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This has the odor of Veganism on it; but was it someone who was pro-Vegan, or one of the writers who got tired of having to always go to Vegan places...
Well, In another reality canon.... An entire Star Trek series was named after.... An STD. Seriously, You can actually feel the urge to scratch that burning (black alert) itch whenever going into warp.
I like to think that at some point, Roxann Dawson was practicing various ways of delivering the line in front of a mirror. "GET the cheese to sickbay! ... Get the CHEESE to sickbay! ... Get THE cheese to sickbay! ..."
I'd be asking why the air ventilation system didn't have filters and purifiers. Seems like an extremely basic precaution to have on a ship of this sophistication.
One of the modifications of the ships systems was turning the kitchen into a bio lab containment facility, the voyage crew still to this day refuse to disclose why they did this.
In retrospect it's pretty clear that Voyager was written as Lost in Space for the 90s; the whole show follows the rhythms of a domestic sitcom, just aiming to produce sci-fi headscratchers rather than laughs. That's an observation rather than a complaint, but it does complicate the question of how The Orville (which has some of the same creative team) fits into the Star Trek mythos.
@@contrafax No what he means is, how is it that the Orville, which IS a comedy, still comes off as better Star Trek, then the current incarnation of Star Trek. But I think the answer is in the question. It's the same creative flow, energy and mythos, just balanced less science and more comedy, but still in the same earnest exploration of the human condition.
The Orville doesn't fit in with star trek at all it's just TNG or VOY due to the fact it's just a carbon copy of 90s trek over worn story telling rehashing the same ideas used by TNG and VOY just with a different skin. TNG set the stage and DS9 took it to places that Berman was to scared to go and he ended up ruining the potential of Voyagers situation and turned it into TNG 2.0 and did the same with the Orville making it TNG 3.0, I am truly grateful that crap show lasted 4 seasons there was nothing funny about it, only the cgi was fun to see, the rest was dull.
@@AgentExeider Okay that makes sense but I don't think the current Trek is that bad. Not a big fan of Picard or Discovery but I love Strange New Worlds.
@Jhad That's sad. You realize 4 seasons is more than TOS, TAS, Prodigy, and ENT got. Even Picard only got 3 (although that was planned). Why root for someone else's failure? I want current Trek to be better. I don't want it to end. If you didn't like Orville, that's your prerogative, but it doesn't help you to have it canceled. As for it being a repeat... Disco 1&2 and SNW (very ironic for a title with "New" right in the title) are literally redos of eras we've already covered. While Orville actually had new worlds and new civilizations. This criticism just doesn't make sense to me.
"Captain, the Borg have just assimilated the Brietarian Species!" "But the Brietarians are a primitive race, they don't even have a writing system yet! The only thing that they are really good at is ... *making Cheese.* " "Ensign plot a course to Earth NOW!"
more likely they tested the original material but Neelix cludged together a fermentation and/or bacterial culture to cheese it up via his many and various biological weapons.
All material coming aboard is "tested". If it's beamed aboard the biofilters scan against a list of known hazardous compounds and automatically filter them out by not rematerializing them. Material that is brought onboard via shuttle craft or ship to ship transfer, is scanned either by internal sensors or in person by tricorder with appropriate red flags as necessary. However, Bio-neural gel packs are literally cutting edge technology. The designers probably never considered they may get "sick". They're also out in the middle of nowhere, among unknown life, material, and hazards. Odds are the spores from the cheese either didn't register as hazardous because the compounds that make them up aren't hazardous. Or since the computer is encountering them for the first time, it doesn't have cause to believe the spores are hazardous until told otherwise. I doubt the computer is running risk simulations trying to nitpick what a new material may do every time it encounters something new.
@@thomasschulz2167 Voyager was designed to be a long range research vessel, so they would regularly be in regions of space that are not fully explored regardless of being lost in the Delta Quadrant or not.
@@temparalflux914 But they would not be so far out that if they had a major issue, they could not get back to a starbase for help in a short amount of time.
@@IIGrayfoxII Tell that to The Enterprise D, seemed to happen rather regularly to them too and they were always zipping from starbase to starbase in between charting unexplored space. They got a Computer Virus (which was a novel concept at the time it was written) and had to deal with that without help from Starfleet.
I found it so fascinating, a Starfleet crew being so far from Federation space, having to apply all their training to being stranded in uncharted stars. Tuvok was the best and the worst choice to fold the Marquis crew into Federation standards and it's inspiring to see him, an officer disciplined in Vulcan logic and Human exploration to struggle to understand idioms and euphemisms of emotional people. Humans and others can learn much from Vulcans, but also vice versa.
