It is warmed my heart when Alastair insisted on keeping Zach’s body frozen so that he could wake up with him in the future when technology is advanced enough to bring the dead back to life.
I haven't watched you guys in years. I saw you before you even had a show and it was before you were married. I came across this randomly. You guys are great!! I looked at the clock and realized that I've been watching your shows for over 4 hours. You guys are so honest and truthful and funny. It warms my heart as an older gay man to be able to see content like this.
As a casual follower you folks are super. It's that comfortable repartee of two individuals on the same frequency. What makes it really work for me is your no bullshit presentation - you call it like you see it and that is good enough for me. Please keep that easy going dialogue going & I will be there to enjoy it. If you ever pass through the Balto - DC Area - I'll buy the first round! All the best to you!
I rarely comment but now I have to - as a Finn there is a threshold lol I love your podcast - you have such interesting topics and talk about them in detail or in some cases even talk about a bit about yourselves which is nice - gay couples need representation. I just want to say I'm a huge fan from Finland🇫🇮
Great episode guys. You are getting into the rhythm with each other, becoming equal partners in the conversation. You make a hell of a show and I’m sure word of mouth will keep your subscriptions climbing. Love watching you working together. 😺✌️
I do appreciate when audiences see historical inaccuracies, but Hollywood's main concern is making hit movies. If I ever wondered whether an actor in an historical romance (for instance,Cate Blanchett in 'Elizabeth') had a problem with how her character behaved in a particular scene, I remember that in an interview she said that she showed the director a passage from a biography of Elizabeth I, and the director grabbed the book and threw it across the room, yelling, "That's not MY Elizabeth!" I tend to think of movies which claim to depict events accurately as opening a door onto a new topic, one that the viewer can research for themselves 😁😉
They don't care about the money. They care about the woke agenda in spite of losing money because we live in a Gynocentric social order. Western society caters to Women over Men and apparently LGBTQ over both.
History is always skewed by the person reading/watching. You see it through your own personal and cultural bias. Even reading material by say someone living during the Civil War you interpret based on your values. Far more important is the quality of the story and the message it gives. Movies are entertainment, if you enjoyed it and/or provoked, great!! When I saw Altered States (William Hurt) my take away was "don't tke a bath with the lights off😜 Great show guys!!!!
Just recently found you guys and love your stuff. Zach , saw you’re “Daddy Issues”, and Holy shit, you’re telling my story, enough said, I get it. Yeah, I’m Bi and closeted and old enough to be your dad. Dude, I felt it deep. Thanks for your vulnerability, it will help so many of us who never had a voice. Oh, you guys work Incredibly well together. Peace and blessings to you both.
Yes, Alastair, Meg Ryan really did sing in Anastasia, just like Audrey Hepburn really sang in My Fair Lady. It was probably Marnie Nixon, seeing as she really sang SO many famous roles.
Also there is a cute 80s film starring/ directed (and I think written) by Alan Alda called Sweet Liberty about a professor who writes a facted based historical novel that gets made into a movie and how the professor tries to sabotage the making of the movie because of all it's inaccuracies ☺️
To be fair about “Anastasia,“ it’s based on a legend that most people know is not the truth to begin with. It was originally a play written in 1952 and then a Hollywood movie made a couple of years later, all of that well before the animated film. it’s basically a sort of alternate history.
It’s just so surreal how this person has died and now they are showing her off (her casket, we don’t know if the actual body is inside) to millions of people who everyone and their mother is judging and scrutinizing her legacy and legitimacy of the monarchy while others look at the funeral as some kind of fashion show over who wore what and the latest funeral trends. It’s all just gross.
As Finland and Sweden were the same country for some hundreds of years we still have fondness of the Swedish royal family in Finland. Check out a gay themed series 'Young Royals' on Netflix which is quite realistic...
So leaving Texas after my one week stay in Dallas/fort Worth area. Went to stockyards twice, football game Texas am versus Arkansas, ate steak everywhere, was amazed you boys wear jeans, boots, long sleeve shirts and hats in 100 degree weather. Some of them are hot in other ways and lastly cause of u two had a whadda burger.
