the real crime of this case is the fact that they made their disabled circus mate live on the 3rd floor with no immediate way down lmao who signed off on banishing acro to an upper floor never to be seen again (or signed off on keeping him up there idr if he was already living on floor 3 or not)
i think there must just be some writing inconsistency because obviously they had to get him down from the third floor for the trial, so i have to assume there’s an elevator system or something… but still. making the man live on the third floor while wheelchair-bound is still crazy cruel. i’d consider that motive for murder alone
@shincci i know this is 2 years later but Ben and trilo do have some sprites where Ben doesn't open his mouth while trilo speaks (I think Ben only has one sprite speaking at the same time trilo is supposed to be talking)
Fun fact: According to interviews with series director Shu Takumi, this case was written on a short deadline, leading him to resort to getting drunk during the writing process. Makes sense doesn’t it.
@@Dead_Weight21 give me the name of any sane person who can think up a case as batshit as this while sober, the court will penalize you for an incorrect answer
actually it wasn't just this case, it was the entire game! he had to write it in 3 and a half months so he slipped whiskey into energy drinks and went nuts for frame of reference, the first game had EACH case take a month and a half to write, so that was 6 months total for 4 cases. he suddenly had half the time to write 5 (justice for all was going to have another case after big top but it was cut for time and memory reasons. it was then turned into recipe for turnabout from aa3)
The entirety of AA2 and AA3 was written on a short deadline while drunk. I don't think the quality of the case is caused by the drunkenness of the author.
@@jaxsterminator8634 While it isn't the worst...I disagree with you and especially more since you're kinda acting pretty aggressive about this towards us.
For once, I completely understand Von Karma’s decision to insist the witness not tell the court something. Even she refused to believe the criminal flew away, even tho she could probably have tried to use it to push her case against Max.
In normal circumstances it would've hurt the witness' credibility so her asking him not to talk about it is probably the most realistic thing about the entire case.
In the previous case she was completely willing to go "hey look here's proof that spirit mediums can physically transform and that's why Maya is the murderer" (I mean, Pearls turned into Mia in front of everyone but ssssshh), so she's willing to accept the supernatural exists... But even she thinks it's stupid
@@kadebrockhausen i think like, just because something supernatural like the spirit medium stuff exists *doesnt mean* that everything else super natural can exist too its like, if you found out ghosts were real and then you started hunting for bigfoot because one supernatural thing was real so clearly the rest must be too, yknow what i mean? i also def think that franziska's experience with spirit medium is probably a reference to the fact that franziska's dad's only case where he got a penalty *was* the case where they officially used a spirit medium to contact the dead and franziska definitely researched some of her dad's cases (given how much inspiration she takes from him) so, it could be assumed that she just went down the rabbithole of spirit mediums at some point in her offtime because she saw it mentioned in her dad's case its still a really really stupid case and genuinely, i've tried like 4 times to watch this video but i *cannot* even fathom any of the plot and actually sit through the entire thing lmao
60% of this cases' plot failures would be fixed if they just made Regina like. 24. Then the 'growing up' subplot would make a fuckton more sense, a bunch of adults wouldn't be simping for a child, it would make EVEN NORE SENSE for someone to go crazy hearing a GROWN ASS WOMAN not understand the gravity of your BROTHER being IN A COMA-
@@dannyboers4704 Well, it depends on how you were raised, and Regina seems like her parents spoiled her all her life. She seems completely clueless and doesn’t understand real life situations and how bad they really are. She’s 16 but everyone around her had probably treated her like she was 10 and let her live like she was 10 for years. It makes sense why she would have no clue as a 16 year old who was that sheltered. 24 would be when you not only actually get a job, have to pay taxes, all that jazz, but you suddenly have all these things you can do and you can’t just run to mom and dad for approval anymore, unlike a 16 year old. Therefore, people telling an incredibly sheltered 16 year old to grow up and magically understand how serious things are is a bit of a stretch, but telling a 24 year old woman would be incredibly reasonable.
@@tinaherr3856 well-… if you’re gonna change her age au don’t see why you shouldn’t just make her a bit older than FRESHLY 18, that would still kinda be weird.
after the police sirens got sent on the judge, daniel had to go do something really quick but he left the sirens playing. chat was mourning the fact he got caught for his various crimes.
