I did own two carrier infinity units. One was a 3 ton and the other was a 2 ton. I had the 2 ton replaced (did not replace with another Infinity). When they work, they are great! But when they need repairs.....get ready$$$$$$$. Even if it's under warranty.
Running Carrier 2 ton 13 seer basic model. Installed in 2022. Keeps 68 degrees on the hottest days in the Rockies. Humidity is kept at 40 to 50% range. Added monthly cost to electric bill is $20 - $30. On the heat side, Carrier Performance 60BTU installed in 2017. Natural gas in winter months is 50 to 80 dollars a month guided by weather. I do my own maintenance on both units. Highly recommend.
It’s all fine and good when it’s all working the way it’s suppose to. All that electronics can be a BIG Headache to diagnose a fix along with big money 💵 💰 after the warranty is up! I’ll keep my 1995 Carrier with the meat locker feel regardless how loud it is.
@@ronsteffes1155I’ll take less efficiency for reliability and performance. My 97 Comfortmaker 5 ton can hold 68 degrees even when it’s 110 out. Family members with new units can’t come close to that.
Definitely continues to not feel humid in the house even though it's wet and hot outside. Probably my house is using around 30kwh per day. Might be similar to what it was before if not slightly lower but again feels a lot cooler and less humid so worth the consumed energy.
Dave, we are looking at buying the carrier infinity 19 seer. Do you have to have the carrier infinity furnace to make this work the way it is supposed to. I have had one carrier salesman tell me I had to replace the furnace and ac to get the infinity because without the coordinating infinity furnace it would not be able to communicate with my older furnaces' blower fan. Another told me I could get this and use my current furnace but then the Infinity only would work as a 2 stage AC and not a 5 stage until I eventually add the compatible communicating infinity furnace. What furnace are you running with your new infinity AC?
OVERPRICED, my A/C company quoted me $18k for a new Carrier infinity system-I laughed,, I just ordered a Daikin Fit for $12k from another company!! A superior and quieter system.
I don't know what city you're in, but if you have heat waves is it able to keep up to your set temperature? How does it compare to your old unit on really hot days?
@@ifeelsoalive we did have some abnormal hot days and you wouldn't know it by being in our house. Everyone complained with the old ac that it got hot and humid. Doesn't happen anymore.
How are you liking it so far since we are in the dead middle Of Summer 2024? Worth the costs? I'm up for an upgrade and I'm debating between the carrier Performance 2 stage and the Carrier Infinity model. The price difference is almost double the price. Please give me your input on why you got the Infinity over the Performance model.
What are you being quoted? My single stage ac cooled the house fine but humidity levels kept increasing and I couldn't lower them. The minute the ac turned off it felt hot. A two stage could probably have done the trick. I would have killed myself if it didn't. So might as well get the best and not worry about what ifs.
@davewelike im in central florida and I was quoted for a 4 ton 2 stage outside and variable air handler carrier brand for $8,600. The carrier infinity 4 ton variable outside and variable air handler was $15,000 (NOT greenspeed). I'm weighing the benefit over cost of the Infinity system. I have a 4000 sq foot two story house. Nothing is wrong with current 4 ton system. And I have 2 units for the whole house. A 3 ton for downstairs and a 4 ton for upstairs. Just trying to get more comfort and energy savings. I'm not sure if I will get the energy savings because regardless I'm running the ac. It's just if it's variable speed then it will pull less voltage. Lmk what you think.
Now that the summer is over, did you get any new updates you want to share? Are you happy with your choice? Would you still recommend getting it? How’s your cost? Any problems so far? The maintenance/service? Let us know. Thx
@@krufka My peak energy usage was lower compared to last year even with adding now that I'm charging at home an EV car. Hard to say how much it lowered by electricity usage because of the car. But peak saving in a month was $40 compared to previous year. Saved around 200kwh for that peak month comapred to last year. No maintanence needed so far. Definitely improved the cool air feeling due lower humidity compared to the last ac. I'd recommend it if you live in high humidity areas. The fact alone that the noise is so reduced and made our backyard so quiet makes it worth it.
@ thanks Dave. I ordered mine. Waiting for installation. I was wondering the MB zone thermostat you showed, is it there to control that zone or just to show you the temperature in that room. I asked for that extra sensor but was told it’s cannot be used without getting controller for zones etc. But it would be nice to have that room reading / control even though the main thermostat is in the other side of the house. If you don’t have zones, is it possible to set this room temperature instead of the main controller temperature? Like Nest is doing it with their temperature sensors. Or do I really need to get all that zone equipment etc. Thanks!
