2016 Lecture 06 Maps of Meaning: Part II: The Primordial Narrative continued
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One thing can be said about Peterson, he's done his part to revive the culture
I didn't even know the culture existed before this
@@manubishe No, I'm serious. Of course I grew up in a culture. But I was raised by a mom and by a group of friends. We did not have the father's to encourage us. No religion, just our own ideas to get us through the world.
@@nwillson999 But that still followed a religious method of implementation.
I look forward to more lectures after this PC thing has died down a little.
Your material is incredibly rewarding to listen to. You talk about truths we all feel but have been cowed into not expressing by post structuralism propagandists who have infected all levels of intellectual society.
You speak for the silent majority between the radical left and the extreme right. We need you and more like you.
I'm an atheist, but Professor Peterson sure makes me understand the importance of divine figures as a basis for psycology, society, and basically the fact we're not killinng each other.
And I don't mean blind belief. I mean understanding what those miths are deep down is profoundly important and I'm starting to get it.
Thank you professor
Willfully blind
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if you're still atheist you haven't understand a thing yet
@@mauricemorty4687 Well atheism is foolish because it proclaims to actually be able to make the positive affirmative claim that there is NO God. I obviously disagree with this but I used to be an atheist. You gotta understand something, belief is a matter of conviction, not of choice. If someone doesn't believe in God it's not exactly their fault, you can’t force yourself to believe. I'm sure he understands plenty. I'm sure he understands plenty that you don't know. If you're a Christian then you know you shouldn't say things like that to him. Yes he should turn to God because he exists and he loves everyone even him. I know he exists because he answered my prayers supernaturally once and other times in a bit more normal ways but this guy hasn't had that happen most likely. All I can say to you bro the atheist, if you actually do put faith in God like real faith where you put your trust in him he will actually answer that positively in some way. Maybe it will take a while to notice but He will.
I had to watch this twice. Mind blowing.
"They were tough enough so that we are here"... damn, what a way to close out the series. Maps of Meaning has changed the way I think about the generations who came before us; that the deep stories they told are as real and relevant today as they were then (though I think it requires the depth and breadth in understanding Jordan Peterson has to translate it for present-day). Against the cultural backdrop of the rise of the individual, Maps of Meaning remind us that Man is connected in a deep a way; in Psyche as well as Biology. In a seemingly innocuous story, Pinocchio, operate the archetypes which live in our Collective Unconscious.
Kunal Mandalia there are more lectures in the series
Yesss that last sentence was so beautifully said.
He’s changed my perspective too on almost everything. He’s a genius; a true intellect. 🍀🙏🏻💯♎️🌎🍀
Great comment man, love the passion.
"They were tough enough so that we're here." Brilliant. Thank you I will have to watch again and read your book
I grew up reading and hearing European folk tales and mythologies in their pre-Disneyfied versions. In later years that extended to other traditions. As young children my Dad would always ask, after telling us a tale, why did X get into trouble, and what could they have done differently (or some other relevant question). It's so good to hear someone else reveal the depths and nuances of these ancient tales. Lessons from tales such as "the boy who cried wolf" stick with you far better than just being told "don't wear out your reputation through deceit".
Thanks to those bullshit pronouns I found the most valuable lecturer I've ever heard!
That's how I found him. Now I have watched lots and lots... As it happens, I happen to also agree with him about um... Everything I think! He has filled in a few holes in my understanding for sure. Would love to see him talk to David Icke about the prototype reptile stuff... I wonder if you know what I mean. ? :) ?
Stefan Molyneux is also good. As is Graham Hancock (but a bit more alt). Peace bro.
Yeah that would be interesting lol thanks I'll have a look
Add me to the list, although now a bit later.
Wow, this lecture was a sledgehammer.
Learning to criticize with gratitude-that is the challenge.
Thanks again
The lecture ends, and I'm in tears.
I might just have gotten part of what enlightenment is about... It's all one...
Thank you for being a guiding light through this fog, Dr. Peterson!
Best professor doing what he does best.
The Truth lmao you have that fanboy of his as avatar gg op.
I am making my way through some of his work. It has helped me very much. Thank you Dr Peterson.
Thank you for the new upload.
Always looking forward to your talks.
I like the idea of the unknown, knowns. Things you know but that are inhibited to your awareness. WE cant constantly have the known knowns in our consciousness all at once so whatever ones we aren't actively using become unknown, knowns
The last couple of minutes gave me chills about how our ancestors were not superstitious or ignorant. They were smart enough that we're here...I am going to have to think about that for a bit.
Thank you for uploading this 2nd part. As always, brilliant.
This lecture saved my life.
I like the idea of sight and masterful speech being the most important attributes. Never thought about that before - it is also the case in the nordic mythology
just found this channel and it is amazing! subbed
Power is not violence. Power is Framing belief system according to your benefit.
