All-flash NAS fight: DIY or Buy - Round III!

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  • @marcogenovesi8570
    @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +437

    Also big props for not locking down the bios and providing a convenient video port

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому +43

      Thank you!

    • @taylormanning2709
      @taylormanning2709 Рік тому +18

      Seriously. I’ve never been more tempted by a consumer solution

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому +16

      @@taylormanning2709 We appreciate your consideration! I'll do my best to fight hard for the consumer.

    • @beatyoubeachyt8303
      @beatyoubeachyt8303 Рік тому +1

      My lg g6 has a media server option in settings 2tb sd storage and the phone is cheap mine is $18.42 4gb ram snapdragon 821 all you need is to buy the sd cards 190mb/s 1tb sd on the g6 is $94 with out the phone.

    • @punchar4161
      @punchar4161 Рік тому +1

      @@beatyoubeachyt8303 LG G6 had user replacable batteries too., If you need to replace batteries these days., you need to have a torque wrench with ifixit kit

  • @ASUSTOR_YT
    @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому +466

    Hey Jeff! Thanks so much for taking a look at our first ever All-Flash NVMe NAS! We have made numerous improvements to our design since the last time we sent products to you and we'd love to share all the ways we keep Red Shirts out of our NAS and enthusiasts and tinkerers inside! With our recent endorsement of third party operating systems, (though without technical support) we're sure that using our NAS is nothing short of a NASTastic experience and we want to keep listening! If you, dear commentor; or youtuber, want to send me a message, feel free to do so! I love praise, comments, questions and even criticism! Hit me up and thanks again!

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +141

      Thank you for (officially!) allowing alternate OSes on your NASes! Now... when ZFS in ADM? ;)

    • @cli
      @cli Рік тому +11

      asustor my beloved

    • @kozygeorg
      @kozygeorg Рік тому +13

      This might be a stretch, but are there any plans to sell Nas enclosures without hardware built in, so it is for the user to choose. Love the direction where the asustor is heading in, with allowing other oses. Maybe there could one day be official true Nas and unraid support?

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому +88

      @@JeffGeerling I'm doing my best! I still have to really sell these ideas to the more conservative and risk-averse elements in the office too. But your backing helps me get the point across!

    • @liketheduck
      @liketheduck Рік тому +48

      This is how you build a good reputation. Not locking down your hardware, listening to feedback, and engaging constructively with your users.

  • @ortzinator
    @ortzinator Рік тому +10

    I really appreciate that you just go straight into it with no intro

  • @johngraham8278
    @johngraham8278 Рік тому +112

    One additional thing I'd call out when comparing HDD vs SSD: how much data you can store in a given physical space. It's a little insane to me the absolute minimal footprint that a flash based system can occupy, and for people who live in places where physical space is at a premium, that's a very real consideration.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +31

      Something I didn't even consider!

    • @s.i.m.c.a
      @s.i.m.c.a Рік тому +4

      the ppl who life in a small places, wouldn't be able to afford ssd prices. The only consideration is that mechanical drive is more prone to failure than ssd, however ssd chip could fry no problem as well

    • @cv990a4
      @cv990a4 Рік тому +25

      @@s.i.m.c.a Not everyone with money lives in big places...

    • @VitholumTech
      @VitholumTech Рік тому +13

      ​@@s.i.m.c.a I'm kind of making an assumption here, but I think he's referring to people that live in places like cities (where even a 39m2 apartment costs 60% of your salary).

    • @AlaskaHandyman1973
      @AlaskaHandyman1973 Рік тому +10

      ​@@s.i.m.c.amaking some pretty big assumptions there. Not everyone chooses to waste money on more space than necessary. Why is there a tiny house movement anyway?

  • @Rettro404
    @Rettro404 Рік тому +33

    Amazing product from asustor! Open bios is crazy, I love being able to use my own software

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому +2

      Thank you!

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 Рік тому +4

      Open bios shouldn't be "crazy", it should be expected / the norm for hardware that you buy - if the bios is locked, you don't really "own" the device. It's very sad that we're already at a place where an unlocked bios is "crazy" when that was the NORM for decades. Since when do you buy a PC that had a locked down bios / bootloader??

  • @youdontneedmyrealname
    @youdontneedmyrealname Рік тому +88

    The pocket nas is almost EXACTLY what I've been wanting for a few years. I'm a traveler who requires a lot of offline video storage.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +24

      Please go to the link to Rick's site and indicate what features you'd be looking for specifically. I can't wait to see the final version he comes out with... I've seen renders of a much more reliable prototype based on the Rock 5 model B, but there's still time to let him know if there's some other feature you'd be missing!

    • @youdontneedmyrealname
      @youdontneedmyrealname Рік тому +4

      ​@@hundredfireify I have been using a m.2 enclosure for a couple years but I'd like to be able to access it wirelessly sometimes like with my phone. I have used wireless storage devices before (I had a Seagate wireless drive and a western digital wireless drive) but the current solution don't support the flexibility I'm looking for yet. I want a AIO portable Nas with media output on it for tv. I'm asking for a lot but if it's not this device I was looking into buying a Latte Panda Sigma which offers a lot of what I am looking for. Speed, flexibility ("full hack-able" , portability, etc.

    • @darthwater999
      @darthwater999 Рік тому

      @@youdontneedmyrealname if you set up a samba share on your laptop you could wirelessly share your enclosed drive to your phone

  • @StillConfusing
    @StillConfusing Рік тому +41

    man it's crazy seeing those prices on ssds I remember paying $140 for my 1tb drive a few years ago

    • @Darkk6969
      @Darkk6969 Рік тому +4

      Yep. In a few years SSDs will be the only thing you can get. For now super large drives spinning rust is the way to go.

    • @KameraShy
      @KameraShy Рік тому +3

      I remember paying $400 for a 20 MB hard drive, just a "few" years ago.

    • @Sidecutter
      @Sidecutter Рік тому +1

      @@KameraShy I'm with you, I remember this same conversation and progression, but with GB instead of TB. On mechanical disks.

    • @Sidecutter
      @Sidecutter Рік тому +1

      Hah, I just bought two 2TB NVME drives at $200 each a few months before the prices dropped this year.

