Real Ba Gua Fighting - 8 Moves, Internal Kung Fu!

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  • @ukguy
    @ukguy 9 років тому +28

    I usually don't like to put down other peoples martial arts, but you claim to be a "Bagua Master" and yet your baguazhang is about as authentic and good as someone who has practiced only a few weeks. Very poor. please stop calling yourself a master, you are making yourself look silly.

  • @HueghMungus
    @HueghMungus 11 років тому +62

    Airbending!! :D

  • @RonnySayfan
    @RonnySayfan 11 років тому +32

    Two things are obvious:
    1. You have had no authentic bagua training.
    2. You are trying to force MMA applications on these bagua-like movements you've invented.
    Don't even try to argue - not one technique is even remotely correct, and I mean from either a bagua's OR wrestling perspective.

  • @AndyRaslan
    @AndyRaslan 10 років тому +94

    Your Bagua is about as real as the food in Chinese takeaways.

    • @RealKungFu
      @RealKungFu  10 років тому +22

      I love the food at some Chinese takeaways! :)

    • @davidmartinez9804
      @davidmartinez9804 9 років тому +9

      +Andrew Raslan that's being generous at least Chinese take out serves a purpose.

    • @bkmeahan
      @bkmeahan 9 років тому +6

      +Kung Fu & Tai Chi Center w/ Jake Mace Just because you "love" it doesn't make it authentic.

    • @jtjang4682
      @jtjang4682 8 років тому +1

      Lol

    • @davidmartinez9804
      @davidmartinez9804 7 років тому +1

      Are you saying that Fake Mace accepts challenges?

  • @jacksonclements3559
    @jacksonclements3559 11 років тому +1

    so far, i enjoy and practise everything he has taught that has to do with bagua, and i think that everything he has taught is professional. please post as much bagua as you can. i love the forms, and especially the blocks and attacks. i would like to see more factoring in fighting into the movements though.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  10 років тому +5

    ***QUESTION:
    What is better for fighting / combat Tai Chi or Bagua? Let me know below!

    • @nihilagain7624
      @nihilagain7624 10 років тому +2

      There are several kinds of Bagua and Taiji, traditionally both have been used by guards of various types. Both are extremely effective, but taijiquan has been heavily modified by WJQ and YCF about a century ago into a much less effective style, while bagua remains rather effective.
      Clearly Sun style taijiquan, created by Sun Lutang (a baguazhang master) has the advantage.

    • @Lolidella82
      @Lolidella82 10 років тому +2

      Josh Young depends on where you are learning tai chi in a martial arts school or at the local rec center. I've been studying it for two years and I just started learning ba gua. I prefer tai chi.

    • @nihilagain7624
      @nihilagain7624 10 років тому

      I've enjoyed mostly taijiquan for almost a decade. However the form I got seemed to lack some challenge and I supplemented it with capoeria and some other stuff.

    • @Lolidella82
      @Lolidella82 10 років тому

      Josh Young The school I study at teaches different tai chi forms with each level not to mention other small forms in many kung fu disciplines. So far, just listing tai chi forms, I've learned the simplest first, Universal, then I learned a form called Sandak, then Sun, and right now I'm working on Yang. Along the way I've had to learn Mabu Kuen, Sil lum dao, Jop sil, Wing Chun, and Ba Gua to name a few. And with each level I learn another breathing exercise so I can improve my qi gong. I just really really enjoy tai chi. Capoeria is also pretty cool. I've always admired that but I know I can't easily get into that. I'm working on getting more in shape and tai chi is something I can do at my physical level.

    • @nihilagain7624
      @nihilagain7624 10 років тому

      Good stuff!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  10 років тому +2

    How many of you see the Blue Flag sticking out of Joachim's pocket? What weapon do you think is in there?

  • @lilPopper
    @lilPopper 11 років тому +1

    I'm currently just studying the basics of Bagua....and from what I learned from my Sifu, this internal art is all opened palm. Secondly, while doing lots of twisting, both feet are suppose to be planted on the floor so you can feel all the energy build up and store.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Yes! We are going to go there and do a series of videos!!!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    What do you say? Ba Gua or Pa Kua?

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    btw - It is impossible for me to make you look or feel bad! You can only do that to yourself!