Another brilliant podcast guys. The queen was the longest serving British monarch. Her coffin was 254kgs hence the need for eight bearers. Traditionally all senior royals are buried in lead lined coffins and English oak coffin
Hi guys I would like to say that I have been watching the two or you for some time now and as usual you are so cute and so much fun to watch. I love your conversations and how the two of you interact with each other. to give you an idea as to how long I have been watching you. My first show with the two of you was I think your first year of marriage and Alistair had to leave you were so sad standing in the car lot waving good-bye I just wanted to take you in my arms and hold you, I wanted to tell you he was going to be fine. I loved the love that yall have for each other. Love the two of you and love all of that you do for the gay community.
Movies are for entertainment, being a history buff, it sometimes bothers me about changes that were made. There was a movie where Mary Queen of Scots & Elizabeth I met twice & in reality they never met. In Pocahontas, she was the good guy of the movie. Pocahontas did eventually go to England, married an English man & died in England. Her name was changed to Rebecca when she converted to Christianity
Also Queen Elizabeth II was the longest reigning British Monarch at 70 years. The only Queen since I have been alive & I am closing in on 70. Also Dahomey was eventually made a colony of France and now is known as the Country of Benin Africa has a rich history with many ancient civilizations, not only Egypt, but Ethiopia with its ancient Coptic Christian Churches. I love the movies, all movies & plan on seeing WomanKing. Alastair seems to do his homework on a lot of what u talk about, with the exception of moon landings. Enjoyed your podcast I love
I think it’s ok to be historically inaccurate and take liberties to send a message or to tell a different story as long as you’re transparent about it. I think people feel like they’re being lied to when they find out their favorite historical film “didn’t technically happen like that”
I think I took 3 naps through BRAVE HEART At the time Mel Gibson was revered as this family man of many children and I never believed it for a minute. Don't leave that out, either----wait I'm thinking of Dances With Wolves. Sorry, even I can be wrong. :(
Thanks for doing this show! I wish there had been something similar when I was growing up in ELP (70's). Historically accurate: I gave up on that a long time ago. I choose to accept that a movie is just an AU, and it's up to me to go find facts if I'm interested. Burial, I don't care; I just ask that the finale to 'Swan Lake' be played. The ballet is rather symbolic (not completely, but rather) of how GLBT+ people have been treated over the centuries.
I enjoyed this very much, I watch movies for the entertainment value, I like or dislike based on that, anywho good job men, take care,and as always I look forward to see what your discussing next....
"Two Free Pillows" I luv you guys. When I'm down I know I can always find something in your content that will lift me up. You guys are a great reporesentation for the gay community. Keep up the great work!
I feel they should be as accurate as possible. I am n ot expecting perfection, otherwise I would be wanting to see a documentary. But our history textbooks already don't necessarily tell the full story. So come on movies !
Woman King is a movie where the enslavers are shown as heroes those people enslaved and sold their own people the French went to war with them twice to stop this
Yes yes I know better now you are lover, married, partner 😅 I was asking if you were brothers before because of share family name. Now it makes more sense and I love you both. You have different personalities like knife and fork, but together you work the best. 😊 8:55 That NO is so decisive.😂
Zach, it’s incredibly painful when you cut off your hubby from talking. He was explaining 3 things about the movie 300 and you cut him off on two very loudly and I would say disrespectfully. You do this so much that it seriously pains me. I feel like what do you need him for if you “insist” on doing all the talking. Let him finish his thoughts and sentences. We like hearing his views as well, especially since he reads so many books and talks seemlessly about the stories. That’s why I like listening to his point of view, especially with movies. Lay off the wine dude.
i think a better example would have been saving mr banks. a movie that sugar coats and outright lies about pl. travers and disneys relationship. its not historical accurate and it makes you think what disney intent behind doing it that way.
@@coffeeandtequilashow its about getting the rights and stuff to make mary poppins, a movie that pl travers hated so much she wouldnt let them touch the character again.
The biggest inaccuracy of the movie was the women being great fighters, when the French came in to shut down their slave trade, the battle between the female warriors and the French legion lasted minutes, with only six French soldiers being killed compared to hundreds of the female warriors. Also, for the record, the female warriors were given female slaves to "service" them sexually, but portraying that in the movie would have probably been even more problematic than the glossed over (and despite what you guys said, this fact is glossed over in the movie in favor of showing the white man as the ultimate villain) fact they were fighting to preserve a long history of brutal slave trade and the only thing that could have made that look worse, would have been to show the female warriors sexually abusing the teen girls they were given. You can't fault people or just blatantly dismiss or imply that people are just being racist for not liking the movie, when the real problem was the makers of the movie chose to push this as a "based on real events" moment in history, and then portrayed monsters as "brave female warriors" fighting against white male oppression and the patriarchy, and that is what this movie does.