Final count of how many times Von Karma attacks someone with her whip: 20 Man, the bailiff should be fired and replaced with someone who will actually do their job.
Doing so will expose an enormous conspiracy which will end up in exposing a cabal of corrupt politicians that placed an idiotic judge that gets all of their political opponents in jail
"According to all known laws of Ace Attorney universe, there is no way that Max Galactica should be able to fly. His cape is too small to get his thin human body off the ground. Max, of course, flies anyways. Because Max doesn't care what Von Karma thinks is impossible." -Manfred Von Bee Benson
I googled out of dread and curiosity after the last part... Regina is 16. Max is 21. Bat was 22. Ben is 31. The judge is however old he is. The police suddenly has a lot more work...
The judge has no age. He is immortal. He has seen the passing of ages, he has witnessed the fall of Rome, and he likely suffered a lot of head trauma in that time, which is the only excuse for how he runs the court.
I think what frustrates me about this case is that there are brief sparks of something actually good here, but it's constantly bogged down by the fact it was written in a drunken stupor with how badly thought out everything else is.
Apparently, it was _literally_ written on a drunken stupor, according to another comment Shu Takumi confirmed it was on a tight deadline and they wrote it while drunk
The main good thing I can say about it is that it breaks the pattern Ace Attorney has established by making the one truly sweet guy you want to have a good ending be the culprit, and everyone else being innocent of the murder but being genuinely awful and annoying people anyway. And the victim seemed like a legitimately good man. Just sad.
As genuinely awful as Turnabout Big Top is, I love how Franziska is portrayed throughout the case. It really gives us a great look into how she is as a character and what her motivations are. I appreciate the case for that, and the fact that it's so bad you have to love it.
Fun fact with this case: Towards the end, you can accuse the judge of hiding the murder weapon - and you'll end up with a double penalty, aka a game over if you're not at full health.
Even in our darkest moments… von karma will always light it up in our most trying times. I can’t help but wonder how he’ll react to the prosecutor in trials & tribulations. I know he said he wasn’t gonna play the full series, but I at least hope he’ll play either Apollo justice or the great ace attorney chronicles games… solely for the characters.
Franziska is a considerably more likeable character than her father because, while both of them were speedrunners, Manfred ran Any% while Franziska ran 100% no major glitches.
@@mistertea603 They’re referring to speed run completion. In speed running, you can do any % which allows the use of any skips and glitches, while a 100% run is completing everything in the game
You know, Acro was really interesting in this case. He never got angry when Phoenix pointed out contradictions or holes in the testimony, or pulled up evidence. He also never got a final breakdown reaction. He was truly not upset at Phoenix, and dare I say, was the only culprit in the series that respected him while he was in court.
*Dee Vasquez is typing* Yes, she is rude to Phoenix when she first appears in court, but she is exactly the same to everyone else in the room. Also her and Acro are the only ones to graciously accept defeat
@@intelchip_x86 Spoilers too: that is true. Though, he had more of a character arc, and ties to multiple events in the past. Acro was a one case witness, who was on the stand. Those guys also have a breakdown. (Also, this comment was made before I watched the Trials and Tribulations videos)
17:32 "Is that an admission of assault and battery?" I mean, at this point, isn't Franziska's entire career an admission to assault and battery? Gumshoe literally admitted that she whips absolutely everyone in the precinct the day after the murder happened. How is Max clonking someone over the head with a glass bottle considered "assault" and not the countless times Von Karma bullwhips literally everyone she meets??? _WHAT IS LAW IN THE ACE ATTORNEY UNIVERSE?!!_
@@iwakeupandboomimarat I headcannon that everyone knows she's comitting assault but the police is just too scared to arrest her, which would be hilarous if it was the case
51:58 you know… there’s a very easy way to prove that theory. This is a world where spirit mediums exist. Just have maya or pearl try to channel the spirit of miles edgeworth. If it doesn’t work, then he’s clearly not dead!!!
If that worked, then we should also go up to every character in every case with the Magatama and ask them if they’re the killer. Would make things a whole lot easier.
