Maps of Meaning 09 (Harvard Lectures)
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1:07:26 - "One of the consequences of being a genius is that those things that eventually happen to everyone happen to you first. We tend to think that the future happens everywhere at the same time, it's like we all come into contact with the future at the same time, but that's not really true, you know. The people that we think of as geniuses are people in whom the future happens first and that usually isolates them. That's why they look like prophets in a sense. It's almost as if the future pours through them first, then out into the culture."
He paused after that thought and one cannot help but wonder... He must know his IQ is in the genius level, and if that is something he knows, then having just said what he said it makes one wonder if he just realized that some future is going to smack him hard before it affects the culture. Knowing what we know today, it is almost as if he foreshadowed his own future and it was then that he may have realized it, although abstractly, and briefly felt the weight of what may be likely to come; especially given the history he has so expertly studied around the death of God and how that has lead to the atrocities in the 20th century.
Building on that, he recently said that western culture is living on borrowed time because it has not updated itself to replace what was lost when God died, and now that there are even more nations with the weapons that can wipe humanity out, it sure feels like sometimes Peterson is experiencing the future internally before it hits the rest of us and this moment caught on camera may well have been the spark that made him realize it so many years ago.
Wow that's the most profound thing I've ever heard.
@@kiranmcgoldrick4247 those things go hand in hand.
And a couple seconds later the camera zooms into him. Coincidence or foreshadowing
"If you think of thoughts as something you encounter then it starts to make a little bit more sense."
There is a similar line of thinking from lecture 8 "The monsters you encounter are exactly your size."
And that sentiment clearly reflects 1 Corinthians 10:13
1:04:00 Hope>reward & punishment>threat.
Okay this is epic
39:57 This gave me an idea. The ability to masterfully mimic (integrate admirable attributes from others) is a masculine version of directing the species toward the ideal, in contrast to the feminine version, which is mate selection. Simply put, men cherry pick what they view as admirable qualities in other people, reflect those qualities, and women cherry pick the men that do it best. Seems obvious but maybe it's useful to look at it that way.
I think you're pretty accurate :)
52:15 I think Dr.JP was referring to his friend Chris that he'd written in about in Ch.3 of 12RFL, it's a tragic story but he makes it sound quite comical in this lecture
Is it the friend who drank and jordan tried to help him but 2 days before he took his own life he gave him his book ?
The keyboard part was amazing.
I knew I had a problem with the statement "good enough" and now I understand fully that accepting good enough means restricting your capacity to become better. And now I have a great analogy to explain to people why. Awesome.
Man... that's so interesting. These lectures are full of wisdom! The information here is transmitted exactly between chaos and order, where everything is aligned. That's when you realize you're in the right place at the right time, as JBP would say.
35:00 - 45:00 : Anything that’s new is interesting. And anything interesting can be rewarding. Level of abstraction. Freud thought that merely becoming conscious of something is sufficient to bring about a cure. But he eventually realized unless you bring it out in behavior, you don’t know it. Introduction of steel axes to Stone Age population was devastating to their work. When you had a stone axe, you were on the top of the hierarchy. Here’s a pattern of behavior that you’ve noticed yourself doing. As you move info up the hierarchy of abstraction it becomes more powerful. Meaning you can do more with it with less work. Money > barter. Procedural memory is one who acts one way. Episodic memory is one who imagines. Semantic is one who plans. Usually one is 3 different people. Instead your trying to be one person who has isomorphism with those memory systems. All efforts attaining the same end. We admire those who don’t say more than what is necessary and who act out what they tell us.
Things Jordan Peterson doesn’t know the answer to the questions of. What caused him to think of that kid to be an ideal role model for him when he was young.
he then goes on to talk about conditioned stimulus and how you can possibly change your behavior if the stimulus is immediately associated with an unconditioned stimulus. like electric shock when seeing an outlet. or when you shock a dog before giving it treats, causing it to wag its tail when you give it a shock in the future which indicates anticipation. he says its a speculation.
If you cannot identify commonality between groups take a step back and identify the process which made each group. The process which created the group is likely to have universal attributes that are identifiable commonalities.
This is such a profound way of approaching cultural differences. It allows for unity even amongst incredibly diverse modes of being.
It is reasonable to assume that beyond sociological driven behavior differences there are biologically driven patterns as well. Take for example an innate fear people possess when it comes to spiders or snakes, which is likely driven by historical ancestral interaction with these creatures for many, many years and led to biologically ingrained behavior patterns.
