These 1960s Rich Privileged Teen Baby Boomers DIDN'T Rebel
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- In this video I am presenting clips from the classic 1966 documentary "Sixteen At Webster Groves - Webster Groves Missouri. It was produced by filmmaker Arthur Barron who I was honored to work for on several of his films. Webster Groves is clearly not typical as its teenagers were upper-middle-class and richer. Remember that about 40% of the huge baby boomer generation say that they participated in the activities of the 1960s. This video presents the views of a portion of the 60% who didn't participate and who essentially looked forward to living just like their parents did. I would not call them typical teenagers but they are certainly representative of a group who was just fine in the 1950s.
Many commentators talk about the fact that they would rather have lived during this time and then one of these people then to live in today's world which they see as trash relative to how these people lived. Although I did not spend much time working on this production, I did some film work with upper middle-class white 1960s baby boomer era teenagers and their attitudes and behavior we're not dissimilar from what teenagers felt in the 1950s in the suburban white "American dream" middle class. There were many rebels who looked like other teenagers at that time but were not. I remember a conversation that I had with the producer where he said that in this community, there seem to be almost no rebels.
It would certainly be fascinating to talk to these people today but unfortunately, I don't have the names of any of the people who participated in this film. Hopefully some will watch this clip and choose to comment.
I remember that the first time I realized that my parents both lived through the 60s without ever becoming hippies I was horrified.
Why horrified?
Why? The hippie movement was intensely selfish/self centered and pathetically short sighted
Sound like they were sensible! Hippies were icky.
Yeah your parents sound terrible.. Probably out working hard to support your ungrateful ass.
@@smexehcougah3 how dare you judge your parents. Ungrateful pos
75 year old here….was 17 in 1966. I got decent grades, but one of the main reasons I wanted to attend college was to stay out of Vietnam. I got a 2-S deferment for four years. I will never forget the first lottery (after my 4 yr deferment) where I came up number 278 so I didn’t have to go into the service but two of my friends were killed in ‘Nam. I remember much of the craziness from 67 to about 72 with all the free love, hippies and tuning out. I was not one of them.. i’ve lived a good life made a good living had kids, and I still think of my two friends who didn’t have the chance.
If you don't mind me asking, why didn't the two friends have the chance to go to college? Today the biggest barrier is money, but all we ever hear about is in the 60s and 70s you could pay for college with a summer job. I'm guessing the reality is somewhere in the middle.
@@caustinolino3687The 2 friends had the option of moving to Canada for the duration of the war…….but there was also a stigma about are you a man & don’t you believe in fighting for your country. If only citizens knew on a large scale back then that government spin doctors manipulate communities through news programmes & pit neighbour against neighbour so to speak to conform & a line with government narratives to further enrich elites & large corporations which have a maze of links that lead back to Washington. Not much has changed.
@@caustinolino3687 they died in vietnnam
@@caustinolino3687 they didn’t survived Vietnam because they were caught in a military draft and had no choice under the rules and regulations of the draft, and if they disregarded it, they could had went to prison. Look up Muhammad Ali.
Because they were drafted and all hopes for college webt up in agent orange@@caustinolino3687
Every middle class and up baby boomer was privileged. They had THE BEST ECONOMY in US history.
@@JeffyPDiddy not really my first house I bought was at a 13% mortgage rate in the 80s
@@llliden7724…Ahhh, the Reagan years of trickle down economics 😂😂
@@llliden7724 what was your salary and price of home?
@@Aaron-SLC I was babysitting the neighborhood kids at a dollar an hour or so really not that much. My husband was making $10 an hour. The house cost $45,000.
I still live near that neighborhood that same house would be around 145 thousand right now. The location is the eighth safest town rated in Ohio very lucky in that respect.
7:00 The term “normie” is over sixty years old. I wonder how much boomer slang zoomers are using without even knowing it. 🤔
Loads
I'm sure. I remember using it in the early 90s and an older head in his 40s (at the time) chuckled and was amused that his generation's slang was still being used. One of my housemates carved "Normies are aliens" on the arm of our garden bench at some point during the same Summer. So yeah,it appeared to already be a generation old when us Gen X kids were using it.
We all used boomer slang.
Every generation after did.
The media REALLY pushed boomer hippie culture on all of us in everything.
yup. I'm surprised. But "cool" is over 70! I wonder if gen Y still use it?
"Straights" is the term we used, '69-'75.
My dad used to tell me they called them "the ME generation," and I thought they made fun of us millennials!
