R-Pod Outrigger Installation - Step-By-Step Process
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- In this video, we will go over the step-by-step process of installing outriggers on my 2017.5 R-Pod 179. We had noticed the slide-side wall of the trailer sagging after a recent camping trip, and after considerable research and inquiry, decided on the fix that we will detail in this video.
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Great job John. I’ve ordered mine and awaiting shipment. We do have some sag in the slide out. Thanks again for the informative video.
Glad the video was helpful. Hopefully, you won’t be waiting too long for the parts. All the best! Don't forget the process doc and diagrams on the site: johnmarucci.com/docs-downloads/
Link to all R-Pod videos: johnmarucci.com/r-pod-video-list/
Interesting video John and thanks for the info with regards to the body outrigger supports. I have this problem too on my 2019 R-pod 180. I contacted Forest River about obtaining the supports, but instead got a lot push back. They feel that the supports just fixes a symptom and not the problem. They wanted me to take pictures showing the over hang sag with a combination square which I felt was reasonable. They sent me a questionnaire titled "Over Torsion Axle" where they also wanted a pictures of the axle tag on the Lippert axle, pictures of my towing set up, hitch set up, hitch, weight distribution hitch with the brand, tongue and weight capacities and tow vehicle type. They also wanted pictures of the unit showing the clearance between the fender and tires. Apparently they feel that this body sag is related to the axle and weight distribution hitch. I told her specifically that the floor sag was only evident directly under the slide out. That there is no sag in any other location. I told her that I felt sure that the issue was because of the lack of out rigger body supports at the frame. I measured the distance from each side of the frame at the axle to the ground which was exactly the same. I used a string to check for any bend in the axle housing - none. I checked the distance between the fenders and the tires which was almost the same. There was some difference in the clearance measurement only because I discovered that one fender was mounted higher on the body than the other one! I asked if I could just purchase the outrigger supports from her direct and she refused. She also wanted pictures of the inside floor sag with a level. I told her that there was no evidence of interior sag or separation between the floor and wall and hopefully will avoid any future separation if I can get these outrigger supports now so that I can install them immediately. She actually said no that I still needed to get pictures interior floor with a level. I'm at wits end with Forest River. I had many issues with this unit when I first got the unit new (that's a whole different story). I told her that if I can't get the outrigger supports from her, that I would go to a local fabricator and have them made. Sorry for being so wordy here, but wanted you to know my story and couldn't find any other way to get in touch with you.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Unfortunately, it is par for the course for R-Pod and was for me somewhat. They have been pushing back lately on supplying outriggers to customers and have taken some owner's units in and replaced the axle. If they are willing to fully add outriggers and replace the axle on their dime off-season, you may want to consider it. These all should have been recalled for this sag issue. There is a ton of dialog on this exact issue on the R-Pod owners forum (not FB): rpod-owners.com. FYI, I saw an identical post on another video and only left this one. Thanks.
Thanks again for replying. Yes...at first I balked at going through the process on the axle and all the info and pics they wanted when I was just wanting to purchase the out riggers. After giving it more consideration, I'm going to cooperate with them and see where the process goes. Like you said, if they are willing to add the out riggers and replace the axle on their dime, why not go a head with it and at least test the waters.
@@wavanauken Same thing just happened to us this spring. We had an annoying back and forth, but FR replace the torsion axle on our 2017 for free. They said they would send the outriggers along with it, but we would need to take care of the install of those ourselves, but the dealership doing our axle did the outriggers for us as well and we didn't pay a dime. It was gone two months, maybe only lost one month of the season, but it was annoying that it was that long because FR made the dealership go through the whole picture process all over again despite them already telling us it was approved.
@@Bandgazebo My axle turned out to be OK which I was pretty sure of anyway as I had no symptoms nor was there any sag in the suspension. The dealership confirmed the body sag under the slide out after Forest River made them jump through many hoops. I knew there was sag there as I had already checked it. But they did say they saw evidence of water leakage and attributed that to bad owner maintenance! That really ticked me off. Uh...yeah it had leaked water from the get go when it was brand new because the manufacturer didn't seal the the spoiler on the roof correctly. And then there was another water leak 2-3 years later because they didn't mount the AC unit correctly when they didn't properly torque the bolts to apply the right amount of pressure to the A/C roof gasket seal. Geeeeeez. And I got these leaks fixed right away so there was no prolonged water contamination or damage to the walls. Just some staining. They also said they could sell me the supports. Ha! SELL me the outrigger supports!!! I said NO. I will get them from a good independent metal fabricator which I found through one of the Forest River forums. The supports I found were much better quality than the ones FR offered me. And get this - I was talking to this independent shop about this issue and he said, yeah...we've sold a lot of these outrigger supports made directly for the FR R-pod. I asked about how many and he said oh...about 400-500 or there abouts. REALLY!!! That many shows just how poor the build was. The weight of the slide-out directly over the cantilevered frame where FR failed to install supports is what lead to the body sag. Not the axle which they said could cause this. What!!! The axle can cause the unsupported body to sag! Ha!! And it sure wasn't because of the alleged water contamination.