    • @EDATEC
      @EDATEC Рік тому +1

      Yes, it's crazy...

  • @BioToxin
    @BioToxin Рік тому +20

    the pocket nas would be perfect for me as a trucker, great to store some games on for my laptop, might even be able to make a ceph storage cluster , that would be something

    • @TheCraigW76
      @TheCraigW76 Рік тому +1

      I do wonder if it'd run CEPH. I tried setting up ROOK CEPH on a microk8s cluster running on i5-6500T and 32GB RAM and ran out of CPU. Maybe I did something wrong, but certainly interesting.

    • @mrmotofy
      @mrmotofy Рік тому

      Couple external drives would be much simpler. Use 1 and keep a 2nd synced occasionally as a backup. Much cheaper

    • @Dyl_Cam
      @Dyl_Cam Рік тому

      Yea but why

  • @mikefarrington7141
    @mikefarrington7141 Рік тому +14

    The small SBC as NAS devices interest me for home clustering experimentation. Hiding a bunch of these around the house for distributed compute and storage would be neat... running your own little home cloud, the house is the server.

    • @mrmotofy
      @mrmotofy Рік тому +1

      I took an old dual cassette player gutted it and put an sbc in it with an 8TB drive. Set it in a detached garage that's hardwired. Now have a backup copy in a different building. Next step is getting a copy offsite.

  • @kozygeorg
    @kozygeorg Рік тому +19

    Awesome video Jeff! Love your thoroughness in your reviews. What I'd one day like about consumer nases is enclouseres for diyers to use. I can build a Nas in a case, but it has not enough drive mounts. I can build one in an old server but it is not power efficient and empty server chassis with drive bays are super expensive

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +5

      Yeah, there are very few cases you can buy that are great for NAS use cases. It'd be pretty cool if ASUSTOR used a particular spec for their main boards so you could pop in a mini ITX replacement or something. Would make it so you could buy a used consumer NAS, rip out the guts, and put in your own!

  • @Davvg
    @Davvg Рік тому +16

    I love watching these things, the $1300 is definitely outside of my price range but that is a fantastic little nas

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +4

      And costs will likely just go down over time, nice to have something to look forward to :)

    • @EDATEC
      @EDATEC Рік тому +1

      Wait a year and see.

  • @etimacias
    @etimacias Рік тому +14

    N5105 can easily run with 32GB of RAM - should help TueNAS. And the slow-down on write speeds is due to reaching end of cache. Most cheaper flash drives use QLC memory as the most cost-effective with some cache (DRAM or SLC). Once it fills - the drive becomes dreadfully slow. Would be interesting to see the influence of that for the ZFS poo performance.

  • @ServeTheHomeVideo
    @ServeTheHomeVideo Рік тому +1

    Boom! Ampere Altra at 128 lanes of PCIe Gen4! Nailed it this one. Something else that would be much better is the memory bandwidth which matters as well on all-flash NAS units.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      Now I need to start campaigning for ASUSTOR to build their next tiny NAS with an AmpereOne 192-core CPU with PCIe 5.0...

  • @Thermophobe
    @Thermophobe Рік тому +8

    data hoarding is the only reason i'd ever look at hdd going forward. thanks to oversupply of flash memory, it is a great time to set up a flash-only storage. not to forget how easier they are to move around without risking data loss.

  • @playeronthebeat
    @playeronthebeat Рік тому +2

    The pocket NAS is actually of GREAT use to me. This can be a travel NAS for me for my photography. It's easy to set up and I could put my data on it without blasting it on my PC and have it WAY more safe. The flashstore could a cool thing for me at home as an intermediate storage for hot projects, too. I could edit them there and after I'm finished archiving them on a slower NAS.
    Especially due to it not being locked down. This is a really great factor for people like me who have some DIY NAS and consider some pre-builts like this one so that they can be managed with the same OS.

  • @hikaru-live
    @hikaru-live Рік тому +4

    When you actually get 50+ PCIe lanes for your drives something like an AMD EPYC, you can run into another problem for an NVMe-only NAS: internal bandwidth of the CPU. When Linus Tech Tips filled up an AMD EPYC with 24 SSDs, he hit a major stability bug in the CPU, because all those NVMe traffic ate up the entire internal bus bandwidth of the EPYC processor and started knocking CPU cores offline!

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      That is one downside to NVMe, just like throwing hundreds of physical CPU cores in a system, all that NVMe can make things get wonky!

  • @XtianApi
    @XtianApi 3 місяці тому +1

    As an it pro, that shirt is insanely accurate to my life

  • @deanlawson6880
    @deanlawson6880 Рік тому +1

    Wow great video comparing the nitty gritty details on these 2 NAS solutions!
    So interesting and informative - Thanks for this Jeff!
    I also really like how the purchased NAS solution is basically open hardware and not locked down and you can install anything you want on it - Thanks the way it should be.

  • @roymorrison1075
    @roymorrison1075 Рік тому +1

    Yes saw this Nas a few weeks ago, that impressed I bought the 6 version, 6 x team group 2tb drives. Got it yesterday, can't stop playing with it 😀

  • @gingered
    @gingered Рік тому +1

    At my org we're already talking full solid state with U.3 drives for servers moving forward. The elephant in the room is we don't expect to still be buying spinning rust in 10 years, but we have a tendency to keep equipment in production for 6+ years. You might think "that's at least one more refresh" but sometimes you move at the speed of committee approval.

  • @JJFX-
    @JJFX- Рік тому +3

    Awesome! I'm stoked to see NVME storage really dropping. I picked some 1TB WD SN850X for $55/ea on prime day and a 4TB version for $220. There has been some crazy deals on 'slower' drives, especially PCIe Gen 3 models.
    We just need GPUs to finally reach some level of sanity again but that's about as likely right now as Samsung stopping their quest to be a crappier version of Apple.

  • @robertoblack8176
    @robertoblack8176 Рік тому +6

    The Oragmi thing could even run (even if i dont need) it on my powerbank,that caps at 10.5Watts probably all day long under good load.What are the chances?😂.Great Video Jeff,please keep going and stay healty.

    • @ricksterffr5155
      @ricksterffr5155 Рік тому +1

      I don't see why that wouldn't work? A newer version I am working on should make that a reality.