  • @DMKleinArts
    @DMKleinArts 10 років тому +1

    Good stuff! I started using these with a friend/student recently, and swimming is such a good internal exercise!

  • @brianxsmallwood
    @brianxsmallwood 12 років тому

    A couple of thoughts. I like in this video that you show sections of a form followed by the techinque, and also how you go slow so that everyone gets a chance to see what you are doing. I like how some of your technique sets video's are a quick reference to some of your more detailed videos of the same techniques. As for the critics, I would note that there are many styles of Bagua, just as with any martial art, and having said that, in Jakes style, this is how he does Bagua.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Well said Paul! And, the vast majority of people are enjoying it, learning, and getting better (20 likes so far)!
    You the Man!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Sounds good Brian! Thanks! I may be going this Fall in a couple months and if I do I look for some Mantis and we are going to film a lot of videos from famous and historical sites in China!

  • @armytrpt1979
    @armytrpt1979 11 років тому

    I love when someone can not only perform these meditative arts, but employ their combative applications. very nice. I miss KungFu

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    What is this?

  • @jeromespanski3922
    @jeromespanski3922 6 років тому

    Jake Mace's,JKDimensions have illustrategy! THANKS JAKE

  • @lafocaz3033
    @lafocaz3033 7 років тому +1

    Ojala alguien pueda traducir esto. Es una pena que, siendo los profesores y maestros del kung fu alrededor del mundo los encargados de difundir este arte que amamos, haya gente que no solo lo use con fines de lucro, si no que ademas manche el nombre de los estilos que no conocen pero pretenden enseñar. Esto no es Ba Gua Zhang, la joya interna de los 8 trigramas, esto es el invento inspirado en videos de un instructor que no respeta lo que hace ni lo que dice amar. Una pena. Generalmente tengo este canal como una diversion, ya que las tecnicas no son aplicables y los estilos no tienen buenos fundamentos, pero con Ba Gua se toco una fibra sensible, un estilo tan profundo reducido a esta mimica burlona. THIS MAN IS A FAKE

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    It does! Tai Chi is Chinese Self Defense and pre-dates Karate by hundreds of years! All Chinese Martial Arts were the inspiration for the Japanese Martial Arts! :)

  • @happyj1128
    @happyj1128 9 років тому +17

    Hello, as a martial artist I just want to tell you that you still don't get it. You practice the form, but I don't see any real understanding of internal kung fu on what you are doing. Hope one day you will find it

    • @octagon7732
      @octagon7732 7 років тому

      Yeah, I agree to some extent, He does a lot of unnecessary combos when he can do a throw, as he demonstrates this at 2:25 and 1:10, but I see alot of other stuff That I do in wrestling, and is effective in scramble

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    What, I can't hear you because I'm too busy practicing, sweating, getting stronger, getting better, and loving it! Go enjoy life my friend! I'm not worth it! It's sad that posting your comments on my videos is how you spend your time! Cheers!

  • @brianxsmallwood
    @brianxsmallwood 12 років тому

    Also to followup what I just said, offering negative comments to Jakes technique isn't going to make him consider all you critic's views on what he is doing. Offer CONSTRUCTIVE critiques that are positive that mentions what he does RIGHT, how he could do better, and not focus just on everything you guys see as wrong. Anyway, great video, very practical stuff, thanks for taking the time to make this video, and keep up the good work Jake. If you ever go China again, study some southern mantis!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    Hope you all are learning Bagua from our channel! We have lots more traditional, authentic, and effective Ba Gua Zhang to come!

  • @markdrewterry
    @markdrewterry 12 років тому

    Interesting. Thanks. Just a question, or maybe it's a suggestion, or, just if it was me, something I would explore. On the first part, "Swimming," it seems to be primarily upper body. I wonder what type of applications you might discover if you moved in to take your opponent's center/stance using your own stance at the same time.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Haha! Awesome! Keep it up! A moving stone gathering no moss! Live forever with health my friend!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    A lot of the moves we show are contained within Jeet Kune Do. But, I know what you mean! We'll put one together! Although, Jeet Kune Do is more of a philosophy of Martial Arts, teaching the practitioner to use any tactic that works!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Thanks for the comment! This stuff is fun, creative, effective, and traditional btw!