Dr. Peterson uses the most hysterical analogies 😆
The second you mentioned the fact that the Mesopotamian king has sex with a "ritual prostitute" and referred it to Sleeping Beauty, I realized something.
Fairy tales aren't the only way that these stories are retold. It's also done in video games.
Like Farcry 3, for example.
The hero (Jason Brody) is slowly transformed into the warrior who goes out and destroys the dragon of chaos (Vaas and later Hoyt but more Vaas) and his prize is the maiden (Citra).
This comparison really works when you analyze Vaas' speeches and his constant referral to insanity. Insanity is a form of internal chaos within the brain and soul, no? So when Vaas attempts to describe "the meaning of insanity" and the hero has to fight through that to redeem himself and win the maiden, that is strikingly similar to the old kings' rituals in Mesopotamia.
Wow.
Very true, while I think there are some elements of pure imitation, I think you are correct in the manner that it's no wonder that games that stick to these 'cliche' stories usually do so well. Some people, especially over the past five years, have attacked this in the video game industry (among other things such as character design - which I honestly think may be a good thing to lessen the porn element of video games), but I'm not really worried about it. Because if the hypothesis is true, then generally speaking those games that stick to the archetypes will continue to have success and those that are based around deconstructionism and the like will slowly fade out due to market pressures. This is one reason why I like the concept of a free market, because ideologies take a back seat to reality - whereas if there was some type of videogame industry that didn't need to respond to market pressures - then false archetypes could be forced down people's necks for longer periods (while obviously not for more than a few generations). This is also why I don't really buy into the whole illumaniti, mk ultra, and all that stuff. I think elements of that is real, and we see it all the time in news and what not - and it's not unreasonable to think that shady back door deals may be going on between intelligence agencies and a video game company - but I think these usually don't work.
yup. by way of comic books.
From what I can tell Jesus' parables in the Bible are just about the best way that these stories are told. As an atheist, it took me years to realise this...
One of the things that makes an archetype is that you can see it everywhere. It's part of the collective unconscious. One of the most compelling things about learning about archetypes is that once you know the theme you start seeing it all sorts of media.
and Super Mario
Thanks again Professor!
Thank you for posting this.
I wish you could be one of my professors - what I wouldn't do to hear you lecture. :(
Scorpion wants to raise above his hatred for Sub-Zero and te male hierarchy Good for him
Finally, Sumerian mythology.
any book recommendations
Yeah, Gilgamesh in the translation by Stephen Mitchell.
This is insanely positive if you think about it... your own death becomes meaningless and your lifetime becomes your chance to leave your mark on human culture and stories...
It was the best of times - it was the worst of times - we are God/ess incarnating to bring them into being.
marduk definitely would be watching Jordan peterson
I'm late to the party but here it goes:
(I'm no expert, but am very interested in ancient Messopotamian mythology)
i would like to make some clarifications, which i deem rather interesting and/or important>
1) Tiamat is actually of double nature: "Mummu" Tiamat = "Mother" Tiamat, which is the calm and motherly aspect, and Ummu Hubur (there is no clear translation for this name but i like to understand it as something like "Mother of Dread") which is the destructive, wrathful aspect of Tiamat.
2) When the young gods were disturbing Tiamat and Absu's sleep, it was Abzu (which name literally translates to "Abyss") with the primordial vizier named Mummu (not to be confused with the title of Tiamat as "mother" - Mummu Tiamat ) went to Tiamat and proposed to annihilate the yound gods so that they disturb their sleep no more. Tiamat said to "show kindness" and went back to sleep, but Abzu conspired with Mummu to destroy the youg ones regardles. Ea (a.k.a. Enki) (the god of water/sperm/life) (interestingly enough Ea was the god that saved humans during the Flood myth) witnessed this and together with his siblings murdered Absu in his sleep, imprisoned the vizier Mummu and fashioned a palace for himself from the body of Abzu.
3) When Tiamat found out about this treachery she became furious (and from now on she is reffered to as Ummu Hubur) and created a new consort, Kingu, and the eleven monsters of chaos. She then bathed Kingu and the 11 with Melammu (radiance) , which is described as something like a radiance that paralyzes with fear anyone who beholds it, and gave Kingu the 12 Tablets of destiny.
4) Marduk was the son of Ea, and he was given 50 names and the 4 winds, a net and apear as weapons. Note, that after the battle of Marduk against Hubur and Kingu's army, the North wind stole Tiamat's blood and carried it away.