  • @Knirin
    @Knirin Рік тому +5

    The Asusstor read speed drop with truenas was from ZFS’s checksum verification on read. The N5105 is just a bit slow at that task.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +3

      Good to know! That does make sense, that ZFS would be adding some processing that holds it back a little.

    • @Knirin
      @Knirin Рік тому +1

      @@JeffGeerling Standard RAID uses some version of CRC32 by default which has had hardware acceleration for a while now. BTRFS also defaults to using CRC32 as well though you can use a different option. ZFS uses Fletcher4 by default and SHA256 if you enable deduplication.

    • @ultravioletiris6241
      @ultravioletiris6241 7 місяців тому

      @@JeffGeerling apparently ZFS isn’t great at handling flash storage. EXT4 and F2FS are reported as having higher performance for arrayed flash storage like these. With a faster CPU and more PCIe lanes, a more optimized filesystem might also give you closer to spec performance out of those M.2 drives

  • @anon_y_mousse
    @anon_y_mousse Рік тому +4

    I know it wouldn't be very fast, but I'd love to see an actual pocket NAS that used a Pi Zero W so I could power it with batteries and push/pull files to/from it while it's in my pocket.

  • @EDATEC
    @EDATEC Рік тому +1

    Hey Jeff, great content!

  • @plica06
    @plica06 Рік тому +1

    Another thoroughly researched and excellently presented video by Jeff "The Man" Geerling.

  • @impy1980
    @impy1980 Рік тому +4

    FYI the Intel N5105 will run 32GB (2x 16GB only) of RAM, I've got that installed in my QNAP TS-464 NAS, and plenty of people confirm it on Reddit. Now, I know Intel does specify a max of 16GB, and it does state that on it's website, however pre-late October 2022, when I was researching to buy a new NAS, Intel's website did say max 32GB of RAM, which is why I went hunting on Reddit, coz reviewers were saying !6 but I saw intel say 32. I think it might have been that "your millage may vary" scenario, because even though Intel pre-October said 32GB, QNAP always stated a max of 16GB, so I think Intel were initially edging their bets, and QNAP were being conservative to ensure they could 100% support customers. I've had 32GB running for 5 months now without issues. But I agree the weakness of the N5105 is it's PCIe lanes, QNAP only offer PCIe 3 x1 speeds, to split up what they are trying to do with 4 SATA drives, 2 onboard NVMe slots, and an add-in PCIe slot for 10Gbe or 10GBe + 2 NVMe cards, I came from a J1900, so even if I wish for a little more, the N5105 is a pretty capable CPU. I would say look out for Intel's Alder Lake N100, N200 and N350 CPUs, even faster and more power efficient, I've got a N100 in my new pfSeense firewall mini PC.
    I like the idea of the small SoC NAS, once we get a little more power I might deploy one at my mum's for a media server, they watch a lot of legally obtained films.

  • @JH-uu7jl
    @JH-uu7jl Рік тому +4

    The cost of quality NVME SSDs has dropped by half in the last 14 months. Maybe others prefer the rock bottom pricing of spinning media but the premium for NVME SSDs isn't so premium anymore. Only capacity keeps spinning media in my NAS; if I could buy consumer-level 16tb SSDs, I probably would.

    • @vamwolf
      @vamwolf Рік тому

      Sadly you have to cherry pick them. Not all are the same. The best nand flash is always Corp/ server stuff

    • @estusflask982
      @estusflask982 Рік тому +1

      And if 8TB nvme wasn't $1000 each

  • @HydrarDraconis
    @HydrarDraconis Рік тому +4

    If the pocket NAS fan was squealing that badly, it's likely also damaged in shipping, ball bearing fans are the highest quality/longest lasting industrial fans, but they're also really sensitive to shipping damage, I learned this the hard way.
    It's a big reason why the PC building community considers them worse for noise than sleeve I suspect.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      Ah, could be. Shipping seems to have taken its toll on this poor device :(

    • @ricksterffr5155
      @ricksterffr5155 Рік тому +1

      I thought the fan was damaged the first time I fired it up. Surprisingly, that noise is the PWM interacting with the fan...

  • @DerekMahar
    @DerekMahar Рік тому +6

    At 9:50, you implied that unlike ZFS, Btrfs doesn't support snapshots and synchronisation. However, Btrfs does support snapshots and commands "btrfs send" and "btrfs receive" can send and receive snapshots between two hosts over a network, similar to ZFS commands "zfs send" and "zfs receive".

    • @patryk4815
      @patryk4815 Рік тому

      he likes ZFS and he also likes to delete comments that don't agree with his ideology ;)

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      Btrfs does, I wasn't careful with my wording there, as ADM does support Btrfs (and I used it on the NAS we deployed at my Dad's radio station). But some of the Btrfs features are not as easy to use through ADM as they would be on plain Linux, and that was more what I was comparing (ADM vs TrueNAS in particular) here.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +4

      I like ZFS but I ain't a ZFS zealot.
      And I never delete any comment on any video, except for anything with commercial spam (e.g. "Telegram me you won a prize") or explicit content.

    • @bzuidgeest
      @bzuidgeest Рік тому

      ​@@patryk4815I have had arguments with him several times. No comment was deleted, even if he didn't agree. Now bill Murray (the 8bitguy) on the other hand.... He does, maybe you are confused.

    • @DerekMahar
      @DerekMahar Рік тому +1

      @@JeffGeerling I use both ZFS (mostly in TrueNAS Core, but I've also used it on Linux) and Btrfs, and both work well, but I tend to prefer the ZFS snapshot model and naming syntax. Btrfs treats snapshots as directories in the same file system, so it's easier to misplace them, whereas ZFS records snapshots in a separate namespace that you can list easily with the command "zfs list -t snapshot". However, on Linux, I tend to use Btrfs more often because it is available in the kernel and requires less memory than ZFS. Though I've used ZFS for almost a decade, I've yet to learn how to control the amount of memory that the various ZFS caches consume. I guess it's never been a priority since I mostly run it on my TrueNAS machine.

