's you.
It is pure vertigo going from: really liking women from afar, and trying to get closer to them with kindness... to actually starting to get how they think & act, and having to put in real work just to tolerate them at all.
Seriously, Al Bundy/Patrice O'Neal kinda nailed it. Once you understand them? You stop liking them the same day.
(And you know it's understanding, 'cuz the point when they start doing a tapdance on your last nerve is also the point when you start being able to predict their reactions/etc. with startling accuracy.)
@@ephraimwinslow All part of growing up: The realization that many of your sports heroes are truly vile people and the leagues themselves are rigged, the government does not have your best interests at heart and only serve a small fraction of wealthy interests, movies and tv shows are indeed "programming", most popular food and drink is poison, and yes, the "fairer sex" is not really all that fair.
All that being said, there is still so much beauty to enjoy in this life - if you're willing to look for and recognize it. Marcus Aurelius said, "Don't be overheard complaining....not even to yourself" - so make the best with what you have and understand that it can always be worse.
Be well, men.
Also why pay for something so many guys in her past got for free?
@@ZelenoJabko
...'Cuz she's not a very good salesman, but really wants to make a profit?
(That's the honest internal monologue at play.)
In 2024 with women on average making almost exactly what men do there’s zero reason for us to continue to give them money as they give us less than less in return. This is insane.
In America since all women have minority status they get the benefit of affirmative action laws and dei. The average single woman is making more than the average single man, and it's been this way for a while.
Urban woman already are making more than urban men.
Women make more from 20-30 now.
@1Plebeian Not now, they started making more in the early 2000s. The difference is that they don't stick with their jobs.
@@thystaff742 it's changed back again? Look it up. It happened that in developed cities, women out earn men until 30+.
Once I started thinking about my boyfriend as if he was my best friend, I started feeling much better about our relationship. I try my best to filter out whatever nonsense people say your boyfriend should be doing for you, cuz it really comes from everyone. Even my friends "oh did your bf take u out this day" "did he get you a nice gift" or when I say I'm saving for something "why doesn't your bf just buy it for you" don't get me wrong I still have expectations, but that's more along the lines of loyalty and mutual respect.
Thanks for that. Good to know that some unicorns exist. I see this with my girlfriend. She doesn't have high expectations for things related to money compared to most other women I've dated, but her friends, family, and coworkers are constantly asking her what I did for X, or what I bought her for Y, or where I took her for Z. It's relentless. What none of them understand/know, is I make huge sacrifices for her that even she is not always aware of (because she would feel guilty and insist I don't do it). I also, don't buy her things based on some schedule of holidays. I prefer to buy her things randomly/when she needs them or to solve problems in her life to make things easier for her. That rarely corresponds with a holiday, but it is usually far more expensive than buying some cliche trinket because...scheduled holiday time. As a result, a few of her friends/coworkers think I'm a loser boyfriend and they pretty much tell her that. I just ignore it and thankfully she mostly does too, but it's kind of frustrating. I'm not looking for kudos, but I don't like being painted as the villain either.
Next time just ask them, "Why don't you buy it for me? You say you are my friend - friends do nice things for one another. Are you not my friend?"
Do your male friends say this, or is it really only your female friends?
It's ironic, because having a woman expecting a bunch of stuff from me makes me not want to do it. And even if I do it doesn't feel heartfelt but like I'm just fulfilling her expectations. Then she would get mad like I didn't care or wouldn't make an effort with her. Never again.
....That's all you gonna do 🤷🏽♂️
She doesn't care about your facts HoeMath. In fact, she can easily ignore everything you just said and then cry because you're so mean and don't care about her happiness.
I swear to you, going full misogyhonest feels like using a game genie code.
"YOU'RE SO MEAN TO ME~"
"Yes, and?"
NONE of them know how to react. Not one. It's like coming at them with a foreign language.
@@ephraimwinslow "misogyhonest" - you Sir, are a genius.
She’s call him an insecure Narcissist Bully who is controlling her and then change the subject
Fefails gonna fefail☕
I love your sarcastic tone in this😂
It's not sarcasm as much as it is parentese. He's talking to them as if they have the mental capacity of 5 year olds because they do.