As miserable as this case is I would like to point out one thing: Von Karma didn’t use Max being able to “fly” as evidence to prosecute him. She actually had Moe hide him seeing the killer float
Franziska is actually a pretty good prosecutor. Despite her agressive style, on several occasions she backs phoenix up when he presents clear evidence against the witness' claims. She does prepare testemonies, but doesnt tell the witnesses to lie, only to withhold information she deems is bad for the case she is trying to build. Which is completely legit. She actually doesnt forge evidence like all the other main prosecutors. I've come to like her alot actually.
Not included in the highlight: RT having to set the chat to sub only mode not even because someone spoiled, but because some dumbass who hadn't even known the answer had to go ahead and backseat with a wrong guess, which RT believed to be the correct one. It's so funny Edit: Just to be clear, I don't blame RT one bit here. He made the right decision. Backseating is still backseating, spoiler or not
@@gameyfirebro9645 multiple people. Someone pointed it out and multiple people agreed that it was strange. It was moe saying max’s coat is black… which it isn’t but that is just a weird error and not the answer.
While it was a trainwreck, I found this case interesting in how, as said in the end, none of the people involved was really evil, unlike most others where there's a clear 'HAHAHA I KILLED HIM!' culprit. It was just a string of accidents that turned deadly. No wonder Regina cracks at the end, she 'caused' this by pulling an innocent prank on Bat and then he decided it was a good moment to do the Lion trick, and I imagine Regina didnt even realize it would be a bad idea, and so on spiraled. As for Von Karma, she growls, but I get the feeling she is enjoying these cases. That the defenses back in Germany just folded against her, so having someone that actually is fighting her tooth and nail must be fun.
@@arciks11 I mean... She probably does enjoy to a certain extent going up against Mr. Pheonix Wright probably does not enjoy everyone else in the trial though
Oh Franziska DEFINITELY enjoys her cases with Phoenix. I think she’s kinda imagining him as the villain in her story and she’s the cool hero. In Turnabout Goodbyes there’s one scene where Franziska goes over to Nick and she’s does her usual “HAHAHA I WILL BEAT YOU THIS TIME WRIGHT BECAUSE I AHVE THE VON KARMA NAM-“ and Phoenix is having a hard time so he just responds “Winning cases… is that all that matters to you??” And Von Karma is baffled! Why is Wright so serious all of a sudden. That isn’t making it fun! I really like Franziska Von Karma.
1:19:17 Regina is sixteen and does not understand the weight or severity of death. Moe doesn’t have Regina attend court because he dislikes the way she processes grief, but because she is not processing it.
Regina's "innocence" on the subject of death drove Acro insane to the point of trying to murder her (1:53:51) and Moe gets hate from rt for trying to put a stop to that, we truly live in a society (get it cuz most people associate we live in a society with joker clown person and moe is clown).
I'm surprised that *big top* of all cases was the one I have most personal input on, with the theater kid comment and now this, but here we go I guess. I was also sixteen when I lost a direct family member, and I will agree that I don't think Regina is coping quite *yet;* I think it's possible that what we're seeing from her could also be shock. In the first few days, or, in my case, the first week your loved one dies, you are unable to process what just happened properly because it's only just happened. I remember constantly wondering if my loved one was dead or not, and being confused, convinced my mind was playing tricks on me. When we get to the case, Russel Berry has just died the night before, and we end two days later. Moe has not given Regina enough time to see if this is shock or something much worse. I do definitely agree that the writers were trying to go the direction of Regina being unable to cope, though. They set her up as living in this fantasy of a circus, where she really does believe puppets live and talk. It's just sad that they overlooked this part of grieving.
@@icybeverage9276 plus the way the whole situation with leon was written, it seemed like a genuine mistake. regina giving the pepper scarf to make bat sneeze, bat stick his head in by chance as another decision, and regina likely didn't realize that the scarf is what triggered the bite. they tried to make it seem like her naivety is dangerous but it was just a series of unfortunate scenarios lining up beyond anyone's control and which regina wouldn't guess while she's still coping with a bad situation. also a note, there are no "writers," the trilogy was written by the director shu takumi by himself and he wrote justice for all drunk, which is likely why this case makes sense only if you're not sober.
