The S&W Pre-Victory and S&W Victory Models | Collector's & History Corner
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2016
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A Presentation of the S&W Pre-Victory and Victory Models that were used during WW2.
This is a historical overview of the S&W Pre-Victory and Victory Models used by the Allied Nations during WW2. The British Commonwealth used the S&W .38 Hand Ejector revolver (aka Pre-Victory Models). The cartridge used was the S&W .38/200. When the United States joined the war, Smith and Wesson then developed the Victory Model which used the .38 Special cartridge. The S&W Victory Model revolvers were used by the US Navy, Naval aviators, and Marine aviators. On top of the Victory models were specific labels such as US Navy, United States Property, or US Property. Sometimes on the Victory Models, the US Navy or US Property markings were shaved off by certain owners believing that it should be a civilian revolver instead. Famous people using the Victory Models were late President John F. Kennedy, US Marine aviator Pappy Boyington, and former President George H W Bush.
Also in the video is a safety lesson in regards to the use of revolvers.
Books Mentioned:
US Handguns of World War 2 by Charles Pate
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.380 Enfield No. 2 Revolver by Mark Stamps & Ian Skennerton
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John F Kennedy on PT 109
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Former President George H W Bush
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US Marine Aviator Pappy Boyington
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Oswald Revolver
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Great video. I love this kind of content. I am U.S. Navy retired Aviation Ordnanceman. My first command was a helicopter anti submarine squadron stationed at NAS Jax. I got there in January of 1990. The squadron had S&W 38 specials with the 4 inch barrel. Pretty sure they were not the U.S. Navy market ones, but pretty sure they were the U.S. Property market ones. In the summer of 1992 we sent them off to Crane Indiana and Crane shipped us the M1911A1s.
Cool , love the Navy aircrew kit.
I respectfully disagree with the revolver being an obsolete design , it definitely still has its place ! Whether it’s for police back up or civilian application it is and always has been a choice
Don't forget the niche of firing large caliber handgun rounds it fills!
It’s obsolete as a combat handgun. Obsolete doesn’t mean useless. I’m a cop and I carry a j-frame as a backup. I carry a k-frame combat magnum off-duty as well. I realize there are more modern designs that are easier to maintain, extremely reliable, and hold more ammunition. I just like revolvers and shoot them well. I also handload ammunition and I shoot my revolvers more for obvious reasons, so I don’t have a problem carrying them. You bet I understand their limitations though.
Excellent video i have one victory i live in Honduras and i'm an antique collector, i always appreciate the north american wapons are built with the best materials.
Excellent review!!! I recently came across (my first and only) SV serial numbered Victory revolver in excellent condition with its US Property marking intact. The factory letter confirmed that it was shipped to the US Navy out in California in 1945. I love the simplicity of these old war horses, and believe they're a thing of beauty!
Then you got a keeper. And keep it close to you as the value will only go up in time. Thanks for commenting!
Excellent video review. Well done! I was especially appreciative of the information about USMC marked Victories. Gun Broker has one up for sale right now claiming to be Marine Corps rather than US Maritime Commission. Saved me a bunch.
The trick that is often used in selling the Maritime Commission guns is to say that it has a factory letter saying it was marked USMC and letting the possible purchaser to assume its Marines. therefore its not fraud on their part.. buyer beware!.
Great info. I have my uncle's s&w 38 from wwii. He was Col Earl E Bates Jr. Commander of the 79th Fighter Group. Flew a P40.(The 99th was attached to him in northern Africa. I have pics of him and Gen Monty.) I learned from this video it was a common wealth pistol. 996642 WE, 5"Barrel, 38 S&W CTG. We knew he brought it back from Europe after the war. I supposed it was his issue firearm, after watching your video he Probably got it from the Brits.
THANK YOU SO MUCH
Family heirlooms are priceless.
I'm from north africa - FROM LIBYA. I have this version of revolver. S&W 38 SPEICIAL CTG. from WW2.
Many, many thanks for a mighty great history lesson on the Victory model. I just purchased what I thought was a Navy holster just like the one in your video but without the embossed U.S. on the flap. Probably a commercial model holster instead of military. Anyway still a perfect fit for my pistol.
My father was part of the 1st South African Division in the North African desert, and tried his best to bring his .38 S&W home with him, but the quartermaster-sergeant was having none of it. My dad was able to bring back his webbing holster, however - just like the far-left one above - and into it he placed the German Walther P38 pistol that he had captured, and kept it there for the rest of his life. It was a perfect fit!
Shhhh uncle same isn gonna shit himself if he reads this these days 😂😂😂
Its not the gun's fault it skipped a round, it was operator ERROR.. You short stroked the 5th shot. Either you couldn't complete the trigger pull or you can't follow thru on that pull that's why it skipped the sixth round.