I was raised in the 60s and 70's. I didn't fit in to any particular group very well. My family was not wealthy enough to fit into the rich people's group but also was Christian and so didn't fit into the group that wanted to drop out and party and rebel. We just went to school and church and had friends and watched TV and rode small motorcycles and went on family vacations and had picnics and such. We just lived life and enjoyed it the best we could. So when I see this film about Webster Groves I don't feel like they were my kind of people but I don't hate them either. I probably was just a typical fairly conservative American kid who loved rock music and girls but also didn't want to be a rebel. I got married and had 5 kids and just lived a lower middle class American life. I'm 66 now and retired. I am still pretty happily married but am a little sad about America because I think it is falling apart.
I was born in 1956 and one of the "shop kids". I went to a trade high school and studied to be an electrician, and so glad I did. I actually wanted to be in the electronics class, but it was full. Anyway, they got me my first job, which wasn't in electrical, but electronics, so it worked out in the end. I worked in tech for about 45 of my 50 years, so my time in a trade school was well spent.
Even though I didn't have the easy life that these kids had growing up, I managed just fine without college.
I'm 73. I live in WV which means I live in the 50's again except with Fentanyl and Facebook. I can't wait to leave. I have no desire to return to the 50's. I was not considered college material in the 60's. This looks like the HS I dropped out of in 1965. I talked my parents into moving. I got a job and went to night school. Yes I did go to college. My parents were shocked but were ok with it. Even today I tend to have friends that are older or younger. I didn't, nor do I now, have anything tin common with these people. I think allot are having cognitive dissonance. Me, I'm doing okay. I guess I didn't have to deal with the same pressures from educated controlling parents others did.
I have to move from California to Kentucky. My uncle lives in West Virginia. Is there any grace to that part of the country? What brings you/has brought you peace?
Good for you! I wish you well, an older Yorkshire UK woman now living in Scotland 👩🏼🦯❤
@@youngeye60I can answer and I can't imagine living anywhere else. Was I priviledged?No! My mom made me go to work at age 15 in the summers as my parents were divorced. I had one dress that the rich girls wore but I did have clothes. And I wasn't in a clique ( those kids who did lived on the hill section,) but I had friends. My step-grandfather had left me 2 bonds. I had no idea! Was I popular? Yes. But not wealthy. All that helped me graduate from college. Looking back, the rich and pooular ones didn't make it after college and many dropped out. It was the ones who worked hard but weren't wealthy who made successes out of their lives-- even those who took shop in high school made it big! I'm still friends with many from high school and college.
Feels like How I’m feeling in the same boat more or less, I hate my generation and feel like I was born in the wrong era, most beautiful woman and even regular looking woman would view a majority of guys like last minute or bottom of the barrel choices. Here in the states at least. I can’t help but feel like I’m in hell hating my fellow man while also having to take in any knowledge and take advantage of any chance I can get that’s hopefully in line with my morals. I just want to get away from this fucking country, I rather be a stranger in a strange land like Japan since after all it feels like I’m a walking stranger or even intruder in the lives of my peers and my asinine teachers and professors that seem to be only teaching me so I can teach.
@@creepdimensions2405what makes you feel all of that? Sounds very strong
It would be cool to see how life turned out for those people now.
that would be money well spent by these hack streaming services
Watching this, It’s strange that this hs in Missouri projected perfection while most of Missouri, The South & Middle America pride themselves on a blue collar mentality relying on common sense values with minimal education, which is not a bad thing. The parents in this footage felt uncomfortable when asked about civil rights, wars, and the uncertainty of the future.
"I don't think any 16 year old child should be burdened by the problems of the world"
I was also impressed by how well spoken the 16 year olds were in this video.
They all were well spoken & very mature for their age.. Today's teens I find are not even remotely close to answering questions with that much thought
Thats how people are when states view education as a priority and not a slush fund used to divert funds to the police for toys and politicians for embezzlement and cronyism..