@@justasmltwngir1732 P= Phoenix, J=Judge, K=Von Karma, just so you know who is saying what. P: It's... Umm... Umm............. J: W-W-W-What!? Why did you stop talking all of a sudden!? P: Well... I'm just not really sure if I should say anything or not because the bust is... Under Your Honor's bench! K: ...You had to think about whether it was a good idea to say that!? J: GWWWWAAAAHHHH!! WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME!? THAT'S A PENALTY!! P: Arrrgghhh J: WHAT'S THAT!? YOU WANT A DOUBLE!? HERE YA GO!! P: Double arrrggghhh!! (Ahh... I knew I had a bad feeling about that...) J: Now hurry up and fix things!
I saw this case on Stream and let me tell you: it was painfull both for RT and for all the thousand Von Karmas who subscribed that day. Still it was fun to see him balance between suffering and wanting to kill the whole court of anime Pd: some people spoiled RT so he changed the chat to subscribers only, meaning lots of people subscribed in one go, many changing their name to von karma
This case is already a trainwreck as it is but it only gets even worse when you find out that Shu Takumi, Ace Attorney's director, admitted to being extremely drunk when he was writing Justice For All and that he had the most fun writing Turnabout Big Top
honestly this case is dreadful, but I see how it would be very fun to write while incredibly drunk. it's the sorta thing you think makes PERFECT sense and has the BEST twists but once you push it out while sober, it's exactly what it was written as: a drunk fever dream
At this rate von karma is gonna become a alternative personality for Daniel and he’s just subconsciously become him whenever the chemical factory, elevators and the word phenix are mentioned
this whole case just has me screaming "DOONT MAKE JOKES" when RT just manages to pull the answer out of his ass because of a joke he makes like about the bust, jfc this case is a nightmare
I, like most of the fanbase, really don't like the majority of this case, especially since it gets massively overshadowed by the case that follows it. But everytime we reach Acro's confession, when he says "I'm nothing but a murderer. That's who I am..." that always makes me shed a tear. It's a case that had so much potential to tell a really powerful emotional story and at that very moment you can see a glimpse of what could have been and yet, it's the certainly the worst case in the series.
It's really annoying that something genuinely sad like Acro's story and creative like his motive, as well as some good Franziska Von Karma characterization, happened to be in the same case as Perjury the Clown, Asshole Puppet, Uncomfortably Underage Love Interest Who Acts Even More Like a Child, and a cloak that conveniently ignores physics.
Yeah.... It almost makes the case feel *worse* to me, because the emotion is truly there. (Another draft or two could've really done wonders.) Heck, just make Regina 20 (and clearly indicate Moe's penalty cues), and you've already made massive strides.
Acro: Please for the love of god show some remorse Regina. Regina: Lol your brother died he’s a star hahahahahahahaha Acro: Please show any emotion besides happiness twoards my brothers death. Regina: hahahah your brother is dead uwu owo lololol
YES! PLEASE SOMEONE NEEDS TO SAY IT! I legit really liked Acro. He was the first culprit I didn’t actually want to convict. His story was heartbreaking and the fact that he accidentally murdered another person close to him in his blind need for revenge was horrific. Honestly Acro was my favorite part of the case (which isn’t saying much but I liked him better then a lot of other culprits in the series!)
fun fact: ben isn't the series' only ventriloquist! trucy wright, of aa4-onwards fame, also commands a puppet. however, as the devs were unwilling to retread old ground in sprites, her lips do not move when speaking for the puppet, even as an eight year old! and yes, this does mean that a literal child is a better ventriloquist than this actual professional who puppeteers for a living. get rekt ben.
she's also a better magician than max, considering max's only trick is flying and it's literally just invisible wires. trucy does like... several actual tricks very well. she's very good and varied!
The thing is RT, the whole "star in the sky" things _wasn't_ a way of processing grief. It was a way for her to do the exact _opposite_ . She was in EXTREME denial. Honestly, this case is really bad, yeah. But I do like the overall story with Regina, Acro, Bat, and the Ring Master.
Yeah that’s the only praise I can give this case is that Acro was a really interesting and sympathetic murderer. First one I actually didn’t want to convict
You see Mr Phoenix Wright, the reason there were no footprints at the scene of the crime is that I, Manfred Von Karma, had the foot prints burned off in a chemical factory, just like the fingerprints.