The same could be implied for behavioral patterns such as emulation. That there is a inherent biological drive in the human condition to imitate an innate ideal.
1:11:30 ...why the pen is mightier than the sword... [When you toy with rationality] you're providing information, with ease of communication, that belies its Danger, *and also makes obscure how difficult it was for the information to have been generated...*
It also transcends space and time which the sword can never do (at least, not as gracefully or less brutally)
8:55 = I wonder if one of these students would eventually become one of the writers for The Matrix. I definitely have a new perspective about that movie now.
I felt that there was a significant principal that was discussed, but it wasn't personalized for individuals
At 1:37:30 Jordan says that theres no such thing as the negative aspect of nature, as such. These stories basically say that if the environment has turned against you, kill the king. Because whether you know it or not, he's a tyrant. And so from the mythological perspective there's no such thing as the negative aspect of the unknown as such. It's always only negative in relationship to a ruling idea. And the mythological idea is that if it's negative there's something wrong with the ruling idea. That's the basic notion.
As it relates to the individual, if life isn't going the way you want it to go, if you are miserable then stop blaming external sources out in chaos, kill the idea that you are currently clinging onto. Assume that the problem is you and the way you are approaching life instead of assuming life is the problem.
Paraphrasing but this was an important point at ~ 1:13
Once knowledge is abstracted, an ineffectual personality can have a huge (and negative) impact. He could serve as carrier of info that he could not possibly have generated, nor fully understood. This is also part of the reason our technological power is so dangerous. People have the access to the technology that other have created but lack the personality to use it wisely.
JP looks good here. Note that he usually does not relate (other than in totalitarian political situations) to situations in which folks are dominated by even under the controls of others, and expectations, often customary, or bureaucratic in nature. Note that schools and employers are often quite dominant comparable to that which parents are. Some of us were never part of "peer" groups.
16:06 this 'anyways' makes me laugh
This is good stuff Jordan.
My Mensa results were IQ 127 ( SD 24 ) and IQ 117 ( SD 16 ) but I don't think that I am of Harvard graduate intelligence level.
The average Harvard graduate student has an IQ approaching 130 ( SD 15 ).
Paraphrasing something once heard : if you hold a bunny up to a group of people, 80% will say that it's not a bunny, 15% will agree it's a bunny yet insist on fighting about it and then 5% will think it may or may not be a bunny but they will have the wherewithall to sit back, watch & listen with the intelligent, intuitive idea that they might be able to extract useful, if not interesting, learning.
26:15
I love this man
1:43:30
a student counters the teacher and he accepts it.
Good
loved it
1:04:25 "the devil you know is the......"
Can anyone clarify the words which were said?
I feel they were a profound quote but im unable to discern the actual meaning
'The devil you know is the one that's better than the one you don't'
He stutters a bit but it's one of his more often touted quotes; the devil you know is better than the one you don't :)
This isn’t worded totally right, but is this theory something that can be known that actually is all that needs to be known? Does it have the potential to negate the negative aspect of the individual?
Congrats to the peeps who’ve got here consecutively. We’re a small percent.
Few people around here, we're pretty damn high in openness to stay around all that long
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1:23:33 Money>barter?
I finishes this man. I just roll called a bit late man. 2:24pm, 26th March, 2022
Note: Japan and Germany are doing pretty terrible now, and I think they will fall over the next 20 years if we are not careful, so there's that. More so Japan due to lack of new births and extreme focus on tech instead of culture/society. And, well, Germany and the EU are really dying at this point, and are facing some major problems.
yeah thats true for germany. The society is broken. Socialist ideas devour the country, green partys wants to see everyone in poverty and every right or even central idea is called nazism. Our liberals count as conservatives. Technological infrastructure doesn't exist in many parts of the country, educational and medical systems are falling apart. I dont't know about Japan, but Germany is pretty much broken.
The US has only escaped this due to our size. There are pockets of our culture that are similar but we have large segments of the population transient between urban centers and regions etc., the Midwest to California and New York to Florida migrations in particular relieve our culture of pressure buildup which the smaller Germany and Japan and experiencing. San Francisco in particular WAS seeing that but Austin provided an outlet
this is my day-11
"We have the capacity to know it when we see it"...ahh, yes keep your eyes on Jesus and know no fear. Perfectly Bizarre! Miss the mark (sin) and you will know evil, as it was written it will wait at your door.
What do you mean by that?