@@jcbulldog533neither did bush Trump or Biden it’s not the kids
My thoughts exactly every time I see one of these films, is how well dress and articulate everyone was. Looking after their appearance and speaking thoughtfully wasn’t even a “have to” or “try to”, it was just _normal._
It’s devastating to me even as a millennial to know we will never be at this place again. And with the reliance on the internet, apps and ai, it will only get worse.
education standards were way higher
I’m a millennial and my parents are boomers. Growing up in the 90s my dad experienced wealth but that lead to him becoming increasingly irritable. My mom left him for his drinking. Just this past year they reunited. Boomers were so focused on image, money and success they forgot the importance of family and love. The happiest homes I’ve been in are not the families with a lot of money. That’s not to say hard work and money aren’t important because they are but coming home to an empty mansion has to be the most miserable feeling in the world. Love grows inside homes where people live and people are able to put differences aside and work together to make a better life. I live alone and never had children because my childhood and young adulthood were spent in deep depression. I never dreamt of a future due to my heartbreak from not having a home to come to. My parents reunited and live together again which has helped heal the hole in my heart. I don’t hold them accountable for the times they grew up and the messages they received effecting them negatively. With age comes wisdom and grace. God bless ❤
I hope you get married and start a family. There’s nothing more fulfilling than being a responsible caring parent. You’ve learned from your parents mistakes and now know what not to do when you have a family of your own.
My heart goes out to you. Late boomer here, widowed young,raised two children on my own. Always tried make my house a home for my kids. Had a good job that was very demanding. My Dad fought 2 wars. WWII & Korean . I was raised traditional middle class but my Dad drank too. Sometimes life was heart wrenching. His anger came out then.
So very true and familiar. Thankfully no alcohol, but my boomer parents were roommates at best. Not a whole lot to work with when trying to model my own relationships lol. And then I was quite sick as a boy and figured I wouldn't make it to my 30s so thinking about the future seemed pointless. Doing great now and have my doggos. It's been good to learn how to be alone. But I would like to change that eventually.
What you said about homes, I think, applies to communities and nations too. We're constantly told myths about how awful people we don't understand or are different are. Often all it takes is a few connections to break those down, a little bit of grace and reflection to find many of our own values reflected back but we're all so busy in our own bubbles.
They also pushed really hard that they needed to move away from their families and hometowns to make money in the big cities. There was a strong egocentrism and "independence" culture, without the connections to the people around you money and appearances were the tools most used to fit in. My father was born 1951, from a large family in a very poor countryside town with maybe a few hundred people. He moved to the big city and started with heavy labour jobs, then scamming people with shitty insurance policies, finally landing a job in a oil company and growing to a technical position over several years. He spend weeks away working either in platforms or tankers measuring the oil levels and quality of the oil the company moved around. He was absent but for part of my life he was not a bad father, things got bad mostly after he retired. Alcohol, smoking, gambling, women, even drugs for a time. He was not able to live with us at home, he hated our family and we grew to hate him as well. He died about four years ago with two kinds of cancer at the same time alone in a hospital. My mom, sister and myself haven't been to his grave since the burial.
I grew up with an acholic father, borderline schizo/depressed mother in a chaotic home. Parents were always fighting, every week and day of my life until I finally moved out. It's crazy what kids put up with because it's all they know. This world is rough, but it was rough 100 years ago, 1000 years ago. The big difference nowadays is like you said, the lack of love and healthy family bonds. The boomers are a very damaged generation. Lots of wealth, great childhoods but in their adulthoods they never grew up and many lived reckless lives. I've tried to avoid all the mistakes of my parents and am doing my best to make a great home. I'm not rich by any means. Kids are just so special tho, a dear loved one is special. Having a little family is challenging at times but worth every bit of sweat and tears. But I totally understand why many are not having kids these days. Everything is such a mess. 😢
Wow, if there's EVER a case of, "the more things change, the more they stay the same..."
Webster Groves is STILL a relatively elite older inner suburb, though it's slightly more diverse now than then. There are so many "Webster Groves" type of communities across the country who basically exist to maintain the status quo as much as possible. Biggest difference is nowadays, most of those types of families don't even bother with public schools.
My fathers side has deep roots there but he moved to CA when he was still a small child. The stories I heard were of opulence until our Aunt Sally started donating all of her Tiffany Lamps to the church then losing the grand old family home in a fire.
This is pathetic, and only serves to differentiate and distinguish one from another. How self-absorbed must a community be to uphold it's "image". I can only imagine what it was like for the first "diverse" families to enter those environments.
@@Mrfalloutheroin this over the edge with diversity craze, it is really very stabilizing living in a community with common values. It’s like marrying someone with common values. We have taken diversity, as with most things, way too far.
Can't blame them, can you? Public schools are a cesspool nowadays for the most part.
Yeah, "rebelling" was great fun until the hippies realized being dirty, smelly, drug addicted and penniless wasn't as much fun as they thought. So they became the "yuppies" of the 80s.