@@Cybertech134”parentese” rofl. I had to read that twice before my brain clicked in. Love it!
His gf that he was singing praises about apparently left him because he isn't making enough money so one can only think that this came from a very deep personal place too
sounds like mr math is speaking from recent experience (watch his last livestream for reference)
@@DC-ol3ws oh wow. I love his channel but I guessed I’ve missed references to his GF. It did sound extra spicy today!
I yearn for the day when my firm's DEI team stops telling me how horrible I am for being born a certain way, and also for the day the government stops debasing my currency.
I laughed at this. And then I cried.
^^^^Well if only someone knew who was responsible.. hmmmm
LOL DEI is such a joke. We once had a big DEI event at my work. I show up and I see only asians in the room. They’ve grouped us into categories for the sake of diversity.
How does that make sense LOL
@@Henryfordisright Can't point my finger at ((it)) hmmm
It will never happen. A government is nothing more than bandits under another name.
My first answer was hypergamy. Was not disappointed.
Well yeah you're right on that too
the answer is always hypergamy
Yeah it's interesting to notice how stress free things are when all you need from each other is pleasant company, and noone is trying to constantly negotiate for a better deal.
Now that's a good one 👏
"Did it pay enough? Me neither"
This single statement is so funny yet completely elusive to the woman's experience that it makes me laugh harder then it should
Didn't you prefer a bear over us? Let's be just friends then what's the problem??
Also, i thought it was *their* choice to be single.
@@lyianx Schrodinger's feminist.
It's their choice, unless being a victim with no choice would get her more attention.
They start with these questions at 30+ and start getting desperate when attention from Chads dwindle lol
yeah suddenly they're wondering where the good men went again.
The bears watch Hoe_Math too so they knew better than to pick up 304s.
The magic money printer somehow also steals wealth from everyone. Amazing.
That's the magic!
That's the trick that magicians don't want you to know.
and it's used to help someone else, not you. and all you can do is watch and wait to vote someone who you hope won't do that
@@asura8495 Which will never happen.
Not from everyone.
It's more than just money, their behavior is part of it too.
"If you can't handle me at my worst..."
@@BackyardDogPark9862 "If you can't handle her at her worst..." then cuddle cute dogs?
It's not a money thing. They friendzone the good guys and date the fkboys, so she gets the results she chose
It's stressful. And that's expensive for your brain. You're not only losing money, but brain cells and your overall health.
@@theeclectic2919 Exactly! The amount of time, energy, & effort that the average man has to put into a relationship. Much less above average man. For a woman that could easily abort his child whenever she feels like it, or convince him that it's even his in the first place. And she could still always leave him at any time & take half or more? Simply is not worth it. Women in general are a horrible investment for a man. At least if men had rights it would make sense. But to bust your balls that hard for them with no love or appreciation back is just frustrating.
"We need Answers!" - Most Women
Translation:
"We want 'answers' that don't hold us (women) accountable!" - Most Women
Alternate translation: "We're too stupid to figure out the basics for ourselves".
It's hard to treat a woman like a queen on a peasant's salary.
Beta bob simps do that, it’s 2024: EQUALITY
Don't do that bro. Never go beyond what you can maintain. If she leaves, she would eventually leave anyway.
Shit, hoe_math went full savage mode on this one
He's not in a relationship anymore so he is back to normal.
@@johnsmith4900serious or nah?
@@SnakeEyes.MP4 Yes they broke up
@@johnsmith4900 fuuuckkk
@@johnsmith4900lmao what, spill the deets
If your customer is not paying you enough, maybe your product is bad.
2:50 "Women seem not to understand that they cost money". Exactly
Once you combine that with the juice not being worth the squeeze, it is a clear disincentive to participate. My mother used to clip coupons all the time to make my father's income stretch as far as possible. She valued his income and did not want to waste it. My father valued my mother's time and did not want to waste that either. If we made a mess we had to clean it up, since our mother was 'not our maid'. These days it is about what level a man can keep you at. We cannot keep you.
