As a wheelchair user, I often get well meaning people trying to 'help' me without asking what I need or if I need anything! I've had people grab onto my wheelchair handles and try to push me places I don't want to go, pray for me and even lay hands on me! These self-righteous people do these acts purely for themselves and their own gratification. I'm a secondary thought at best! I'm a born again Christian so I try to be gracious but it's clear that these people do these things for themselves and so they can tell their friends that 'they helped a wheelchair woman today'. It's self serving.
I use a wheelchair too. I'm grateful when people offer to help me. I encourage you to let go of the cynicism, it's very toxic and will never benefit you.
I first knew of Beth Moore in 2010, when an acquaintance showed me a Beth Moore "bible study" the womens group at her church was following. My jaw practically hit the ground. Couldnt beleive there would be anyone who thought the con-woman even christian. The picture is worse than that, however: it was the Southern Baptist Convention that promoted the con-woman for almost 2 decades.
I appreciate that this story about brushing the stranger's hair is more about entertainment than substance. I appreciate the idea that acting on inner impressions and feelings could be dangerous and impulsive. It could also lead to self-aggrandizement, a boastful "God spoke to me" pattern and wild goose chases based on random thoughts that pass through the mind. However, I wonder if these teachers or someone could explain to me whether people in this belief system pray for wisdom or guidance and how that answer comes to them, if an answer does come. It seems they are saying that the only part of the process is reading scripture. So, scripture seems to indicate that helping others, visiting the sick, and giving and sharing are required. I don't think anybody would question that. So, let's say a Christian knows of someone who is sick and needs help. Let's say in this case it isn't a stranger somewhere. Let's say the person is already a Christian so evangelism isn't the goal. So, this is a Christian friend and relative who is ill and we are praying for that person. We are praying for the person's well-being, for the strength to be with the person in a frightening situation, and for wisdom of how to help the person. Would it be okay to make that prayer first of all? Or any parts of that prayer? So, let's say the teachers here or someone else agrees that all or part of such a prayer is okay. How would the answer come to the Christian who wants to help? A feeling of peace? A nudging to do something financially for the person? The remembrance, suddenly in their mind of a particular scripture that might help the person? Would any of those experiences be okay or would those experiences be equivalent to saying that God was giving a personal revelation and therefore this would be a non-scriptural experience? I mean the experience of feeling nudged to help financially, to share a scripture or the feeling of peace and strength coming over us as we go forward to try and help. Would any of those experiences be okay, or would those be dangerous experiences that would put us on the path to apostasy? What I am asking, in the approach the Fortis Institute is advocating, do any internal experiences, thoughts and inclinations connect the believer to God, or is the mind just empty? Does one robotically obey scripture without any personal guidance ever?
Perfect example of why God doesn't want women to be preacher/teachers. In this video, Beth Moore acts like an hysterical teenager at her first sleep-over with her girl friends and chatters away about how God told her to approach and groom a strange man. If this really happened, I can't imagine what people in the area thought about it. I hope they didn't make the connection that she thought she was representing Jesus Christ. This is demeaning to the dignity and character of God. Painful to watch.
Well, if they were really being directed by God why are they seeking their reward in the praise of men by broadcasting their 'personal revelation'? Or maybe they just want people to say "oh cool, they are so godly that they get direction from God, I wish I could be like that." If it is personal direction, why tell other people?
Because they feel it's important? I've met a few Christians who insisted that God talked to them. Heard preachers on the radio say the same thing. Seen a few on YT. They feel they're strengthening your faith by telling you about their 'encounter' with God. I'm not saying such accounts are genuine, and you may be onto something with your own conclusions about this, but I wouldn't discard their motives outright. When people are "on fire for the Lord", they say a lot of stuff -- and there are times that what they say either isn't scriptural, or turns out not to be true. And then, sometimes it does turn out to be scriptural and true. This is why Christians need to test everything, and have discernment. Test everything.... Prove all things.
Just pointing out an inconsistency. She first had to practically yell at the man that she had to brush his hair. Then at the end she quietly asks if he knows Jesus. It may have been better to shout out, ‘Do You Know Jesus?’ Then others would at least hear His Holy name. Just sayin. She sounds like a standup comedian.
She is in the role of a Pastor. The Bible specifically says that women can not hold that role. And people are questioning whether she is doing it wrong?
Soren Kierkegaard was talking about the vanity and pleasure inherent in rationalizing God, the gospel, and faith. He was countering the German Idealism of the 19th century. He shouldn’t be grouped with THESE folks who talk about the irrationality of faith. It’s very likely None of them have a clue who Kierkegaard was anyway.
My mom is a pastor and she teaches that Sunday is the new Christian sabbath. And that is not true the sabbath was never changed by God it is the church that changed the sabbath in 321a.d.
Matt 18 is prettyclear that if you have an issue with someone, go to that person in private and talk to them. If you have concerns for a fellow believer, go talk to that person in love rather than take to the airways for all to see. We all fall short. We are supposed to build each other up.
Matt 18 is speaking about how Christians are to handle disagreements that come up between individual Christians. However, someone like Beth Moore is a public figure and what she says publicly effects many people in the body. Matt 18 in not about calling out false teachers. Paul called out false teachers by name publicly.
That Scripture is taken out of context of the real meaning , If you drink any poisonous thing or bitten by a poisonous snake , Does not mean if you play with those things ,When satan tried to tempt Jesus he answered ( It is written you shall not tempt your Lord thy God )
While I do agree this is wild, and she seems wacky. How do people know their calling if God does not tell them? Whether by words, visions, or other means, how would pastors understand where they are going? God gave me a word to tell someone and the word came to pass. I have been given a word and it came to pass. God does use people to speak to others.
Have you ever given a word that you thought you got from God and it didn't come to pass? There have been many people who believed they got the calling from God to become a pastor but discovered later that it wasn't so and they left the ministry. There's only one sure way to know that God is speaking to you and that's by reading the bible.
@Brenda-qo4ko You are absolutely correct. The Bible tells us before passing along a word from God, we are to pray and read the Bible to make sure it is Scriptural and to wait for confirmation. I admit there has been times that God has given me a word and I didn't test it those ways, but it was a confirmation for someone else.
@@Brenda-qo4ko There's a difference between "new revelation" and God speaking to a person in some way. There also is the gift of prophecy, which i think is rarer than a lot of Christians want to admit, but it is indeed a spiritual gift, and Paul, who talked about it, nowhere said "write it down and add it to the canon of scripture."
Weird is not well received by the audience. Apparently, this man accepted the hair brushing, it is possible that he accepted it as "angelic", or even "miraculous". Is God against "showmanship"? Perhaps, if he thinks that it is in his service?
I get sad when we have to declare good evil, and God's works through some as if it was heresy, just because it doesn't fit our thesis. God is bigger. I have seen so many miraculous appointments like this, it absolutely happens. It only happens to those who have that particular gifting and relationship with the Lord - it's not better or worse, it's just another functional part of the body. This is what happened with Saul and Ananias. And to complain about her lack of urgency... God knows his timing and knows us and our 'patterns' but He has the timing figured out. Jonah - was He wrong? Was he a bad person for delaying Ninevah? Because Jesus used that delay as a prophecy and sign about his death and resurrection.. Wretched, indeed! Y'all are better than this. We listen to God, that's what we do, with Scripture as the only foundation, not our opinions or presumptions or filters.