When I first got this vehicle, there were about 20 things I found wrong with it. The dealership fixed a lot of it after many weeks of frustration getting it done. I repaired a lot because I was just sick and tired of dealing with them and taking it back and forth. That and I sure was more confident in the repairs I made myself because I knew i would do it correctly. I called Forest River directly about the poor workmanship when the unit was originally built. I sent them an 11 page write up with pictures of everything that I found wrong with it. They covered everything warranty, but that was such a hassle. They said that is what the warranty is for - to have these issues repaired. I told them no, the warranty is technically to repair mechanical issues that arise during the warranty contract period, not for defects that it comes with right out of the factory. Heck...the dealership even admitted that Forest River uses them as their quality control because they know there will be problems. Ha!!! I asked Forest River that I deserved some compensation for the hassle (many back and forth deliveries of the unit to the dealership, the waiting, the seemingly endless back and forth communications with the dealership and Forest River, etc.). They asked what kind of compensation was I looking for and I said somewhat jokingly some cash back would be nice. They said how much?!?! I was totally floored. I said how about $500 and they agreed! That says a lot and I'm not talking about the positive side.
Also, actually, I had to get the AC gasket done twice. The first time I made a claim to my extend warranty company and I had it done at a dealership. Six months later it started leaking again. The gasket was cheap and it failed (split at the corners). I fixed it myself this time as I wasn't going to trust them to do it again even if it was warranty. I mean...the warranty is no good if they can't make quality repairs. And I wasn't going to use the same type of cheap gasket. I used a premium one piece high-quality closed cell EPDM sponge rubber gasket. Sure it was more expensive than the cheap gasket that was originally used, but it was a better gasket.
Sorry for the wordy response. I will never deal with Forest River or their so called recommended warranty dealership service centers. Just FYI, I'm a retired mechanic and fleet manager with 38 years experience, so I do know a little bit about these things.
Excellent video John. I've been waiting to see how you were going to do the repair. Forest River needs to put you on their payroll as a technician specialist.
Glad the video was helpful. It’s too bad that we have to do this fix, but it wasn’t too difficult. All the best!
This was so helpful, thank you! Couple of notes- the long drill bit suggested by another follower was very worth it. They were only willing to sell me 6 outriggers, I used 5 on my 176t. Mine was slumped pretty low, so I corrected it some, but not completely. The amount of lift I had to apply with the jack was actually attempting to lift the tire off the ground and I got worried about everything separating and ripping the floor from the frame. So, I put as much pressure as I felt comfortable doing and unslumped the wall some but not to completely square. I don't have sad feelings about this, the problem is now improved and stabilized and for sure will not get worse... Thanks so much for your detailed video!
Glad to hear that the video was helpful. It sounds like you have the issue covered. Forest River has paid to fix these issues for some owners but it has been randomly applied. If you have further issues, you may want to push them for more. Thanks!
Details, details, details. You are the man with precise instructions, thank you.
Glad to hear it. It was quite the process to map out. All the best!
John , after watchin this video I'm going to install the out riggers myself.. I looks simple enough. I'll let you know the end result.. Thanks pal.. Jody Cascio
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@@JohnMarucci Thanks John.. I'm with you on the flooring issue also.. What a shame to not reinforce the most heavily traveled floor area of the Rpod.. What a shameful sham. I'll tackle the floor and outriggers in the comeing weeks
Helpful video. I recommend using a washer on both inner and outer sides of the bolt to help prevent paint from getting scraped off the outrigger.
Good idea, thanks!
John, I appreciate the effort and time you put into this video and your instructions. I just completed installing outriggers on my 179. It was built in February 2014 and had NO outriggers, unless you count the step brackets. I put 6 outriggers on the slide side and 5 on the door side. To better protect the waste and fresh tanks I screwed a piece of plywood to a 1/4-inch piece of steel and clamped it steel side toward the tank to ensure I did not go through the wood and puncture the tank. The gaps between the frame and tanks were from 1 to 2-1/2 inches. Again, thanks for the excellent video and instructions. They gave me a lot of confidence in correcting the sagging problem!