I hear women say, "I do not want to work, I want to be a housewife." You would not last 10 minutes as a housewife. Ever try to take care of a three bedroom house with two kids under the age of three, prepare three meals a day, keep up with the laundry, shop for everything the family needs? It's not eating bon-bons on a sofa watching daytime television. It is a ton of work, and the only benefit is you are your own boss. You will not get two hours to put on make-up.
A professional strumpet is less expensive, provides more and gives more, brings less stress and drama and is all around a way better arrangement for both parties.
@@spowers3298 South Park said it best, you dont pay them to be with you, you pay them to go away after.
and you can tell them to shut up if you ain't feeling like listening to them blabbing on and on
Yup, I've been MGTOW since caught my wife f'ing my friend and still cost me 500k, my house, my car and 1100/mth child support. So, time to time now I just pay for a high end one. Its about same price as 2 dates and you KNOW your getting what you paid for
Strumpet? You mean a ho?
And you can choose different flavors whenever the mood strikes!
I went to high school prom my sophomore, junior, and senior years, and each time afterwards I found myself comparing what I could have bought with the money I spent on prom, and regretting that I didn't spend my money more wisely. Now I'm over 40 and live alone with a bunch of dogs and endless DIY projects, and I've never been happier.
Endless DYI projects : sounds relentless but makes sense.
@@TarpeianRock That's just specific to me, since it's what I love most. A more general phrasing would have been "endless amounts of doing exactly what you love most." :-)
Stop lying to yourself, because we aren’t buying it.
@@Sakattack2023if that’s what makes him happy, then I don’t think it’s cope if he really is just truly happy with himself 🤷🏼♂️
@@BackyardDogPark9862 Sounds like huge cope. Completely over for you and your gay dogs.
We don't suck. Herero sexual divorce rates and lesbian divorce rates are, over time, approaching equality. Gay men, OTOH, get divorced one-half as much. I believe the reason is that men, more so than women, emotionally invest in the partnership. A full 60% of men consider their wife to be their best friend. Only 30% of wives invest that same energy. Something else interesting is all the women who talk about 'divorcing the good guy' because they were BORED with him and their life wasn't exciting anymore. Well, the men, probably, aren't any more excited but are content whereas you're not. Consequently, I think, ladies, the issue is more on your side than our side.
You're so close to getting it.
(Spoiler? Those "emotional needs" they talk about? Yeah, they're identical to the emotional needs of any randomly selected 13 year old. Said items being: more, and now.)
That's actually pretty fucking profound, you know? It never really occurred to me (I'm old, gay people just got the right to be married like a year or two ago, right?) to compare hetero- and homo-sexual divorce rates! It's brilliant! And hilarious.
I'm not even _slightly_ surprised that two men would stay together twice as often as a woman and... Anyone.
I'm also not even slightly surprised that you don't hear about these numbers on the news.
Do you have any links to numbers on this?
@@MyName-tb9oz
The insanely fickle stats on F/F relationships have been an open secret for a while now.
It won't be hard to dig up the top ten hits on that hilariously enlightening rabbit hole.
I usually go with, "six-year-old," when I'm speaking of their emotional maturity, @@ephraimwinslow.
My daughter being an exception to that. She's only in her 20s and she's giving some consideration to growing up and being an adult.
@@ephraimwinslow As a single father who raised two daughters (about a year apart) - this is exactly true. I would date 30/40 y.o women with kids of their own who acted, spoke, thought the same or WORSE than hormonal tween girls. That's when I gave up on dating women - nothing but children.
Having a long term girlfriend or getting married is probably the single most financially costly thing the average man under age forty can do. If you have children and she decides to leave for any random reason, you are then eighteen years a slave to child support and family court proceedings. That’s the answer. This video is super based. Well done brother!
I'll add a caveat. Investing money into a woman is suboptimal when she can just leave you at any time, for any reason.
Just buy them *cat food.*
So true, "women are stuff that costs money"
Keep in mind an important fact. Men have always earned more, even now with redistribution of wealth. But women always did the bulk of household spending. And, even to this day, men pay 2/3 of federal taxes.