  • @elchuelue
    @elchuelue Рік тому +4

    Hey Jeff, on 8:30 you should disconnect the 4pin dc power of JP1 from your supermicro X10SDV board. It's not recommended because of an alternatively support of two power sources.
    You can find this information in PDF on Page26 (1-18)
    Note 1: The X10SDV series motherboard alternatively supports 4-pin 12V DC input power at PJ1 for embedded applications. The 12V DC input is limited to 18A by design. It provides up to 216W power input to the motherboard. Please keep onboard power use within the power limits specified above. Over-current DC power use may cause damage to the motherboard!
    Note 2: Do not use the 4-pin DC power at PJ1 when the 24-pin ATX Power at JPW1 is connected to the power supply. Do not plug in both PJ1 and JPW1 at the same time.

  • @infinitytec
    @infinitytec Рік тому +9

    I've liked my TeamGroup SSDs as they are cheap, usually reliable, and have a solid warranty which I have used. What I don't like about them is most of their current lineup is DRAMless, but for my uses (homelabbing with RAID or ZFS, with spinning rust as my main NAS array) they work well.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +1

      DRAMless on NVME is less bad than on Sata as per the nvme spec the SSD can get up to 64MB of system memory (RAM) to use

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      Luckily I found the ones I used here, which still have DRAM; I linked to the model on Amazon and can confirm it seems they do have DRAM cache.

    • @jacobdavis6615
      @jacobdavis6615 Рік тому

      Are these SSDs ok to use in a NAS? I guess with all the videos I see from other creators I thought I’d have to shell out more money for NAS specific drives. Is DRAM just what I have to look for?

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +4

      @@jacobdavis6615 there is no such thing as "nas specific drives" either SSD or HDD, it's mostly a marketing gimmick that WD started in an effort to squeeze more money out of people.
      DRAMless SSD drives are usually cheaper and have lower performance, but just as with hard drives, that's not terribly important for a NAS where you are bottlenecked to 120MB/s by a gigabit connection (or 1-ish GB/s by a 10 Gbit connection)
      What you want to look at is the write endurance value

    • @infinitytec
      @infinitytec Рік тому

      @@jacobdavis6615 I've found them to be fine, but I'm mainly using them as either a read cache for HDDs or in an array that's at least mirrored. Would drives with DRAM be faster and maybe last longer? Probably, but capacity is more important than speed for me.
      I should also add that I have killed a couple. I now tend to skip the 128GB ones as the price of the larger capacities has come down and ones with more capacity in theory are more reliable.

  • @kinto92
    @kinto92 Рік тому +7

    You might be able to use more than 16gb of memory on N5105. Well i think it depends on the motherboard. I installed 2 sticks of 16gb on my Topton N5105 router just this morning and it works just fine. I also have a N5095 board with 12 sata ports. I installed a 32gb ram on that and it works too!

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +3

      Yeah, some people mentioned 32 GB works here. I know 16 does because that's the spec, and 64 doesn't because ServeTheHome tested that and it broke. So 32 might be the goldilocks if you want a lot of RAM.

    • @KnightRiderOfVoid
      @KnightRiderOfVoid Рік тому

      ​@@JeffGeerlingabout the slow perf you saw on TrueNAS, I noticed you're using SCALE, did you try Core? I've had bad performance experiences with SCALE and good ones with Core on limited hardware (specially old CPUs and lower end NICs supported by Core). May be woth a try...

  • @DavidM2002
    @DavidM2002 Рік тому +2

    I'd like to see them go one step further; a travel router with NAS capabilities using flash storage. For travel, or even for home use, one or two NVMe slots should provide plenty of storage. Great for travel or off grid use.

  • @SteelHorseRider74
    @SteelHorseRider74 Рік тому +5

    wow, those NASes look great ... the pocket NAS with its 10W consumption would be great to be put in my RV - an used as "offsite" storage 😉

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      That's about the perfect use case for such a little board!

    • @EDATEC
      @EDATEC Рік тому +1

      good idea!

  • @OscarSommerbo
    @OscarSommerbo Рік тому +9

    Asus's consumer electronics guys seems to be very pro-consumer, a breath of freedom with Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, John Deere and intel trying to end personal ownership.

  • @Armand79th
    @Armand79th Рік тому +2

    I would definitely consider the Pocket NAS for portable storage, especially off-grid.

  • @dsgamecube
    @dsgamecube Рік тому +1

    $1300 is a pretty sizeable price premium for the size and low power usage. I've been looking at making a 4U box with 10GbE and a Ryzen 7 5700G for both NAS and Docker, and it's looking to be about $1300 for two 4TB drives, with a $75 expansion card to add four more. Sure, that's six bays instead of twelve, but it's also about 6x the CPU performance, a lot more PCIe lanes, a decent GPU for transcoding, and a dedicated NVMe slot for the OS. I even threw in 2x16 of RAM, and I think it can take 4x32 if I really wanted to

  • @dangingerich2559
    @dangingerich2559 Рік тому +3

    I built my NAS using my old Ryzen 1700X with 8X 2TB Crucial MX500 SATA SSDs under Windows Server 2016 and Windows Storage Spaces. The processor, motherboard, and memory were leftovers from an upgrade, so it essentially cost me nothing, and the drives are now running under $100 each. (The 10Gb network cost a bit more.) Running with a mirror config and 8TB of usable space, I get about 800MB/s transfer rates, nearly saturating my 10Gb link.

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +3

      (angry neckbeard noises for your choice of using WinServer2016 and Windows Storage Spaces)

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +2

      Using what you have is always the cheapest option! (Though Windows Server 2016 is an interesting choice, it's more rare to see that used for a storage-only server).

    • @dangingerich2559
      @dangingerich2559 Рік тому

      @@JeffGeerling It's what I knew how to do. (Plus getting the license key from VIP-SCDKey.) It's not the best, but I tried other methods and couldn't get them right. Either they were too confusing to set up or I couldn't actually log into the share after getting it done to put my data in. It was too annoying, so after 2 months of dealing with it, I went with WSS. (The REAL WSS, not the dynamic partitions.) I also happen to have iSCSI targets on that drive set for my three Hyper-V hosts (self training lab) to back up to using the built in Windows Server Backup. Works great.

  • @DiyEcoProjects
    @DiyEcoProjects Рік тому +1

    Wow, you edit for Network Chuck? Thanks Jeff, you rock!