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Mark, glad to hear the video was helpful. Sounds like you tackled it well. All the best!
I finally got my outriggers installed, but I made a slight modification to the way Forest River manufactured them to address the issue of how to fit them over the trim. What I ended up doing was cutting some lengths of 3/16" thick flat steel (the same thickness as the trim), and welding them to the outriggers to fill the gap between the outrigger and the floor. Depending on the gap, the pieces were between 5 1/2 to 5 3/4" long by 2" wide. The welded on pieces fill the gap between the frame and the trim perfectly, so the outriggers fit squarely against the bottom of the floor and the frame with no gaps. I used the 2" width to allow enough room for the welds, and they also provide wider support under the floor. Otherwise I followed your instructions pretty much the way you did it. I did attach the end of the outriggers to the floor through the trim using the holes provided with stainless #8 truss head self drilling screws to prevent any movement of the outriggers when the r pod is in motion. I put a blob of silicone sealant in between the trim and the end of the outrigger, then drove the screws in through the sealant to address the concern of moisture possibly penetrating the opening. Basically the same thing Forest River did with the trim mounting screws at the factory. I am satisfied with the outcome. I installed six outriggers on the left side of my 180 (four under the slide out), and four outriggers on the right side, skipping the area of the stairs which already provide support to the floor. So 10 total seemed about right for my 180.
Kraig, thanks for taking the time to detail how you tackled the outrigger issue and the mods you did to the Forest River outriggers to make them fit snug at the rail. It is a really great explanation of how to do it right. I think this is about the best you can do with the Forest River provided outriggers. Thanks again for talking the time to write all this out. All the best!
Thank you John, (I have a feeling I'll be saying that a lot), I just received email back from Innovative Machine & Supply, who I found on the RPOD forums, $19.00 each which I think is pretty reasonable these days especially for peace of mind on my 190. I'm amazed that Lippert did not have a framework that was load bearing to support the weight of the slideout rather than relying on the floor of the trailer, that blows my mind.
Sounds like a good price on the outriggers. Definitely worth doing for peace of mind. All the best!
What a relief to finally find this. My very late 2019 E-Pro 16BH is having this sag very badly and this looks like exactly the fix. The 16BH has the same slide-out kitchen as the R-Pod 180. Interestingly, I can't find any mention of this issue wehn searching for E-Pro/Geo Pros, but maybe just because there aren't as many out there as R-Pods. Hoping Forest River will still help me. If not, time to fab up some outriggers. Thanks again!!!
Glad the video is helpful. There are plenty of R-Pod owners who have had outriggers fabricated. There are a few threads on the R-Pod owners forum if interested: rpod-owners.com
@@JohnMarucci Yeah, those experiences have been helpful for me to hear about as a non-R-Pod owner. I'm having some outriggers made which will be great.
Thanks so much for all this information John. I checked my 2018 180 and sure enough, it is sagging under the slide out. I ordered the outriggers a month ago and just got them today. So I am now prepping for the install and waiting for a dry day. I wasn't even aware of this issue until I saw your video on it and then checked and found the same issue on mine. I very much appreciate you bringing this issue to my attention.
Sorry to hear that you are having the same problem. Glad to hear that you were able to get the parts. The install isn’t too difficult if you have the tools and take your time. All the best!
Excellent video, John.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video thanks!
Just bought a 2018 Bullet colt. When I pick it up I’ll be checking under the slide and installing either way !
The outrigger issue is mainly an R-Pod brand problem for later years. My 2020 Bullet 243BHS has the need outriggers. Not sure Keystone has this issue. Thanks!
Wonderfully detailed DIY instructions!
Glad the video was helpful!
Thank you…. great class!! Just checked my 2020 POD (our second season) and the toilet valve cracked and completely separated… always something to fix… lol. Just got replacement valve in the mail yesterday! Now gotta figure out BEST clamps to use… probably SHARK BITES???
Glad the video was helpful. All the best with your repair!
@ 11.25 minutes, your drill body is forcing your bit to drill thru the frame @ an angle. This will affect your level on the intended outrigger, which I believe is important. I'll be buying extended bits to drill my 2019 Anniversary model. My frame from the trailer to the tongue looks to be angled upwards also. The welds to the mainframe still look unchanged. I see you have a video on this too.
YOU are a lifesaver. EXACTLY what I meant. MUCH Respect, my friend.
Glad the video was helpful. We should never have had to do these fixes.