It is okay if you didn't like the movie and have opinions about the portrayal. But is is NOT okay to lie about the history to further your opinion. "Lasted minutes?" "Not great fighters?" NO: "Over the course of SEVEN WEEKS in fall 1892, Dahomey’s army fought valiantly to repel the French. The Agojie participated in 23 separate engagements during that short time span, earning the enemy’s respect for their valor and dedication to the cause. As one marine noted, “[N]either the cannons, nor the canister shot, nor the salvo fire stops them. … It is really strange to see women so well led, so well disciplined.” Also, the French did not come to purely "end their slave trade." The two Franco-Dahomean Wars were over territories the French wanted under its Colonial rule, the Dahomey claimed the territories (Porto-Novo and Cotonou) as parts of its Kingdom. Like the podsters, I encourage everyone to do their own research and read multiple sources. I will include a link here to the Smithsonian Magazine piece that gives a detailed but brief history of the Agojie. It is also the source from where the quoted blurb comes from. Happy movie watching and happy reading: www.smithsonianmag.com/history/real-warriors-woman-king-dahomey-agojie-amazons-180980750/
@@marvinrichards8633 I stated the French sent in a legion to fight the Dahomey and they did and that legion DID defeat them within under an hour, killing hundreds of the Dahomey while French forces lost only six men in the battle, that isn't denied in any of the historical records you cited. I said nothing about how many encounters local French authorities had with them that spurred the French Government to finally take the matter seriously. Against seasoned, troops they didn't stand a chance. Furthermore, none of this detracts from the deplorableness of their slave trade and ownership. They weren't fierce powerful warriors defending a righteous cause (against the patriarchy), they were slavers, who terrorized other tribes and raided them and sold their victims into slavery for their own profit. Even Viola Davis can't act her way out of that. From The Journal of African History: European observers noted that they handled themselves "admirably" in hand-to-hand combat with the French, even if they were decisively crushed in the one major battle they participated in, Cotonou, during the First Franco-Dahomean War (1890). In the Second Franco-Dahomean War (1892), special Agojie units targeted French officers, managing only six kills of French Legionnaires. The Agojie participated in several battles but proved to be little match for the superior might, weaponry and longer bayonets used by the French soldiers. In this one battle, 417 Agojie were killed in less than an hour, with nearly all falling at the tips of French bayonets. This battle ended the Agojie as a significant presence in Dahomey forces. It is also accurate to note, the Agojie fought as a unit but did so along side Dahomey male warriors as well. Though the women were considered to be exceptionally brutal, often beheading those they fought , as well as random slaves they took while also cutting off their genitals to present to their MALE king as trophies. But I guess that didn't quite fit the narrative the two white women who wrote this story had in mind.
Zach, I know you and your beautiful husband, Alastair are talking about the passing of Queen Elizabeth II on this video during the episode of "Coffee & Tequila" at your house in Texas including the Women King and the Historically Inaccurate movies in Hollywood, California at the same time, so I'm proud of you, but actually my 33rd birthday is on Friday and I know you had the Southern accent!!
What is this??? First Zach and Jen and now Zach and Alastair?? I'm not sure who I like the best. Yes I do. Sorry, Jen. 🤭 Hollywood makes movies for entertainment, not education. There are always some facts in the movies but they're not documentaries. And that's OK. If you want to see great, accurate documentaries watch Ken Burns films on PBS. Zach, did you put on chapstick at the end of the episode on purpose? 🤓😄
YOU NEED TO DO A MOVIE REVIEW OF 2 INGRID BERGMAN FILMS BOTH OF WHICH NABBED HER AN OSCAR FOR BEST ACTRESS: "GASLIGHT" AND "ANASTASIA." I SPOKE TO A COLLEGE STUDENT A MONTH AGO WHO HAD NO IDEA WHERE THE PHRASE "GASLIGHTING" CAME FROM! *SIGH* PLEASE EDUCATE EVERYONE AND GIVE US YOUR REVIEWS OF THESE 2 MOVIES. ALASTAIR: THE LATE PRINCE PHILIP, DUKE OF EDINBURGH AND HUSBAND TO THE LATE QUEEN ELIZABETH II, HAD HIS BLOOD DRAWN AND THEY RAN A DNA TEST SINCE HE (AND NOT THE QUEEN) WAS THE GREAT-NEPHEW OF EMPRESS ALEXANDRA. THROUGH DNA ANALYSIS SCIENTISTS WERE ABLE TO PROVE THAT THE IMPOSTER ANNA ANDERSON WAS NOT RELATED IN ANY WAY TO THE ROMANOVS. ANNA ANDERSON WAS NOTHING BUT A PHONY FRAUD. ALASTAIR, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664067/ KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK GUYS!! I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PODCAST / VLOGS EVERY WEEK!!!!