She said God was speaking to her heart. That’s how I feel when I’m being convicted during a sermon. I think you guys are knit picking everything. Give Christians credit for having a brain and discernment.
Nit picking are you serious right now?! God did not speak to Beth Moore’s heart, and tell her not to witness to him to brush his hair! So I guess it would be nitpicky to say that Beth Moore is disobeying God by preaching, when Paul clearly says, it is a command of the Lord that the men are to teach & the women are to keep quiet meaning in the church, meaning- a formal congregation setting only men are to teach & be the head of the local body?!?!?!?!
It’s GOOD for them to warn others this way it’s not nit picking, Satan & demons deceive people into thinking they are hearing from God, demons could easily have told Beth Moore to do this…either way this woman has proved over & over to have bad fruit.
Hey, sis, you gotta do better than this. Pres.Abe said,"You can fool some people some of the time but but not all the people all the time." Thankfully, our present generation is a lot smarter than their parents and are now simply amused by your rantings and drama.
Jeremiah 17:9-10 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD searches the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."
Saying that Beth should have just asked the man if he needed any help…..is not easy for that man to say yes, can you brush my hair! That is embarrassing because someone may say NO! But this way….this man knew that God knew his own thoguhts in that he did not look presentable and sent Beth to make it so easy for him by asking the if she could comb his hair. That right there would draw this man closer to God…..because he will say to himself that God heard his thoughts and caused this random woman to come and ask such an odd question has to be God. Also saying he had a comb so why didn’t he comb his own hair. if he was in hospital he obviously could not do it, after my labour my hair was in so much knots from pushing upwards that I could not comb the tangles out. It took days before I had the strength, energy or mind to pick up a comb and make that a priority because I knew it would take a long time and careful attention to get each tangle out. I find these two men are doubters and lack faith. They doubt God can speak to you personally. The scripture is full of God speaking to people personally. Yet they doubt God can speak to Beth. It is a testimony to hear that God speaks to people and people can hear it and obey. Hearing these stories from people is what made me move to my next step of just reading about Christ to expecting Him to speak back. Getting answers and very unique stories just like the one Beth said happen to me made my walk with God grow exponentially. God is real and He speaks. Why these men are sitting back and judging her so harshly is a waste of time. They could have spent their time praying and reading scripture to stop being so legalistic and take a step of faith into experiencing God’s power themselves. I can tell you one thing….these men doubt that God can speak personally because they have never experienced it themselves. If you have that powerful walk with God you would not be tripping over Beth’s story and baffled that God spoke to her!!!
Totally agree! This was hard to watch. I cringed the whole time. I don’t even like Beth Moore and I found them to be small minded and judgmental. God speaks to me personally. When He has amazing things have happened. A man/a stranger was very rude to me. I wanted to turn away, ignore him… but I turned to God and asked what do you want me to do? God said, “Love him.” I was so alarmed. I gathered myself and told the man, “I’m sorry if life’s not going well or you’ve had a bad day…” and that changed everything! He asked why I softened to him when he’s been rude and I said, “I wanted to ignore you to be honest, I’m not this patient. It was God… he told me to love you.” The man’s disposition changed and we talked all day about his hardships and he told me how badly he needed God in his life. We ended the day praying for one another. It was incredible. God doesn’t always call us to evangelize. Agree, these guys in this video have very little understanding about how God moves.
Savraj6 ….Thank you for your reply! I agree, it was so cringe to watch and so incredibly small minded. Clearly these people are living in following a religion without actually fostering a real life back and forth relationship with God. I loved your example and it reminded me of a similar example that happened to me. I pulled into my work parking lot early in the morning and was one of maybe 5 cars in the parking lot high had about 120 spots open. Another staff member pulled in and as I was parking I could see that she was screaming in her car and hitting her steering wheel! She got out and reamed me out saying she normally parks there. No one has designated spots and it was an open parking lot with free spots to the left and right and everywhere! She screamed at me. I said there are lots of other spots and then walked away into the building. I was going up the flight of stairs and then began to think “how dare she, she doesn’t own this parking lot, that is not her spot, she has no right to yell at me….I AM GOING TO GIVE HER A PEACE OF MY MIND BACK”. So I actually stopped on the stairs and thought I am going to wait right here until she walks in and give her a peace of my mind. Instead, the Lord spoke to me right then and said “an act of kindness is my love and my way”. It hurt my own flesh and mind to suddenly in my anger reverse paths. When I looked from the stairs into the parking lot I could see she was holding about 5 bags in one hand and 4 in the other making it hard for her to open any door. So I continued to the top of the stairs and opened the door and just waited for her. I let her open the first set of doors and begin walking up the stairs towards me and she looked so afraid because she realized I was standing there at the top waiting for her with the door open. She thought I would ream her out but instead when she got to the top I said “I saw you had a lot of things in your hand and thought I would try to make your day a little better”. She put her head down and walked through. She never even said thank you! But at the end of my day….who walked to my room in the building….to come and talk to me and sincerely apologize….was this lady. She was haunted how I as so nice hike she as so nasty and felt she had to come and apologize. God know how to handle situations wisely and if we listen…we can actually learn how to hear God and catch the moments He speaks!!! These men are too small minded and lack faith so they would rather pick apart and dissect the wrong things. The whole Bible was based on God speaking to humankind. Yet these men think God has suddenly stopped wanting to communicate with mankind.
Hmm, i think the guy with the striped tie is gossiping about Beth and i detect jealousy too and he is laying down snares for her. It's not fair to do this as Christians. God can talk to whoever he wants, All true Christians are a part of the body of Christ and some of us have different gifts. Because of this discussion/video, more people are gonna look at Beth with resentment or even hatred and be led to sin.
If you look at the shots of the Beth's audience, there are men present. So she is violating Paul's command that women should not have authority over men.
You’re both ranting, and should ask God to test your hearts. There are many actual issues with Beth Moores’ teachings and this isn’t even one of them. The guy in the striped tie is so off… I’m cringing. He said, “ he does have to make a harsh judgement sometimes.” No he doesn’t. Make points to support your point and be done. Don’t like how he used the word hobo. His perspective in general is delusional. I think I noticed you continually trying to ground his statements. He’s outdated and knit-picking.
So … bc she is famous you are going to stack her😢look just bc God doesn’t speak to you ( not bc he doesn’t want to but bc you don’t believe he will) Moses got mad of God Joe was mad at God the scripture says that the disciples told Jesus “ there’s some men preaching in your name but don’t belong with us “ so Jesus said,” if they are for me they are not against me “ you need your mind out of the garbage… you see you aren’t spiritual so you can’t see the deepest things of God ! Ok there is not in scripture that says today you would attack Beth Moore!! Is it???