It’s giving “you’re an e$cort”
@@TheBelrick My Fiance is erning above avarage, I do 2 times avarage. So we're in top 10% hauseholds. I'm paying 75% of bills, and still manage to save around 10% of my salary. She is constantly on 0 at the end of the month. This shit is expensive. And I have absolute no idea how it is possible.
@@marcinlachowski5832 Stop being a simp and leave her. You can do beter than this, bruv.
@@BorisEysbroek chill man :) she still adds 25% to the bills and do not demand extra cash for personal expenses. So her presence is net positive in finance. this 25% is more than the minimal wage.
If you take a wider perspective its not so bad.
What I meant, is that even succesfull ladies barely manage to afford themselves :D
Average man gang about to (re)take the world by storm! Thanks hoemath!
Good luck with that
Avg. F: "Man up!"
Avg. M: "What's in it for us?"
Avg. F: "Incels!"
Avg. M: "We're done here. Good luck girl bossing your way past Islam.
More like THEY will send you off to w4r THEY create, for you to d1e.
I feel like it's less us taking over the world, and more of us letting it fall apart.
What is it that you want? As a gen Xer I'm trying to understand what the average man wants?
As friends, women are emotionally taxing...
As coworkers, women are mentally taxing...
As girlfriends, women are emotionally, mentally, and financially taxing...
As wives, women are emotionally, mentally, financially, and spiritually taxing...
There's a resounding theme here.
taxes.
Also friends will talk to you when there is something wrong, my friends generally don't expect me to read their mind regarding something bothering them, they just tell me.
I had female friends always try to get me to pay for their shit. I stopped talking to them completely.
Not sure it's all about money. Tbh I don't even know where to find "normal" girls. All I want is someone that won't make my life worse. Which is a lot to ask if you're a guy.
Sadly I don't think it's possible anymore
Good luck with that buddy.
"Not sure it's all about money"
It's a strong reason, though.
A thing i jeep sayng Its that theres no real women that Will benefit you. The best women Will not bê a detriment tô your life, while most of then you bê in fact a Net negative.
A lot of people no longer understand the difference between husband/wife relationships vs boyfriend/girlfriend relationships.
A dude does not deserve sex unless that woman is married to him. Likewise, girlfriends do not deserve husband privileges (I.e.: special dinners, jewelry etc.) that is saved for a wife.
So true 👍
Friends have been asking Me (M55) for 15 years why I'm single, and I always answered the same way
"I can't afford a GF"😂
They always assumed I was joking,
I really wasn't!
52 M here and in the same boat with you!
@@BMillTN847 It's almost as if this has been going on for decades... hmm...
56 M here. I don't think I can afford one either.
I could afford a women that has a job and did not have a crazy amount of debts but it is the ending part that would ruin me , cause nothing is forever , especially now and if you had kid(s)...well you are more then broke, you are in the streets or worse.
Yeah yeah, it self defeating thoughts, used to be less cynical but life will you that to you.
Reddit poster spotted
The extra sass in his voice today was hilarious x'D
The extra sass is actually sad because it's used as a narcissistic mask to protect against the authors self-percieved monetary inadequacies.
Not sass, he's just explaining in a way and tone so that it can be understood by people with the mental capacity of a 5 year old, aka women.
His gf very recently left him because she is not happy with the amount of money he is making, by his own admission. ofcourse he was extra sassy today...the video topic hits a bit too close to home
I bet his girlfriend dumped him.
@@DC-ol3ws He's a fairly famous UA-camr with a popular channel , books t-shirts etc. He must make at least a decent amount, no?
Women are a wealthy man's privilege these days. My divorce was 11 years ago (10 year relationship killed by hypergamy). I was 40 yrs old at the time and decided I was done dating. Will not risk my time, energy and resources to another relationship. Now I'm off blood pressure meds, actually have money in savings and a nice 1br apartment. But I'm 51 now and it will take you younger guys time to reach a point where you too can say, "the juice is not worth the squeeze".
Women don't actively look for reasons thier friends aren't good enough for the rest of your friendship.
Men look for reasons to stay while women look for reasons to leave.
This doesn't apply to Europe.
I (25 yo male with a good income) live in Germany and my girlfriend who is still a student and earns 25% of what I make in a month, always split our bill 50/50. All of my friends who are in relationships do the same. Women who expect to be paid for, are seen here to be at least weird or a in the worst case a prostitute.