See this is why i loved voyager, this is the kind of goofy over the top thing that would of happened on TOS but with TNG era tech and character development. But voyagers premise did not lend itself to this kind of fun _And_ the serious shit it had to deal with. Because of the seriousness of their situation this kind of shit is hard to have between episodes where a species of unassimilatable super aliens from a universe that is totally fluid with no empty space is showing up to fight the borg, and the episode wehre the herogine took over and turned voyager into a holodeck
Is this the only episode that ever really dealt with the fact the ship used bio-neural circuitry? Because I don't recall it coming up as a plot point ever again.
It also comes up in 'One' (Seven of Nine is alone while the crew is in cryo), where the radiation from the nebula affects the gel packs as well as all the other parts of the ship.
there was at least one episode where it dealt with a virus, others where it was affected by some or other but rarely did it come up as a major plot point
unimpressive ventilation and filtration system for an advanced spaceship in the future. Frankly that's unacceptable standards now, part of why SARS2 aerosol spreads so badly. Merv-13 or higher filter media in your HVAC, folks.
Starfleet tech is infested with incompetence "I'll bypass the security protocols just give me 10 minutes" it's a wonder why the borg even bother with phasers and crap when they can just hack every starfleet ship into exploding
I agree. Even in current homes, the basic premise of 'supply vents' and 'return vents' reigns. Supply vents provide 'good air' into the habitable spaces. Return vents lead air back into the ventilation system, back to the air handler, to be filtered and processed. In a starship, it isn't good enough to just put a filter in the way. It must be reprocessed and rebalanced with a proper atmospheric mix. If pathogen control is desired (trust me, it is) then it should also be going through some sort of biological treatment process before being re-fed out to the other parts of the ship. And with replicator technology, they really could just be disassociating the air on return and reconstituting it in supply tanks. The idea that the mold is sucked up into the return vent and somehow bypasses any and all filtration systems is to insinuate that their designs for environmental controls are impossibly simplistic. Better to have suggested it traveled around via normal circulation from opening doors and crew spreading it by hand, similar to the TNG episode where they caused systems failures due to a compound hazardous to their engineering systems.
Actually, I was just thinking about this a couple minutes before reading your post. It is true that the basic premise of Organism A being infected by Bacteria/Virus B is plausible But it is almost certain that the gel packs would be in a heavily isolated and regulated environment, making exposure almost impossible. Also, the idea of Organism from Planet A being susceptible to infection by a virus/bacteria from Planet B is much less so. Last I checked (which was a few years ago, so it could have changed) it was fairly widely accepted that when you are talking about species from different planets, there would be too much difference between the biologies for a virus to be able to jump to the new species. Not impossible, but close to "winning the lottery jackpot" unlikely. I figure odds for this actually happening is like flipping a fair quarter 100 times and having it come up tails every time.
While I find it hard to believe that bacteria got into the ship from Neelix's cheese, the fact is his kitchen wasn't part of the original ship specs in the first place. He managed to remove the Captain's dining room and install a kitchen before she noticed. That's the part that is even harder to believe, if you ask me. All that said, with the sheer level of stuff that happened to Voyager in the meantime, biofilters in the environmental systems failing to stop an unknown bacteria seems like it could happen.
The kitchen was already part of the Captain's private dining room. Neelix just saw it, started treating it like a mess hall and started cooking things for the crew.
If it wasn’t for the pot, he would be cooking meat on open flames to the point of burning the meat almost instantly. With the pot though, *seems* like he was boiling witch’s brew, with the pot being the cauldron, the pudding actually being the brew, so maybe he was actually a warlock in disguise.
I’m seeing points here about the Kitchen being a late addition to the ship’s design, but… did engineering never consider that food safety is a huge concern? I mean. Even if it wasn’t, you’ve had a FLAME COOKTOP under a VENTILATION INTAKE. Has nobody noticed any smoke when something gets burnt, or how the smells carry? A real kitchen fire might’ve sent smoke and ash into every section of the ship! Neelix might not burn things often, but he’s not in that kitchen 24-7, and you know some hapless cadet could’ve easily tried his hand cooking and learned that same lesson. And, Just as horrible as the ship’s gel packs getting ‘sick’, he could easily have spread all kinds of food borne allergens! Someone with severe shellfish allergies might’ve got sick from several rooms away if he cooked his shrimp wrong! Worse still, with some modifications, the intake actually could’ve been a good thing! Proper filtration systems and a little bit of extra shaping could’ve turned it into a fantastic vent hood!