@@jayalexander3356 No, totally different groups.
I feel like I'm watching a cult.
I’m 73. This isn’t how I grew up. Most of the kids I grew up with had working class parents. I lived in the north where there were good paying union jobs. If you didn’t go to college there were still decent paying jobs
For me, the sound drops out around 10:00 for about 30 seconds.
Probably a copyright issue.
@@jdee3421 , yes, that makes sense.
@@RoverT65536 I'd like to know what he says though..
Happened to me too. Probably some kind of gltch when it got uploaded.
The guy saying he must be looked at as a guest Villan on Batman,,made me smile😂keep these clips coming David,they are great!
This documentary reminds me of the
1962 song "Little Boxes"
By Malvina Reynolds
Little Boxes
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes made of ticky tacky
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes all the same
There's a pink one and a green one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same
And the people in the houses
All went to the university
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same
And there's doctors and lawyers
And business executives
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same
And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same
And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same
There's a pink one and a green one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same
Yes. Norman Lear
Weeds!
I think if these lyrics all the time. Decades later.
Thanks So Much for your lifetime of work 🙏🏼💗🏴🐈⬛🧙🏼♀️🥃🥃
This was FASCINATING. Thank you for sharing this, David 🤯
I’m still young. I’m just a baby to you guys, but realistically, I love learning from this channel, I can’t really relate at that time, but I can take my mind back in time to see how it was and that amazes me. thanks David Hoffman for the video. You have a wonderful evening.
THREE HOURS STUDYING??? That's why genX was starting to mentally check out of school in the 80s and 90s
He’s talking about in college. But of course that’s bogus, you mix hard ones and easy ones and spend 3 to 1 only on the hard ones.
I put a top level comment on there before seeing yours but i think you're absolutely right. " I live a little south of Webster, even into the late 90's the educational system acted like this was the norm (talking about the professor at 5:30) I cried every single day in elementary school because I got up at 4 to catch a bus at 5:45 and then rode the bus for 3 hours to school (was usually late to 1st class because busses were late) and then was expected to do the same in reverse in the evening PLUS 6 hours of homework a night.
I stopped doing homework. Totally shut down in 5th grade." I'm an "elder" millennial, turning 36 this year and it has affected me my whole life. I don't think I've ever stopped being burnt out.
@@handlesshouldntdefaulttonames Elder Millennial..lol. You were around when it was called Gen Y.😅😅😅
@@THATGUY-ir4ie No one would have known what I was talking about if I had said Gen Y because we aren't called that. Generations typically get a letter identifier until they've developed their sense of identity. That's why Gen X is still Gen X. They didn't do anything.
@@handlesshouldntdefaulttonames What did “Millennials” do that got them a certain identity?
Thank you so much for your videos and work David Hoffman. I always enjoy watching your videos whenever they pop up in my feed. Keep up the good work!
2024, little boxes on. the hillside, little boxes made of ticky tacky and they grow to go to university where they all protest and cancel anyone who is different and does not think like them. Delia Morris
it reminded me of the song too
I'm 47, and you're documentaries have peppered my tv viewing for years. Thank you for yet another amazing peek at the life that was, in a time where those same people are now in power. ❤
Great documentary David! Thanks for sharing 😁
Outstanding!!👏 Your documentary mirrored so much of the small town Midwestern views/ way of life in the 50's & 60's. I feel fortunate to have grown up (in a smaller city) in the 70's. There was still pressures but not comforming as it had been. 😀
Another awesome documentary, David. Thank you!
This is from 66, and just shy of the Summer of Love. I think the draft and Vietnam had a big effect by 68. I love seeing the creative ways in which the younger people live now. I doubt anyone is being shamed for simply buttoning a top button or wearing the wrong loafers now. Many boomers have worked hard to gain economic and social change and it is sad that has been swept under the rug as far as later generations awareness. I doubt that the corporate hold on information helps them learn about that sometimes. Lol on the car...so true. And most of the boys knew how to repair them. I wouldn't want to go back though.
It doesn’t matter to the kids because when they look out ahead of them, they don’t see a future for themselves. The prospect of having a well paying job just because you go to college and work hard isn’t a guarantee. Try starting your career in a 10 year economic crater. The kids starting now see even less opportunity and they’re not wrong.
@@enginerdy so just give up working on legislation and funding and trying to make it better?
@@glennalmayer6563 that’s what the democrats have done, yes.
Republicans never cared about that anyway.
As long as the donors are happy.