Hi John thanks for the thorough video, although my pod did not have a sag I added them as a precaution. I noted my early install in the RPOD Owners Forum where I installed these outriggers as well, I placed the outriggers under the nylon rollers that the slide out uses to move, figured the downward pressure of the slide is more significant on the rollers. Re attaching the screws using the two holes to the outer edge of the outriggers, I debated about how to attach the edge of the outrigger to the slide out frame since FR had added these holes i figured they were doing this on later models (no instructions from FR on how to do the install) i decided to carve out of the aluminum channel a place to slip the outrigger into, I cut out just the lip of the channel not the whole channel, not sure if this was really necessary but went ahead and did it. I did add two screws into the edge of the channel and into the outer slide out frame. Also i did order 4 additional outriggers for the door side, not sure if I will add all 4 to that side or just 3 and instead install a 5th one to the slide out side a foot or so back from the front leading edge near the welded angle iron that is used to attach the floor of the pod to the frame. Similar to where you installed one. Your thoughts on where to install the outriggers on the door side, i figure one directly under the step, and then evenly spaced in front of the fender?
John, thanks for sharing how you went about installing the outriggers. On my 179, the two step brackets act as outriggers and extend to the outer wall as far as I can tell. I was contemplating adding three door-side outriggers equidistant from the step to the front of the trailer, approximately 31.5" inches apart (exact measurements are on my diagram on my docs & downloads page, last two pages on the Outrigger Install doc): johnmarucci.com/docs-downloads/
Thanks!
@@JohnMarucci thanks John, re the door side outriggers, I do see now that I crawled under the pod that the steps do act as outriggers since they are attached to the frame and extend to the edge of the wall, thanks for the insight! I will attach three outriggers forward of the wheel/fender similar to how you laid out in your installation pdf much obliged!
Sounds like a good plan, all the best!
Thanks again, John! I think I’ll be doing this in the spring.
It isn’t too difficult. Glad the video was helpful!
Great video. Now to contact FR and order the outriggers. After looking at our Pod, I don't think we have a single outrigger on there.
There a many people who have had outriggers fabricated if FR doesn’t respond. Try the R-Pod owners forum: rpod-owners.com
I’ve been anticipating this video! You’re the man John!
Question: did you think about welding on the outriggers?
I didn't consider welding given the use of the through bolts in the top hole. These should provide plenty of pull-out strength for the outriggers. I suppose if you can weld or know someone who can, there is no reason not to do this. I suppose the most sturdy solution would be to use through bolts and weld, but at some point it is over engineering for the issue. I have seen some solutions that are very heavy, but may be more than needed vs putting the Forest River outriggers closer together with through bolts. We'll see how mine holds up and you definitely need to be comfortable with the solution you choose. Thanks!
@@JohnMarucci I've "heard" welding if not done right can weaken the frame. I had some heavy outriggers made but concerned the top hole might be a bit high (another frame strength concern). Do you happen to have a way to measure how far down the top hole is, on the ones you used?
Sorry, I didn't see this reply. I am not near my R-Pod right now to take a measurement. Thanks!
John, I have a 2016 179 and had no idea this is a possible issue. My trailer is at the shop having some maintenance done, but when it gets home I will check for missing outriggers and get them added. My trailer sat idle for a couple of years, but now I am able to use it again and want it to last as long as possible. I use it here in Colorado, Utah ad New Mexico and it works out great for me. Thanks so much for your detailed and thorough presentation and supporting documents.
Glad the video was helpful. There are a bunch of owners in the same boat. Some of them Forest River offered to take the trailer in and fix everything that is at issue structurally. If you want to go this route and contact them, let me know via email: john@johnmarucci.com
Hi John. I am traveling so I cant wait around for Forest River to send me the outriggers. Do you think a length of steel L bracket welded to the frame would provide the same support? thanks so much for the video. I thought the floor had sunk down because I had spilled too much water on the floor😭
I would ask some of the folks on the R-Pod owners forum how they created their custom outriggers. I think there may even be a small fabricator making these now. rpod-owners.com
Hi John! Thanks for you video. I just got 4 outriggers from forest river after contacting them to inquire (that’s how many they sent). I have a 2017 rp180. I have NO outrigger supports at all. I don’t like how the outrigger comes out onto the trim channel that’s made for the vinyl screw cover strip. How is yours holding up? Has it flattened the trim channel? Im considering cutting the ends so they fit inside the trim channel instead of on it.
As to the outer screws on the support. I would recommend to install at least one on each. This would prevent the support from twisting out of place if heavily loaded, like over bumps. (I’m a civil engineer with some structural background.)
Also, I’m curious if you’ve ever heard of anyone using treated lumber as floor support between the frame rails. We’re starting to feel a little flex in our floor in the large gap area. Tank supports help for most of the floor, but in the middle there’s a big unsupported span.