Your theology seems to limit God to revealed truth, i.e. scripture. I think you're putting Him in a box. From my own highly limited experience with God speaking directly to me, which has been just one time in my life, I believe there are times when He does speak to His children directly. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8. John 7: "38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown into the fire and Christ showed up. As Hebrews 13:8 says, Christ is the same today as He was then. Meaning He can show up at times in our lives as He did then. No, it's not scripture. It's how He chooses to work sometimes. You can't put Him in a box. Yes, some abuse this and carry it to a point that is of the flesh and not of God. I believe that, sure. But, I've experienced God directly speaking to me through the Spirit. Very brief, but I knew it was God. I was praying for the salvation of a young man I had witnessed to a week or two prior. God told me he, Jim L., was going to be saved. I didn''t know when or how but I knew it was going to happen. He had been pretty cold when I was witnessing to him. That was in April of 1972 when this occurred. When I signed into the dorm for a room for the Fall semester of college in 1972, someone whispered my name as I was signing in. I turned to see that it was Jim L., the young man God had told me would be saved. We talked. He had been saved during the summer. He asked me for help in his relationship with God. So, I discipled him as I had been discipled by The Navigators. I'm a believer with a southern Baptist theology, but I've experienced the "richest measure of the divine Presence" (1972) and God spoke to me directly during this time. I'll take a lie detector test to try and prove it. (Took such a test in applying for a job at a convenience store in 1984. Failed the test. Why I don't know. I told the truth on all questions. That's why I said I'd "try and prove it". Those tests aren't always reliable.) Does your theology allow for a Christian to experience "the richest measure of the divine Presence"? For a person's body to be "wholly filled and flooded with God Himself"? To experience His Spirit replacing strong anxiety with a strong sense of His love, peace, and security? Here's the scripture for such an experience: Ephesians 3:19 Amplified 19 [That you may really come] to know [practically, through experience for yourselves] the love of Christ, which far surpasses mere knowledge [without experience]; that you may be filled [through all your being] unto all the fullness of God [may have the richest measure of the divine Presence, and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself]! It was during the 3 days this was happening to me that God told me Jim would be redeemed. I didn't find this scripture until sometime in the 1990s, '93 or '95 would be my best guess. I didn't ask for this experience. I wasn't seeking it. I was simply praying to God, both when He filled me with His Presence and when I prayed for Jim and He told me Jim would be saved. I didn't know such things happened to modern day believers. But, I'm speaking the truth, in Christ. Please don't say this is equal to scripture. And I'm not a charismatic. Obey Christ, from the Word, and sometimes Jesus will manifest Himself. he has promised to, John 14:21: John 14: "21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Show? How so? Romans 11:33 33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unfathomable (inscrutable, unsearchable) are His judgments (His decisions)! And how untraceable (mysterious, undiscoverable) are His ways (His methods, His paths)! All I can tell ya is when the Spirit fills you with the richest measure of the divine Presence, when your body is wholly filled and flooded with God Himself, you feel it. You can be critical and say I'm all about feelings, which is a lie. When you are obedient to Christ there are times He shows up, as John 14:21 states. In what manner He shows up is His decision, not mine or yours. And being critical of it is being critical of God, Himself, like the Pharisees were critical of Christ.
How do you know that whatever came into your head it was God speaking to you?How do you distinguish between the thoughts that are God speaking to you and ones that aren't?
@@Brenda-qo4ko When God spoke to me it was clear it was Him. And it was very brief. I was shocked when it happened. I wasn't expecting Him to speak directly through the Spirit as I was praying. It was clear and I was certain, but at the same time this had never happened before. What if I was wrong is what I thought. I didn't know things like this happened until then. This "knowing" of a future event came from outside of me, or it wasn't my spirit telling me this, rather it came from the Holy Spirit. I don't know about Beth Moore. But, I do know when people are trying to put God in a box and I know you can't do that. Sign gifts have ceased? Where in scripture does it say that? I don't see it. Are they adding to scripture? You say "into my head". It was more into my heart. It was unmistakeble that it came from the Lord. And then the person I was praying for came up to me at the college dorm as soon as I signed in for a room. Could be a coincidence, but God had told me he would be redeemed. He had been pretty cold when I was trying to witness to him. Now he was very friendly. And he came up to me to tell me he had been saved during the summer. I didn't seek him out, nor know he was at the dorm. Nupe, wasn't a coincidence. Spent the semester discipling him as I had been discipled. Prayer, Bible study, witnessing and fellowship. I was discipled by a current Navigator Staff member. He said, in 1971, God had given him scriptures for a Wife and children. I can't recall if he said God had given him scripture for men to be discipled or not. In 1986 he came for a short visit. We went out to eat at a restaurant. He told me he and his wife were having trouble conceiving and having a child. They had been to more than one doctor and they all (can't recall if it was more than two, but at least two) told them that they couldn't have children. I don't remember the reason or if he told me the reason. He, Bob, repeated what he had told me in 1971, that he had received a promise for children. He was believing God and not what the docs were telling him. Bob always had a remarkable faith. He journaled his prayer requests, expecting answers. He was always "about the Father's business". Within 18 or so months they had their first of four children. Coincidence is what someone with no faith would say. I think God made it happen. If a person doesn't believe God will speak to them, He may not. It does require faith. Another incident when God showed up: I was at a Navigator conference somewhere in Texas. I think this was in 1972. I recall being seated with around 50 to 75 other men. They were showing the film "The Dirty Dozen" and trying to tie that in with team work. After that a man by the name of Jim White spoke to us. He had been a Navigator missionary to Africa for about four years. He was angry and it showed. He felt the staff at the conference were using fleshly means to influence all of us. As he spoke, it seemed like God was speaking through Him. I'm not sure if a rush of wind came through the room or if that's just my imagination. I was going to keep this to myself but right after Jim stopped talking several guys around me said, "did you sense that?!!" to other guys close to them. Then everyone began talking about it. So, God showed up, again, and it was witnessed by more than a dozen guys, could have been most of the room. I could talk about other events but people already think I''m loony tunes so I won't.
@@Brenda-qo4ko Btw, what God was pleased to reveal in me was His Spirit. He blessed me with what Ephesians 3:19 Amplified calls "the richest measure of the divine Presence", "a body wholly and fully filled with God Himself. " That wasn't in my head, but it filled my body for 3 days, and that was unmistakably from God. If a person experiences that there is no question to them what it is.
Apostate . Beth Moore How can she be on stage preaching when her husband is not saved. and number # 1 . 1 Corinthains Chapter 14 v 33-37. she is following Chasmatic teaching.
of course they came of their own free will i know that, but YES I will blame her for preaching to men bc the word clearly tells us that women are not to be preaching/pastoring to men. @@ella-vm6vf
@@GodsFaithfulServant Beth Moore said many times, she is not a preacher and would never try to assume that office. She was invited on Mothers Day to speak at her son-in-law church, she was not trying to take a pastrolar position as it was misconstrued. Here is her sin, she did not support Donald Trump for president, and she had been trying to get the SCB Convention to seriously look into sex abuses in the Southern Baptist churches, and they were dragging there feet, and was resenting her pushing for the investigation for good reason, there was multiple sex abuse in the churches as it was finally revealed. So before judging this woman so harshly check the facts, not the smear campaign waged against her.