@@enginerdy true
Oh wow, what I coincidence, I just finished watching your video on Webster Grove from 3 years ago, clicked on your channel for similar content and I see a similar video uploaded right this minute. Definitely watching this one as well.
Oh wait, this is a reaupload of the same video. 🤔
Me too so the comments and 👍 are beating the algorithm
Very interesting. I enjoyed it immensely and would love To see more like this!
Why would they rebel. They had everything. Gen X was the first generation to do worse than their predecessors. They had a reason to rebel.
First they did not have everything, other than their cars everything they had was their parents. Second they were under massive pressure to conform. Individualism was squash down and on top of that if you were male without the right connections or able to go to collage your ass might wind up in Nam.
great job David! keep up the good work
People back then seemed so much more serious, better dressed and well spoken than they generally do today. And this was the 1960s!
This is the upper upper class
@@j.kaimori3848 Interesting. I was too young to remember the 1960s, but I have seen group photos of classes of a local high school, year by year, and up to about 1972 the students were all attired in suits, ties and dresses. Thereafter it was a hodge podge of polo shirts, jeans, gym clothes and T-shirts.
@@Primitarian probably, it is true that there was much more homogeneity in general in the 50s and 60s. But it's worth remembering that this was repressive enough to people that those following found it overly restrictive. Largely the uniformity was due to the propaganda post WWII which was trying to rebuild America.
@@j.kaimori3848 Perhaps then the greater orderliness, decorum and articulacy of the 50s and 60s came at too great a price. But I am not so sure. Was there more homogeneity and repression back then? It seems to me, yes and no. Yes, in that this was the era defined by a white, Christian, heterosexual middle class, with an underside of bigotry and racism. No, in that today we have a culture of inclusion that somehow ends up excluding people anyway, as by shrinking of the middle class, "cancellation" through cyberspace lynch mobs, or massive and intrusive government programs that often have massive side effects. Are homogeneity and repression bad? Again, yes and no. Yes, in that it tends to be bad to be on the receiving end of repression and intolerance. No, in that living in a community with much in common, including uniform rules, can go a long way toward harmony, efficiency and stability. Today we have greater respect for diversity and individualism, it would seem, and that can be good. But today we also seem to have more divisiveness, factionalism, instability, cynicism, pessimism, alienation, and loneliness, as well as what seems to be an increasing trend toward idiocracy, rootlessness, and loss of civility. So is society better today than it was in the 50s and 60s? It seems to me In some ways, yes, but in other ways, no.
@@Primitarian sure, it's complicated, but high conformity societies tend to have higher self deletion rates, while community can exist in either. I see community as something seperate to the level of conformity expected by society.
A weirdo and rebel here. Still happy with that decision. I could never conform.
Brave weirdos and rebels like you made it far less dangerous and difficult for us weirdos and rebels who came after you.
For that I am eternally grateful.
Like this channel. It is a window for me to know or confirm whether it is right compared to what I had in mind about America when I was a kid in 2000s (in PRC). Like watching a movie but in fact they are all real people. Grateful to your work here sir.
Fantastic video! Extremely interesting.
I love this look at the past. Thank you for sharing it. God Bless You and stay safe.
This is a really interesting look at the 50s american community and mindset, I love their reaction to theirselves. Appreciate your work David
This was 1966
Thank you for the video 😊
Wow….
That’s a fascinating perspective.
It explains a lot about my parents.
They came from the group that did not “rebel” also.
Thankyou, this was an interesting viseo, thank you. Did I see charles Curalt interviewing? Your channel is one of my top 5!
"You label me, I label you!" 🎶 It's cyclical, seems to never end! ☮✌
Rich white Mormons always raised their families with very high expectations and very strict rules.
I was born in 1970. I grew up in Provo, Utah and grew weed in my Mormon parents backyard.
@@reidellis1988 you were known as a Jack Mormon or Apostate. Once your bishop found out, you were either disfellowshipped with restrictions of taking the sacrament and holding any calling until you cleaned up your act, or you would be excommunicated from the Mormon cult.
@3DEditor My dad was a bishop, and you don't get excommunicated for a drug problem. Adultery is the main reason for excommunication. I am a convicted felon and don't participate, but I haven't been excommunicated.
@reidellis1988 disfellowshipped then, with the risk of excommunication. I'm very familiar of how they run things.
Brilliant. Thank you😎
To be honest, those kids seemed like they had never left the 1950s.