I guess this myth can be perceived as a description of the manifestation of culture, yes, but i believe that a much more profound interpretation would be to perceive it as the depiction of the emmanation of consciousness from nonbeing. I can't help but think that Mummu (the vizier) is the concept of "animalistic instincts", Tiamat and Abzu (both, as the primordial one and as Ea's palace) is the unconscious mind. Hubur and Kingu is the shadow and Marduk is maybe the will/instinct to live.
And there is some sort of alchemical reaction (which cannot be analyzed here) inside the psyche as it is emanating from nothingness into being.
7:42 -- Took the words right out of my mouth 😏
That is not the origin of law but the first development of the conceptualization of law and virtue.
I really appreciate your lectures, with their fine understanding for the complexity of existence and focus on meaning and the process of its construction and reproduction. Nevertheless, I have some problems with you not including or problematizing your own position and bias in your production of knowledge, hence placing yourself inside the framework of a paradigm of perspective.
As an anthropologist I would love listening to your views on cultural relativistics and sociological perspectives, from people such as Giddens, Bauman, Boas, Comte and so forth. Even though you are focusing on existentialists and psychologists, a nuancing of the presented ideas would benefit an indepth understanding of the scientific milieu from which the ideas of your favourites adhered.
Wish we could see the diagrams too
Part I of this video is deleted, hope it can be re-upped, and thank you for making this course available
warsaww7 It is available now. Hope you’ve found it
In the myth of creation, can Marduk be a representation of the ego? He has sight and language as his primary characteristics. Most people think in language, and associate that thought as themselves authoring thought. His bargain with the gods (other thought systems) is that in exchange for fighting against chaos Marduk askes to be ruler and the controller the tablet of destinies (taking it from Kingu).
Do the patterns of the story continue to ring truth at the individual level? At layers of the mind? Does the myth end at the social iteration?
Edit: That seems to be the conclusion you make as well!
18:53 The hero, order and chaos - Rejuvenate the whole structure- LISTEN
as an atheist watching this, there is a moment where I am like.. "wait, did I just become religious?"
This guys pretty great.
I'm just too uneducated to properly critique anything he says, but there are a lot of things that just 'feel' right. Maybe I've been watching too much
Not having paperwork to prove your education is not the same thing as being uneducated. I doubt you are here by accident. As to watching too much ( and I assume you are talking specifically about the good professor's work) I think we may well benefit from more diverse perspectives but he is rather addictive isn't he. We must have a wisdom deficiency.
How can we help people that do not know where they are in relationship to this story? Wake up our leaders and collectively utilize all of it for the sovereignty of the world? Jordan thank you so much one day I will meet you hopefully soon we have a lot to talk about...
I get the feeling that Prof. Peterson would say you start with yourself. Set yourself straight, then with your life as best you can work to increase the good within your sphere of influence.
Don't try to clean up society's power structure before you've cleaned up your bedroom.
The world cannot afford this man's time going into one on one conversations unless they are publicly available.
About capturing chaos in a net. I se the symbolism of the net as human perception and method to deal whid chaos bit by bit. The grid of the net an extreamy god symbol of how human categories, box upp in bits to make order out of chaos. Yeah thats pritty mutch what we did whid the world. I just try to tie petterson to some things i picked upp from Alan watts. I didnt create any string here, at most i tied a knot.
I don't think this should be called "Maps of Meaning." I think it should be called "The Story of Stories."
Anomie Toponymie he won't change the course now. He's written a book called maps of meaning and the idea of mapping things is pretty central to the course.
Maps of Meaning: The Story of Stories
Does these lectures exist as a podcast somewhere, or just as sound anywhere?
Anyways, love it
Waters of chaos.
I'd like to see Jordan Peterson break down xenogears
sir, by what criteria are the beings in congress gods, if they cannot defeat an evil that threatens them
Terminator encapsulated the other guy in liquid metal
Dr. Jordan Peterson, any recommendation as to where could I find a pure translation of the Mesopotamian creation myth in its entirety?
Steve Raines did you ever get or find the answer good sir?
So many motherfuking commercials goddamn can't even digest the last mother f****** commercial that came on while I'm already getting bombarded with the next one it's like holy f*** and I know you're against this too Jordan I heard you speak on it I love you dog but God damn
Just keep pressing 0
looking for a book recommendation to read all these mythological stories...
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Particle man, particle man
Doing the things a particle can
What's he like? It's not important
Particle man
20:10 so what? Religious, for example in europe, is basically more of a fight for what the gods represent, like ethics, morals and culture, than just the different gods?
Which Europe? The land mass, or the "union"?
lights8811 I was thinking religious wars in europe.
I have listened to some "crazy" versions of the Marduk story. There are a lot of people who take it literally. Well, some people...
Btw? The story of the garden of Eden is the story of shamanism. :) Did I mention that before? Sorry. :|
I wonder if Jordan Peterson is a secret flat earther