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Initially my response is you have great echoing acoustics that or the tinnitus is happening again either way good information about em
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I found a Victory snub in a local Filipino site. The owner (a young soldier) wanted it out for 1k USD, it was "restored" (just a new coat of phostphate, and reconditioned wartime stocks)
An old retired cop in my hometown who was the department's firearms instructor and a member of the civilian gun club I also belonged to related that after the War these guns in .38 Special were channeled into law enforcement as government surplus. The smaller .32s and .38s were thus phased out during the later 1940s and the S&W Model 10s and Colts Official Police came to standardization and dominance thereafter until the Glock ascension.
I purchased many years ago a US Navy marked S&W Victory model that was in a bunch of guns that had been traded in from a Police department. They had replaced the plain wooden grips with S&W checkered ones and later transferred the guns to the civil defense and Auxiliary police.
...I just bought a consignment M&P ($450) from an LGS in Stuart FL - started life as a Victory model - V prefix serial number
I have an original 4 inch pre-Victory serial number in the 892xxx range. No lend lease marks and no import marks. Great shooter.
If it is in 38 SPL its US issue and not lend lease.
Researching a revolve my Dad had when he worked briefly as security at a LV casino. He purchased it at a pawn shop in LV. The serial number is V65xxx3, (for security reasons I'm not post the entire s/n) a non V-number 91886 is on the frame and crane at the hinge, on the cover or under it. On the rim end of the cylinder is the "P' 'V' and 65xxx3 markings. The wood bark looking grips have 154253 stamped in one. There is no manufacturer marks anywhere. On the frame right side is MADE IN U.S.A., on the cylinder is ENGLAND with a crown and a couple of unreadable marks at the scallops. On the bottom of the 1-5/8" barrel is a Crown mark with small BNP then .3/8" .767" next line 3 1/2 TONS then some more unreadable markings. Other markings are a 'P' on the top strap left side. And what could be a 'D' above the 91886 on the frame. There is a plug in the handle frame where a lanyard swivel was. Finish is bright blue. Any way to get details on date and manufacturer
You have a Lee Harvey Oswald special.
Thanks for the great video. I have a matching number 5"barrel model with what appears to be original commercial bluing finish, well worn S&W diamond stocks with silver medallions and lanyard ring. Chambered in .38 S&W Ctg. Appears to be three "crown" proof marks on barrel and frame, "NP" barrel stamp and frame crossed sword?. Large "P" stamp on top of barrel. Serial number 764184.
What kind of value would you put on the rare Red letter Navy model marked on the top and side of the gun?
I have a pre Victory, Canadian army marks and a previous owner shortened the barrel. 30Ft shooting distance gave it a drop of 2 inches. Ammo supply issues meant I used 50 year old surplus ammo and some had loads that did not fire... my gunsmith said I should convert it to .38 special but I could not butcher it, all numbers matched. Soon it will be deactivated to EU standard.
Was the pistol that was taken from Lee Harvey Oswald a 38 S&W converted to 38 Special?
thanks for the information.. I have a V1562XX Also have the holster, says Boyt Des Moines, IOWA on it..no year. I'm guessing its a first year Victory Model Navy issue. Are there any speed loaders that work with this model? Looks like it would be a tight squeeze since it doesnt swing out quite far enough.
my Dad has 5" victory model .38/200 that had a lanyard ring that some one had cut off before he got it there's no import markings on it It has the v Mark then the lanyard ring then the 6 digets number starting with 2 3 as the first to digets Avery thing has matching serial numbers but there is another number on the swing out cylinder arm and the inside with a 5 diget number starting with 85594
That number was a sequence number that kept match frames and cranes together before the serial# was assigned and the gun assembled. It wasn't uncommon for frames to be as much as two years or more before they were actually used to build a gun. This one of the reasons why many of the production charts are rather vague beyond giving a range of years in which a serial number range was produced.
Good afternoon friend, I would like to ask you a favor. I have a Smith & Wesson revolver and would like to know the year it was made. is there a website that i can consult. Thanks
Just resourcing a 38 sw my great uncle brought back from England it’s a 4” and has several crown stamps on the gun also a Parker Hale England front sight with a high luster finish it is now in 38 special serial number 880623
How do you get the number researched by S&W
Thanks for the great information
I have a victory model we the serial number is v154081 can you tell me anything about it, thanks
Had no Idea that these were worth that much $$ now got min back in the 80's think it was $120, thought it was pretty cool 5 inch barrel 38 S & W WWII guess it's 80 Yrs old now,
I'm posting this a second time.. I didn't originally send this comment like the previous where words are not properly separated.