Cool video as usual, dear David. 👍🥂
Well in 1966, in San Francisco, I was 15 year old girl & decided to live a gypsy type life for my survival- I had 1 parent - a alcohol mother..so i became a hippe not by choice ,
i suppose.:
.never took drugs
Kept my nose clean, because if I got nabbed , they would throw me in a juvenile detention center, foster home or
Group home....bounced around to Aunts & Uncles good family friends homes age 14 to 19...
By 15 I was cleaning houses, and doing gardening work for neighbors & babysitting 24/7.
I went on to get A A. Degree & a B. A. from San Francisco state university.
I was lucky...all my friends took all kinds of drugs..it never tempted or appealed to me.
Yeah so I was a hippee chick & kept on keeping on!
If these families are truly the wealthy....isn't this still the way it is now for the rich? They live in a different world
Hi David...
Thank you! for your work as a filmmaker, and thank you for sharing it with us on UA-cam now days! Otherwise chances are most of us would have probably never seen your work.
I've already left a rather lengthy comment, which focused on the differences in youth of this film (1966) in stark contrast with today's youth.
But on a completely different thought, but a thought the film shows clearly, is it exposes the wildly accepted myth people talk about and also believe today, that any and every young person of the 1960's, was a draft dodging, long haired, unkempt, counterculture advocate, smoking marijuana, dropping LSD and carrying around a sign of protest that reads "Turn On...Tune In...Drop Out"...
SO many people today, especially millennial aged young adults, believe that every one of us who lived through that period of time are former "hippies". And obviously that's just not true. That's something Hollywood for one, has impressed upon the minds of people via popular films etc..
Along these same lines, I'll offer up another false belief people have today about that era, which has also been accomplished primarily via Hollywood films and is believed practically as 'gospel' today. The false idea that every Vietnam veteran, experienced massive, non stop drug use through their time fighting in Vietnam in the service. It seems almost everything we see today that comes out of Hollywood regarding Vietnam, shows a bunch of enlisted Army grunts sitting around smoking a joint, 'high as a kite' and then going ballistic with their M14's & M16's in close range jungle fighting. This simply is NOT true. All the stuff we see depicted in that way, is an absolute fairy tale.
Were there some "stoners" there, who did these things? Yes, of course. But FEW. They were definitely the rare exception, NOT the norm. And unlike the movies, it certainly wasn't the 'war hero' types as depicted in films doing it. Hollywood has done all they can, to glamorize the drug smoking/drug taking "cool" looking Vietnam soldier image. Sorry folks, that wasn't the case in real life. First off, if caught with drugs, even in Vietnam, you'd be
court-martialed. The military doesn't allow drugs now, and they didn't allow them then. Many of my buddies who went to Vietnam, some on multiple tours, when asked told me they never ever saw not even a single occasion, where a fellow soldier was smoking grass, or taking anything else.
And THAT is the reality of the situation.
I realize this comment is off topic regarding the film, but this false belief so many people have today of drug use in Vietnam, closely parallels the false belief this films exposes, being that children of the 60's were all long haired hippies, who attended Woodstock screaming Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out at every chance they had! It's simply NOT true, and is a product of Hollywood false "pop culture".
Thanks again David for presenting us with your wealth of films and clips! They're truly enjoyable to watch!
PS*... Just FYI in case you're unaware. There's a problem with the audio cutting out about half way through your film. It then comes back on as a close shot of you narrating comes back on screen.
I grew up next to a town like this. My town was straight up middle class, and we always felt our neighbors were looking down on us, although no one I knew experienced this in a real-life example. My household emphasized hard work.
I recently "worked with" a young woman who grew up in that town. Her desire for success and need for expensive items was almost nauseating. Me, I like to have fun, and I pursue artistic endeavors on the side.
Ah but the "Socies" only inherit the earth within the city limits of Webster Grove!!!😂😂😂 I grew up in a small town like this as a late baby boomer & I couldn't wait to escape.
This was a SEGMENT of the population. Not everyone was rich. I was part of the middle class population as were my friends. Yes, it was a great place to grow up in many way ( class of '66). I also knew of those who DID rebel, early hippies. I mixed with them all.
Rebellion back then must have been a real shock to parents coming from the old days! Most of these kids would be children of WW2 vets!
@@izzydeadyet7336 Most of the "rebels" had parents who questioned things.