It is warmed my heart when Alastair insisted on keeping Zach’s body frozen so that he could wake up with him in the future when technology is advanced enough to bring the dead back to life.
I haven't watched you guys in years. I saw you before you even had a show and it was before you were married. I came across this randomly. You guys are great!! I looked at the clock and realized that I've been watching your shows for over 4 hours. You guys are so honest and truthful and funny. It warms my heart as an older gay man to be able to see content like this.
As a casual follower you folks are super. It's that comfortable repartee of two individuals on the same frequency. What makes it really work for me is your no bullshit presentation - you call it like you see it and that is good enough for me. Please keep that easy going dialogue going & I will be there to enjoy it. If you ever pass through the Balto - DC Area - I'll buy the first round! All the best to you!
I rarely comment but now I have to - as a Finn there is a threshold lol I love your podcast - you have such interesting topics and talk about them in detail or in some cases even talk about a bit about yourselves which is nice - gay couples need representation. I just want to say I'm a huge fan from Finland🇫🇮
I’m always so happy to see a new ep up!
❤️ your videos, always happy to see my boys!
Love y'all guys love your voice Zach and your laugh.
Y'all welcome I watch them for 6year.
@@donniecollins2955 I have followed the same time - doesn't matter. Love both of them.
Great episode guys. You are getting into the rhythm with each other, becoming equal partners in the conversation. You make a hell of a show and I’m sure word of mouth will keep your subscriptions climbing. Love watching you working together. 😺✌️
I like how un-phony and free flowing conversation is, you guys are great, stay that way.
Best quote of this vid goes to Alastair;
"History is not historically accurate."
Well said my dude, well said.
Great content guys.
I loved The Woman King! This was a very cool episode. Always enjoy the two of you and your convos, vlogs, etc.
I do appreciate when audiences see historical inaccuracies, but Hollywood's main concern is making hit movies. If I ever wondered whether an actor in an historical romance (for instance,Cate Blanchett in 'Elizabeth') had a problem with how her character behaved in a particular scene, I remember that in an interview she said that she showed the director a passage from a biography of Elizabeth I, and the director grabbed the book and threw it across the room, yelling, "That's not MY Elizabeth!" I tend to think of movies which claim to depict events accurately as opening a door onto a new topic, one that the viewer can research for themselves 😁😉
They don't care about the money. They care about the woke agenda in spite of losing money because we live in a Gynocentric social order. Western society caters to Women over Men and apparently LGBTQ over both.
History is always skewed by the person reading/watching. You see it through your own personal and cultural bias. Even reading material by say someone living during the Civil War you interpret based on your values. Far more important is the quality of the story and the message it gives. Movies are entertainment, if you enjoyed it and/or provoked, great!!
When I saw Altered States (William Hurt) my take away was "don't tke a bath with the lights off😜 Great show guys!!!!
So glad your videos were recommended by UA-cam! I love watching you guys! So entertaining!
Just recently found you guys and love your stuff. Zach , saw you’re “Daddy Issues”, and Holy shit, you’re telling my story, enough said, I get it. Yeah, I’m Bi and closeted and old enough to be your dad. Dude, I felt it deep. Thanks for your vulnerability, it will help so many of us who never had a voice. Oh, you guys work
Incredibly well together. Peace and blessings to you both.
I love your comments and banter!
I did randomly came across your channel, but it is now one of my top go-to.
Yes, Alastair, Meg Ryan really did sing in Anastasia, just like Audrey Hepburn really sang in My Fair Lady. It was probably Marnie Nixon, seeing as she really sang SO many famous roles.
I think Marnie Nixon is Deceased. If not, probably way too old to sing anymore.😸
I AM TOTALLY HERE FOR ANY AND ALL ANASTASIA EPISODE(S) totally love you guys btw
The Great on Hulu is a pretty good show about Catherine the great.