Just split it 50/50. Equal rights, equal pay and equally splitting the bill.
German myself and can confirm. But we are always some decades behind the USA and we always follow their trends.
25 yrs ago me and some gamers did the math youll save almost 400k over a lifetime renting what you want from a woman vs marrying one . thought the math was sketch i no longer think that i now know its probably 600k now.
What did you guys take into account? just curious
You should take into account inflation and triple that.
Lmao
Let's not forget we're all still paying for those single moms with our tax dollars.
So gov't is basically charging every working man alimony and child support forever.
Do we pay because they hate us? or do they hate us because we pay?
To be fair, it's charging working women, too.
@@NemisCassander
Yeah but the term "working" in that title requires airquotes.
(Attending meetings and repeating jargon is not work. It's just what women naturally do in absentia of chores.)
@@vivienneb6199
Because you literally lined up around the block for them to hit + quit raw on the basis of tattoos and machismo.
Mystery solved, have another wine glass.
@@vivienneb6199
Because you and your sisters lined up around the block for them to plough like rented fields 'cuz they have tattoos and big shoulders.
(Did you forget about that part?)
@NemisCassander Yes, but women are far and away the main beneficiaries of gov't assistance and child support. It's one thing to help people with disabilities or down on their luck, it's another to support generation after generation of single mothers who get paid to have more children while separating them from their fathers.
"You are stuff that we are no longer able to afford.". Well said, my friend, well said. Plus, who wants to pay premium bakery prices for an expired, moldy & crusty loaf of bread with 40 'sample bites' taken out of it?
Your videos are so chill, always brightens my day
Sarcasm?
There are better ways to spend money on other than bikinis, ma'am
It's a bot
"I've had a lot of female friends. Know what the difference is? Number 1, we don't f*ck" 😂
What's the point of having a female friend then?
@@FuelAirSparkTime Waiting and hoping for a f*ck while she makes you wait and hope, but at the same time she is nice to you to get some free male attention, compliments and gifts. 🤷♂️
@@FuelAirSparkTime This is the sort of sentiment that shows you probably shouldn't have a relationship, or a partner yet.
@tumultoustortellini I've had plenty. But thanks for your useless comment. In my experience, girl 'friends ' either don't stay that way, or there's usually more value in spending the same time with a dude I get along with. Co workers aren't counting as friends here, nor are the women taken by men already. Women like to say they have guy friends, but we all know what that usually means
As friends, women are easy to like and hard to leave. As girlfriends,women are hard to like and easy to leave.
I may never have access to a woman again. But at least this channel provides constant validation that you have to be crazy to even want access to a woman anymore.
Esc0rts bro
@@crepusculey863 Ain't it the truth. Everything they demand makes everything a transaction anyway.
I don't think that's what he is saying 😂
Aside from the money thing, which is valid, guys cant act the same for women they want to have sex with as with ones they don't. Women dont want their guy friends to be dominant and maybe a little dangerous and exciting, but they demand their boyfriends and husbands are that way. But they'll also demand emotional connection, vulnerability, etc, which is the opposite of the dominance thing in a LOT of cases.
Point being, it costs more emotionally and psychologically as well to be a good boyfriend than a good friend because we dont have to worry about being so nice to you as a friend that you stop being turned on by us.
Point being - don't give a shit what she wants. She will be pissed you don't give it, but as soon as you do, she will want something else. It's a never ending carrot on a stick - and that is what they really want - too see how much they can manipulate you. It's rarely about the 'thing' they are talking about
omfg a relationship takes time and effort? Count me out! Wait, why am I on 17x anti-depressant medications, in an endless cycle of therapy, and have no friends or bf? I'm an 11/10!
- all modern women
It's funny how they consider themselves to be equal to men yet they need anti-depressants just to go to work, lol.
It's because as "friends" they get the advantages of having a bf but don't have to hold up their end of being a gf. Male friends typically are still willing to pay for lunch or help them with something or be their emotional tampon. RARELY is the favore ever returned. Unfortunately I know from my simping days.
Women: "Just be yourself."