I am surprised the food on the stove didn't end up all over the floor, Neelix or some other crew member with the amount of shaking the ship does at the slightest impact, or fires breaking out regularly in the Mess Hall.
Scientists and Engineers aren't perfect. With the gelpacks being a new technology, nobody might have thought of the unlikely event of food contamination. Several unlikely events would have to conspire to produce this result.
The possibility of the Gel Packs specifically being affected was a long shot, and a weird problem to have to begin with, which is good episode fodder. But my point is that food contaminants escaping the galley via any means except a crewman taking their meal to go, or a failure to wash their hands should never have been a thing, and probably wouldn't have been if any of them had food safety certifications. Again, that intake being right above open flame cooktops could and should have caused FAR more widespread problems even before the cheese incident.@@95DarkFire
That was never supposed to be a galley. Neelix probably took one look at what looked like an air intake vent in the roof, shrugged, and said "Well, if they came out here 50,000 light years with that tiny of an air ventliation duct, who am I to judge?"
As stated, I do understand it was a late addition never intended by the original engineers. That said, I would think that the current engineering staff would've done more than just dump him in a corner of the mess hall or whatever. I mean, in an episode of TNG, the Irish settlers couldn't get a fire lit without the ship's fire suppression system immediately sealing it in a force field to starve it of oxygen. They had to do at least a little bit of work to get Neelix's burner stoves set up, and them missing such an important detail is just... Killin' me here.@@TimeSpinner
live bacteria is volatile, so needs to be cleared ahead before you start messing around with it especially with biological contamination a huge possibility
I am still fascinated that they went from "We have replicators" to "Lets make an open fire stove in the cantina on a spaceship" instead of something in the middle like lets say an induction stove. I also wonder where they did get the gas for the stove ... so many questiones after all these years 🤣
IT was stated, that replicators need much more energy than real cooking. And the voyager Crew often uses vegtables and fruits found on away Mission, so they don't waste energy growing them. And despite Neelix Lack of cooking skills, IT is often said, that real food tastes better, than replicated.
@@llindner1983 That does not account for why they use an open flame stove as opposed to an induction hob as Mark said. The amount of times the ship gets rocked about an open flame would be a huge hazard.
Honestly the line that gets me here has nothing to do with the cheese, but rather Neelix's pudding that has to "simmer for four hours." NEELIX! LOOK AT THOSE FLAMES! SIMMER?!?!? Those flames are taller than I am! Your pudding is gonna be a burnt black brick!!!!
If it wasn’t for the pot, he would be cooking meat on open flames to the point of burning the meat almost instantly. With the pot though, *seems* like he was boiling witch’s brew, with the pot being the cauldron, the pudding actually being the brew, so maybe he was actually a warlock in disguise.
I just find it hysterical how this episode somehow managed to have a spiritual sequel in Lower Decks. Say what you want about that show but it is clear that its writing team is full of fans that had particular favorite episodes of past trek that are so under the radar you would not think they would be back but they are.
Would any of today’s modern food or whatever still be around by then, especially after essentially WW3? Could’ve been one of many things that was lost.
The thing about the U.S.S. Voyager that wasn’t really mentioned in the video is that the biocircuits were basically revolutionary tech when Voyager was built. The mission that got them stuck in the Delta Quadrant was the ship’s _maiden voyage._ The biocircuits were just simply so new that no one had stopped to realize that since they were organic that they would be just as vulnerable to disease as anything else. And with how good their sanitation tech was, they probably would have assumed no disease could have gotten even close to the computer systems.
It seems to me that this is not plausible. I believe they would have had advanced filtration that would have stopped this from happening. Still. "Get the cheese to sickbay" is VERY funny.
This is the most plausible.... considering the multitude of microorganisms that have higher thresholds of viability even in the most hostile environments and how little we know of even our own microorganic exology...and filtration systems can only account for what is known.
you didn’t pay attention to TNG or TOS, fid you? this was a huge plot point in multiple episodes! hell, one biological threat killed Sam Kirk and his wife and nearly killed Spock!
@@bostonrailfan2427 that was a paradite that took control of its hosts taking over ships or making the hosts build new ones to take the parasites to new worlds
@@stevensanderson2817 I'm sure they wouldn't have suffered so many food related health issues through out the series if somebody who knew how to cook was the ships chief.
@@steelwings2037 No one on the crew knew what was safe to eat or who was safe to trade with. Neelix was vital for knowing what was edible for humanoids and for his knowledge on all the races in the quadrant
@stevensanderson2817 Yeah because it's not like they have scanners or other forms of technology to determine if something is compatable with their bio chemestry or not. And alll those other ships pulled into the Delta quadrent seemed to survive without Nelix somehow.