Also there is a cute 80s film starring/ directed (and I think written) by Alan Alda called Sweet Liberty about a professor who writes a facted based historical novel that gets made into a movie and how the professor tries to sabotage the making of the movie because of all it's inaccuracies ☺️
To be fair about “Anastasia,“ it’s based on a legend that most people know is not the truth to begin with. It was originally a play written in 1952 and then a Hollywood movie made a couple of years later, all of that well before the animated film. it’s basically a sort of alternate history.
It’s just so surreal how this person has died and now they are showing her off (her casket, we don’t know if the actual body is inside) to millions of people who everyone and their mother is judging and scrutinizing her legacy and legitimacy of the monarchy while others look at the funeral as some kind of fashion show over who wore what and the latest funeral trends. It’s all just gross.
See Henry Louis Gates "Africa's Great Civilizations" PBS Documentary re "Woman King". Also "Gone With The Wind" for historical inaccuracies
The Prince is my guilty pleasure. IT IS SUCH TRASH. But I Couldn't stop watching and laughing.
As Finland and Sweden were the same country for some hundreds of years we still have fondness of the Swedish royal family in Finland. Check out a gay themed series 'Young Royals' on Netflix which is quite realistic...
But you can tell if a Film Maker even tried to be historically accurate as far as what known through research at the time.
Woman King was incredible!!!
So leaving Texas after my one week stay in Dallas/fort Worth area. Went to stockyards twice, football game Texas am versus Arkansas, ate steak everywhere, was amazed you boys wear jeans, boots, long sleeve shirts and hats in 100 degree weather. Some of them are hot in other ways and lastly cause of u two had a whadda burger.
Another brilliant podcast guys. The queen was the longest serving British monarch. Her coffin was 254kgs hence the need for eight bearers. Traditionally all senior royals are buried in lead lined coffins and English oak coffin
To the commentators, I would suggest that you watch the documentary “Epic Warrior Women.” It can be seen on Prime Video; I believe you will enjoy it.
Thanks for the heads up! On it
Liz Callaway sung in Anastasia.
Tell him!
Tell him!
Really hitting your Groove guys awesome ,now just work on consistency of uploads 😁
I wonder if there there going to review Bros?
Greetings from Chiapas, México! Love you and your content. BTW. Yes QE2 was the longest reigning monarch, ever she was been at it for 70 years.
Historical accuracy/inaccuracy. Movie are a form of storytelling. Is the story a good story and is that story well told?
The story of Zach and the gym was funny.
Rose in the morning!
Love it 💕
Hi guys I would like to say that I have been watching the two or you for some time now and as usual you are so cute and so much fun to watch. I love your conversations and how the two of you interact with each other. to give you an idea as to how long I have been watching you. My first show with the two of you was I think your first year of marriage and Alistair had to leave you were so sad standing in the car lot waving good-bye I just wanted to take you in my arms and hold you, I wanted to tell you he was going to be fine. I loved the love that yall have for each other. Love the two of you and love all of that you do for the gay community.
Movies are for entertainment, being a history buff, it sometimes bothers me about changes that were made. There was a movie where Mary Queen of Scots & Elizabeth I met twice & in reality they never met. In Pocahontas, she was the good guy of the movie. Pocahontas did eventually go to England, married an English man & died in England. Her name was changed to Rebecca when she converted to Christianity
Also Queen Elizabeth II was the longest reigning British Monarch at 70 years. The only Queen since I have been alive & I am closing in on 70. Also Dahomey was eventually made a colony of France and now is known as the Country of Benin
Africa has a rich history with many ancient civilizations, not only Egypt, but Ethiopia with its ancient Coptic Christian Churches.
I love the movies, all movies & plan on seeing WomanKing.
Alastair seems to do his homework on a lot of what u talk about, with the exception of moon landings.
Enjoyed your podcast
I love
Looking forward to hearing what you guys think about the movie Bros.. I can't wait to see it.. 👍
Omg yes!!! 😲 I would love to hear/see that!
Thanks, lads. ❤❤💋💋
Alastair, think of it this way, historical preservation is the ultimate recycling!
I think it’s ok to be historically inaccurate and take liberties to send a message or to tell a different story as long as you’re transparent about it. I think people feel like they’re being lied to when they find out their favorite historical film “didn’t technically happen like that”
I've recently discovered you guys... you two are fantastic! Funny, down-to-earth, and cute as fuck! Keep up the great content!