Also Women: "No, not like that. Change everything there is to change about you."
🙄
Also women: "You're not the same man I fell in love with. I'm breaking up."
Women befriend one type of guys, but dates a completely different type.
One type treats them well, the other doesn't.
She answers her own question.
This went right over every woman's head.
(Not really. But they know how to act like it did)
Yeap.
They're just voting "no" on a reality they don't like the sound of, and playing dumb as cover for their gaslight.
Dude youre so spot on with these. I aint rich but im smart with money. Women seem to expect me to be spending all this money on them, when none of that actually improves either of our lives in the long run...
I own land i wanna build a house on, and these chicks wanna live in a nice new house, but how the hell can we do that if they expect me to spend my money on them rather than invest it for both of us?..
So far around 15000+ views, well received and understood, by men. Sadly, for many women today this imformation will sail straight in one ear and out the other without encountering any resistance what so ever. The tone of the mansplainig voice will cause a fleeting moment of mild irritation, symptomatic of pursed lips, an angry glance and a flick of the head. If required, a tinnitus inducing high frequency squeal can be emitted, ensuring the complete erasure of all auditory data. Fishbowl logic may well be totally impenetrable but Hoemath always puts a smile on me face and a spring in me step. Cheers from New Zealand guys 👋😎🍺
Inflation and taxes is a major destruction in men earnings. Combine that with deindustrialization, globalization, and our debt based currency; things will only go from bad to awful.
At the end of the day, I don’t care too much anymore. Her world will die out to make way for our NS world.
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You can't go wrong with the 3 Bs...
Beans,
Bullets,
and Bog-roll!
I love the Whitepills in this comment section.
NS world?
Well said alex
Men are expected to be resource creators and providers, while women are expected to be resource extractors. Just, look at the Jetson's intro.
if you dont like men paying for women, then you like feminism.
if you like men paying for women, then you like patriarchy.
I didn't even peep that till I got older. Crazy how cartoons lowkey tried giving out warnings
It's fine to see men as protectors and providers.
Just don't stagnate men's wages because women want to earn equal money, regardless of hours worked, job complexity, danger and discomfort and then complain men aren't as generous as before.
@@coreyondavis6032 and remember that was created over 50 years ago. Jane also had Rosie to do the work along with other robots.
Media gave out tons of warnings of this. Society just kept saying "Ignore that, women are like this instead"
@hoe_math - Never lose humor, sass, sarcasm, or hope. Good to have you back, swinging hard.
Thanks for another great video Mr Math.
2:53 - "Women seem not to understand that they cost money."
Realest quote ever
they dont care*
Glad you could vent brother
yaya - I hope he has a good personal support system for himself. Coaching and videos like this take a lot out - he needs people to pour back in like we all do.
And even if you give her the world, she will fall for something she finds in the trashcan...
I remember explaining this to my spoiled ex-wife, who now can't work and didn't realize how good she had it when I was already making enough for her to be a stay at home mom over ten years ago...After a divorce and some more degrees, I make as much as 3x minimum wage, but with the rising minimum wages, inflation, and corporate greed masked as inflation as well, that shrunk. Why women want government control, free shit now at the cost of any future, and relentless immigration is just staggeringly stupefying.
Because they are told that's what good people want, and they are told they want to be good people.
The 19th convinced them that they could vote away anything they don't like, as long as they're all reading from the same script.
Ta-daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
They think that because of the number 19, they can wish away anything they dislike by saying "no" in chorus.
And literally no amount of failed attempts will convince them that their method is faulty.
No it's not. They get our money, still, but they don't need to stay in relationships with us. It's win-win-win for them and lose-lose-lose for us.
i quit explaining sth to them, all are in a f delusion
I had a female friend that I had previously dated, it seemed like we got along fine as friends, but sex was the problem when we tried to have a relationship. She'd been with so many guys (78 was the last figure that I got, years before losing touch with her), that only very large men could please her, and when we tried to have a relationship, it was like she was mad at *me* for what she'd done to herself. After I broke things off with her, she called me while she was having sex with a (presumably) large guy, held the phone close to the action so I could hear some wet, sloppy sounds and screamed something like, "Hear that??? That's what real sex is supposed to sound like!!!"