I'll be honest I appreciate Moe bringing Regina to court. She is 16 and she doesn't know what death is. Thats concerning, Especially considering the fact she caused someone to go into a coma and felt no remorse, or felt sad that her father was murdered. That's not mourning or coping mechanism. Thats just pure ignorance, and would only cause more incidents if left unchecked.
i think maybe it wasnt the greatest idea just because of acro talking about how he literally wanted to crush her to death but even then moe couldnt predict that. i dont like either of them but regina was a 16 year old who couldnt process the death of her father in a healthy way (plus being the object of affection of several grown men but the case doesnt address that), and moe taking her to court was probably the best thing he couldve done considering how sheltered she was. regina please go to therapy
@@xord6286 she also ends up being one of the more relevant characters in that games story from what I recall, and she even helps us with some parts of the cases! Unfortunately, the same can not be said about the type of people that work at Berry Big Circus, much to her dismay, but hey at least she tried to help fix that.
I know Moe is annoying, but he was like, maybe second best character in this case because despite trying to not really acknowledge the death of the ringmaster, he still cared about everyone in the circus and that's very apparent. 1st best was acro though, and maybe third was Max but that's just because I think his design is cool.
One of the best murderers in the series tbh. First time we get a murderer that isn’t just “MWAHHAHAHA I KILLED THEM” and the first time I questioned if we were doing the right thing convicting him!
also, the thing about regina and "shattering her innocence" that girl is not an 8 year old, she's 16 and in charge of training big cats, she needs to understand consequences are real
Now I'm imagining Von Karma hooked up to a cloning machine spitting out hundreds of copies of himself one by one, each with some slight variation. " _Yes, for you see, with my 300 clones, I shall never truly die, Mr. Phoenix Wright!_ " (Cue a cacophany of maniacal laughter, explaining evil plans, objections, flamboyant sinister language, and something about a chemical factory)
This... This is literally one of the best case ideas executed so terribly that any semblance of likeability goes down the drain. Ignoring the "two grown men thirsting for a 16yo" things, cuz it's anime, shit happens, characters are too insufferable, testimonies are too negatively affected by said characters, and ffs, you have to defend prolly the worst defendant in the series.
Finally someone said it. And Regina is childish. I can’t believe two grown men actually fought each other for a young girl who doesn’t know that much about the world and is ignorant for wrong doing. It’s just crazy to me.
Its okay Daniel, i also think this is the worst case of the trilogy (even though the ending makes me cry (especially in the anime)). But it’s all made up for with how good the next case is :3c It’s personally my favorite and i cant wait for you to play it :D
@@screamingbean7509 Oh, don’t worry. Farewell, My Turnabout is regarded as one of the best cases in the Trilogy, and for good reason. You won’t be disappointed
Turnabout Big Top biggest quality is that after you finish it, you're rewarded with the 2nd best case in the whole franchise (imo, as 3-5 is my favorite lol)
i feel like while 3-5 is the best in the trilogy, 2-4 is the best standalone case in the trilogy, and the best standalone case of any of the phoenix wright games imo (haven't played/seen any of the great ace attorney games so idk about them)
I know this case is generally regarded as the worst case in the series, and for very valid reasons, but I personally really like it. It's super unique with the idea that none of the characters are likeable (except Moe near the end) and it's the first example of the defense having to defend someone who's not a good person (Larry may be annoying but his heart is usually in the right place). WARNING: People are talking about spoliers in the comments
i mean, the defending someone who isn’t a good person comes up again in the final case, so i personally find that redundant, but i am a big fan of the idea ofhaving no likeable characters in a case
I like the contrast between the batshit insane plot and annoying characters and then (SPOILERS) Acro and his story. Like Jesus Christ we went from funny haha clown joke bad to "My brother was put into a coma 6 months ago, during the same incident in which I was paralyzed from the waist down. The person who I felt was responsible had such a naïve view of the world it made me feel like my brother's (metaphorical) death was just a joke to them, adding salt to the wound. I contemplated killing myself but my brother was still technically alive and it kept me going, I came up with a twisted justification for killing the person and tried to, but in a tragic turn of events I ended up accidentally killing the man I could never repay for his kindness in taking me in and raising me when my parents abandoned me as a child." It's a perfectly tragic story and one of only a few cases that I can think of where you can actually kind of sympathize for the killer. It's just a shame that the writer had a little too much to drink (literally) and everything else kinda sucks.
his sprites do NOT help me like him bc i swear he talks about how regina cant process the death of her father without making it seem whimsical while laughing???