Yeah, he did. He also didn't stop there, he continued to teach and emphasize on hypocritical judgement. Definitely, we will have to exercise discernment. In the same chapter, he spoke about identifying false teachers by their fruit. That requires some discerning and judging, however not a hypocritical condemning judgement. Over here, they are not putting Beth as a false teacher tho, however they're paying close attention and sounding caution to some of her teachings
@srpennell --- If you had actually read the Holy Bible you would have read what Jesus said in many situations. In this case He commanded us to JUDGE with righteous judgement. He frequently told various Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees that they were like white-washed graves full of dead men's bones. That sure reads to me that Jesus DID judge people. After the accusers of the woman taken in the act of adultery (but not the man), Jesus said a few words to her accusers and writing in the dirt... they left. Did Jesus tell the woman to go back to being an adulteress? No. He told her to go and sin no more! The Epistles are full of warnings and commands that false teachers, bad preachers and false prophets are to be exposed and kicked out of the congregation.
It is no wonder that women were the first at the cradle and last at the Cross. They had never knew of a man like this, a prophet and teacher who never nagged at them, who never flattered or coaxed or patronized: who never made jokes about them. He took their questions seriously, never mapped out their placed for them, had no ax to grind with them; who took them as found them and was completely at ease with them.
.It wasn't human dung The Lord says go ahead and use cow dung... And he didn't tell Peter to eat all them unclean foods. It was all about the gentiles. Three times to sheet was lowered three gentiles at the door. Peter repeated his vision three times. I'm surprised they made these mistakes
11Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin: from time to time shalt thou drink. 12And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. 13And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them. 14Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth. 15Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith. Sorry, but scripture said God first said to use human dung and then God said to go ahead and use cow dung.
What’s the discrepency??? I think Beth Moore is false teacher but I don’t see anything wrong with her story. God speaks to his people asking us to show kindness all the time. His hair was matted, she brushed it, it turned out he had a need of this and was going to be presentable for his wife. The stewardess was ministered to by Beth saying Jesus had me do it. That is a seed planted because the woman could want the love to overflow from her too and could go on to seek Jesus. I think her message could be perceived as do as God commands you, He will use it reach people. Not everyone we meet needs to be evangelized. Some people know God and need His touch.. to feel His love at times. We can be His hands and feet in all instances.
@@Brenda-qo4ko Distinguishing the difference can be done by taking what she believes God is speaking to her, and see if it goes against or aligns with scripture. Jesus himself lists several examples of ways to love people. Clothing them, feeding them, visiting them in prison, giving them a drink. Jesus states that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. To see someone in need, and be prompted to help them in a way that doesn't go against scripture, is that unbiblical? She never said "God said we have to comb the hair of people" That would be adding to the Bible, and would be problematic. She said that she was personally assigned a task from God, that doesn't contradict the Word. If they're complaining about the tone of voice Beth had, her trying to be funny, or the body language she uses to tell the story, that says more about them than it does about her. Some people stand still when they speak, and are monotone, and others move and speak dramatically. The has nothing to do with whether or not you're being Biblically accurate. If that's what they're focusing on, they appear to be reaching to make a point, by using an argument that's actually just an opinion of man and not anything related to scripture. If she was blaspheming or going against scripture, they should quote the verse in context and it would be a done deal. No argument necessary. If she had done that, this would have been a 5 minute video, tops, and there would be nothing to debate. Look at Acts 2:17 - “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;" Does this say exactly what men and women will prophesy? Does it say exactly what men will dream and what the visions will be? No, the specifics aren't given. We will know if the dreams and visions are from God by whether or not they hold up to scripture. If they go against scripture, they are clearly false. Again, I'm not saying Beth Moore isn't a false teacher. She very well may be! but this video doesn't give solid evidence and really just makes it look like these guys have an axe to grind.
@@ThomasWashington-z7v I have thoughts that come into my head all the time that don't contradict scripture and align with what's in scripture. But that doesn't mean God is speaking directly to me by downloading thoughts into my head. It means that I'm a Christian who knows what's in scripture and have thoughts that line up with that.
@@Brenda-qo4ko It’s really good to hear that you know the difference between recalling scripture, random thoughts, and God speaking to you. That’s important. As you’ve said, God hasn’t spoken to you, and that’s okay. The fact that you don’t know that he has, most certainly means he hasn’t. But, I digress; The discussion isn’t about you, or me. How did the prophets know God spoke to them and it wasn’t just in their head? How did Noah know that God spoke to him and he wasn’t just making it up or dreaming? They knew because, if God’s going to speak to you, He can make it very clear that it’s Him, and not just a random thought or dream. To say God can’t speak to people, doesn’t speak to people, can’t cause people to have visions or dreams, blatantly goes against the Bible and is in opposition to His word. If God wants you to know it’s from Him directly, He’s fully capable of making it known.
@@ThomasWashington-z7v The point is when it comes to having thoughts the truth is they all come from within us whether they be godly or ungodly. Saying that any thought someone has is a download from God and another one isn't (assuming neither is sinful or ungodly) is arbitrary and subjective.
As a WOMAN myself, I don’t follow ANY woman who puts herself in a pastoral role 🤦🏼♀️ she’s an entertainer AND NOT FUNNY
To me, all of them are entertainers. Great fun to watch.
What do we do with her ? Ignore her, and tell the TRUTH to anyone that tells you they listen to her.
He told Abrham to sacrifice his son. While we know why, I would say that is a pretty weird request.
As a wheelchair user, I often get well meaning people trying to 'help' me without asking what I need or if I need anything! I've had people grab onto my wheelchair handles and try to push me places I don't want to go, pray for me and even lay hands on me! These self-righteous people do these acts purely for themselves and their own gratification. I'm a secondary thought at best! I'm a born again Christian so I try to be gracious but it's clear that these people do these things for themselves and so they can tell their friends that 'they helped a wheelchair woman today'. It's self serving.
I use a wheelchair too. I'm grateful when people offer to help me. I encourage you to let go of the cynicism, it's very toxic and will never benefit you.
Beth Moore reading from the well known Book of This Never Happened.
I first knew of Beth Moore in 2010, when an acquaintance showed me a Beth Moore "bible study" the womens group at her church was following. My jaw practically hit the ground. Couldnt beleive there would be anyone who thought the con-woman even christian. The picture is worse than that, however: it was the Southern Baptist Convention that promoted the con-woman for almost 2 decades.
I was raised SB, I'm suprised by that and I'm not.. churches today bend with the wind.
Speaking as a Southern Baptist, I am praying for Beth to have His discernment.