Look at all that diversity! These “kids” saying they wanted to be financially successful grew up in the BEST time to do it in. Cost of living was insanely low, and you could work making minimum wage and afford a decent home. Compare that to today’s standards. We’re in the late stages of capitalism in my humble opinion, the sheer level of greed, the corporate income tax being as low as it is, and now the “conservative” politics are turning this country into something unrecognizable
A lot of the issues in the USA would simply go away if the tax rates were set back to those in the 1950s.
“We are in the late stages of capitalism in my humble opinion” lmao your humble opinion is a memorized line repeated by every non thinking young person 🎉🎉🎉
@@Nun195Not to mention that there are fees, fines, license and permits for every dang thing. Robbing us blind.
I love watching these types of documentaries. I’m a millennial and my parents are boomers. These kids have a certain sense of certainty about life that the kids I grew up with and myself didn’t have. We were all too aware that nothing is guaranteed
Well, anyone who says kids are the same now, and these kids were only hiding the truth, I think is pretty clueless.
While 95% didn't believe in premarital or promiscuous sex at 16, todays 12 and 13 yr olds are already addicted to pornography and know more about sexual promiscuity than their parents do.
As for their appearance and mannerisms, and their ability to articulate their thoughts, again, what I see in many of today's kids is borderline illiteracy, and a lack of any future goals.
I make this comment fully understanding I'm speaking in "general" terms, and today, certainly not all kids fall under the categories I've mentioned, and their ate kids today that excel. I'd just say that the percentage is FAR below what it was in those days. I was also in school at that time and remember! These kids are a fee years older than I am, but nevertheless I still remember.
I'm a teacher and I think many young people today are this articulate. There may even be a selection effect in who gets to be interviewed. Young people today aren't directionless, they're just growing up in a world that is changing so fast it is hard to set fixed, realistic goals.
Loved this! Truly!
I am 71, went through only military schools, as a dependent. I'm grateful...❤
Wow. When the white 1960s cop is the voice of reason...
I was amazed too! I was in elementary and that’s the year we had to integrate. Somehow I was able to survive and made the honor roll. I had one Whtye teacher that treated me like a human, which helped with the transition!❤
Why did the sound drop out when those tuxedoed middle-aged people were dancing? Looks like that school had a pretty strict dress code. Same with mine here in Florida in those days. I certainly don't miss all the hairspray, curlers, and rollers it took to make a girl's hair do those impossible things!
The sound of dropped out because UA-cam didn't allow it as I no longer have the copyright license.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker It sounded like they were playing "Keep On Dancing" by The Gentrys.
There was not a school dress code that I recall. Certainly not like now. We knew what was appropriate.
That cop was spot on. Great commentary on your documentary, David! I agree with your final analysis. They weren't comfortable with the country seeing them as they were. Thanks so much!😊🩵
Lol, they didn't like the documentary because they couldn't control it & show Webster Groves to be a little Peyton Place town
The amount of anxiety these kids had!
I believe Life magazine did a photoessay sometime in the late Forties about Webster Groves teenagers.
I would have parroted the same thing when I was 16 because that was what I was taught to want. I didn’t realize that I was abused, physically and mentally. It took years to learn to think for myself. This “study” is crap
Mr. Hofffman you do great work.
Pleasure to watch another vid and story from you
I was born in 1956. I can’t relate to any of this. Everyone I knew in High School had to work for our spending money. Our parents didn’t give us handouts. They couldn’t afford to
@@sheilagraber5577 Same here. I started working at the age of 15.
Its funny how the lingo changes...
"necking" I asked my 12 year old if she knew what that was. She didn't know.
"retarted" My 12 year old said that noboy uses this bad word anymore.
"two timing" She thought this was a dance that old people did in the old days.
"The Soviet Union" She said that this is something that old people say.
I graduated in '94 by the way.
Well you’re asking your 12 year old about relatively mature topics. I’m 17 and I know what those terms mean because they are more relevant to my conversations. I’m not sure if this is a generational gap or if shes just 12 years old
@@Fawnarchives nobody says two timing anymore. It’s always called cheating.
People stopped using necking probably in the 60s or 70s.
Today it is not acceptable to call somebody with down syndrome, retarded.
When I was growing up, and a kid was acting out in a horrible way all of the time, you called them disturbed.
Those are all terms that I knew about years ago when I was 12.
Blows my young boomer (b.1959) mind why the generations are supposed to resent each other so much
Because this generation of Boomers who conformed, created a mess with our country. They keep upholding the status quo, care mainly about money and status, and vote for fascists
As soon as that boy started talking about everyone leaving their 2 level home, with its 2 cars, 2 kid family at the same time every day, and returning home from work at the same time as every other man, I immediately thought of those scenes in Olivia Wilde’s chilling 2022 film, Don’t Worry Darling.