@@lizardperson780 Lol yeah. Phoenix is a prosecutor. His arguments just happen to always defend his client. Most of the time the Prosecuters are actually the one defending(When Phoenix finally finds the witness who did it, it's like the jobs do a complete 180).
@@failingeverything5793 Of course, he is a prosecutor in regards to what he actually does during a case, but the effect is that he is an effective defendant, since no one he "prosecutes" gets convicted until a later trial where a prosecutor just does what Phoenix did again.
@@dig8634 it's a little scary to think that there's a non-zero chance that there's probably someone Phoenix has accused that the prosecutor who actually handled that person's case fucked up and now they're out of all of this
So I'm not the only one who feels this way!! I know he basically prosecutes someone at every case, but here it's especially apparent, with him first deciding to pin the murder on someone and only then trying to look for clues that the person did it
"A clown, one Mr. Moe Problems was found dead earlier from a combination of blunt force trauma from a red turtle shell to the head and had marks on his back that almost looked like someone had drifted a go-kart over the body post-mortem. We also found a crown, an Irish flag and an English degree nearby"
Trilo is a ghost possessing a puppet, and due to Trilo being the puppet he needs a host to speak or do actions. With out a host Trilo is stuck lifeless, left only to ponder thoughts in his head.
I've been watching RT for a long time, and he is a class act all around, but without a doubt the Von Karma running gag is the funniest part of his content
@@mahapatrasohammthe thing about the age of consent is that is it supposed to be used with OTHER TEENS who have like a 1-2 year difference between them. Not creepy 30 year olds who want to have sex with teenagers.
@@mahapatrasohammThat was never really true, and is even less true now than when you first heard it. Yes, the federal/national age consent in Japan used to be 13, but every prefecture has their own additional laws to push it higher. For example, the effective age of consent in Tokyo is 18, though other locations can go as low as 16 or as high as 20. The federal/national age of consent also isn't even 13 anymore, as they raised it to 16 last June.
Fear not RT, in the anime, the cloak was actually intentionally ATTACHED to the bust and didn't just magically snag onto it which actually does make some sense compared to this mess of a case
i watched the anime before a full playthrough of the games, and i honestly really liked this case because it was honestly really good on the anime version i guess that it just doesn't work in gameplay form, as evident by this absolute trainwreck of a case
@@davebob8506 the plot with Ben and Max wanting to get with Regina? Pretty sure they cut that out from the anime adaptation since it was too controversial
@@tigera5941 Well yeah of course it was. Max 21, Bat is 22 and Ben is 31. She's 16. the anime adaptation isn't perfect but i'm glad they recognised that the love triangle was rightfully extremely gross and was cut. the only bit that's mentioned is the ring and how trilo was waiting to give it to her, everything else is cut completely.
I am dying at the Von Karma alerts. Actually painful in chest area and throat from laughing too hard and trying to keep it quiet at night. "For you see, it was I that asphyxiated the viewer Mr. Phoenix Wright!"
I think one of the worst things about it is the penalties you get if you press Moe on the wrong part of the testimony, at this point both the first and this game has encouraged you to press every statement to make sure you get the right info but suddenly the game doesn't want you to do that and punishes you if you do.
No lie. Moe is actually my favorite character from this trial. Outside of Acro, and despite his jokes, Moe feels like the only one who is actually taking it seriously.
I feel like this case could have been one of the best in the entire series if not for just missed potential and bad writing. The premise of everyone being mourning and wracked with grief for their loved ones within in the circus and doing horrific things because of that is actually amazing, it would be a great basis for using a real life problem many people struggle with, grief, as an anchor for the entire case. Furthermore, I feel like they really missed something with Von Karma's purpose in defeating Wright being to bring back Edgeworth. *And this is something that really irks me.* Seriously: I was watching this episode imagining that at the end there'd be a super dramatic point where Fransziska just snaps and starts screaming about bringing Miles back, which in turn makes Wright snap and go on a rant to her face about how she's not the only one who misses him and just telling her "Edgeworth is dead, Fransziska. Nothing you or I do can bring him back". All in court of course so the Judge can even hop in. But no. We get nothing. Just the twist of Edgeworth not being dead. They had so many opportunities to turn this around and make it undisputably the best case (so far). Instead they decided they'd drop all of that for a clown and a puppet.