  • @stonetigerxingyi
    @stonetigerxingyi 11 років тому

    Who did you train with in China? What city? Thanks for sharing your art and passion, best of luck!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    That's great! Thanks for the comment and you have now been deleted and blocked!!! Hope you enjoy watching and learning from our future video lesson! Hope you learn what Kung Fu is all about! :)

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Wow, you studied a touch of Ba Gua!!! Awesome! How about start studying again 3 hours a day for a decade and get better!!!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Ba Gua fighting is all about throws, takedowns, joint locks, submission, and neutralization and redirection of your opponents strength! Keep practicing my friend!!!

  • @Firefenex1996
    @Firefenex1996 10 років тому

    i was wondering if you could make a sparring video of ba gua. I have been watching a lot of your videos and wanted to see a natural fighting implication where the movements flow. thank, big fan

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    That's true! That is why there are hundreds more techniques (and 7 more in this video) if one opponent does not let a move in then you change it up and transition!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Yes!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    I just posted a new Ba Gua lesson! And, I have dozens more coming out this month! If you like it, then watch and learn! If you don't then don't watch! Ba Gua fighting is all about throws, takedowns, joint locks, submission, and neutralization and redirection of your opponents strength! Keep practicing my friend!!!

  • @Herowebcomics
    @Herowebcomics 7 років тому

    Thank you for putting this video up!
    These moves are amazing!

  • @mattcoordes
    @mattcoordes 11 років тому +8

    Good lord... You really shouldn't call this made up stuff Bagua, its just not... at all! Nor is it internal, at all. Your stepping is way too loose yer gonna catch a knee to the nuts. Too many issues to even get into it. Good for you for training and studying, but be humble, study in earnest, practice to develop, not show off or make money.

    • @goldo1107
      @goldo1107 6 років тому

      I mean, whatever you think to be bagua is also trash, so who cares?

  • @CottonBoxer
    @CottonBoxer 7 років тому

    how ca you teach or claim rel wen u have not studied baqua intimately enough to do so ? ijs what lineage of baqua are u in and who was your sifu? @ jake mace

  • @ibridodirisonanza4920
    @ibridodirisonanza4920 9 років тому +3

    Why you practice the circle walk? When you combat you are in the same position of the other combat style!
    In the world there are soo much fake master of bagua. Bagua is only 1 the imperial bagua the other style are born from pepople that see some master and tryed to copy her move. I'm very sad for this style because there so much people like you that make bad advertising. In you i see soo much kung-fu but very very little bagua.

  • @glitch6929
    @glitch6929 10 років тому +3

    My Kung Fu teacher taught me that Kung Fu is not about fancy forms or how authentic it is. Take the basics as a starting point and continue to learn, grow, and discover new ways of moving. That is the only way progress can be made. Grand Master Yip Man is a good example of that (for those who are familiar with his story) And look at Bruce Lee. He is arguably the greatest martial artist of our time. And he made his own martial art based on his past knowledge in wing chun karate etc. Kung Fu is Kung Fu.

    • @Lyoko104
      @Lyoko104 10 років тому

      Oh,and a fun fact,in the movie he defeated Master Zhang,who used Pa Kua lol.

    • @RealKungFu
      @RealKungFu  10 років тому

      Great post Lamont! Very True!!!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Thanks Man! And Yes, I agree! You can never please everyone and if you try you please no one!!!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    Sounds like you need to practice some real Bagua Zhang! Keep watching and be at peace! Plant a garden, it is very calming!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Thank you for the complement!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    The "swimming" is all lower body! If we did it together you would see how, without the legs and rooting to the ground, you have nothing!

  • @Andradi303
    @Andradi303 11 років тому +10

    Those interested in learning real bagua zhang fighting techniques should look elsewhere. There is nothing "internal" about this guy's teaching. Search for Hung I Hsiang, Hsu Hung Chi, Wang Shu Jin, Li Zi Ming, or Yin Fu and you will find the "Real Ba Gua Zhang"

  • @taffbanjo
    @taffbanjo 4 роки тому

    The essence of Ba Gua is to avoid, strike and move so grappling with an opponent merely gives one of your (multiple) attackers to hit you while you are so engaged...

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    A moving stone gathering no moss! Live forever with health my friend!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Thank you! Love the feedback!

  • @arbizm
    @arbizm 11 років тому

    very nice demonstration, clear for people to see and understand. I am just curious, what style of Bagua?It says shaolin center, Im guessing Yin?