I wonder if she saw this documentary.
It would be Nice to see how things turned out for them!
When we gather for reunions there are no divisions among us. Time has been a leveler.
Thank you Sir.
I googled this docu it was huge at the time & many of the these kids, married each other & stayed in area. They still come together for reunions etc
2:34 - An acronym or something she wants to do?
God Bless David Hoffman! I'm in my mid 40's. I went to a private school, but I always wondered where all these formalities came from. It's so icky. I play rock, and punk, and I understand why everybody was so hung up back then.
Hello David, big fan here!
In the beginning you mentioned 'clips from the doc' - do you usually post just clips from your films or do you upload the whole thing? If the first one is true, are you open to posting the full versions more often?
You're a real one, best wishes
From time to time I do post the complete film but really as they are not watched like the clips are --the clips get a much larger audience.
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Did not realize the term normie was this old. I'm glad its being recycled and getting new use.
It seems that at 9:59 YT copyright filter is muting the video due to the music. It cuts out abruptly there, and picks back up at 10:26.
Thanks for a very enlightening film! I especially got a kick out of the woman @17 mins. Thankfully, we've come a long way baby!
Mr Hoffman, there's a company called Celemony who has a product called Capstan which can correct the warped artifacts from these older tapes having aged, at least for their digital re-recording off of the tape/vinyl.
may be of interest to look into if you'd like to remove those artifacts from your uploaded versions of these older film.
Thank you. I will definitely take a look.
David Hoffman filmmaker
These people in 1966 were creepy and unreal. Teens like these were too much all about keeping up to look better than others (all vanity), exams fraudsters, materialism to show off, classist discriminatory elitism, club life for belonging sense... Funny these things hasn't changed too much to today. Great job, thanks David.
I liked the way they talked at that time.
good video
Oh wow. My Dad was 16 in 1966. My Mom 13. Definitely their era LOL
Fascinating!
Wow look how well-spoken and thin everyone is.
Fascinating
"So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark-that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back."- Hunter S Thompson
My mother was born in 47. She often says about her generation "We were so sure of ourselves." And thats all she's willing to say about the subject. I do get that personal responsibility finger wag.Its a little hard to take.
Why did you cut the sound in the clip in the middle?
I grew up in a progressively suburbanizing town in Suffolk County NY with a continual flow of city folk buying small homes in the area. I became a teen ager in the mid 60s and became interested and involved with the sub cultural influences that were being promoted on radio stations like WNEW out of NYC. These FM radio stations were like transmitters for all of the locations in the area where “underground” bands were surfacing whose music was greatly influenced by the Timothy Leary LSD doctrine as well as bands like the Greatful Dead, who were huge proponents of the drug culture in general. I was infected with this new “culture” through my older siblings. In retrospect, I have come to believe that if the majority of parents in any given community understood the value of education and were playing a major role in their chlidren’s lives, and was widespread within that community, I believe most young people wouldn’t pay much mind to the alternative cultural influences in those places. All it took for my older siblings to go wrong was to meet and develop friendships with other kids who were already being indoctrinated and experimenting with drugs. It was like a virus at the time that was spread from one person to another through acquaintance. It is my understanding that many baby boomer parents didn’t have a clue on how to intentionally raise their kids, thinking that they would just grow up and become what they were supposed to become in the way that they themselves did. How wrong they were.
Uptight comes to mind ...
The cop could have been talking about the "snowplow parents" we have today. So much is taken care of for the kids that many don't know how to be self-reliant. Amazing how things don't change.
My mother grew up in Australia but she would have been 16 in 1966. I'm trying to see her in my mind as 16.
2:37 happy but has the K.I.L.L. on her shirt 😂
This was very good. I'm a big fan of Frank Zappa and as an Englishman this video helped me understand his perspective more.
I live a little south of Webster, even into the late 90's the educational system acted like this was the norm (talking about the professor at 5:30) I cried every single day in elementary school because I got up at 4 to catch a bus at 5:45 and then rode the bus for 3 hours to school (was usually late to 1st class because busses were late) and then was expected to do the same in reverse in the evening PLUS 6 hours of homework a night.
I stopped doing homework. Totally shut down in 5th grade.
That’s an insane school day, no wonder you broke down.
17:00 having a life anything like what this women must of had absolutely terrifies me.
Love to see how they turned out