Well look at it like this Nelix just saved everybody from Lunch there is now a reason Sickbay is empty and Doctor will have no patients that ate food from the Mess Hall so Doctor u have the day off computer Deactivate EMH
Someone, at some stage of the writing process, actually sat down and wrote the premise "the ship gets broken by cheese" 😅
This has the odor of Veganism on it; but was it someone who was pro-Vegan, or one of the writers who got tired of having to always go to Vegan places...
Then the writers of lower decks wrote “the ship gets deliberately broken by cheese”
I suspect someone thought bio neural gel packs were silly and wanted to show how silly it was.
You have to have goofy episodes every now and then.
Well, In another reality canon.... An entire Star Trek series was named after.... An STD. Seriously, You can actually feel the urge to scratch that burning (black alert) itch whenever going into warp.
You know they needed multiple takes to get "Get the cheese to sickbay" to come off acceptably.
Without breaking out in laughter
I would have laughed my ass off, the first take 😂
Ever wonder if there's a challenge among writers to include the most nonsensical lines in their scripts?
I bet the bloopers from that day are epic!
I like to think that at some point, Roxann Dawson was practicing various ways of delivering the line in front of a mirror. "GET the cheese to sickbay! ... Get the CHEESE to sickbay! ... Get THE cheese to sickbay! ..."
I'd be asking why the air ventilation system didn't have filters and purifiers. Seems like an extremely basic precaution to have on a ship of this sophistication.
The technological advances in hvac in response to covid were lost in ww3 apparently
One of the modifications of the ships systems was turning the kitchen into a bio lab containment facility, the voyage crew still to this day refuse to disclose why they did this.
They don't have HEPA filters in the 24th century.
There is always something that is alien enough that it gets past the filters be it the transporters, air filters or shields.
@@brandonfrancey5592 Cheese? CHEESE?!
Someone took "Behold the power of cheese!" to heart writing this ep.
Someone in the writing room liked their “The Cheese Stands Alone” magic card a little too much.
OK If you asked for a line you never expected to hear in Star Trek, Get the Cheese to Sickbay would be among the top contenders.
“Data was available. I took him, we came.” - Elizabeth Shelby, “The Best of Both Worlds”
Lmao FR, I died when I first watched this and it was the second star trek series I had watched, this line is beautiful out of context
"Prune juice, a warriors drink." - Worf
"Computer, deactivate iguana." - The Doctor
In retrospect it's pretty clear that Voyager was written as Lost in Space for the 90s; the whole show follows the rhythms of a domestic sitcom, just aiming to produce sci-fi headscratchers rather than laughs. That's an observation rather than a complaint, but it does complicate the question of how The Orville (which has some of the same creative team) fits into the Star Trek mythos.
The Orville is in a different dimension.
@@contrafax No what he means is, how is it that the Orville, which IS a comedy, still comes off as better Star Trek, then the current incarnation of Star Trek. But I think the answer is in the question. It's the same creative flow, energy and mythos, just balanced less science and more comedy, but still in the same earnest exploration of the human condition.
The Orville doesn't fit in with star trek at all it's just TNG or VOY due to the fact it's just a carbon copy of 90s trek over worn story telling rehashing the same ideas used by TNG and VOY just with a different skin.
TNG set the stage and DS9 took it to places that Berman was to scared to go and he ended up ruining the potential of Voyagers situation and turned it into TNG 2.0 and did the same with the Orville making it TNG 3.0,
I am truly grateful that crap show lasted 4 seasons there was nothing funny about it, only the cgi was fun to see, the rest was dull.
@@AgentExeider Okay that makes sense but I don't think the current Trek is that bad. Not a big fan of Picard or Discovery but I love Strange New Worlds.
@Jhad
That's sad. You realize 4 seasons is more than TOS, TAS, Prodigy, and ENT got. Even Picard only got 3 (although that was planned). Why root for someone else's failure? I want current Trek to be better. I don't want it to end. If you didn't like Orville, that's your prerogative, but it doesn't help you to have it canceled. As for it being a repeat... Disco 1&2 and SNW (very ironic for a title with "New" right in the title) are literally redos of eras we've already covered. While Orville actually had new worlds and new civilizations. This criticism just doesn't make sense to me.
Please state the nature of the medical emergency....."this cheese needs triage immediately!!!"
nurse, get me crackers, and 330ml of Chianti!
Fomage triage!