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    50,000 views = Lot's of people practicing Ba Gua Zhang Self Defense!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Of course! The fighting applications that are taken from the Chinese Kung Fu "Kata" or Tao Lu are a reflection of the practitioner, in this case me! They are a reflection of my experience and my energy! And they work great for me and many of my students!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Going to China soon to practice some Bagua! I love this art!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    I agree! They are good, tough, train insanely, and are in arguably the best condition of any athlete on Earth!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    It is. And, it's fun!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    I agree! Thanks!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Thank you!

  • @alexcherry7293
    @alexcherry7293 9 років тому

    Gah, why are you not in Austin? Can you recommend anyone out this way?

  • @fubokuen
    @fubokuen 10 років тому +3

    How funny that this man has dozens of videos, but none of them even remotely resemble the arts they supposedly teach.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    I agree! These are only 8 moves against certain attacks! There are other fighting applications from Ba Gua and the other styles of Kung Fu that we train to defend against wrestlers both Freestyle and Greco Roman! Freestyle, Collegiate, and Greco Roman Wrestling are my other "loves" in addition to Kung Fu! That's all I did from age 12 to 21!

  • @cloud0123
    @cloud0123 11 років тому +1

    I'm not one of those guys that comments badly on videos, but while this is swimming, it is not bagua swimming (which is for sensitivity training)

  • @shanksor1911
    @shanksor1911 11 років тому +1

    i like how he crosses his legs during his "bagua circle"

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    Very similar!

  • @MartialMasculine
    @MartialMasculine 11 років тому

    It's called an 'underhook' and it's a very effective way of controlling your opponent while grappling.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    Kung Fu is the art of fighting without fighting! Avoid the fight, live a happy life!

  • @joshuashaffer6737
    @joshuashaffer6737 10 років тому

    Thank you , that was a great refresher.

  • @donjuan6799
    @donjuan6799 11 років тому

    I studied several Chinese styles, but If I had it to do again, I would find a qualified BaGua instructor. It's too late now, but it's fun to watch

  • @NishantKalra
    @NishantKalra 7 років тому

    interesting subtext you got there, are those Chinese proverbs?

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    This is real Bagua!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    I love Ba Gua!

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    I started getting cauliflower ear when I was 19 from wrestling and grappling, but I was always very good about wearing headgear during practice (even though it's a pain)! My Mom says that I'm the only one in our family with the hump on my nose from it being cracked so many times! And, there is the scar on my right arm! Go check out the "Perfect Horse Stance" video on our channel and you'll see my scar that was from having my arm broken during a match! 16 screws and 2 plates and 2 surgeries!

  • @shougoo7
    @shougoo7 11 років тому

    Great video!!! Arm bar detail: Only cross legs if they are under the arm. Otherwise opponent can remove both legs at once.

  • @YotaVGA
    @YotaVGA 10 років тому +5

    I don't know very much of bagua. But I can't understand how you can have a solid structure with your lumbar region so much arched.
    I understand that there are many ways to do martial arts, but I don't think that this is the case, I suppose that ba gua (like most of the chinese martial arts, and even more the internal styles) needs a VERY solid structure. How can you express the force of your legs, or afford a very vigorous push, with that? I can't understand, so if I made a mistake please let me know how it is possible!

    • @xoreign
      @xoreign 10 років тому +6

      No you're right. Real bagua doesn't arch or twist the spine in any way.

    • @ausreir
      @ausreir 9 років тому +1

      A round spine is the source of true power. It should not be arched inwards.

  • @peterspurgeon2667
    @peterspurgeon2667 10 років тому +5

    Learned most of these moves when I was in high school wrestling, minus the frivolous extra movements thrown in for show. Just gonna guess it's not authentic Ba Gua.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    btw: Again I'm telling you that any more confrontational and negative comments from you will be deleted! You've had enough! :)

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Only You Can Do That! You Are Responsible for You!!! :)

  • @garysnowdon1918
    @garysnowdon1918 11 років тому +7

    This is poor, sorry I hate raining on any bodies parade.

  • @MultiFinlayson
    @MultiFinlayson 11 років тому +1

    Moves look pretty wushu based, which perhaps explains the 'Shaolin Gongfu' (少林功夫) banner on the wall.

  • @77goofball
    @77goofball 11 років тому

    The Dao and the deer knives hanging on the wall are pretty badass.