The only real benefit to getting the infinity is increased comfort. It’s not worth it from a money savings standpoint because you probably won’t get an ROI over its life in energy savings because the initial price is so high. Combined with the higher risk of something expensive breaking, just not worth it. I’ll stick with my 97 Comfortmaker 5 ton that has given me no problems and can hold 68 even when it’s 110 outside. They don’t make beasts like that anymore.
That depends a great deal on your climate and your energy costs. If you live in a hot climate, they can save a lot of money. People don't quite understand why these are so much more efficent, but in a lot of ways, it comes down to fluid dynamics. When a standard AC comes on, it produces the coldest air it can, and this is why that is important. The colder the air, the denser it is, and the denser it is, the more energy it takes to move it through the ductwork of the system. This is why an AC with a gas furnace will have two speeds. The high speed is for the heavier cold air, which it has to pump through and often up the ducts, and the low speed is for the warm air, which is far less dense. The same is true of the fan on the outdoor unit (condensor.) The faster the fan has to turn, the more drag there is. When a traditional AC turns on, it runs full blast and at the lowest possible efficiency. It will also take over 100 amps to start a 4 ton conventional AC. If the set temp is 76 and the trigger temp is 74, the AC will just run full blast, pushing the coldest, densest air it can make though the ducts until it reaches the set temp and then it will wait for the next cycle. I My variable speed unit (25% to 100% in 1 percent steps) comes on, it always comes on in the 25% (1 ton) mode. The first good thing about this is that it also draws only 25 amps at start, so you can run it off of a smaller standby generator (if that matters, but where I live, we have had two 4 day outages in the last 3 years). It will run at this speed until it can't keep pace with the temp change, at which point it will step up to 26%. If it can't keep up, it will step up to 27%, and so on. Remember, the slower it goes the more efficent the system is because the weight of the air is less and the drag of the outdoor fan, moving air through the coils is far less. Also, the longer it runs, the more humidity it takes out of the air, and the drier the air, the more comfortably you will feel at a given temp, which means that rather than run at 76 degrees, you can run at 78 degrees and feel just as comfortable. If the system is sized right, it will only run at the peak, most inefficient speed, during the peak hours of the day, and when it runs at this speed, it is no more efficent than a standard single speed AC. The real energy savings though are found in the fact that the slower the unit runs, the more efficient the system is, and the lower the humidity in the air is. The payback is also going to be found in the fact that these systems can last a lot longer. They are runnig slower, so there is less load on the compressor and fans, and the pressure is lower in the system, meaning less restruction of the coolant flowing through the condensor, compressor, and line set. In an areas where a traditional AC might only last 12 years, and heat pump varieable speed can last maybe 3-5 years longer. The majority of the time it is running, it is simply not working as hard as the conventional AC. Last but not least, a varieable speed heat pump is more efficent than even a forced air gas furnace. This is because it does not have to make hot air. It moves heat from one place to another. Just like hybrid water heaters, which are more efficent than gas or electric hot water heaters (by a very large margin if it is a conventional electic hot water heater, the heat pump is a much less expensvie way to heat a home, and modern heat pumps can work down to 20 degrees and even less. These systems will pay the cost differential and they are totally worth it if you live somewhere that gets regular 90 degree temps in the summer. For those in places like Colorado, where the average temp during even the heat of the summer is maybe 75 degrees, they might not be worth it, but for places in lower lattitudes, they can make a huge difference, but even in those places, the slight extra money of a 2 speed AC will be worth it, and just below the top end variable speed, there is a 5 speed that offers most of the advantages of the top end system at a meanigful savings (maybe $1500 to $1800 less than the 75 speed units (25% to 100% in 1 percentage point increments). The further north you live, the less sense it makes, but I would recommend that anyone upgrading an AC spend the extra money for the 2 speed at the bare minium. These will usually run at 75% (a 4 ton unit runs at 3 tons) and 100%, and even in more moderate climates, you can get much more constant temps and reduced humidity. No one should replace a standard unit with a single speed.
I did own two carrier infinity units. One was a 3 ton and the other was a 2 ton. I had the 2 ton replaced (did not replace with another Infinity). When they work, they are great! But when they need repairs.....get ready$$$$$$$. Even if it's under warranty.
Running Carrier 2 ton 13 seer basic model. Installed in 2022. Keeps 68 degrees on the hottest days in the Rockies. Humidity is kept at 40 to 50% range. Added monthly cost to electric bill is $20 - $30. On the heat side, Carrier Performance 60BTU installed in 2017. Natural gas in winter months is 50 to 80 dollars a month guided by weather. I do my own maintenance on both units. Highly recommend.