"I am a doctor, not a fromageur!"
Boimler will fanboy about that cheese one day.
I cracked up laughing at this scene. Voyager almost destroyed by cheese.
It's voyager shit got freaky.
Imagine if the Borg found out about this and sent a bunch of cheese back through time. The Federation wouldn't stand a chance.
who knows, perhaps the cheese has the power to destroy the Borg, making all the Drones sick or something.
@@clancykohlI could see that happening! But I love how this makes it sound like the Borg are lactose intolerant 😂
"Captain, the Borg have just assimilated the Brietarian Species!"
"But the Brietarians are a primitive race, they don't even have a writing system yet! The only thing that they are really good at is ... *making Cheese.* "
"Ensign plot a course to Earth NOW!"
So. .. they brought a bacterial culture on board without testing it for safety … especially on a ship that relies on biocircuits.
more likely they tested the original material but Neelix cludged together a fermentation and/or bacterial culture to cheese it up via his many and various biological weapons.
All material coming aboard is "tested". If it's beamed aboard the biofilters scan against a list of known hazardous compounds and automatically filter them out by not rematerializing them. Material that is brought onboard via shuttle craft or ship to ship transfer, is scanned either by internal sensors or in person by tricorder with appropriate red flags as necessary. However, Bio-neural gel packs are literally cutting edge technology. The designers probably never considered they may get "sick". They're also out in the middle of nowhere, among unknown life, material, and hazards. Odds are the spores from the cheese either didn't register as hazardous because the compounds that make them up aren't hazardous. Or since the computer is encountering them for the first time, it doesn't have cause to believe the spores are hazardous until told otherwise. I doubt the computer is running risk simulations trying to nitpick what a new material may do every time it encounters something new.
@@thomasschulz2167 Voyager was designed to be a long range research vessel, so they would regularly be in regions of space that are not fully explored regardless of being lost in the Delta Quadrant or not.
@@temparalflux914 But they would not be so far out that if they had a major issue, they could not get back to a starbase for help in a short amount of time.
@@IIGrayfoxII Tell that to The Enterprise D, seemed to happen rather regularly to them too and they were always zipping from starbase to starbase in between charting unexplored space. They got a Computer Virus (which was a novel concept at the time it was written) and had to deal with that without help from Starfleet.
There was so much room for potential for a ship to run on Cheese.
This came in handy for Rutherford a few years later.
Imagine Seven of Nine's sensors being affected by Nelix's cooking.
I found it so fascinating, a Starfleet crew being so far from Federation space, having to apply all their training to being stranded in uncharted stars. Tuvok was the best and the worst choice to fold the Marquis crew into Federation standards and it's inspiring to see him, an officer disciplined in Vulcan logic and Human exploration to struggle to understand idioms and euphemisms of emotional people. Humans and others can learn much from Vulcans, but also vice versa.
Don't worry Neelix, two Ensigns will come along many years from now and use your cheese to save the day.
I'm loving watching old TNG and Voyager clips going 'AAAAHHHH Lower Decks!!'...
Imagine, almost destroying a sci-fi ship with simple cheese
There's no way they didn't break out in laughter at that line on a few takes.
It was Voy! shit got freaky!
Centralized HVAC system on a ship 500 years in the future. Believable.
See this is why i loved voyager, this is the kind of goofy over the top thing that would of happened on TOS but with TNG era tech and character development.
But voyagers premise did not lend itself to this kind of fun _And_ the serious shit it had to deal with. Because of the seriousness of their situation this kind of shit is hard to have between episodes where a species of unassimilatable super aliens from a universe that is totally fluid with no empty space is showing up to fight the borg, and the episode wehre the herogine took over and turned voyager into a holodeck
I love how the cheese got mentioned in Lower Decks
Is this the only episode that ever really dealt with the fact the ship used bio-neural circuitry? Because I don't recall it coming up as a plot point ever again.
It comes up in the season 7 episode Shattered.
It also comes up in 'One' (Seven of Nine is alone while the crew is in cryo), where the radiation from the nebula affects the gel packs as well as all the other parts of the ship.
It comes up a few more times after this, but not often.
As a focus of the episode I think this is in fact the only episode where the bio-neural circuitry is the issue.
there was at least one episode where it dealt with a virus, others where it was affected by some or other but rarely did it come up as a major plot point
unimpressive ventilation and filtration system for an advanced spaceship in the future. Frankly that's unacceptable standards now, part of why SARS2 aerosol spreads so badly. Merv-13 or higher filter media in your HVAC, folks.
I was more wondering how the "Get The Cheese to Sickbay" script would work.