  • @vincelongman3264
    @vincelongman3264 Рік тому +1

    Woah that Pocket NAS is crazy small. Would love to see ASUSTOR make a tiny Arm NAS, with like the Qualcomm' 8cx Gen3/4 or MediaTek's WoA chip once that's finally out

  • @cyscott2714
    @cyscott2714 Рік тому +2

    I use a Raspberry Pi 4, Sata 2TB SSD, OMV, and no raid. That works well for me because I just have a few movies and TV shows on it, and all of those files are copied from DVD or Blu Ray discs I own, so I'm not worried about data recovery. I do get about 100 MB/s, which is good enough for streaming.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      Yeah, honestly a gigabit is enough for a lot of use cases, even 4K and more than one user, as long as the needs aren't too taxing.

  • @rideroftheapocalypse9953
    @rideroftheapocalypse9953 Рік тому +3

    OMV is actually pretty neat, I use it on a nas too.

  • @mithubopensourcelab482
    @mithubopensourcelab482 Рік тому +1

    I have created a NAS which gives best of price as well performance. I used bcache. Storage Pool - 3 X 10 TB hdd and 3 X 500 GB Nvme. I used 1 X 120 GB SSD - with Debian 11 . 10 TB HDD are coupled with 500 Nvme Drive. Used "writeback" mode. Once 3 devices created, I used btrfs over the these devices. Best part is that bcache gives me read and write cache together. So in a nutshell I am getting almost nvme performance on my sata hdd. I am also enjoy btrfs snapshots. To manage storage I am using cockpit. This serves my purpose.

  • @gcs8
    @gcs8 Рік тому +3

    My guess for the "subpar" ZFS performance is a mix of it still making checksums for data and how it is distributing data to the vdevs that report back they are done and have committed the data and the PLX switching that is going on adding latency, maybe? May also have to do with updating the metadata, would be a neat experiment to use 2 of the SSDs as a metadata offload for the rest to see if that brings your closer to generic raid.

    • @peterbronez1188
      @peterbronez1188 Рік тому

      Wonder if you could put an optane mirror set in there…

    • @gcs8
      @gcs8 Рік тому +1

      @@peterbronez1188 I don't see why not, but if you are thinking of using the Optane as a ZIL then it is mostly moot for SMB as SMB is async IO unless you set the ZFS dataset to sync=always.

    • @DocBlock
      @DocBlock Рік тому +1

      I agree with the checksum idea. I suspect if you turned them off you'd see that saturation occur pretty easily. Though I wouldn't recommend that as a long term solution; it's part of the point of ZFS.

  • @nate-youtube
    @nate-youtube Рік тому

    Thank you for sharing. The ideal specifications for my DIY NAS would include support for an ARM CPU, 10G Ethernet, and NVMe SSD. The prototype shown in the video is already very close to that.

  • @indy.b
    @indy.b Рік тому +1

    That "write speed cliff" which you fell off is there for al NAND based flash storage- sometimes better and sometimes worse. But it is always there. Basically when you write you are really writing to pre-cleared blocks of flash. The pre-clearing is a LOT slower than writing to an already cleared block. The pre-clearing happens in background using hidden blocks in your NAND flash device. If you do constant writes you eventually run out of pre-cleared blocks, then you drop down to the speed of clear-a-block-then-write. If you leave the storage alone for 10 minutes then you'll get another burst of high write performance then a drop back down to the slower write perf. All NAND based storage devices suffer this problem eventually, if your writes exceed the pre-clearing rate of the device. Enterprise drives normally just allocate more Flash storage to hidden blocks which are used for wither faster write performance, or to replace the inevitable failed blocks. For some more details, read "Over-Provisioning NAND-Based
    Intel SSDs for Better Endurance" which also talks about performance.

  • @T3chpat
    @T3chpat Рік тому +2

    Hey Jeff! Thank you for another super interesting video, I can really see how relaxed you're on camera now. Love to see the progress!!
    Quick question, I don't usually buy "merch" on YT, but I love the baby "chaos engineer", will you make it available in kids sizes? Something for 4-5y olds?
    Keep up the good work! I always smile when I see you've posted another video 😁

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      I should! I will try to see if Teespring offers kids sizes like that, I think they do.

    • @T3chpat
      @T3chpat Рік тому

      @@JeffGeerling Awsome, thx 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @trumanhw
    @trumanhw Рік тому +3

    This was a VERY good dive into this subject ... and you actually got better results than I got with an AMD EPYC with 128 PCIe Lanes ... in Dells R7415 (which Dell only provides 32 PCIe Lanes for all 24 NVMe slots). I'm looking at getting an R7525 ... but it's sad just how much you have to spend for U.2 access to some PCIe lanes just bc of games mfrs play.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      Yeah, I really wish U.2 were more available in the consumer space. To even get adapters for it can be a bit pricey. Would love consumer 2.5" drives to be around as drop-in replacements where SATA drives were used.

  • @MarkAmaro
    @MarkAmaro Рік тому +1

    I got the 6 drive version to replace my unraid server to reduce power usage, noise, and physical space. Gonna be setting it up in it's (probably) permanent location today and ensuring I copied everything over, but so far I'm pretty satisfied. Sure it's not as customizable as the unraid server but I wasn't really using everything unraid had to offer anyways.

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому

      Thank you for your support!

  • @TheCrystalGlow
    @TheCrystalGlow Рік тому +2

    Personally, I would use freeNAS for the pocket NAS. Much better solution overall.