New sub here, looking forward to your journey
Love you guys. God Blessed.
I think I took 3 naps through BRAVE HEART At the time Mel Gibson was revered as this family man of many children and I never believed it for a minute. Don't leave that out, either----wait I'm thinking of Dances With Wolves. Sorry, even I can be wrong. :(
Always handsome and interesting ❤
Thanks for doing this show! I wish there had been something similar when I was growing up in ELP (70's). Historically accurate: I gave up on that a long time ago. I choose to accept that a movie is just an AU, and it's up to me to go find facts if I'm interested. Burial, I don't care; I just ask that the finale to 'Swan Lake' be played. The ballet is rather symbolic (not completely, but rather) of how GLBT+ people have been treated over the centuries.
I enjoyed this very much, I watch movies for the entertainment value, I like or dislike based on that, anywho good job men, take care,and as always I look forward to see what your discussing next....
"Two Free Pillows" I luv you guys. When I'm down I know I can always find something in your content that will lift me up. You guys are a great reporesentation for the gay community. Keep up the great work!
yo... speakin facts on Pocahontas. respect.
Yaaaaay! I got here sorta early… lol
Check out Hometeam History here on UA-cam for a better historically informed perspective on this period of history
50 points for Hufflepuff!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉 #ProudPuff
Isn't the Kama Sutra in dire need of updating ? The Gay edition by Alistair & Zach with Artsy photos?
I feel they should be as accurate as possible. I am n ot expecting perfection, otherwise I would be wanting to see a documentary. But our history textbooks already don't necessarily tell the full story. So come on movies !
Woman King is a movie where the enslavers are shown as heroes those people enslaved and sold their own people the French went to war with them twice to stop this
Yes yes I know better now you are lover, married, partner 😅 I was asking if you were brothers before because of share family name. Now it makes more sense and I love you both. You have different personalities like knife and fork, but together you work the best. 😊
8:55
That NO is so decisive.😂
Zach, it’s incredibly painful when you cut off your hubby from talking. He was explaining 3 things about the movie 300 and you cut him off on two very loudly and I would say disrespectfully. You do this so much that it seriously pains me. I feel like what do you need him for if you “insist” on doing all the talking. Let him finish his thoughts and sentences. We like hearing his views as well, especially since he reads so many books and talks seemlessly about the stories. That’s why I like listening to his point of view, especially with movies. Lay off the wine dude.
Not everyone mourned the queens death queen victoria was the first longest reign
So were are you two living now, The last I new you two were living in Texas but I believe you two were getting ready to move from there?
i think a better example would have been saving mr banks. a movie that sugar coats and outright lies about pl. travers and disneys relationship. its not historical accurate and it makes you think what disney intent behind doing it that way.
I haven’t even seen that one yet. It flew under my radar that year. Worth the watch?
@@coffeeandtequilashow its about getting the rights and stuff to make mary poppins, a movie that pl travers hated so much she wouldnt let them touch the character again.
The biggest inaccuracy of the movie was the women being great fighters, when the French came in to shut down their slave trade, the battle between the female warriors and the French legion lasted minutes, with only six French soldiers being killed compared to hundreds of the female warriors.
Also, for the record, the female warriors were given female slaves to "service" them sexually, but portraying that in the movie would have probably been even more problematic than the glossed over (and despite what you guys said, this fact is glossed over in the movie in favor of showing the white man as the ultimate villain) fact they were fighting to preserve a long history of brutal slave trade and the only thing that could have made that look worse, would have been to show the female warriors sexually abusing the teen girls they were given.
You can't fault people or just blatantly dismiss or imply that people are just being racist for not liking the movie, when the real problem was the makers of the movie chose to push this as a "based on real events" moment in history, and then portrayed monsters as "brave female warriors" fighting against white male oppression and the patriarchy, and that is what this movie does.
It is okay if you didn't like the movie and have opinions about the portrayal. But is is NOT okay to lie about the history to further your opinion. "Lasted minutes?" "Not great fighters?" NO: "Over the course of SEVEN WEEKS in fall 1892, Dahomey’s army fought valiantly to repel the French. The Agojie participated in 23 separate engagements during that short time span, earning the enemy’s respect for their valor and dedication to the cause. As one marine noted, “[N]either the cannons, nor the canister shot, nor the salvo fire stops them. … It is really strange to see women so well led, so well disciplined.”