---Jim Farmer
I own John Henwood's 1997 book: America's Right Arm: Smith and Wesson Military and Police Revolver." Unfortunately I understand only 500 copies produced. In fact, this fine book may not even be available today. I have posted numerous online comments on classic K-Frame Smith and Wesson .38's and .357 revolvers it would be totally redundant here. Now, lets talk about the April 19th, 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in Nazi occupied Poland during World War II (1939-1945). It was a small number of handguns smuggled inside the Ghetto that allowed Polish Jews and others to temporarily resist the SS and hold out for a month. Unfortunately, most or all eventually died during this act of Holocaust heroism. Watch online the 2001 video: "Uprising." The S&W .38 Special Victory Model is depicted in the 1954 movie "The Bridges At Toko Ri" which depicts a U.S. Navy aviator shot down over North Korea during the Korean War (1950-1953). It also appeared in the 1963 movie: "PT 109." What else can I add here? A person armed with a simple .38 caliber revolver and a survival or hunting knife, especially one skilled in outdoors survival, could no doubt not only defend and protect themselves, but likewise if necessary forage, hunt, and temporarily live off the land thus being able to survival.James A. "Jim" Farmer: Ashland, Oregon .Native Southern Oregonian since November 1956
I own John Henwood's 1997 book: America's Right Arm: Smith and Wesson Military andPolice Revolver." Unfortunately I understand only 500 copies produced. In fact, this finebook may not even be available today. I have posted numerous online comments onclassic K-Frame Smith and Wesson .38's and .357 revolvers it would be totally redundantto repeat here. Now, lets talk about the April 19th, 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in Nazioccupied Poland during World War II (1939-1945). It was a small number of handgunssmuggled inside the Ghetto that allowed Polish Jews and others to temporarily resistthe SS and hold out for a month. Unfortunately, most or all eventually died during thisact of Holocaust heroism. Watch online the 2001 video: "Uprising." The S&W .38 SpecialVictory Model is depicted in the 1954 movie "The Bridges At Toko Ri" which depicts aU.S. Navy aviator shot down over North Korea during the Korean War (1950-1953). Italso appeared in the 1963 movie: "PT 109." What else can I add here? A person armedwith a simple .38 caliber revolver and a survival or hunting knife, especially one skilledin outdoors survival, could no doubt not only defend and protect themselves, but likewisein necessary forage, hunt, and temporarily live off the land thus being able to survival.James A. "Jim" FarmerAshland, OregonNative Southern Oregonian since November 1956
Great video. I love old revolvers too , I just picked up an old s&w 1905 service model. Don't know much about the history on it , but would like to know where it's been in it's life. I only paid $150 for it so I know I got a good deal
Where can I find this info on my s&w revolvers ? And is there a cost ?
I have the same revolver. How do u know frame type?
The revolver is in no way obsolete! It still has its certain rolls to play in self defense.
Any idea what a Red letter Navy 38 special would be worth?
The R8 is an exception to the rule,but granted that is for a specific purpose,not everyday duty carry.
Is this the guy that said break pistols are weak what about the 45 British.
I have a Victory model V640xxx with a top marking "U.S. Property GHD" any idea what GHD signifies?
G.H.D - From approximately 1942 to about May 1943 the acceptance mark of Ordnance officer Guy H. Drewry is found on the butt. From approximately V300000 to end of production G.H.D is found on the left top strap.
The holsters are just as interesting as the revolvers.
I can put a 9mm cartridge in the 38 revolver ??
Amir bro, no. The 9mm cartridge is too wide to fit in a chamber of the cylinder.
Totally different cartridge, 9mm is for automatic pistols, also it is a much higher pressure cartridge. Assuming you could make it fit... with half moon clips or something, probably wouldn't be safe to shoot. Yes 9mm is also .38 cal.
Wouldn't want to be trying a speed reload with those ammo pouches. Can't even get them open.
Well done for spotting the squib, get rid of that old ammo.
I work for an armed security company. I got issued a 1970s Model 10 in .38 special =/
What are Dum Dum bullets
Is that Stan?
very interesting
Is it unsafe to shoot an M&P made for .38 S&W converted to .38 special with regular 158 grain ammo?
According to S&W they don't recommend using +P loads in the converted guns. Realize that the chamber in 38S&W is wider and so is the bore.
Thank you sir.
Cool but why can’t dude load it himself?(37:24)
Can I shoot 38 special on a 4 inche victory ? It says 38 sw special on the barrel
No
Bad ammunition. You should practice like this to find out which ammunition is reliable, the same applies for semi auto magazines. "Throw away that ammo", you could loose your life because of it.
Those British holsters at 16:48 dont really fit the Victory well, the swing arm part of the frame snags and prevents the flap to be buttoned up. I encounter this problem with my 4" barrel, which is the maximum barrel length for a victory that will only just squeeze in. There is no way these holsters will fit a 5" barrel victory!
Mine fit and locks flap. you might have a rejected holster unloaded on the surplus market.
No dash numbers on them old s&w? 🔫
They issued the s&W to pilots right through Viet Nam!
...why the trigger locks for a YT review???
It’s New Jersey, that’s why. Avoid this state at all cost.
@@HistoryCollectorsForum ...dude...I'm a refugee from the PDRNJ - left in Aug 79 for the free state (so far) of FL...have had my CCW for nearly 30 years...my dad gave me my first rifle (Marlin 81c) 60 years ago when I graduated grammar school in Packanack Lake...before the state went full Bolshevik...
@@HistoryCollectorsForumsame with massachusetts and new york.😢
Wow these pistols are in terrible condition lol..
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