Need a good AC to keep things feeling nice!
2016 is old? The unit at the place I rent has a unit from 1994!
It’s all fine and good when it’s all working the way it’s suppose to. All that electronics can be a BIG Headache to diagnose a fix along with big money 💵 💰 after the warranty is up! I’ll keep my 1995 Carrier with the meat locker feel regardless how loud it is.
@@ronsteffes1155yep
I have a 1997 Comfortmaker 5 ton that came with my house new. Still going strong! Screw todays unreliable junk.
@@ronsteffes1155I’ll take less efficiency for reliability and performance. My 97 Comfortmaker 5 ton can hold 68 degrees even when it’s 110 out. Family members with new units can’t come close to that.
I consider that to still be a young unit. My air conditioner was installed in 1991.
Off the top of your head how much money do you think you've put in to replacing parts?
How is it working in summer? The efficiency in warm days?
Definitely continues to not feel humid in the house even though it's wet and hot outside. Probably my house is using around 30kwh per day. Might be similar to what it was before if not slightly lower but again feels a lot cooler and less humid so worth the consumed energy.
Dave, we are looking at buying the carrier infinity 19 seer. Do you have to have the carrier infinity furnace to make this work the way it is supposed to. I have had one carrier salesman tell me I had to replace the furnace and ac to get the infinity because without the coordinating infinity furnace it would not be able to communicate with my older furnaces' blower fan. Another told me I could get this and use my current furnace but then the Infinity only would work as a 2 stage AC and not a 5 stage until I eventually add the compatible communicating infinity furnace. What furnace are you running with your new infinity AC?
My system isn't gas. It's electric. So I don't think I have a furnace.
what is the brand and model of the fancy Thermostat that calculates energy costs? Thank you
@@mannymendoza5857 it comes with the infinity. Called infinity system control.
OVERPRICED, my A/C company quoted me $18k for a new Carrier infinity system-I laughed,, I just ordered a Daikin Fit for $12k from another company!! A superior and quieter system.
I don't know what city you're in, but if you have heat waves is it able to keep up to your set temperature? How does it compare to your old unit on really hot days?
@@ifeelsoalive we did have some abnormal hot days and you wouldn't know it by being in our house. Everyone complained with the old ac that it got hot and humid. Doesn't happen anymore.
How are you liking it so far since we are in the dead middle Of Summer 2024? Worth the costs? I'm up for an upgrade and I'm debating between the carrier Performance 2 stage and the Carrier Infinity model. The price difference is almost double the price. Please give me your input on why you got the Infinity over the Performance model.
What are you being quoted? My single stage ac cooled the house fine but humidity levels kept increasing and I couldn't lower them. The minute the ac turned off it felt hot. A two stage could probably have done the trick. I would have killed myself if it didn't. So might as well get the best and not worry about what ifs.
@davewelike im in central florida and I was quoted for a 4 ton 2 stage outside and variable air handler carrier brand for $8,600. The carrier infinity 4 ton variable outside and variable air handler was $15,000 (NOT greenspeed). I'm weighing the benefit over cost of the Infinity system. I have a 4000 sq foot two story house. Nothing is wrong with current 4 ton system. And I have 2 units for the whole house. A 3 ton for downstairs and a 4 ton for upstairs. Just trying to get more comfort and energy savings. I'm not sure if I will get the energy savings because regardless I'm running the ac. It's just if it's variable speed then it will pull less voltage. Lmk what you think.
Now that the summer is over, did you get any new updates you want to share? Are you happy with your choice? Would you still recommend getting it? How’s your cost? Any problems so far? The maintenance/service? Let us know. Thx
@@krufka My peak energy usage was lower compared to last year even with adding now that I'm charging at home an EV car. Hard to say how much it lowered by electricity usage because of the car. But peak saving in a month was $40 compared to previous year. Saved around 200kwh for that peak month comapred to last year. No maintanence needed so far. Definitely improved the cool air feeling due lower humidity compared to the last ac. I'd recommend it if you live in high humidity areas. The fact alone that the noise is so reduced and made our backyard so quiet makes it worth it.
@ thanks Dave. I ordered mine. Waiting for installation. I was wondering the MB zone thermostat you showed, is it there to control that zone or just to show you the temperature in that room. I asked for that extra sensor but was told it’s cannot be used without getting controller for zones etc. But it would be nice to have that room reading / control even though the main thermostat is in the other side of the house. If you don’t have zones, is it possible to set this room temperature instead of the main controller temperature? Like Nest is doing it with their temperature sensors. Or do I really need to get all that zone equipment etc. Thanks!