Does Merv-13 filter our humor?
Cus those aliens don't know how too yet ,@@MrHocotateFreight
Starfleet tech is infested with incompetence
"I'll bypass the security protocols just give me 10 minutes" it's a wonder why the borg even bother with phasers and crap when they can just hack every starfleet ship into exploding
@@MrHocotateFreight The bio circuitry was experimental, Voyager was among the first ships to test it out
I agree. Even in current homes, the basic premise of 'supply vents' and 'return vents' reigns. Supply vents provide 'good air' into the habitable spaces. Return vents lead air back into the ventilation system, back to the air handler, to be filtered and processed.
In a starship, it isn't good enough to just put a filter in the way. It must be reprocessed and rebalanced with a proper atmospheric mix. If pathogen control is desired (trust me, it is) then it should also be going through some sort of biological treatment process before being re-fed out to the other parts of the ship. And with replicator technology, they really could just be disassociating the air on return and reconstituting it in supply tanks.
The idea that the mold is sucked up into the return vent and somehow bypasses any and all filtration systems is to insinuate that their designs for environmental controls are impossibly simplistic. Better to have suggested it traveled around via normal circulation from opening doors and crew spreading it by hand, similar to the TNG episode where they caused systems failures due to a compound hazardous to their engineering systems.
Love how authorian Lt. Torres is.
Her lines almost write themselves.
So does Paris. ua-cam.com/video/S5srlRm9CyM/v-deo.html
you don’t mess with her ship’s systems!
Cheesiest episode ever. 🧀
This is the cheesiest comment I've read.
It's Voyager. Sh*t got freaky.
And thus the Cheese Directive came to be
cheese molecules must be destroyed at any price!
What's sad is this is perfectly possible.
Actually, I was just thinking about this a couple minutes before reading your post.
It is true that the basic premise of Organism A being infected by Bacteria/Virus B is plausible
But it is almost certain that the gel packs would be in a heavily isolated and regulated environment, making exposure almost impossible.
Also, the idea of Organism from Planet A being susceptible to infection by a virus/bacteria from Planet B is much less so. Last I checked (which was a few years ago, so it could have changed) it was fairly widely accepted that when you are talking about species from different planets, there would be too much difference between the biologies for a virus to be able to jump to the new species. Not impossible, but close to "winning the lottery jackpot" unlikely.
I figure odds for this actually happening is like flipping a fair quarter 100 times and having it come up tails every time.
The Doctor: I need 50cc's of marshmallow whip stat!
I loved this show.
So do we ❤
It would certainly smell, if they were cutting the cheese LOL
I laughed out loud when I first heard that line
Nelix's cooking almost destroyed the ship.
Mmmh. Alien blue cheese mac and cheese. Neelix style.
I’m familiar with the Neelix Cheese…
While I find it hard to believe that bacteria got into the ship from Neelix's cheese, the fact is his kitchen wasn't part of the original ship specs in the first place. He managed to remove the Captain's dining room and install a kitchen before she noticed. That's the part that is even harder to believe, if you ask me.
All that said, with the sheer level of stuff that happened to Voyager in the meantime, biofilters in the environmental systems failing to stop an unknown bacteria seems like it could happen.
The kitchen was already part of the Captain's private dining room. Neelix just saw it, started treating it like a mess hall and started cooking things for the crew.
"It has to simmer for four hours." NOT ON THAT FLAME, NEELIX! THAT'S NOT A SIMMER!"
If it wasn’t for the pot, he would be cooking meat on open flames to the point of burning the meat almost instantly. With the pot though, *seems* like he was boiling witch’s brew, with the pot being the cauldron, the pudding actually being the brew, so maybe he was actually a warlock in disguise.
This is the same guy that thought having more power routed to his stove would let him cook meals faster.
In retrospect, it's amazing that Neelix managed to either not die of starvation or food poisoning until Voyager showed up.
Should have added the Macaroni.
... they never learn do they 😋
Maybe if Neelix makes some chicken noodle soup, and puts it near the air vent, that'll make the ship feel better.