I appreciate that this story about brushing the stranger's hair is more about entertainment than substance. I appreciate the idea that acting on inner impressions and feelings could be dangerous and impulsive. It could also lead to self-aggrandizement, a boastful "God spoke to me" pattern and wild goose chases based on random thoughts that pass through the mind. However, I wonder if these teachers or someone could explain to me whether people in this belief system pray for wisdom or guidance and how that answer comes to them, if an answer does come. It seems they are saying that the only part of the process is reading scripture. So, scripture seems to indicate that helping others, visiting the sick, and giving and sharing are required. I don't think anybody would question that. So, let's say a Christian knows of someone who is sick and needs help. Let's say in this case it isn't a stranger somewhere. Let's say the person is already a Christian so evangelism isn't the goal. So, this is a Christian friend and relative who is ill and we are praying for that person. We are praying for the person's well-being, for the strength to be with the person in a frightening situation, and for wisdom of how to help the person. Would it be okay to make that prayer first of all? Or any parts of that prayer? So, let's say the teachers here or someone else agrees that all or part of such a prayer is okay. How would the answer come to the Christian who wants to help? A feeling of peace? A nudging to do something financially for the person? The remembrance, suddenly in their mind of a particular scripture that might help the person? Would any of those experiences be okay or would those experiences be equivalent to saying that God was giving a personal revelation and therefore this would be a non-scriptural experience? I mean the experience of feeling nudged to help financially, to share a scripture or the feeling of peace and strength coming over us as we go forward to try and help. Would any of those experiences be okay, or would those be dangerous experiences that would put us on the path to apostasy? What I am asking, in the approach the Fortis Institute is advocating, do any internal experiences, thoughts and inclinations connect the believer to God, or is the mind just empty? Does one robotically obey scripture without any personal guidance ever?
Perfect example of why God doesn't want women to be preacher/teachers. In this video, Beth Moore acts like an hysterical teenager at her first sleep-over with her girl friends and chatters away about how God told her to approach and groom a strange man. If this really happened, I can't imagine what people in the area thought about it. I hope they didn't make the connection that she thought she was representing Jesus Christ. This is demeaning to the dignity and character of God. Painful to watch.
Well, if they were really being directed by God why are they seeking their reward in the praise of men by broadcasting their 'personal revelation'? Or maybe they just want people to say "oh cool, they are so godly that they get direction from God, I wish I could be like that." If it is personal direction, why tell other people?
Because they feel it's important? I've met a few Christians who insisted that God talked to them. Heard preachers on the radio say the same thing. Seen a few on YT. They feel they're strengthening your faith by telling you about their 'encounter' with God. I'm not saying such accounts are genuine, and you may be onto something with your own conclusions about this, but I wouldn't discard their motives outright. When people are "on fire for the Lord", they say a lot of stuff -- and there are times that what they say either isn't scriptural, or turns out not to be true. And then, sometimes it does turn out to be scriptural and true. This is why Christians need to test everything, and have discernment. Test everything.... Prove all things.
Talks like TD Jakes, Kennith Copland and the like
or motormouth white
The sentionalism. The blasphemy as those poor ignorant women sit there and laugh. The wild eyes and comedy. You can tell she feeds off the attention.
She’s a performer.
sounds like self-agrandising and delusion
Just pointing out an inconsistency. She first had to practically yell at the man that she had to brush his hair. Then at the end she quietly asks if he knows Jesus. It may have been better to shout out, ‘Do You Know Jesus?’ Then others would at least hear His Holy name. Just sayin. She sounds like a standup comedian.
Good catch...
She should comb Trumps hair .. 😂
Beth Moore is very similar in her "False Teaching" which is based on "Human Emotions" and not on Biblical Truth...... Yuck!!! Ted Schempp, Nashville
*_Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:_*
*_no man cometh unto the Father, but by me._* *_KJB_*
She is in the role of a Pastor. The Bible specifically says that women can not hold that role. And people are questioning whether she is doing it wrong?
Brushing another's hair is NOT "kinky", certainly not for a woman. Intimate, maybe, but I'm sure caregivers sometimes brush the hair of the elderly.
This conversation has the earmarks of a witch hunt.
No, it doesn't. It has the earmarks of calling out false teaching.
Soren Kierkegaard was talking about the vanity and pleasure inherent in rationalizing God, the gospel, and faith. He was countering the German Idealism of the 19th century. He shouldn’t be grouped with THESE folks who talk about the irrationality of faith. It’s very likely None of them have a clue who Kierkegaard was anyway.
Some in the reformed movement make an idol of their theology and by so doing tell God to shut up and be quiet.
My mom is a pastor and she teaches that Sunday is the new Christian sabbath. And that is not true the sabbath was never changed by God it is the church that changed the sabbath in 321a.d.
Can't believe that believers fall for this
They’re trump supporters what you expect
Can't believe highly educated people continue to fall for this false teachings
Real believers don’t fall for this garbage.
I don't think women should be a pastor
She's a drama queen
Didn't Jesus say "go and make disciples of all nations"? Isn't that what Beth Moore is trying to do?
Here’s what I found regarding Beth Moore.
Matt 18 is prettyclear that if you have an issue with someone, go to that person in private and talk to them. If you have concerns for a fellow believer, go talk to that person in love rather than take to the airways for all to see. We all fall short. We are supposed to build each other up.
Matt 18 is speaking about how Christians are to handle disagreements that come up between individual Christians. However, someone like Beth Moore is a public figure and what she says publicly effects many people in the body. Matt 18 in not about calling out false teachers. Paul called out false teachers by name publicly.
That Scripture is taken out of context of the real meaning , If you drink any poisonous thing or bitten by a poisonous snake , Does not mean if you play with those things ,When satan tried to tempt Jesus he answered ( It is written you shall not tempt your Lord thy God )
Yes!! You ARE "nit picky". Examine your motivation.
While I do agree this is wild, and she seems wacky. How do people know their calling if God does not tell them? Whether by words, visions, or other means, how would pastors understand where they are going? God gave me a word to tell someone and the word came to pass. I have been given a word and it came to pass. God does use people to speak to others.
Agreed
Have you ever given a word that you thought you got from God and it didn't come to pass? There have been many people who believed they got the calling from God to become a pastor but discovered later that it wasn't so and they left the ministry. There's only one sure way to know that God is speaking to you and that's by reading the bible.
@Brenda-qo4ko You are absolutely correct. The Bible tells us before passing along a word from God, we are to pray and read the Bible to make sure it is Scriptural and to wait for confirmation. I admit there has been times that God has given me a word and I didn't test it those ways, but it was a confirmation for someone else.
@@Kell1977 If God is giving you new revelation then you need to be writing it down and adding it to the canon of scripture.
@@Brenda-qo4ko There's a difference between "new revelation" and God speaking to a person in some way. There also is the gift of prophecy, which i think is rarer than a lot of Christians want to admit, but it is indeed a spiritual gift, and Paul, who talked about it, nowhere said "write it down and add it to the canon of scripture."
Weird is not well received by the audience. Apparently, this man accepted the hair brushing, it is possible that he accepted it as "angelic", or even "miraculous". Is God against "showmanship"? Perhaps, if he thinks that it is in his service?
