My god that’s horrible, bloody hell. I’ve been working in IT for 20 years and I’ve seen some shit but far out, for the life of me that is one of the absolute worst. I’m sorry for you that you had to deal with that one mate!
These blocks are made by Ericsson. I hated them the first time I saw them, fortunately I never had to work on them. You can't beat the good ol' Krone blocks.
after being taught in the old PMG days that time on the job was not an issue, make it neat, lace it all up, do the records perfectly, only to be re told in in the Telstra days that it didn't matter how you did it, as long as it was done quickly.
Honestly just a standard MDF in the world we live in. Happens all the time blokes just coming through and stealing a pair you’ve built and spent hours on for your customer. And trust me I’ve seen worse loads of times
This is part of the unintended consequences of privatisation. No single entity “owns” the end to end network so any sense of commitment to quality is lost. Telstra has paid out $83,606,950,000 in dividends to shareholders since dividends started in 97/98 financial year. This money used to be the “operating surplus” and was reinvested back into the network. Imagine the telecommunications networks we would have if that ADDITIONAL amount was reinvested instead of being paid to shareholders??
Looks like what i encountered many moons ago in RPA hospital in Sydney was chasing a fault and tracked it to a cleaners store room where i found to my surprise some brain dead cleaner had decided that they needed some pretty pieces of wire to tie things onto a storage rack so just harvested what they needed from the frame with a pair of scissors.
On this side of the ditch we refer to those as 25 pair AT&AT Blocks.They were intended for Cat5 on the terminating side so terminating any jumper wire too thick damages the pins, which will cause them to pop out easily. By the looks they have not been terminated with the correct tool
What a complete mess. I remember when I worked for an IT company, I was asked to go to a nursing home as my boss had a complaint about the network switch, modem and patch panel was a complete mess. I went there, the customer showed me and I was SHOCKED. It took me 3 days to sort this whole patch panel up. This looks WAY worse than what I had to clean up.
I come across the issue often with stolen pairs, and the culprits tend to be contract cowboys from another pond that just flew in and somehow got a job in comms. They have little to no work ethic or pride in what they do and are just pure lazy, They get in, fck it up and leave.
@@SECUREACOM 30 years of leaving it for the next one to sort out, and only a "quick fix, got 30 more jobs for today, and it is already 3PM", and you are supposed to knock off at 5.
Met any 3M frames from the 70's yet? Those are well known to simply pop loose, and drop all 20 pairs and jumpers loose, or just drop a few random sides. Punch one down and the vibration makes another one, not on the same strip, but on the same panel , pop off a little, either making it noisy, or open. found the best solution was a pair of scotchlok pliers, a bag of those gummy sweets, and make all the jumpers fixed instead. Telco would never replace the frame, unless it was totally destroyed, which with the outdoor ones was easy, just leave the door loose, and the copper thieves would sort the problem out for you.
As a ex PMG, Telecom, Telstra i was a well trained technician of 40 Years where we all took pride with the our job, and the subscriber, we done our job the correct way, Neat and Tidy, with well kept MDF cable record books, now that its sold off to private contractors this is what happens, a quick rough job for the maximum profit 😠 nsw
I know how it feels! Takes me back to Old GEC uk / GPT /Siemens Days I Hate it when Krone block goes bad I take it is common land lord system with comings and goings Id alwas check the reception to see if BT C&W HAD BEEN RECENTLY. AND THE PERENIAL LCR blocked by carrier !!!!!!!! Good luck & Best Wishes
We had trainee engineers in Telstra terminate 50/100 pair cables who would connect the first few wires and test them, then cut the rest and hide them behind the frame because they already proved cable worked.
Just a quick observation, that building is wired/cabled in CAT6/CAT5e yet terminated into that shitty system, WTF? I see jobs like this from time to time and I just shake my head and give two options, Have deep pockets to fix or find some other fool.
Could be worse, you could be in a street manhole, and checking the tide table, so you know how long you have to finish the job, before your feet, then ankles, then knees, then chest, become the water line. Note there is no drain, this is water in the ground, percolating through the sand, as the manhole top is located 3m above mean sea level, and the tide is at least 3m at it's peak past that. Plus the cable is lead sheathed and paper insulated, and moving it means you might crack the lead. 30 pair feed that was so bad phone lines were running on single legs of pairs, that were not faulty yet. Eventually the telco laid a nice new 50 pair cable to premise, and then we found the old cable was rusted fast into the conduit, so went up a floor, disguising the cable in PVC drain pipe and fittings, because nothing like bare copper will last a night. When replacing the old steel water main had to do the same, using cast steel pipe, which was buried in the concrete, and then bolted to the wall, to above head height. Cast steel pipe is actually more expensive than copper pipe for some reason, but has almost no scrap value.