She later admitted that this was when she started to get 'addicted' to large men. She also said something else that made it clear that she was having sex with a very well endowed guy at the same time that we were together during that time period, but I don't remember exactly what it was.
I'm an above average dude (if the average is 5.5"), I can't imagine what it's like for dudes below, or closer to the average.
Pure insanity.
No reply lemme fix that
78? My cringe just made me sterile.
absolutely vile
That’s absolutely vile 😢
"women seem not to understand that they cost money." gold
i mean the money is part of it but the other part is when it becomes a relationship, the relationship goes from the guy only being amiable to actually having demands sometimes.
when youre friends with a girl if she says she's going to do something stupid you just say "i dont know if thats a good idea but if you want to just go for it" after all, you wont deal with the consequences. however if its your girlfriend, you're actually going to try to stop her.
I'm a woman and I genuinely adore this. It's great to have clarification. Great video.
I think she is pursuing guys way out of her league, and for those guys she is in the ‘sleeper’ or ‘sweeper’ category. If she got with a guy at her level, she’d have no problem.
Probably accurate. Also, the guys that are her friends are not the same guys she is dating. She is acting like it's the same guys transitioning from friends to boyfriends, but most likely her guy friends are permanently stuck in the friend zone and the guys she dates are "chads". There is little or no overlap in those two groups of guys for most women.
A guy on her level? But she's feels like a 10. She's entitled to Chads only.
This is probably my favorite video that I've ever seen on the subject. In the past 3 years I've had a $6 raise. I'm about to switch to another company that offered me $4 more. That's $10 more in 3 years. I'm STILL not capable of keeping up with this decline. It's insanity that even as I'm accelerating at a pretty solid rate, I can't keep up with the rising costs. And then you factor a woman? Good luck.
I'm so glad this situation will go on forever and the people responsible don't have names, addresses and families. I love society!
I'd love for someone to study what women actually cost. Because every woman I know that is in a relationship say's " I'm contributing"... but my gut feeling is it's all a sham.
Not always. In few rare situations, splitting the bill 50/50 of your accommodation fees help you to save more money each month than being single. However, that requires most of the time that you don't have better income than your GF (otherwise, it will often conducted to a 60/40 or 70/30) or that she is a strong independant woman (cost you more daily mental energy but save money) AND that the monthly entertainment expanses are less than half of the rent/fees. Somehow, this situation is often short, because there is a before (you don't live together so that cost you more to be with her) and an after (the more you commit, the more the entertaining cost increases to avoid the bored effect, pay for wedding, child(s), buy or rent a bigger house and bigger car,...).
Hopefully, it's not all about money. Being with a significant other is more important than all the money you can get if she increases some aspect of your life (care, affection, laughing, sharing,...). That's why most men still try to date, even if they lose money in the process.
Check out Aaron Clarey's The Book of Numbers.
But on the low end, 2.5 million and 10 million on the high end. That is when you calculate the opportunity costs of pursuing women vs just buying up the S&P 500.
I don’t have a study, I have real life. I have very good records of my finances since I was 20, 61 now. Just looking at my financial picture, I can show when I was dating and when I was single. Additionally, I have been entering decades old checking and credit cards into my electronic register. Again, it is absolutely clear how much more I spend and how many less hours I work. Getting burned on both ends.
"For the love of money (People will lie, rob, they will cheat)
For the love of money (People don't care who they hurt or beat)
For the love of money (A woman will sell her precious body)
For a small piece of paper, it carries a lot of weight..."
-The O'Jays
My monthly expenses dropped so much when I broke up with my ex, that I was able to go from working 50+ hours a week to working between 28-32 hours a week.
Good friend but suck at being boyfriends - that's easy : YOUR expectations
I don't think it's about money. It's about the bottom 80% of guys who are "friends" because they're deemed not attractive enough, while the hot 20% of guys are not good "boyfriends" because they fuck around.
You kinda missed the point. They're literally less attractive not only because of looks, but also because of money. Like he showed in the graphs, when women earned less then they would go for the average guy, cause they needed him. That no longer being the case makes the average guy even less attractive.