Also, the French did not come to purely "end their slave trade." The two Franco-Dahomean Wars were over territories the French wanted under its Colonial rule, the Dahomey claimed the territories (Porto-Novo and Cotonou) as parts of its Kingdom.
Like the podsters, I encourage everyone to do their own research and read multiple sources. I will include a link here to the Smithsonian Magazine piece that gives a detailed but brief history of the Agojie. It is also the source from where the quoted blurb comes from. Happy movie watching and happy reading: www.smithsonianmag.com/history/real-warriors-woman-king-dahomey-agojie-amazons-180980750/
@@marvinrichards8633 I stated the French sent in a legion to fight the Dahomey and they did and that legion DID defeat them within under an hour, killing hundreds of the Dahomey while French forces lost only six men in the battle, that isn't denied in any of the historical records you cited.
I said nothing about how many encounters local French authorities had with them that spurred the French Government to finally take the matter seriously.
Against seasoned, troops they didn't stand a chance.
Furthermore, none of this detracts from the deplorableness of their slave trade and ownership.
They weren't fierce powerful warriors defending a righteous cause (against the patriarchy), they were slavers, who terrorized other tribes and raided them and sold their victims into slavery for their own profit.
Even Viola Davis can't act her way out of that.
From The Journal of African History:
European observers noted that they handled themselves "admirably" in hand-to-hand combat with the French, even if they were decisively crushed in the one major battle they participated in, Cotonou, during the First Franco-Dahomean War (1890). In the Second Franco-Dahomean War (1892), special Agojie units targeted French officers, managing only six kills of French Legionnaires. The Agojie participated in several battles but proved to be little match for the superior might, weaponry and longer bayonets used by the French soldiers. In this one battle, 417 Agojie were killed in less than an hour, with nearly all falling at the tips of French bayonets.
This battle ended the Agojie as a significant presence in Dahomey forces.
It is also accurate to note, the Agojie fought as a unit but did so along side Dahomey male warriors as well.
Though the women were considered to be exceptionally brutal, often beheading those they fought , as well as random slaves they took while also cutting off their genitals to present to their MALE king as trophies.
But I guess that didn't quite fit the narrative the two white women who wrote this story had in mind.
Zach, I know you and your beautiful husband, Alastair are talking about the passing of Queen Elizabeth II on this video during the episode of "Coffee & Tequila" at your house in Texas including the Women King and the Historically Inaccurate movies in Hollywood, California at the same time, so I'm proud of you, but actually my 33rd birthday is on Friday and I know you had the Southern accent!!
it's called a stiff upper lip. Mate.
What is this??? First Zach and Jen and now Zach and Alastair?? I'm not sure who I like the best. Yes I do. Sorry, Jen. 🤭 Hollywood makes movies for entertainment, not education. There are always some facts in the movies but they're not documentaries. And that's OK. If you want to see great, accurate documentaries watch Ken Burns films on PBS. Zach, did you put on chapstick at the end of the episode on purpose? 🤓😄
Just piss off more conservatives with the title Mr. Woman King Sir.
William and Kate are snobby mostly Kate more then william
YOU NEED TO DO A MOVIE REVIEW OF 2 INGRID BERGMAN FILMS BOTH OF WHICH NABBED HER AN OSCAR FOR BEST ACTRESS: "GASLIGHT" AND "ANASTASIA." I SPOKE TO A COLLEGE STUDENT A MONTH AGO WHO HAD NO IDEA WHERE THE PHRASE "GASLIGHTING" CAME FROM! *SIGH* PLEASE EDUCATE EVERYONE AND GIVE US YOUR REVIEWS OF THESE 2 MOVIES. ALASTAIR: THE LATE PRINCE PHILIP, DUKE OF EDINBURGH AND HUSBAND TO THE LATE QUEEN ELIZABETH II, HAD HIS BLOOD DRAWN AND THEY RAN A DNA TEST SINCE HE (AND NOT THE QUEEN) WAS THE GREAT-NEPHEW OF EMPRESS ALEXANDRA. THROUGH DNA ANALYSIS SCIENTISTS WERE ABLE TO PROVE THAT THE IMPOSTER ANNA ANDERSON WAS NOT RELATED IN ANY WAY TO THE ROMANOVS. ANNA ANDERSON WAS NOTHING BUT A PHONY FRAUD. ALASTAIR, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664067/ KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK GUYS!! I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR PODCAST / VLOGS EVERY WEEK!!!!