YES OH MY GOD phoenix and franziska having a confrontation in court would literally have been perfect. it would have shown franziska’s caring side AND would give us more backstory into her and miles’ relationship while under von karma’s roof, not to mention that it would have brought phoenix and franziska closer and the player would have more sympathy for her. in addition, it would have shown how much phoenix truly cares about miles and would have made it more angsty for both franziska and phoenix when they find out he’s not actually dead. it would have also been a great parallel to the case, as they both involve a family grieving the loss of a loved one. anyway i’m sure there’s a fanfic of this somewhere lmao
this is literally my first time experiencing this series and im pissed this isnt actually what happened. that sounds really interesting, phoenix and franziska fighting about how to deal with edgeworths death
Worst part of the case is the fact that it could’ve been great. The concept of an entire group trying to recover from their beloved boss’s death sounds perfect. Too bad most of the characters suck (except Regina she was actually pretty interesting).
This case was a trainwreck and I never want to play it again :)
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You fool, Max’s footprints were burnt off in the Chemical Factory!
this gave me a good laugh thank you
VON KARMAA!!!
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought of this joke.
This is almost as unhinged as the actual case...
@@jlco they only get worse
the real crime of this case is the fact that they made their disabled circus mate live on the 3rd floor with no immediate way down lmao who signed off on banishing acro to an upper floor never to be seen again (or signed off on keeping him up there idr if he was already living on floor 3 or not)
as someone whose girlfriend uses a wheelchair, I now feel this on a spiritual level
for real. their dedication to accessibility is a bigger joke than anything moe could come up with
i think there must just be some writing inconsistency because obviously they had to get him down from the third floor for the trial, so i have to assume there’s an elevator system or something… but still. making the man live on the third floor while wheelchair-bound is still crazy cruel. i’d consider that motive for murder alone
@@frog_goblin I feel like, he should be given a slightly reduced sentence as such.
The best explanation is that he and money already lived on the 3rd floor, and since money refused to leave so did acro.
Edgeworth was right... these people aren't clowns, *they're literally the entire circus.*
I don't know why I read this in Von Karma's voice
Not just the circus, but the entire entertainment industry
@StickMaster500 you again…
Including the clown
Just like this case
“Miles was like a Little Brother to Me” She says while she is 18 and Miles is 25
I guess she feels above him since he joined her family after her.
@John-kd2tc And her father spent more time with him than he did with her.
@@John-kd2tc but assuming miles was adopted right after dlc, franzy wouldve been 2 at the time...
@@poisonedmaple6874 DL-6?
@@11MissingPhoenix i just now realized i said dlc instead of dl-6 LMAO
"I can excuse ghosts but living dolls is where I put the line."
"You can excuse ghosts?"
Yep living dolls would be a nightmare
I mean Trilo didn't talk/show any signs of being alive when Maya & Nick picked him up so he isn't alive on his own for sure.
@@shincci Only Ben knows how to shove his hand up there in the correct way to bring him to life.
Agreed definitely excuse the ghost
@shincci i know this is 2 years later but Ben and trilo do have some sprites where Ben doesn't open his mouth while trilo speaks (I think Ben only has one sprite speaking at the same time trilo is supposed to be talking)
Fun fact: According to interviews with series director Shu Takumi, this case was written on a short deadline, leading him to resort to getting drunk during the writing process. Makes sense doesn’t it.
So the script was literally written on a drunken spur
@@Dead_Weight21 give me the name of any sane person who can think up a case as batshit as this while sober, the court will penalize you for an incorrect answer
That actually makes this case a whole lot better in my opinion, it's so batshit insane it's great
actually it wasn't just this case, it was the entire game! he had to write it in 3 and a half months so he slipped whiskey into energy drinks and went nuts
for frame of reference, the first game had EACH case take a month and a half to write, so that was 6 months total for 4 cases. he suddenly had half the time to write 5 (justice for all was going to have another case after big top but it was cut for time and memory reasons. it was then turned into recipe for turnabout from aa3)
The entirety of AA2 and AA3 was written on a short deadline while drunk. I don't think the quality of the case is caused by the drunkenness of the author.