I get sad when we have to declare good evil, and God's works through some as if it was heresy, just because it doesn't fit our thesis. God is bigger. I have seen so many miraculous appointments like this, it absolutely happens. It only happens to those who have that particular gifting and relationship with the Lord - it's not better or worse, it's just another functional part of the body.
This is what happened with Saul and Ananias. And to complain about her lack of urgency... God knows his timing and knows us and our 'patterns' but He has the timing figured out. Jonah - was He wrong? Was he a bad person for delaying Ninevah? Because Jesus used that delay as a prophecy and sign about his death and resurrection..
Wretched, indeed! Y'all are better than this. We listen to God, that's what we do, with Scripture as the only foundation, not our opinions or presumptions or filters.
We listen to her that's what we do. Praise God.
Unfortunately she is a false teacher leading many down a wrong road , women shouldn't be teaching men and using authority over a man
Moore is less.
Seems like these Ministries are more about entertainment then they can take their act on the road.? Did he need his hair brushed??
She said God was speaking to her heart. That’s how I feel when I’m being convicted during a sermon. I think you guys are knit picking everything. Give Christians credit for having a brain and discernment.
Nitpicking! Are you kidding??????????
Nit picking are you serious right now?! God did not speak to Beth Moore’s heart, and tell her not to witness to him to brush his hair! So I guess it would be nitpicky to say that Beth Moore is disobeying God by preaching, when Paul clearly says, it is a command of the Lord that the men are to teach & the women are to keep quiet meaning in the church, meaning- a formal congregation setting only men are to teach & be the head of the local body?!?!?!?!
It’s GOOD for them to warn others this way it’s not nit picking, Satan & demons deceive people into thinking they are hearing from God, demons could easily have told Beth Moore to do this…either way this woman has proved over & over to have bad fruit.
Hey, sis, you gotta do better than this. Pres.Abe said,"You can fool some people some of the time but but not all the people all the time."
Thankfully, our present generation is a lot smarter than their parents
and are now simply amused by your rantings and drama.
Jeremiah 17:9-10 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD searches the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."
Saying that
Beth should have just asked the man if he needed any help…..is not easy for that man to say yes, can you brush my hair! That is embarrassing because someone may say NO! But this way….this man knew that God knew his own thoguhts in that he did not look presentable and sent Beth to make it so easy for him by asking the if she could comb his hair. That right there would draw this man closer to God…..because he will say to himself that God heard his thoughts and caused this random woman to come and ask such an odd question has to be God.
Also saying he had a comb so why didn’t he comb his own hair. if he was in hospital he obviously could not do it, after my labour my hair was in so much knots from pushing upwards that I could not comb the tangles out. It took days before I had the strength, energy or mind to pick up a comb and make that a priority because I knew it would take a long time and careful attention to get each tangle out.
I find these two men are doubters and lack faith. They doubt God can speak to you personally. The scripture is full of God speaking to people personally. Yet they doubt God can speak to Beth. It is a testimony to hear that God speaks to people and people can hear it and obey. Hearing these stories from people is what made me move to my next step of just reading about Christ to expecting Him to speak back. Getting answers and very unique stories just like the one Beth said happen to me made my walk with God grow exponentially. God is real and He speaks. Why these men are sitting back and judging her so harshly is a waste of time. They could have spent their time praying and reading scripture to stop being so legalistic and take a step of faith into experiencing God’s power themselves.
I can tell you one thing….these men doubt that God can speak personally because they have never experienced it themselves. If you have that powerful walk with God you would not be tripping over Beth’s story and baffled that God spoke to her!!!
Totally agree! This was hard to watch. I cringed the whole time. I don’t even like Beth Moore and I found them to be small minded and judgmental. God speaks to me personally. When He has amazing things have happened. A man/a stranger was very rude to me. I wanted to turn away, ignore him… but I turned to God and asked what do you want me to do? God said, “Love him.” I was so alarmed. I gathered myself and told the man, “I’m sorry if life’s not going well or you’ve had a bad day…” and that changed everything! He asked why I softened to him when he’s been rude and I said, “I wanted to ignore you to be honest, I’m not this patient. It was God… he told me to love you.” The man’s disposition changed and we talked all day about his hardships and he told me how badly he needed God in his life. We ended the day praying for one another. It was incredible. God doesn’t always call us to evangelize. Agree, these guys in this video have very little understanding about how God moves.
Savraj6 ….Thank you for your reply! I agree, it was so cringe to watch and so incredibly small minded. Clearly these people are living in following a religion without actually fostering a real life back and forth relationship with God. I loved your example and it reminded me of a similar example that happened to me.
I pulled into my work parking lot early in the morning and was one of maybe 5 cars in the parking lot high had about 120 spots open. Another staff member pulled in and as I was parking I could see that she was screaming in her car and hitting her steering wheel! She got out and reamed me out saying she normally parks there. No one has designated spots and it was an open parking lot with free spots to the left and right and everywhere! She screamed at me. I said there are lots of other spots and then walked away into the building. I was going up the flight of stairs and then began to think “how dare she, she doesn’t own this parking lot, that is not her spot, she has no right to yell at me….I AM GOING TO GIVE HER A PEACE OF MY MIND BACK”. So I actually stopped on the stairs and thought I am going to wait right here until she walks in and give her a peace of my mind.
Instead, the Lord spoke to me right then and said “an act of kindness is my love and my way”. It hurt my own flesh and mind to suddenly in my anger reverse paths. When I looked from the stairs into the parking lot I could see she was holding about 5 bags in one hand and 4 in the other making it hard for her to open any door. So I continued to the top of the stairs and opened the door and just waited for her. I let her open the first set of doors and begin walking up the stairs towards me and she looked so afraid because she realized I was standing there at the top waiting for her with the door open. She thought I would ream her out but instead when she got to the top I said “I saw you had a lot of things in your hand and thought I would try to make your day a little better”. She put her head down and walked through. She never even said thank you! But at the end of my day….who walked to my room in the building….to come and talk to me and sincerely apologize….was this lady. She was haunted how I as so nice hike she as so nasty and felt she had to come and apologize. God know how to handle situations wisely and if we listen…we can actually learn how to hear God and catch the moments He speaks!!!
These men are too small minded and lack faith so they would rather pick apart and dissect the wrong things. The whole Bible was based on God speaking to humankind. Yet these men think God has suddenly stopped wanting to communicate with mankind.
Watching the clips of Beth had the feel of the old soap opera shows. i.e. Acting a part eh! Without a point though.
Hmm, i think the guy with the striped tie is gossiping about Beth and i detect jealousy too and he is laying down snares for her. It's not fair to do this as Christians. God can talk to whoever he wants, All true Christians are a part of the body of Christ and some of us have different gifts. Because of this discussion/video, more people are gonna look at Beth with resentment or even hatred and be led to sin.
Don't God speak to your heart/ Spirit?
Another Ear Tickling Entertainer
Beth Moore is loony
If you look at the shots of the Beth's audience, there are men present. So she is violating Paul's command that women should not have authority over men.