Not sure if you have seen my floor warranty videos and Forest River's solution, but if not, here is the link to the R-pod video list. Look at the two floor warranty videos in the Major Issue section: johnmarucci.com/r-pod-video-list/
As far as outriggers, many people think the FR ones are subpar and are having them manufactured privately. There is a thread on the R-Pod owners forum that speaks to dealing with the trim channel if interested: rpod-owners.com
Thanks!
We have a 2019 R-pod 189 and just recently noticed significant wall sag under the slide out. We had already scheduled some recall work at the local dealer and asked them to look at the issue. After getting a claim number from the service department, we decided to contact the Forest River warranty department and spoke to them at length about the issue. We feel that this is a serious design flaw for which FR should be held accountable. The fender over the tire got so low that a sharp screw on the underside actually scored the tire tread. Our brand new Goodyear Endurance tire is now damaged. For several years owners have had this issue and have shouldered the burden of fixing the issue. Our repair will cost over $1000 to fix since we consider this a serious safety issue we did not consider doing it ourselves. To prove this was design flaw, while at the dealer we looked at the 2022 153 and 202 they had five and seven outriggers on each side. To us, this is an admission of their design flaw. After experiencing this terrible customer service and lack of responsibility for their poor quality design, how could we consider another FR purchase? We strongly feel this sagging wall issue should be a recall like the drain pipe support failure. Sadly, there are other issues such as the flooring support and others...And by the way, did you say that they don't offer an additional year warranty any more? Another way to avoid responsibility?
Many other owners are having the exact problem and FR has offered to take their trailers in to replace axle, floors, etc. I would push FR on this to try and get them to commit to a full fix.
John - truly appreciate your channel and the information it provides. Couple of questions if you happen to know the answers. Any reason, other than cost, that you didn’t use stainless steel hardware? How long did it take, approximately, for each out rigger? Why is it important to have the trailer perfectly flat since you are using a square - that piece didn’t make sense to me. I am looking to do this as a preventative measure. I have not noticed any sag on my 2017 179rp.
Great questions. I used zinc hardware mainly for cost savings. It took about 20+ minutes per outrigger, but keep in mind the first couple took longer as I was working the process. We were also video taping, which added time. I could probably do one in 15-20 minutes each after set up. As far as leveling the trailer to the surface, that’s so the jack isn’t at an angle to the trailer when jacking. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks!
Just purchased a 2018 RP-179 and am really glad I ran into your work. I’ve not even measured yet if I’m sagging or not, but am going to take on this work as its clearly a design miss that needs to be addressed. Question - I have a MIG welding setup and have some experience, would you consider welding vs drilling and bolting the outriggers? Thanks for all the details you offered here. Great job
It’s your call on welding them. Many people do this. You may want to hit the RPod owners site to follow some of the examples people are using. If you can make your own outriggers this would likely be a better solution vs the factory ones. Here is the link to the owners forum: rpod-owners.com
I have a 2017 178 do not see any outriggers, are they supposed to have the ones you are using, everything looks good.enjoy your video's
Ron, if you don’t see outriggers on the frame under the trailer, use a combination square to see if the floor is sitting square to the frame. The 179 has more weight on the slide out than your model, so you may not have an issue. If not, then it is your call to do the job proactively or just monitor it. Thanks!
I have a 2018 RP179 and have no out riggers at all on either side. Is this normal?
I also have the 2017 178 and was wondering same…. I’ll likely add the outriggers to be safe.
It is tough to say when FR put how many outriggers on what models and during what model years. I've heard from some people that they have several, while others have none. I think the safest way is to go under your R-Pod and diagram out everything in terms of bracing that goes from the frame tube to the outer wall, then plan accordingly. Hope everyone has info they need to work a fix as you see fit. Thanks again!
Thank you for this.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video!
I noticed the outriggers go directly to the edge of the trailer sandwiching the trim between the floor and bracket. Has that caused any issues to the trim itself?
I haven't seen any issue with the channel being compressed by the outrigger arm. Some folks have cut the channel for the outrigger arm, I chose not to. I'll keep an eye on mine after using it a few times this spring. Right now the R-Pod is in storage. Thanks!
@@JohnMarucci thanks for the reply! Love the videos!
Thank you John, excellent video. This is the first I've heard of this issue, and I will check our trailer when it comes out of storage. Your description of the poor rPod floor construction (in another video) as the primary cause of this issue...... is disturbing. As a company that's been building trailers for a while you'd think they would know better. How much added cost would they incur by providing wall supports every foot all the way around? Very little...... The Big Three Detroit car manufacturers finally woke up and fixed their poor quality issues. It would be nice if the trailer manufacturers would do the same.