  • @1Byzantinec
    @1Byzantinec 11 років тому

    thank you for bringing the light to the ancient room of martial arts :-)

  • @nomamao
    @nomamao 12 років тому +1

    This has to be some more Shaolin Do stuff. Real Ba Gua doesn't move in this fashion, nor do they attack in this fashion.

  • @jeromespanski3922
    @jeromespanski3922 6 років тому +1

    Jake.Mace got JKDisposition!?

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    I agree! Well said!

  • @Cigarbawz
    @Cigarbawz 11 років тому

    I totally agree... Very Shaolin like movements... Especially the 'swimming'.

  • @P69Mac
    @P69Mac 11 років тому

    how many martial arts will you make a mockery of?

  • @schizofrenzia1884
    @schizofrenzia1884 7 років тому

    i like how its always the people that look the least im shape that talk crap in sifu maces videos

  • @SavageInsight
    @SavageInsight 11 років тому

    Dear ShaolinCenter,
    I hope you have time for a random stranger's question.
    What advice do you have for speed and timing? Simply saying "practice" opens a flood of options. Are there exercises you could recommend?
    Ba Gua seems a reactive-counter system of techniques - implying an importance of rhythm and speed greater than one's own opponent.
    Also, would you suggest "swimming" when working with a grappler?

  • @jiemaixu
    @jiemaixu 11 років тому +1

    It is something, but definitely not baguazhang. Why is the rear heel lifted in when he is holding the standing palm? Doesn't look right.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    Ba Gua - 8 REAL Pa Kua Fighting Moves! Why 8? Well, Ba Gua or Pa Kua has 8 Palms, 8 Kua's, 64 Rules, 8 Elements, and a Chinese Ba Gua has 8 Sides. So these are the 8 Beginning Level Ba Gua (Internal Chinese Kung Fu) Fighting Applications. Get a partner and WORK IT!!!

  • @Beatnuk
    @Beatnuk 12 років тому

    What are the eight "elements" in your bagua, as opposed to the trigrams, or "kuas"?

  • @changingfistarts7874
    @changingfistarts7874 10 років тому +4

    Though I appreciate Jake's enthusiasm for self-marketing, this is pretty bad stuff. I am familiar with his Shaolin-Do Temple -Style Pa Kua (or Ba Gua). His emulation of the form is pretty mediocre ... and his "utility" of the movements is even worse. Maybe, though, he'll be discovered as a "male model" someday.

  • @danrivera7
    @danrivera7 9 років тому

    This looks like just wanted a hug and was hiding it under the guise of teaching a lesson

  • @ldnmailbox8352
    @ldnmailbox8352 7 років тому

    This is good, the swimming is similar to what we do in Muay Thai whilst in the clinch.

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  12 років тому

    It is Ba Gua (two words....Ba Gua)! :)

  • @denzuko1
    @denzuko1 11 років тому

    Very interesting! I always find Bagua palm to be interesting anx yet I have little idea how it works. The Shifu certainly have much insight to the art.

  • @jumildador9118
    @jumildador9118 8 років тому

    the guy can punch Jake's torso at 1:13 how can i defend myself to that?

  • @RealKungFu
    @RealKungFu  11 років тому

    Effective!

  • @chadwiley6917
    @chadwiley6917 8 років тому

    I really like the kata or form presentation of the movements followed by your interpretation on another person. Yahk Soak Deta or promised sparing is what we called it. Can be lots of fun. I really like the Giant Python Flips The Body. I've know that movement for years and more or less thought of it as a knife hand block and I guess it is in the form my Master taught at the time but it tickles the brain to look at forms differently.~The master said to the student, "our true problem is we don't what to grow up." The student asked the master, "how do we know when we have grown up?" The master replied, "When we no longer want/need to be lied to." I have know idea where I read that but it's a good one and humbling.Take it easy Jake. 4 minute and 21 second video with that much content is sweet!

  • @jadekayak01
    @jadekayak01 11 років тому

    very pretty but why the vast difference between form and function in most of them.
    Will these work against an opponent who just keeps wailing on you?

  • @pkscoggs_music
    @pkscoggs_music 4 роки тому

    A lot of these techniques are used in wrestling...the fireman’s, tie ups, ,mixers, head locks to snap downs...