Can I use a Nest with it?
No you have to use the supplied thermostats
The only real benefit to getting the infinity is increased comfort. It’s not worth it from a money savings standpoint because you probably won’t get an ROI over its life in energy savings because the initial price is so high. Combined with the higher risk of something expensive breaking, just not worth it. I’ll stick with my 97 Comfortmaker 5 ton that has given me no problems and can hold 68 even when it’s 110 outside. They don’t make beasts like that anymore.
That depends a great deal on your climate and your energy costs. If you live in a hot climate, they can save a lot of money. People don't quite understand why these are so much more efficent, but in a lot of ways, it comes down to fluid dynamics. When a standard AC comes on, it produces the coldest air it can, and this is why that is important. The colder the air, the denser it is, and the denser it is, the more energy it takes to move it through the ductwork of the system. This is why an AC with a gas furnace will have two speeds. The high speed is for the heavier cold air, which it has to pump through and often up the ducts, and the low speed is for the warm air, which is far less dense. The same is true of the fan on the outdoor unit (condensor.) The faster the fan has to turn, the more drag there is. When a traditional AC turns on, it runs full blast and at the lowest possible efficiency. It will also take over 100 amps to start a 4 ton conventional AC. If the set temp is 76 and the trigger temp is 74, the AC will just run full blast, pushing the coldest, densest air it can make though the ducts until it reaches the set temp and then it will wait for the next cycle.
I My variable speed unit (25% to 100% in 1 percent steps) comes on, it always comes on in the 25% (1 ton) mode. The first good thing about this is that it also draws only 25 amps at start, so you can run it off of a smaller standby generator (if that matters, but where I live, we have had two 4 day outages in the last 3 years). It will run at this speed until it can't keep pace with the temp change, at which point it will step up to 26%. If it can't keep up, it will step up to 27%, and so on. Remember, the slower it goes the more efficent the system is because the weight of the air is less and the drag of the outdoor fan, moving air through the coils is far less. Also, the longer it runs, the more humidity it takes out of the air, and the drier the air, the more comfortably you will feel at a given temp, which means that rather than run at 76 degrees, you can run at 78 degrees and feel just as comfortable. If the system is sized right, it will only run at the peak, most inefficient speed, during the peak hours of the day, and when it runs at this speed, it is no more efficent than a standard single speed AC. The real energy savings though are found in the fact that the slower the unit runs, the more efficient the system is, and the lower the humidity in the air is.
The payback is also going to be found in the fact that these systems can last a lot longer. They are runnig slower, so there is less load on the compressor and fans, and the pressure is lower in the system, meaning less restruction of the coolant flowing through the condensor, compressor, and line set. In an areas where a traditional AC might only last 12 years, and heat pump varieable speed can last maybe 3-5 years longer. The majority of the time it is running, it is simply not working as hard as the conventional AC.
Last but not least, a varieable speed heat pump is more efficent than even a forced air gas furnace. This is because it does not have to make hot air. It moves heat from one place to another. Just like hybrid water heaters, which are more efficent than gas or electric hot water heaters (by a very large margin if it is a conventional electic hot water heater, the heat pump is a much less expensvie way to heat a home, and modern heat pumps can work down to 20 degrees and even less.
These systems will pay the cost differential and they are totally worth it if you live somewhere that gets regular 90 degree temps in the summer. For those in places like Colorado, where the average temp during even the heat of the summer is maybe 75 degrees, they might not be worth it, but for places in lower lattitudes, they can make a huge difference, but even in those places, the slight extra money of a 2 speed AC will be worth it, and just below the top end variable speed, there is a 5 speed that offers most of the advantages of the top end system at a meanigful savings (maybe $1500 to $1800 less than the 75 speed units (25% to 100% in 1 percentage point increments). The further north you live, the less sense it makes, but I would recommend that anyone upgrading an AC spend the extra money for the 2 speed at the bare minium. These will usually run at 75% (a 4 ton unit runs at 3 tons) and 100%, and even in more moderate climates, you can get much more constant temps and reduced humidity. No one should replace a standard unit with a single speed.
But the high-pitched sound from the inverter on these babies can be pretty annoying.
I think it’s sounds great, it sounds very technologically advanced like a hemi engine
These are WAY OVERPRICED, I went with the Daikin Fit !!
Seems to have failed prematurely
What did?
@@davewelike Your A/C unit.