Robert, it is also a mystery to me. It seems that they skimped putting outriggers on the model years in 2016-2018 for some reason. Like cost cutting. Thanks!
I might have missed this but do you know what year they started putting outriggers on from factory? Looking @ a 2019 RP180. Thank you! I've binged watched your videos. Awesome content, very informative. Also I've read through quite a few of your comment pages and you seem to reply to everyone's questions/ comments. That's some dedication and very impressive.
I do not know which model year they began fixing the issue at the factory. I have been getting feedback from several people but it’s just not all that clear when the factory began adding more outriggers. The newest models don’t seem to be missing any. 2019 is a hard call to make. Can you have the seller take a few pictures under the frame to see? Thanks for the nice comments about the videos in general. We try to create helpful content and it’s good to hear that folks appreciate the material. All the best in 2022!
Very impressive.
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Great job, John...my outriggers should be here this week. One question: your drawing shows you added an outrigger within the limits of the fender...obviously, the wheel and tire need to be removed, anything else I should be aware of...? Other than the front corners, my 2018 179 has no other outriggers....thanks...
Dennis, I didn't have to remove the wheel for the outrigger closer to the axle, just temporarily removed a few wiring harness brackets. It was far enough away from the axle that I could still get the drill in that spot. Getting leverage on that one was a bit more difficult, but doable. Thanks!
Great video, thanks! I have ordered and received the outriggers for my 2018 179 and will start to install when we have some dry days. I was curious if you considered cutting out the aluminum channel to be able to place the upper edge of the outrigger tightly against the underside? If you did consider it can you tell me why you ended up not doing it? I have been going back and forth on this issue.
I did consider cutting the channel but didn't want to introduce another entry point for moisture or weaken the rail. Others have done this. I didn't add fasteners to the wall rail because I felt the shelf the outriggers rest on seem very sturdy without them. I will revisit it in the Spring once I start using the R-Pod again. For now it is in storage with the new outriggers supporting the wall. So I may add them yet. Thanks!
Very well done video. I was wondering your overall cost for this project.
Harley, great question. I had most of the tools and supplies, so it would be much more expensive if you had to buy the tools. I did buy the outriggers from Forest River, eight with shipping for about $45. I also bought a new drill bit ($9 or so) and 6-ton bottle jack ($33) and the bolts, nuts and washers (close to $30). I had the Rustoleum paint ($12) and Teks screws ($8) from another project. So over $100 for sure. Thanks!
@@JohnMarucci Thanks John
Glad to help!
Don’t ya hate it when the bit snaps!…. As always great step by step install .
Glad the video was helpful!
John, Great video. I checked my RPOD 179 and the floor to the trailer beam is not square. I emailed Forest River and currently they don’t have the parts and they are not sure they will get them. They suggested that I contact my dealer, which I will tomorrow. If I cannot purchase them, I am considering making my own out of angle iron and welding them together. By any chance do you know what the width of the bracket is and the gauge of the steel? The height and width dimensions I can get from the trailer. Thank you.
Arnold, I don’t have access to the Pod or outriggers just now, but there are a few owners who have made their own outriggers. I’d point you to the owners forum to get dimensions: rpod-owners.com
Great video, where did you order the out riggers from?
Ordered directly from RPod, but I’m hearing they are having supply issues.
What ate the dimensions of the outriggers, l will be making ky own@@JohnMarucci
@@stevenreed6508 Mine were the Forest River issued ones. I'd recommend asking on the R-Pod forum, as many of the folks there did customer outriggers and could give better build dimensions: rpod-owners.com
Hi John. I hope you are still replying to these post. I checked my Rpod 180 and it is not square. I received the out riggers from Forest river. I jacked the sid wall of the Pod till the tire was off the ground and that did not raise the floor. What am I doing wrong. Thanks
Glen, I don't think you are doing anything wrong. I have heard some people have this same problem when attempting to jack up the wall. I did not have this issue but you may want to inquire on the owner's forum to see how others have dealt with this: rpod-owners.com
Thanks, John. My dealer ordered the outriggers for me and they came in about 3 weeks.
I have a question: When you square up the walls and floor with the frame, the outrigger hits the outer rail, causing a gap between the outrigger and the floor. How did you overcome this problem, or is the gap okay?
I left the gap. Others have either notched out the rail, cut short the outrigger or added a shim under the outrigger so it sits down the same width as the rail. I didn't like any of those options and will see how my solution works over time. I can always do one of these if needed. Thanks!