  • @seanmartinflix
    @seanmartinflix Рік тому +1

    Grate video. Always enjoy. Just want to say I wold love to see you make your windows arm pc into a nas - server . Also I eat up both nas videos and anything to do with Linux on arm or windows on arm. Just saying. Love your channel

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      Might have to do it then! Annoyingly, they don't do TrueNAS on Arm yet :P

  • @nemtudom5074
    @nemtudom5074 Рік тому +1

    Okay, Open Bios is a killer feature.
    I wrote off pre-built NAS boxes for that exact reason, but, uggh, i may just consider this one then, because thats HUGE

  • @onedaytan5440
    @onedaytan5440 Рік тому +1

    不错哦,这些闪存型NAS是我想要的那种数据仓储设备,机械硬盘的NAS运行起来还是太吵了,尤其读写时的声音让我压力升高。虽然现在固态硬盘的每GB单价还是略高于机械硬盘,但是随着中国厂家的技术进步,固态硬盘的进一步降价趋势已经很明显了,之后如果哪家最终的产品能够做到足够轻便、足够安静、接口与处理器性能充足,那我就会选择购买了

  • @FragEightyfive
    @FragEightyfive Рік тому +1

    Loading up the pocketNAS or Flashstore with 4TB drives is where the NVME density wins. I was considering loading up a flashstore with 12x4TB drives.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      It's amazing how quickly 2 and 4 TB NVMe drives have fallen in price. I'm okay with just a few TB of usable space so I'm doing RAID 10 with 10 drives right now, plus 2 spares. But I could upgrade over time and double or quadruple the capacity, once 2/4/8 TB drives hit whatever price point I'm comfortable with.

  • @HomelessDeamon
    @HomelessDeamon Рік тому

    i never get bored of jeff's videos, its been a while since i saw red jeff tho

  • @jmr
    @jmr Рік тому +2

    That's why I like Asus routers. Easy to flash open-wrt.

  • @TomaszStachewicz
    @TomaszStachewicz Рік тому +2

    Oooh, another attempt at Rock5! Nice! Might dust off mine, the software support seems to have improved.

    • @tomspettigue8791
      @tomspettigue8791 Рік тому

      That's a Pine64 board, isn't it?

    • @TomaszStachewicz
      @TomaszStachewicz Рік тому +1

      @@tomspettigue8791 no, but it's easy to confuse. Pine64 makes RockPro64 board with RK3399 - same SoC as in Rock Pi4. Rock Pi4 and Rock5 are made by Radxa.

  • @TMoneyJones
    @TMoneyJones Рік тому +1

    It was DNS 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That shirt is top tier, brother.

  • @Ghfvhvfg
    @Ghfvhvfg Рік тому

    Pocket NAS With a case and battery what a dream , with a Ethernet port yay I would buy it

  • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
    @rightwingsafetysquad9872 Рік тому +2

    Awesome context for these products. Two thoughts:
    First: Why do you choose to edit over the network? It makes sense for a company like LMG with 2 dozen editors, writers, camera operators, and on camera talent all collaborating. But if it's just you and maybe an editing assistant, wouldn't it make more sense to keep files you're actively working with on your workstation and upload everything to the NAS when you're done?
    Second: For people like Jeff who actively use their NAS rather than just as bulk storage or a backup target Flash storage might not be as expensive compared to HDDs as it first appears. You should see significant power savings. And because Flash has nearly unlimited read endurance it should last longer.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +3

      Good question! It's mostly because I edit sometimes at my main desk on my Mac Studio, other times on my laptop, but like to be able to dump and work from the NAS in either case, even if I have to upgrade or shut down one or the other.
      I only really copy to the computer's internal storage (which is only a few hundred GB free...) if I'm going out on the road and need to edit.

  • @EvanBoldt
    @EvanBoldt Рік тому +1

    PCI x16 to quad M.2 adapters are like $30, so that Ampere option interesting. Or if you can find any motherboard that supports bifurcation you could make a full speed RAID array that isn’t bottlenecked by bus or CPU. I’ve been looking at an Epyc board that would support tons of PCI lanes - specifically the Asrock ROMED8T. You could put 26 full speed Gen 4 SSDs on that. Video editing is just barely too needy to run nicely on hard drives, and I don’t know of any solid caching solutions. Instead what’s making sense to me is RAID SSD’s as a “hot” pool to store an active video editing library, which then gets snapshots backed up to a “cold” hard disk pool.

  • @MichaelKlements
    @MichaelKlements Рік тому +1

    The Pocket NAS looks quite promising! I'm interested in how it interfaces to the Rock 5 B - I assume through the M.2 slot underneath the Rock 5 B, but it also looks like it has an interface through the GPIO pins, or are those just for power?

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      GPIO for power, the SATA all goes through a custom set of plugs that goes into a standard 6-port M.2 SATA adapter card.

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому +1

      Hi Michael!

  • @Monti-Nakjem
    @Monti-Nakjem Рік тому +1

    Sweet hack! An so so awesome how Asus sent you praise.

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому +1

      Hi there! We're not ASUS, we are ASUSTOR. We were spun off from ASUS but we are run fully independently as a separate company.

  • @tramcrazy
    @tramcrazy Рік тому +1

    I would very much like a video about using that ARM workstation as a NAS. That would be incredibly awesome.

  • @EsotericArctos
    @EsotericArctos Рік тому

    Looking at these, I noticed they had TeamGroup NVMe storage. TeamGroup are cheap, but they are not anywhere close to high performance. That said, they should last a while even in a NAS.
    Spinning drives still have their place if a lot of read/write actions are going on. Spinning drives, despite being slower, will still saturate a 2.5Gbps connection and will tend to last longer. If your NAS is primarily reading data with little writing, then the NVMe could be an option.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      They didn't come with TeamGroup, I just bought those because they were cheap enough for me to afford for this video, but also decent enough they could perform well in aggregate.

  • @realandrewhatfield
    @realandrewhatfield Рік тому +1

    I predict it will be less than 5-10 years!

  • @terrorpup
    @terrorpup Рік тому +1

    I bow to the master. I am using Google Drive for my video storage since I am using my phone. I am looking for a camera in the poor man range. I have three SuperMicro with about 10 TB on each of them, but noise and heat is an issue. I have my PC that has 18TB of disk space, that I just got back online which the community freaked because I was still using Hard Drives. That my main place for editing because of the large amount of storage. I got a lot of comments about using 3.5 Hard drives. I like a NAS because then if my PC dies another Root Beer death, I am not dead in the water like I was. I carry with me a Libre Computer La Potato with a 2.5" 2 TB drive for remote storage with OMV, it nice to have a portable unit. So your Rock 5B would be great. Sorry I edit because I am dyslexic some time, my Yoda speak is hard for folks to follow.
    The one issue Jeff for us small home lab guys is this. 10 GB Network switch and cards are out of the out price range. 2.5 Ghz is growing, I just picked up a few USB Ethernetfrom ASUS that are 2.5 Ghz, I think I could get pci cards for my SuperMicros that wouldn't cost me my first born, but the issue is switches. I haven't see at Microcenter a 2.5 Ghz off the shelf switch I can go and buy. A lot of SBC are starting to come with 2.5 Ghz. Any thought how I could fix that issues so I could improve my DIY NAS storage? Storage needs faster Networks, and faster Storage ( NVMe are become the best as you pointed out for that. )

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      Check out Serve The Home; they just did a really cool comparison of a bunch of low-ish cost 2.5 Gbps switches, and I picked up one of the ones they recommended for my office. They're still a bit more than 1 Gbps switches, but way less than even the cheapest 10 Gbps switches!