Starfleet includes genetic screening in all it's teleporters, yet never thought to put filters in their ventilation. GG
Radiation burn mullet
I’m seeing points here about the Kitchen being a late addition to the ship’s design, but… did engineering never consider that food safety is a huge concern? I mean. Even if it wasn’t, you’ve had a FLAME COOKTOP under a VENTILATION INTAKE. Has nobody noticed any smoke when something gets burnt, or how the smells carry? A real kitchen fire might’ve sent smoke and ash into every section of the ship! Neelix might not burn things often, but he’s not in that kitchen 24-7, and you know some hapless cadet could’ve easily tried his hand cooking and learned that same lesson. And, Just as horrible as the ship’s gel packs getting ‘sick’, he could easily have spread all kinds of food borne allergens! Someone with severe shellfish allergies might’ve got sick from several rooms away if he cooked his shrimp wrong! Worse still, with some modifications, the intake actually could’ve been a good thing! Proper filtration systems and a little bit of extra shaping could’ve turned it into a fantastic vent hood!
I am surprised the food on the stove didn't end up all over the floor, Neelix or some other crew member with the amount of shaking the ship does at the slightest impact, or fires breaking out regularly in the Mess Hall.
Scientists and Engineers aren't perfect. With the gelpacks being a new technology, nobody might have thought of the unlikely event of food contamination. Several unlikely events would have to conspire to produce this result.
The possibility of the Gel Packs specifically being affected was a long shot, and a weird problem to have to begin with, which is good episode fodder. But my point is that food contaminants escaping the galley via any means except a crewman taking their meal to go, or a failure to wash their hands should never have been a thing, and probably wouldn't have been if any of them had food safety certifications. Again, that intake being right above open flame cooktops could and should have caused FAR more widespread problems even before the cheese incident.@@95DarkFire
That was never supposed to be a galley. Neelix probably took one look at what looked like an air intake vent in the roof, shrugged, and said "Well, if they came out here 50,000 light years with that tiny of an air ventliation duct, who am I to judge?"
As stated, I do understand it was a late addition never intended by the original engineers. That said, I would think that the current engineering staff would've done more than just dump him in a corner of the mess hall or whatever. I mean, in an episode of TNG, the Irish settlers couldn't get a fire lit without the ship's fire suppression system immediately sealing it in a force field to starve it of oxygen. They had to do at least a little bit of work to get Neelix's burner stoves set up, and them missing such an important detail is just... Killin' me here.@@TimeSpinner
Damn....never knew cheese could be so....toxicologically unbalanced lol i feel so bad for Neelix, im glad he wasn't punished at all😊
live bacteria is volatile, so needs to be cleared ahead before you start messing around with it especially with biological contamination a huge possibility
No very strong cheese, wiggle things get through every time .
First time I have seen a ventilation in Star Trek...
Maybe Neelix was trying trying to recreate Discovery’s spore drive.
The cheese stands alone....
Well i guess no one in Starfleet Construction thought of someone using a real kitchen on the ships
Sheogorath struck again! 🧀
I just phaser all cheese from orbit just to be sure.
If only their enemies knew that food could destroy Voyager.
A cutting edge Star Fleet ship…………crippled by cheese. 🧀
The thing is we have the lactobacillus bacteria in our bodies, Neelix could have asked the doctor to extract and grow a culture for making cheese.
‘Sniff’ eugh!! Brill cheese 😊
You know you screwed up cookking when your food has to go to sick bay......
😅🤣😂
Tuvok is kind of stiff. Also, I would not look at cheese the same way again. 😂
Bacteria doesn't have spores, fungus has spores.
I am still fascinated that they went from "We have replicators" to "Lets make an open fire stove in the cantina on a spaceship" instead of something in the middle like lets say an induction stove.
I also wonder where they did get the gas for the stove ... so many questiones after all these years 🤣
IT was stated, that replicators need much more energy than real cooking. And the voyager Crew often uses vegtables and fruits found on away Mission, so they don't waste energy growing them.
And despite Neelix Lack of cooking skills, IT is often said, that real food tastes better, than replicated.
@@llindner1983 That does not account for why they use an open flame stove as opposed to an induction hob as Mark said. The amount of times the ship gets rocked about an open flame would be a huge hazard.
@@temparalflux914 Yes but for a fire they can just... replicate the fuel _ducks_
@@temparalflux914 neelix wants flames
im not sure induction cooking was a widespread method back in the days of ST VOY, and flames are more cinematic.@@temparalflux914
Yapit is already in the sickbay
God damned space cheese!
is this a connection to the one of the lower deck episode that i saw, lol.
Neelix's little shop of horrors.
Space poutine.
Knowing Neelix, the cheese wouldn't squeak. Instead, it would SCREAM!
"Portable containment field" aka glass.
🔔 NEELIX WAS THE TREK ANSWER TO JAR JAR BINKS. 😂
Honestly the line that gets me here has nothing to do with the cheese, but rather Neelix's pudding that has to "simmer for four hours." NEELIX! LOOK AT THOSE FLAMES! SIMMER?!?!? Those flames are taller than I am! Your pudding is gonna be a burnt black brick!!!!