Ahh Lime Street hotel/appartments/offices/bars/ whatever else they can think of doing with that mess of a building while gouging everyone for fees. It should be reported and condemned, let the residents hammer the strata when they have no services
Telling it like it is brother! Why not offer a whole main frame rebab? I got big balls and will help you out sorting the mess. Heaps of people would be pissed on the downtime! Maybe a good crew could get her sorted in a few days. I put my hand up to tackle it.
Stolen pairs. Yes it happens. My home which is a 15 unit medium density building, suddenly lost FTTC Internet. Sure enough, somebody moved into another unit and I could even see my pair being used for them, (I'd photographed my work when I terminated it). For commercial premise commissioning, I tag off off on the customer's patch panel and then buzz with an f set all the way down to the MDF, (Main Distribution Frame). nbn techs love-it, they jumper from the nbn FTTB frame to the MDF I've tagged and they are done. Once, the pair failed the RF test:- it happens. I always ask the nbn tech to tell me the commissioned sync speed so I have a benchmark in the future if there are drop-outs.
"And if you need to upgrade em, don't even bother calling me" 🤣🤣
Love it! Best statement!
My god that’s horrible, bloody hell. I’ve been working in IT for 20 years and I’ve seen some shit but far out, for the life of me that is one of the absolute worst. I’m sorry for you that you had to deal with that one mate!
These blocks are made by Ericsson. I hated them the first time I saw them, fortunately I never had to work on them. You can't beat the good ol' Krone blocks.
after being taught in the old PMG days that time on the job was not an issue, make it neat, lace it all up, do the records perfectly, only to be re told in in the Telstra days that it didn't matter how you did it, as long as it was done quickly.
Yes, absolutely. I also like to point out the piano wire jumpers that could probably play hold music while you wait.
I love the look of old PMG / Telecom Australia work, it makes you feel someone cared.
Honestly just a standard MDF in the world we live in. Happens all the time blokes just coming through and stealing a pair you’ve built and spent hours on for your customer. And trust me I’ve seen worse loads of times
This is part of the unintended consequences of privatisation. No single entity “owns” the end to end network so any sense of commitment to quality is lost. Telstra has paid out $83,606,950,000 in dividends to shareholders since dividends started in 97/98 financial year. This money used to be the “operating surplus” and was reinvested back into the network. Imagine the telecommunications networks we would have if that ADDITIONAL amount was reinvested instead of being paid to shareholders??
Thank you,well said, see my comment 😑
Looks like what i encountered many moons ago in RPA hospital in Sydney was chasing a fault and tracked it to a cleaners store room where i found to my surprise some brain dead cleaner had decided that they needed some pretty pieces of wire to tie things onto a storage rack so just harvested what they needed from the frame with a pair of scissors.
On this side of the ditch we refer to those as 25 pair AT&AT Blocks.They were intended for Cat5 on the terminating side so terminating any jumper wire too thick damages the pins, which will cause them to pop out easily. By the looks they have not been terminated with the correct tool
Exactly. These frames are almost never used here. The normal Krone tool will seperate the copper pins also. Very bad choice on install
@@SECUREACOM what is the correct tool? 110?
If wrong tools have been used probably also why they pop out so easily.
@@shaunclarke94 Yeah man. The 110. this is the one I used www.exw.com.tw/en/product/3H02-F01-00001.html
@@SECUREACOM damn, at least get a proper 110 impact tool. That's certainly not helping.
Like Krone Vs Clipsal. Have to use the Clipsal garbage or spread the pin wider than design.
What a complete mess. I remember when I worked for an IT company, I was asked to go to a nursing home as my boss had a complaint about the network switch, modem and patch panel was a complete mess. I went there, the customer showed me and I was SHOCKED. It took me 3 days to sort this whole patch panel up. This looks WAY worse than what I had to clean up.
MDF rooms like that one should have 24/7 CCTV above the frame. Would make very interesting viewing.
I come across the issue often with stolen pairs, and the culprits tend to be contract cowboys from another pond that just flew in and somehow got a job in comms. They have little to no work ethic or pride in what they do and are just pure lazy, They get in, fck it up and leave.
That's an issue across a bunch of industries these days.
Who the hell was the boss who ticked this mess off, someone should be held responsible.
I know right. I think that boss was a crack head
@@SECUREACOM 30 years of leaving it for the next one to sort out, and only a "quick fix, got 30 more jobs for today, and it is already 3PM", and you are supposed to knock off at 5.