You’re both ranting, and should ask God to test your hearts. There are many actual issues with Beth Moores’ teachings and this isn’t even one of them. The guy in the striped tie is so off… I’m cringing. He said, “ he does have to make a harsh judgement sometimes.” No he doesn’t. Make points to support your point and be done. Don’t like how he used the word hobo. His perspective in general is delusional. I think I noticed you continually trying to ground his statements. He’s outdated and knit-picking.
So … bc she is famous you are going to stack her😢look just bc God doesn’t speak to you ( not bc he doesn’t want to but bc you don’t believe he will) Moses got mad of God Joe was mad at God the scripture says that the disciples told Jesus “ there’s some men preaching in your name but don’t belong with us “ so Jesus said,” if they are for me they are not against me “ you need your mind out of the garbage… you see you aren’t spiritual so you can’t see the deepest things of God ! Ok there is not in scripture that says today you would attack Beth Moore!! Is it???
Ok so these guys are reformists.
Your theology seems to limit God to revealed truth, i.e. scripture. I think you're putting Him in a box.
From my own highly limited experience with God speaking directly to me, which has been just one time in my life, I believe there are times when He does speak to His children directly. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Hebrews 13:8.
John 7:
"38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown into the fire and Christ showed up. As Hebrews 13:8 says, Christ is the same today as He was then. Meaning He can show up at times in our lives as He did then. No, it's not scripture. It's how He chooses to work sometimes. You can't put Him in a box.
Yes, some abuse this and carry it to a point that is of the flesh and not of God. I believe that, sure. But, I've experienced God directly speaking to me through the Spirit. Very brief, but I knew it was God. I was praying for the salvation of a young man I had witnessed to a week or two prior. God told me he, Jim L., was going to be saved. I didn''t know when or how but I knew it was going to happen. He had been pretty cold when I was witnessing to him. That was in April of 1972 when this occurred.
When I signed into the dorm for a room for the Fall semester of college in 1972, someone whispered my name as I was signing in. I turned to see that it was Jim L., the young man God had told me would be saved. We talked. He had been saved during the summer. He asked me for help in his relationship with God. So, I discipled him as I had been discipled by The Navigators.
I'm a believer with a southern Baptist theology, but I've experienced the "richest measure of the divine Presence" (1972) and God spoke to me directly during this time. I'll take a lie detector test to try and prove it. (Took such a test in applying for a job at a convenience store in 1984. Failed the test. Why I don't know. I told the truth on all questions. That's why I said I'd "try and prove it". Those tests aren't always reliable.)
Does your theology allow for a Christian to experience "the richest measure of the divine Presence"? For a person's body to be "wholly filled and flooded with God Himself"? To experience His Spirit replacing strong anxiety with a strong sense of His love, peace, and security? Here's the scripture for such an experience:
Ephesians 3:19 Amplified
19 [That you may really come] to know [practically, through experience for yourselves] the love of Christ, which far surpasses mere knowledge [without experience]; that you may be filled [through all your being] unto all the fullness of God [may have the richest measure of the divine Presence, and become a body wholly filled and flooded with God Himself]!
It was during the 3 days this was happening to me that God told me Jim would be redeemed. I didn't find this scripture until sometime in the 1990s, '93 or '95 would be my best guess.
I didn't ask for this experience. I wasn't seeking it. I was simply praying to God, both when He filled me with His Presence and when I prayed for Jim and He told me Jim would be saved. I didn't know such things happened to modern day believers. But, I'm speaking the truth, in Christ. Please don't say this is equal to scripture. And I'm not a charismatic.
Obey Christ, from the Word, and sometimes Jesus will manifest Himself. he has promised to, John 14:21:
John 14:
"21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
Show? How so?
Romans 11:33
33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unfathomable (inscrutable, unsearchable) are His judgments (His decisions)! And how untraceable (mysterious, undiscoverable) are His ways (His methods, His paths)!
All I can tell ya is when the Spirit fills you with the richest measure of the divine Presence, when your body is wholly filled and flooded with God Himself, you feel it. You can be critical and say I'm all about feelings, which is a lie. When you are obedient to Christ there are times He shows up, as John 14:21 states. In what manner He shows up is His decision, not mine or yours. And being critical of it is being critical of God, Himself, like the Pharisees were critical of Christ.
How do you know that whatever came into your head it was God speaking to you?How do you distinguish between the thoughts that are God speaking to you and ones that aren't?
@@Brenda-qo4ko
When God spoke to me it was clear it was Him. And it was very brief. I was shocked when it happened. I wasn't expecting Him to speak directly through the Spirit as I was praying. It was clear and I was certain, but at the same time this had never happened before. What if I was wrong is what I thought. I didn't know things like this happened until then. This "knowing" of a future event came from outside of me, or it wasn't my spirit telling me this, rather it came from the Holy Spirit.
I don't know about Beth Moore. But, I do know when people are trying to put God in a box and I know you can't do that. Sign gifts have ceased? Where in scripture does it say that? I don't see it. Are they adding to scripture?
You say "into my head". It was more into my heart. It was unmistakeble that it came from the Lord. And then the person I was praying for came up to me at the college dorm as soon as I signed in for a room. Could be a coincidence, but God had told me he would be redeemed. He had been pretty cold when I was trying to witness to him. Now he was very friendly. And he came up to me to tell me he had been saved during the summer. I didn't seek him out, nor know he was at the dorm. Nupe, wasn't a coincidence. Spent the semester discipling him as I had been discipled. Prayer, Bible study, witnessing and fellowship.
I was discipled by a current Navigator Staff member. He said, in 1971, God had given him scriptures for a Wife and children. I can't recall if he said God had given him scripture for men to be discipled or not. In 1986 he came for a short visit. We went out to eat at a restaurant. He told me he and his wife were having trouble conceiving and having a child. They had been to more than one doctor and they all (can't recall if it was more than two, but at least two) told them that they couldn't have children. I don't remember the reason or if he told me the reason.
He, Bob, repeated what he had told me in 1971, that he had received a promise for children. He was believing God and not what the docs were telling him. Bob always had a remarkable faith. He journaled his prayer requests, expecting answers. He was always "about the Father's business". Within 18 or so months they had their first of four children. Coincidence is what someone with no faith would say. I think God made it happen.
If a person doesn't believe God will speak to them, He may not. It does require faith.
Another incident when God showed up:
I was at a Navigator conference somewhere in Texas. I think this was in 1972. I recall being seated with around 50 to 75 other men. They were showing the film "The Dirty Dozen" and trying to tie that in with team work. After that a man by the name of Jim White spoke to us. He had been a Navigator missionary to Africa for about four years. He was angry and it showed. He felt the staff at the conference were using fleshly means to influence all of us. As he spoke, it seemed like God was speaking through Him. I'm not sure if a rush of wind came through the room or if that's just my imagination. I was going to keep this to myself but right after Jim stopped talking several guys around me said, "did you sense that?!!" to other guys close to them. Then everyone began talking about it. So, God showed up, again, and it was witnessed by more than a dozen guys, could have been most of the room.
I could talk about other events but people already think I''m loony tunes so I won't.