@@JohnMarucci Thank you,, John. I greatly appreciate all the help you have given me with the videos.
Hi John, When my 2018 RP180 driver's side wall started sinking, I reached out to Forest River. They wouldn't send the outriggers, saying my coach needs the floor replaced, the frame replaced and the axle replaced at the factory. None of these are damaged, I even sent photos to prove it. The western rep said she'd "try to look at them in the next few weeks" There just isn't any support on the slide wall and now it's sinking. No support from Forest River either apparently. WHere did you get your outriggers?
I did mine about a year ago and bought them from Forest River directly. I've heard that they stopped selling them since then. Many owners have them fabricated by a local metal shop at this point. You may have already asked on the owners forum. Several people there have fabricated their own. rpod-owners.com
@@JohnMarucci they are just telling me it’s because the RPod axles had too much torsion on them coming from the factory. And outriggers won’t work to level the wall sag. And Tina says has to authorize the parts being sent which she won’t do.
Several people on the R-Pod 179 FB group have had FR take the trailer in and fix the axle, floor and walls, even though it is out of warranty. It may be worth a try if you haven't asked already.
They say will transport it to their facility to replace the frame, chassis and axle as well as fix damage to the coach.. Pretty generous of them I think.
I would likely take them up on the offer. If you go to sell the trailer at some point, this is definitely something to mention that would elevate the value of the trailer.
Are the Outriggers available elsewhere since Forrestvile doesn't sell them anymore
You’ll likely need to have them fabricated if Forest River won’t sell them. Several people have had them fabricated. You’ll want to ask on the R-Pod owners forum: rpod-owners.com
My tv dealer was able to order them from FR based on the part number. They said FR seemed very familiar with this and I had them within a week.
John your postings are full of great information for all.
But one thing I always keep in mind….. never buy a Forest River product
I’ll avoid them as well, at least until they move to composite flooring and quality improves.
The edge of the wall has some aluminum trim that the outer edge of the Outrigger rests upon. Maybe a quarter of an inch thick. When you square the frame to the sub-floor underneath, you are not including this. Would this actually give you a little extra lift? Possibly a good thing over time? My question is, did the aluminum trim ever start to collapse from the slide-out weight over time? If so, would it be worth its to insert a 1/4 spacer along the top of the Outrigger prior to install? Do you or anyone here know how many are needed for the RP180? Thank you!
People have done different things to compensate for the aluminum trim strip you mention. Some have notched the trim strip with a Dremel, which I thought might introduce water issues over time. Others added a spacer like you mentioned. Some people cut the outrigger arm short of the trim strip or had the outrigger fabricated as such. I did non of these and in the short run it didn't seem to damage anything. However, the trailer was sold last April, so I can't speak to how they've held up after much use. There are several threads about the outriggers on the rpod-owners.com forum if interested. Thanks!
We have a 2019 190 Hood River (blue) and noticed some sag on the slide side. We contacted the dealer and factory about installing and/or ordering outriggers as a preventive measure and sent them a set of photos.
They state that the problem has to do with an over torsioned axle and that outriggers are a preventive measure but won't fix the problem. They are offering to return the unit to the Hood River factory to repair the problem. Forest River will cover shipping and repair--we just have to sign a release. We are the second owner, and the unit isn't covered by any warranty that I am aware of. Any thoughts or have you heard of this?
I have heard that they are doing this for some people even if the unit is out of warranty. I would take them up on the offer if it is no cost to you. If you ever sell it, you can advertise this factory fix. Thanks!
Hi John, I'm having trouble ordering outriggers through my local Forest River dealer. Any chance you could add the outriggers to your Amazon store?
I don't have access to these to put them on my storefront. Several people have had them made. I would ask on the owners forum for the company who fabricates them as special orders: rpod-owners.com
@@JohnMarucci I was able to find the outriggers with a larger Forest River dealer who will ship. Thank you for all you do. Your videos have increased our confidence as Rpod owners and therefore increased our enjoyment.
Glad you were able to find the outriggers. Thanks for the kind words!
I will probably use a welding maching to install the outriggers.
Sounds like a good plan. I know others have made their own and welded. The rpod-owners.com forum is a good resource for these mods.
John, do you recall (or your best guesstimate) the actual physical dimensions of the outrigger (Part # F100140948 FORMED OUTRIGGER) that you installed?