If it wasn’t for the pot, he would be cooking meat on open flames to the point of burning the meat almost instantly. With the pot though, *seems* like he was boiling witch’s brew, with the pot being the cauldron, the pudding actually being the brew, so maybe he was actually a warlock in disguise.
I just find it hysterical how this episode somehow managed to have a spiritual sequel in Lower Decks. Say what you want about that show but it is clear that its writing team is full of fans that had particular favorite episodes of past trek that are so under the radar you would not think they would be back but they are.
The only weapon that could've been used against the Jem'hadar
Replace the Ketracel White with Neelix Cheese? There might be some humanitarian laws against that. 😁
I like cheese
Maybe Neelix should've just used Velveeta, instead. I do...!😋
Would any of today’s modern food or whatever still be around by then, especially after essentially WW3? Could’ve been one of many things that was lost.
I wonder how many takes it took before she got that last line out right.
Tens or hundreds before she could say it without laughing while she said it. Pretty sure she might’ve still broke out laughing afterwards.
Did the holographic doctor manage to save the cheese?
I wonder how many takes it took to say, "Get the cheese to sick bay."?
Tens or hundreds before she could say it without laughing while she said it. Pretty sure she might’ve still broke out laughing afterwards.
Why didn't they use a food replicator to make it?
Because surprise surprise, using replicaters for food is much more energy intensive than cooking 😂
And there are no bio filters on that ship? For cheese? OK, time to remind myself it's all pretend...
The thing about the U.S.S. Voyager that wasn’t really mentioned in the video is that the biocircuits were basically revolutionary tech when Voyager was built. The mission that got them stuck in the Delta Quadrant was the ship’s _maiden voyage._ The biocircuits were just simply so new that no one had stopped to realize that since they were organic that they would be just as vulnerable to disease as anything else.
And with how good their sanitation tech was, they probably would have assumed no disease could have gotten even close to the computer systems.
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1-9-2024 tue.
Man calls a roiling boil a simmer. I thought he was supposed to be a cook. -_-
I think he’s a warlock in disguise, the pudding actually being witch’s brew.
No one ever said he was a good cook.
You know, for a ship with so many biological components, they never built it with a biolab?
Or install filters.
It seems to me that this is not plausible. I believe they would have had advanced filtration that would have stopped this from happening. Still. "Get the cheese to sickbay" is VERY funny.
it was bacteria that had a virus inside. something they had never encountered hence no filter
This is the most plausible.... considering the multitude of microorganisms that have higher thresholds of viability even in the most hostile environments and how little we know of even our own microorganic exology...and filtration systems can only account for what is known.
you didn’t pay attention to TNG or TOS, fid you? this was a huge plot point in multiple episodes! hell, one biological threat killed Sam Kirk and his wife and nearly killed Spock!
@@bostonrailfan2427 that was a paradite that took control of its hosts taking over ships or making the hosts build new ones to take the parasites to new worlds
Neelix was a bloody curse upon that poor ship.
He also kept them fed though when they probably would have starved without him
Surely the Talaxian fur fly he gifted them brought luck? 😅
@@stevensanderson2817 I'm sure they wouldn't have suffered so many food related health issues through out the series if somebody who knew how to cook was the ships chief.
@@steelwings2037 No one on the crew knew what was safe to eat or who was safe to trade with. Neelix was vital for knowing what was edible for humanoids and for his knowledge on all the races in the quadrant
@stevensanderson2817 Yeah because it's not like they have scanners or other forms of technology to determine if something is compatable with their bio chemestry or not.
And alll those other ships pulled into the Delta quadrent seemed to survive without Nelix somehow.
Well look at it like this Nelix just saved everybody from Lunch there is now a reason Sickbay is empty and Doctor will have no patients that ate food from the Mess Hall so Doctor u have the day off computer Deactivate EMH
Oh yee i love when Vulcans think they soo great but them somone who not look smar come and say something what give them a stun for good few secunds
Nelix almost destroyed the ship and killed the crew a number of times
If he wanted to make cheese, he should have used breast milk for the
lactobacillus.
As fun as Voyager was, they really just gave up with the technobabble and character design
And this is one of the reasons I could not stand nelix
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The writing in voyager wasnt the greatest. There were some incredible episodes but the majority of them seemed to be written by old ladies. 😅
Everything is his fault. Worst character ever.
Another example of garbage writing and lack of forethought.
It's why I stopped watching this show.
yet so called smart people watch STD