    • @terrorpup
      @terrorpup Рік тому

      @@JeffGeerling Thanks Jeff. I will check them out.

  • @marcogenovesi8570
    @marcogenovesi8570 Рік тому +2

    Asustor is coming to eat Synology's lunch, finally some competition

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      Synology still has solid devices, but I do feel like they've allowed other entrants in the consumer NAS space to eat their lunch, yes. They've been content sitting atop their NAS throne lately.

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому +1

      Hello again! Your comments on the Linus Flashstor video were hilarious!

  • @SeaJay_Oceans
    @SeaJay_Oceans Рік тому

    Now that 20TB Drives are cheaper, it would be fun to just have a Pi Zero rinning a NAS IRONWOLF PRO.

  • @RixtronixLAB
    @RixtronixLAB Рік тому

    Nice video, thanks for sharing it, keep it up :)

  • @pseudotasuki
    @pseudotasuki Рік тому +1

    Considering how much RAM you installed, I'm surprdsed TrueNAS and ZFS saw so much of a performance hit even when striped. I bet it has something to do with those PCIe switches. I wonder if reads would be faster as a merged JBOD instead.

    • @pseudotasuki
      @pseudotasuki Рік тому +1

      My thinking is that with the limited number of PCIe channels, the commands are getting queued rather than being performed in parallel.

  • @armorclasshero2103
    @armorclasshero2103 Рік тому +1

    The other problem with the diy one is maintenance on failing drives. You have to take them all out to get to the ones at the bottom of the stack.

  • @Slushee
    @Slushee Рік тому +1

    4:52 "This PS2 style slab"
    So I wasn't the only one who thought it looked like a PS2!

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      Supposedly a little like a PS4 too, but I never owned one of those.

  • @tommisgurray
    @tommisgurray Рік тому +2

    Isn’t PCIe gen3 ~1GB/s/lane? Hearing that 8x lanes being a limitation sounds silly - even 8xPCIe gen2 lanes would be plenty, no?

    • @tommisgurray
      @tommisgurray Рік тому +1

      If you’re able to either view it in the datasheet or visually see where the PCIe lanes go, perhaps you can try that 3-drive RAID0 test again but make sure all 3 drives are behind separate PCIe switches.
      Even just 1xPCIe gen3 lane per should get you ~1GB/s to that PCIe endpoint. In fact, it may be just as interesting to simply try a single drive and see if you still hit that 600MB/s.

    • @reecepresley9442
      @reecepresley9442 Рік тому +1

      🫨🫨🫨

  • @EnglishMike
    @EnglishMike Рік тому +1

    2TB SSDs can be had for $60-$70 a pop right now, and given that the vast majority of people stream their video content these days (the days of hording hundreds of movies locally are over for all but a handful of diehards) there aren't that many users left who need more than 4TB to 8TB of storage to deal with their everyday needs. I've been accumulating data for 30 years, and if I don't count video, I have around 2TB of data stored locally, plus various backups. Everyone under the age of 40 in my extended family uses cloud services almost exclusively.
    There will always be exceptions, but the market is ready for the "everyman" SSD category of NAS storage to take off, and I can't wait.

  • @ssteele1812
    @ssteele1812 2 місяці тому +1

    "who are these for?". I am in the planning stages for building a NAS for my camper. I want to be able to stream from it while going down the road so my wife can watch movies. Can't do that with a bunch of record players. SSD for me please and with size and power consumption being an issue, I'll take the m.2 option. I am still really considering a SBC NAS of some sort. I really want to try to build one out of one of the N100 micro PCs.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  2 місяці тому +1

      That'd be about the perfect use case!

  • @rpavlik1
    @rpavlik1 Рік тому +1

    Unlike many ARM vendors, though, Rockchip does do upstreaming of their kernel support so it will work in the future with just a vanilla upstream kernel.
    (Also those SSDs are a lot cheaper than the Samsung I tend to use. Are they any good?)

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +2

      so far so good, but I've only been running them for a couple weeks now. I'll definitely update on my blog if I find any issues!

  • @mlsmithjr
    @mlsmithjr Рік тому +1

    This Asustor is my unicorn. I've been waiting for a small form factor flash NAS with 2.5G so I can downsize my media services from a rack mount to smaller with much less power consumption. Got mine on order and plan to pair it up with a Beelink w/2.5g also for all docker services and VMs. Thanks for sharing this - made my week.

    • @ASUSTOR_YT
      @ASUSTOR_YT Рік тому

      Thank you for your support!

  • @jase_allen
    @jase_allen Рік тому

    For someone with a large movie and TV library, that's not a lot of space. I have 3 NAS drives totaling 20 TB of space (plus a duplicate of each for backups) to house my collection of TV shows and movies ripped from DVDs and BluRays to watch on various TVs around the house. I have a few more TV series to rip to disk, then I'll be looking to add a couple more drives.

  • @Innocentdarkness72
    @Innocentdarkness72 Рік тому +1

    good week sir !!!

  • @ewenchan1239
    @ewenchan1239 Рік тому +1

    If you're using it for video editing, because you're always transferring large files, you're going to be burning through the finite write endurance limits of those SSDs GUARANTEED.
    The analogy that I like to use for NVMe SSDs is they're brake pads for super/hypercars.
    Yes, you can go really, really fast in super/hypercars.
    But you're also going to burn through the brake pads that much sooner as well.