Unfortunately, I no longer have the R-Pod to look at. You may want to ask StephenH on the RPod owners forum as he is installing some custom outriggers right now: rpod-owners.com
@@JohnMarucci Thank you John !! Safe travels..... 😁
After closer look I see my 2016 slide is not over the frame as the 2017 1/2. My issue is the front end of slide extends a bit to far and a twist on front end part to the point it separates the interior trim. I have pics but not sure how to share on this forum. I'm wondering is there an adjustment for this.Thanks John
Feel free to email any pics to me at: "john@johnmarucci.com"
Is there anyway you can send me a direct link of where I can buy outriggers
There is no direct link. I got mine from Forest River but they don't appear to be selling them to customers anymore. There is a supplier that people on the Facebook group are using, but most people are now having a local shop custom weld them for the application. Sorry.
@@JohnMarucci I got ya. But thanks for the info. I found your videos to be very helpful on things I did not know. Just got my 179 a couple weeks ago but it’s in good shape. First thing I did was check the walls after discovering your videos and yup she’s sagging. But I will build custom outriggers. Thanks a lot.
It states on the Forest River site to contact a dealer for parts. Is this what everyone did?
I contacted Forest River but I am hearing they are not providing outriggers anymore. Feel free to email me if you want the contact info and want to try anyway. email to: john@johnmarucci.com
Great video, thanks John.
We have a 2017 178 and after checking I find that my floor is also sagging on the slide side, door side is perfectly square.
I am at the point where I am ready to install the outriggers but have ran into a problem.
when I place the hydraulic jack under the side wall that is sagging it only moves the floor and wall up about 1/4" after that the whole trailer is being lifted. This leaves the floor and frame about 1/4" off of being square but the floor and wall will not move any higher.
any ideas?
I assume your slide is in and that you are jacking directly under the slide somewhere. What length board are you using to disperse the lift of the jack?
@@JohnMarucci yes the slide is in and the jack is just left of center under the slide. I have a 12" length of 1/4" angle iron that I thought would work.
Okay, that should do it. Not sure why a sagging wall won’t lift to square. I’ll have to point you to some of the experts on the owners forum to ask there. Sorry that I don’t have further ideas on what to try… rpod-owners.com
@@JohnMarucci not a problem John, thanks for responding. I'll check out the other forum and see if anyone has any ideas. Yeah I've been scratching my head over this most of the afternoon after I saw what was happening. It's like the slide is holding the wall down.
I am just starting the outrigger installation and I am running into the same issue. The angle between the floor and the wall of the beam is 87 degrees. I started to Jack up the wall and the entire side of the trailer is being raised, not the wall itself, so I can’t get it back to 90 degrees. I’ve tried this at 3 different locations along the side of the bump out and the angle never changes, it just lifts the whole side of the trailer.
I'm wondering about the tire on that side and if you removed the tire and/or fender to get at that area.
Jim, I didn’t need to pull the wheel to install. Here is a link to the document I put together with diagrams: johnmarucci.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/R-Pod-Outrigger-Installation-1.pdf
@@JohnMarucci And the reason you think you needed to make the trailer level before starting to lift the frame?
Yep, I want to make sure the jack sits perpendicular to the frame as I am jacking up the frame. There is a lot of lift from the jack, so I don't want it off kilter in any way. My driveway is not flat, so I needed to make sure the jack wouldn't move on me. Thanks!
I just bought 6 outriggers. My 2016 has zero. I just came in from jacking the camper up, and it does not square up the floor to the frame. Odd......😮
That can happen. A bunch of people on the R-Pod owners forum have installed these with this exact situation. You’ll want to inquire how they handled it. rpod-owners.com
Thanks, John, much appreciated.
Anyone looking into a class action to get Forest River to provide the parts @ no charge?
How much are they selling them for?
I haven't heard of any legal action. I paid about $4 per outrigger + shipping. Eight outriggers cost about $45 with shipping. Thanks!
Harold Davis replied in John's previous video about the sag problem that the factory arranged to have the outriggers send to his local dealer and installed at no charge, he call under "goodwill". I am going to look into also doing this. If they are won't I might mention people are talking about forming a class action about it and it should also include a fix for the floor sag John and many other owners have seen.
@@mhfnet I wonder if the dealer will do an adequate job. The Fix they had for the backwater tank drain tube did not seem the best. although that was due to the quality of the hangar itself.
Not having that corner welded is a weakness of its own. Probably cheaper to have fabricated with thicker and better quality metal.
Which corner are you talking about? The ones in the video Forest River provided. Many people are having their own fabricated given they are cheap.
@@JohnMarucci are you aware of any 3rd party outriggers that are better than the FR ones? Going to order soon.
Grey job. Now I know, where the vattle lies. .y slidout just crashed to the floor.
Glad the video was helpful!