@@Brenda-qo4ko
Btw, what God was pleased to reveal in me was His Spirit. He blessed me with what Ephesians 3:19 Amplified calls "the richest measure of the divine Presence", "a body wholly and fully filled with God Himself. "
That wasn't in my head, but it filled my body for 3 days, and that was unmistakably from God. If a person experiences that there is no question to them what it is.
@@donpetty7584 Y'all are delusional.
tl;dr
Apostate . Beth Moore How can she be on stage preaching when her husband is not saved. and number # 1 . 1 Corinthains Chapter 14 v 33-37. she is following Chasmatic teaching.
The first red flag is that she preaches to a mxd congregation when the word clearly tells us that women shd not b preachers/pastors to men.
She didn't kidnap men, and force them to listen to her.
They came of their own free will don't blame her.
of course they came of their own free will i know that, but YES I will blame her for preaching to men bc the word clearly tells us that women are not to be preaching/pastoring to men. @@ella-vm6vf
She doesn't belong in the pulpit delivering a Sunday sermon to men.
@@GodsFaithfulServant Beth Moore said many times, she is not a preacher and would never try to assume that office. She was invited on Mothers Day to speak at her son-in-law church, she was not trying to take a pastrolar position as it was misconstrued.
Here is her sin, she did not support Donald Trump for president, and she had been trying to get the SCB Convention to seriously look into sex abuses in the Southern Baptist churches, and they were dragging there feet, and was resenting her pushing for the investigation for good reason, there was multiple sex abuse in the churches as it was finally revealed.
So before judging this woman so harshly check the facts, not the smear campaign waged against her.
Didn’t Jesus say, “judge not that you be not judged”?
Yeah, he did. He also didn't stop there, he continued to teach and emphasize on hypocritical judgement. Definitely, we will have to exercise discernment. In the same chapter, he spoke about identifying false teachers by their fruit. That requires some discerning and judging, however not a hypocritical condemning judgement.
Over here, they are not putting Beth as a false teacher tho, however they're paying close attention and sounding caution to some of her teachings
@srpennell --- If you had actually read the Holy Bible you would have read what Jesus said in many situations. In this case He commanded us to JUDGE with righteous judgement.
He frequently told various Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees that they were like white-washed graves full of dead men's bones. That sure reads to me that Jesus DID judge people.
After the accusers of the woman taken in the act of adultery (but not the man), Jesus said a few words to her accusers and writing in the dirt... they left. Did Jesus tell the woman to go back to being an adulteress? No. He told her to go and sin no more!
The Epistles are full of warnings and commands that false teachers, bad preachers and false prophets are to be exposed and kicked out of the congregation.
The actual translation from Hebrew is "condemn", not "judge". We are to judge actions and behavior but not condemn the sinner.
Cackling Hen's
It is no wonder that women were the first at the cradle and last at the Cross. They had never knew of a man like this, a prophet and teacher who never nagged at them, who never flattered or coaxed or patronized: who never made jokes about them. He took their questions seriously, never mapped out their placed for them, had no ax to grind with them; who took them as found them and was completely at ease with them.
'Those who do not like the smell should check out their own backside to see if it smells of roses.' Anon.
Hilljack !!
.It wasn't human dung The Lord says go ahead and use cow dung... And he didn't tell Peter to eat all them unclean foods. It was all about the gentiles. Three times to sheet was lowered three gentiles at the door. Peter repeated his vision three times. I'm surprised they made these mistakes
11Thou shalt drink also water by measure, the sixth part of an hin: from time to time shalt thou drink. 12And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. 13And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them. 14Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth. 15Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith. Sorry, but scripture said God first said to use human dung and then God said to go ahead and use cow dung.
What’s the discrepency??? I think Beth Moore is false teacher but I don’t see anything wrong with her story. God speaks to his people asking us to show kindness all the time. His hair was matted, she brushed it, it turned out he had a need of this and was going to be presentable for his wife. The stewardess was ministered to by Beth saying Jesus had me do it. That is a seed planted because the woman could want the love to overflow from her too and could go on to seek Jesus. I think her message could be perceived as do as God commands you, He will use it reach people. Not everyone we meet needs to be evangelized. Some people know God and need His touch.. to feel His love at times. We can be His hands and feet in all instances.
Do you ever wonder how she distinguishes between thoughts that come into her head that are from Jesus and ones that aren't?
@@Brenda-qo4ko Distinguishing the difference can be done by taking what she believes God is speaking to her, and see if it goes against or aligns with scripture. Jesus himself lists several examples of ways to love people. Clothing them, feeding them, visiting them in prison, giving them a drink. Jesus states that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. To see someone in need, and be prompted to help them in a way that doesn't go against scripture, is that unbiblical? She never said "God said we have to comb the hair of people" That would be adding to the Bible, and would be problematic. She said that she was personally assigned a task from God, that doesn't contradict the Word.
If they're complaining about the tone of voice Beth had, her trying to be funny, or the body language she uses to tell the story, that says more about them than it does about her. Some people stand still when they speak, and are monotone, and others move and speak dramatically. The has nothing to do with whether or not you're being Biblically accurate. If that's what they're focusing on, they appear to be reaching to make a point, by using an argument that's actually just an opinion of man and not anything related to scripture. If she was blaspheming or going against scripture, they should quote the verse in context and it would be a done deal. No argument necessary. If she had done that, this would have been a 5 minute video, tops, and there would be nothing to debate.
Look at Acts 2:17 - “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;"
Does this say exactly what men and women will prophesy? Does it say exactly what men will dream and what the visions will be? No, the specifics aren't given. We will know if the dreams and visions are from God by whether or not they hold up to scripture. If they go against scripture, they are clearly false.
Again, I'm not saying Beth Moore isn't a false teacher. She very well may be! but this video doesn't give solid evidence and really just makes it look like these guys have an axe to grind.
@@ThomasWashington-z7v I have thoughts that come into my head all the time that don't contradict scripture and align with what's in scripture. But that doesn't mean God is speaking directly to me by downloading thoughts into my head. It means that I'm a Christian who knows what's in scripture and have thoughts that line up with that.
@@Brenda-qo4ko It’s really good to hear that you know the difference between recalling scripture, random thoughts, and God speaking to you. That’s important. As you’ve said, God hasn’t spoken to you, and that’s okay. The fact that you don’t know that he has, most certainly means he hasn’t. But, I digress; The discussion isn’t about you, or me.
How did the prophets know God spoke to them and it wasn’t just in their head? How did Noah know that God spoke to him and he wasn’t just making it up or dreaming? They knew because, if God’s going to speak to you, He can make it very clear that it’s Him, and not just a random thought or dream.
To say God can’t speak to people, doesn’t speak to people, can’t cause people to have visions or dreams, blatantly goes against the Bible and is in opposition to His word. If God wants you to know it’s from Him directly, He’s fully capable of making it known.
@@ThomasWashington-z7v The point is when it comes to having thoughts the truth is they all come from within us whether they be godly or ungodly. Saying that any thought someone has is a download from God and another one isn't (assuming neither is sinful or ungodly) is arbitrary and subjective.
Ya'll are the weird ones.. SMH.