Met any 3M frames from the 70's yet? Those are well known to simply pop loose, and drop all 20 pairs and jumpers loose, or just drop a few random sides. Punch one down and the vibration makes another one, not on the same strip, but on the same panel , pop off a little, either making it noisy, or open. found the best solution was a pair of scotchlok pliers, a bag of those gummy sweets, and make all the jumpers fixed instead. Telco would never replace the frame, unless it was totally destroyed, which with the outdoor ones was easy, just leave the door loose, and the copper thieves would sort the problem out for you.
jesus christ what a mess, these are new buildings, shit installs
As a ex PMG, Telecom, Telstra i was a well trained technician of 40 Years where we all took pride with the our job, and the subscriber, we done our job the correct way, Neat and Tidy, with well kept MDF cable record books, now that its sold off to private contractors this is what happens, a quick rough job for the maximum profit 😠 nsw
Were those Cat 5s retro fitted? Look newish. If so the disconnect modules should have been replaced 😓
I know how it feels!
Takes me back to Old GEC uk / GPT /Siemens Days
I Hate it when Krone block goes bad I take it is common land lord system with comings and goings Id alwas check the reception to see if BT C&W HAD BEEN RECENTLY.
AND THE PERENIAL LCR blocked by carrier !!!!!!!!
Good luck & Best Wishes
We had trainee engineers in Telstra terminate 50/100 pair cables who would connect the first few wires and test them, then cut the rest and hide them behind the frame because they already proved cable worked.
A literal nightmare
Sure is
Just a quick observation, that building is wired/cabled in CAT6/CAT5e yet terminated into that shitty system, WTF?
I see jobs like this from time to time and I just shake my head and give two options, Have deep pockets to fix or find some other fool.
Ok....yeah that one is down right nasty mate !
scary part is. there will always be a worse one somewhere.
Oh yeah
Could be worse, you could be in a street manhole, and checking the tide table, so you know how long you have to finish the job, before your feet, then ankles, then knees, then chest, become the water line. Note there is no drain, this is water in the ground, percolating through the sand, as the manhole top is located 3m above mean sea level, and the tide is at least 3m at it's peak past that. Plus the cable is lead sheathed and paper insulated, and moving it means you might crack the lead. 30 pair feed that was so bad phone lines were running on single legs of pairs, that were not faulty yet. Eventually the telco laid a nice new 50 pair cable to premise, and then we found the old cable was rusted fast into the conduit, so went up a floor, disguising the cable in PVC drain pipe and fittings, because nothing like bare copper will last a night. When replacing the old steel water main had to do the same, using cast steel pipe, which was buried in the concrete, and then bolted to the wall, to above head height. Cast steel pipe is actually more expensive than copper pipe for some reason, but has almost no scrap value.
Hahaha love a good toilet comms room - seen a few in my time
Never have I seen a good 110 block termination, that being said, a proper 110 test cable goes a long way.
Imagine taking a crapper and someone needs to access the communication room all that stench would scare away all the techs LOL
Yeh those things are gawdawful. Some mid 1990's thing they were. See them in school buildings of the era a lot. I always just rip them all out.
I never want to meet the spider that spun that web of horror.
Ahh Lime Street hotel/appartments/offices/bars/ whatever else they can think of doing with that mess of a building while gouging everyone for fees.
It should be reported and condemned, let the residents hammer the strata when they have no services
yeah bet their strata is just pocketing all their fees, clearly needs a reorganise, or upgrade to fttp
Telling it like it is brother! Why not offer a whole main frame rebab? I got big balls and will help you out sorting the mess. Heaps of people would be pissed on the downtime! Maybe a good crew could get her sorted in a few days. I put my hand up to tackle it.
is this a tpg controlled fttb building?
Dog’s breakfast would be neater. How old is that install?
Stolen pairs. Yes it happens. My home which is a 15 unit medium density building, suddenly lost FTTC Internet. Sure enough, somebody moved into another unit and I could even see my pair being used for them, (I'd photographed my work when I terminated it). For commercial premise commissioning, I tag off off on the customer's patch panel and then buzz with an f set all the way down to the MDF, (Main Distribution Frame). nbn techs love-it, they jumper from the nbn FTTB frame to the MDF I've tagged and they are done. Once, the pair failed the RF test:- it happens. I always ask the nbn tech to tell me the commissioned sync speed so I have a benchmark in the future if there are drop-outs.
If I lived there, I'd be ordering a 4G service !!!!
I have had bowls of spaghetti, which were better arranged than this.
Wtfff