  • @Rostol
    @Rostol Рік тому +1

    you have the knack for reviewing hardware I'm interested in buying. the opennes (is that a word even?) of the asustor has settled it, I'm getting one to replace my old syno (1511+ so 12 years of 24/7 service. can't complain but it needs an upgrade).

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      Yeah; honestly I was quite happy with my little old-Xeon-NAS I built... but if ASUSTOR has open hardware, I like that I can have my NAS cake (hardware purpose built for storage) and eat it too (TrueNAS, or whatever OS I want).

  • @bkucenski
    @bkucenski Рік тому

    All I'm waiting for is 32TB of NVMe to be at least somewhat affordable. I currently have a NAS with 4 8TB spinning disks. I'd like to get a second unit going so I can switch to solid state for the primary and keep the spinning disks as a backup.

  • @mscv
    @mscv Рік тому

    hey Jeff, great content. Where do I get the dual purpose card you mention in the beginning? that would be a great upgrade for my NAS. 😊

  • @hackerx7329
    @hackerx7329 Рік тому +1

    SSD costs are coming down but at the same time hard drives just keep packing more and more storage per drive with WD now listing 26TB drives with 20 and 22TB drives being fairly common at this point.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      Those high end drives are a little exotic and risky to deploy for a desktop scenario where you might only have 4-6 of them, but they do bring the cost per TB way down! I hope to see NVMe prices continue to fall. It's been pretty dramatic the past 3 years.

  • @peterjhartvideo
    @peterjhartvideo Рік тому

    Thanks so much for this, Jeff

  • @KiraSlith
    @KiraSlith Рік тому

    At that low density, you wouldn't need the NAS in the first place if you weren't using a Macintosh. 2 Crucial P3 4tb drives is $400, and most modern machines support some kind of PCIe bifurcation, so one $15 adapter later, you have local redundancy at a full 2gb/s.

  • @tom98vr4
    @tom98vr4 Рік тому +1

    at first I thought you were utilizing a ps4 for a nas. thanks for your video.

  • @SebastianLopez-nh1rr
    @SebastianLopez-nh1rr Рік тому

    I use an 8Gb zimaboard running Truenas core with HDDs and an M2 SSD cache and it works great!

  • @fwiler
    @fwiler Рік тому +1

    It's too bad Intel is so hellbent on not allowing bifurcation on consumer gear. Nice to see Asus doing what they can to bypass this. It would be nice to see an i3-13100T variation of this so you could get at least 20 lanes.
    Also 10Gb on their 6 bay would have been nice. I see 4TB nvme's with dram for $168 right now. So for $1000 you could have ~22TB of extremely fast storage in a very tiny enclosure.

  • @orange_district
    @orange_district Рік тому +1

    I assume the squeaky noise is coming from the buck converter instead of the PWM controller directly.
    Had the same issue on my 3D printer. There are different solutions out there for that specific problem.

  • @yuiwayui
    @yuiwayui 11 місяців тому

    6:01 oh my the rolling shutter caused jello to the device 😂

  • @mjmeans7983
    @mjmeans7983 Рік тому

    But is TEAMGROUP a high enough quality for a NAS? Like the 2 TB M.2 has a 5 year or 5 TB written warranty. So you can only write the entire drive a little over twice before the warranty has expired? Wouldn't the drives be out of warranty in just a few months when in a zFS pool due to periodic scrub?

  • @MickeyMishra
    @MickeyMishra Рік тому

    I still think using a Mac mini m1 with 10gig ethernet will probably be the best way to go for a high powered NAS.
    A few Thunderbolt 2 PCIe adapters would be required to install all of the storage needed. Along with having a Thunderbolt 2 gigabit adapter. You can also add on a storage array of your choice and you still have two USB 3.0 ports

  • @TominiOfficial
    @TominiOfficial Рік тому +2

    Awesome video as always. But I have no use for NVMe benefits. Could you look into NAS options with SATA ports?
    I used ODROID-HC4 with 3D printed case from Hardkernel forum. That thing was awesome. The quietest NAS I tried...
    But it had only 2 SATA ports and if you wanted to transcode for Plex, you'd get away with maybe 1 stream at max, if even that.
    I hate my Synology, but can't find a good DIY x86-64 solution as electricity is quite expensive. Would love to see NAS that could idle at the wattage of drives and even with Plex transcode it wouldn't skyrocket.
    EDIT: Grammar.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому +1

      So far I haven't seen anyone make a nice integrated RK3588 design for SATA HDDs, but I'm sure it'll happen. The Rock 5 is probably better suited for an array of HDDs regardless. For NVMe or SATA SSD, the chip just can't pump through the bits too much faster than an older Pi.

    • @ricksterffr5155
      @ricksterffr5155 Рік тому

      I do have a board I designed that holds 7x SATA M.2 drives and sits on top of an intel NUC. It has a printed riser that extends the case height by about an inch. I may make those files publicly available for DIYers at some point. I have been using that as my home NAS for about a year now. The pocket NAS was me trying to see how small I could possibly go. Next version should be a bit smaller :)

  • @BrianMartin2007
    @BrianMartin2007 Рік тому +1

    Wende from Level 1 Techs installed 32GB of ram and it was happy

  • @denvera1g1
    @denvera1g1 Рік тому +2

    Imagine if the Flashtor had an i3-1215u, which is the same MSRP of the Atom, i mean i3- N305, 20 lanes instead of 8
    If using DDR5, 256GB instead of 16GB
    Same number of E cores, but 2 additional P cores(as opposed to 0)
    With bifurcation you in theory would not need a PCIe switch/PLX
    each NVMe could get a direct single gen 4 lane to the CPU, and the 10G could get a full 4 lanes, allowing for up to 40G networking if they wanted.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  Рік тому

      Yeah, though after speaking with ASUSTOR's rep, it sounds like Intel doesn't have a goldilocks chip for a device this size that can hit the thermal/power requirements, while also hitting a price point where they can still make the profit target they would like to.

  • @yorks_atheist3069
    @yorks_atheist3069 Рік тому +1

    looking at rebuilding my nas at the moment
    Have a spare raid card so tempted with using a Rockpro64 as this has a PCIe slot bult in

  • @hatimmoxs
    @hatimmoxs Рік тому

    Good video Jeff!