Bingo, it's not about money. This dude derails any topic to serve as a personal psychotherapy session for him to voice his own self-percieved monetary inadequacies. Money isn't that important. I've never had any long term girlfriend cost me anything.
@@sergeretaj907 im pretty sure his gf left him over money. Maybe its not something you have experienced, but you are just one person.
Yeah, the original question is concerning two different groups of men.
1. The men in her friend zone who give her stuff and attention, that she isn’t romantically interested in.
2. The hot men she wants who have lots of girls chasing him, who only give her sexual attention.
It would be like saying what’s wrong with all these cats? All these House Cats make great pets, but all these Tigers are horrible pets.
@@filmbuff4
Wait, his brand new one he showed off once in a video?
I love how these topics on both sides of the aisle completely ignore the financial destruction of the middle class and how stagnant wages affect this. Instead we gotta have idealogical debates while both parties in congress actively pass laws that harm working class people
You dance around one very clear explanation for the situation in this video. The men that women like in this video pick as "friends" aren't the kind of men that these women pick (or would pick as first choice anyways) for "boyfriends" for various reasons, money is just one among many and almost certainly not even the top.
I've never felt like I was being compared to the selectively best aspects of any of my friend's past friends and always found wanting.
The rarest of women do not ask for things other than your time (which does cost but it is well worth it.) I am very lucky to have found one like that.
I was friends with a girl for about 4 fun-filled years...
We the dated for about 4 hellish months, which included me discovering that this girl self-medicated with Colombia'a #1 export.
thf did you not see that crap the previous 4 years?
Damn, oil therapy sounds crazy
And she didn't share? She never sang "Do you want to build a snowman?" That's awful!
@@vaevictis2789 It's all the rage at Harkonnen Spa
Petroleum is Colombia's main export, representing over 45% of Colombia's exports.
Being her "friend" just means you can be who you are and jist vibe. Being her "boyfriend" means you must satisfy her hypergamy, be cool, take care of her emotionally and monetarily, and dont be too much of yourself or else youre toxic or icky
Dangerously Based.
I'm risking my life here
@@hoe_math It's risky business telling the truth. I know a guy that got (literally) crucified for doing that. Watch your six brother!
We gotta talk to them they're children so they could understand. It's crazy.
My ex hated it when I commented that it was a burden for me to plan and pay for dates, but I was happy to bear that burden.
You’re just supposed to pretend like it’s not a burden, like it’s just as free and fun for you to pay as it is for her to receive.
She made me pay for saying that for the rest of our relationship.
"why aren't you more open with your emotions?"
lol
100% as normal
It boils down to expectations. They get some of the benefits of a boyfriend without the expectations if a boyfriend. It's why they use the friend first logic and why they delude themselves into thinking guys who pretend to be their friends are their friends not suitors in disguise.
I call them lovesick or lustsick puppies except they are not as cute as real puppies.
This dude is Einstein of General Relationship Theory
You are a brilliant young man.
I pray more and more men and women see your work.
God bless.
Been married 20 years. My wife and I got together in 2003 before social media took off and we started off in a studio apartment both making minumum wage. We’re doing a lot better now but money has never been our focus. We’re the same amount of happy as when we first got together, just more of a deeper bond now.
A woman that gauges her relationship by money can't be a good girlfriend.
You're not supposed to actually answer/give solutions! Why are you always trying to fix things?
Cuz logic is toxic where is my wild safety grizzly bear you... MAN!!
9/10 questions asked by women are rhetorical, and posed solely from spite.
Because they're generally *very* mean-spirited people... by also too oversocialized to be direct in expressing their ill-will. Hence:
"OH~ so you're saying that [...]???"
9/10 questions they ask are rhetorical, and posed from spite alone.
Hence:
"OH~ so you're saying [thing you didn't say but sounds biting when said in a shrill tone]???"
Cuz men fix things. That's our job.
@@dadaistaingegniere
The problem is? When we build up enough infrastructure... the non-fixers can turn their backs on us, and work in concert to shaft us using social engineering tools.
And then behavioral sink kicks in, and like... 2/3 of the world slowly goes full rat city.