It's tragic to hear what happened to Bat in this case.
To think he was put in a Manfred Von Coma.
Manfred Von Crippled
GET OUT
You see that over there? THATS THE DOOR 🚪!!
Still a better joke than Moe's jokes
Manfred Von Brain Trauma
This case was one horrific dark tunnel. The Von Karmas were our guiding light.
It wasn’t horrific it was the best case in the series
Manfred von chicken corma>>
The Von Karma Family Potluck
I’m proud to bear the name Danfred Von Karma
@@jaxsterminator8634 While it isn't the worst...I disagree with you and especially more since you're kinda acting pretty aggressive about this towards us.
For once, I completely understand Von Karma’s decision to insist the witness not tell the court something. Even she refused to believe the criminal flew away, even tho she could probably have tried to use it to push her case against Max.
In normal circumstances it would've hurt the witness' credibility so her asking him not to talk about it is probably the most realistic thing about the entire case.
@@Frey74. VON KARMA NOOO
She does exactly that in the anime.
In the previous case she was completely willing to go "hey look here's proof that spirit mediums can physically transform and that's why Maya is the murderer" (I mean, Pearls turned into Mia in front of everyone but ssssshh), so she's willing to accept the supernatural exists... But even she thinks it's stupid
@@kadebrockhausen i think like, just because something supernatural like the spirit medium stuff exists *doesnt mean* that everything else super natural can exist too
its like, if you found out ghosts were real and then you started hunting for bigfoot because one supernatural thing was real so clearly the rest must be too, yknow what i mean?
i also def think that franziska's experience with spirit medium is probably a reference to the fact that franziska's dad's only case where he got a penalty *was* the case where they officially used a spirit medium to contact the dead and franziska definitely researched some of her dad's cases (given how much inspiration she takes from him) so, it could be assumed that she just went down the rabbithole of spirit mediums at some point in her offtime because she saw it mentioned in her dad's case
its still a really really stupid case and genuinely, i've tried like 4 times to watch this video but i *cannot* even fathom any of the plot and actually sit through the entire thing lmao
60% of this cases' plot failures would be fixed if they just made Regina like. 24.
Then the 'growing up' subplot would make a fuckton more sense, a bunch of adults wouldn't be simping for a child, it would make EVEN NORE SENSE for someone to go crazy hearing a GROWN ASS WOMAN not understand the gravity of your BROTHER being IN A COMA-
I mean even when you’re 16 you should grasp the situation but agree to everything else
EXACTLY??? THE FACT THEY DIDNT EVEN MAKE HER LEGALLY AN ADULT IS SO BAFFLING?? LIKE ALL OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF SHE WAS LIKE IN HER 20’S!
@@dannyboers4704 Well, it depends on how you were raised, and Regina seems like her parents spoiled her all her life. She seems completely clueless and doesn’t understand real life situations and how bad they really are. She’s 16 but everyone around her had probably treated her like she was 10 and let her live like she was 10 for years. It makes sense why she would have no clue as a 16 year old who was that sheltered. 24 would be when you not only actually get a job, have to pay taxes, all that jazz, but you suddenly have all these things you can do and you can’t just run to mom and dad for approval anymore, unlike a 16 year old. Therefore, people telling an incredibly sheltered 16 year old to grow up and magically understand how serious things are is a bit of a stretch, but telling a 24 year old woman would be incredibly reasonable.
@@loveloveaii what if they just made her turn 18? Even just before the accident 6 months ago? Then everything would be ok, age-wise
@@tinaherr3856 well-… if you’re gonna change her age au don’t see why you shouldn’t just make her a bit older than FRESHLY 18, that would still kinda be weird.
after the police sirens got sent on the judge, daniel had to go do something really quick but he left the sirens playing. chat was mourning the fact he got caught for his various crimes.
Best part of the stream
The Irish EPA finally tracked down the mastermind behind the sewer volcano.
they found his house after he commited tax fraud (in a turnip persona)
Honestly, Phoenix Wright isn’t a defense attorney, he’s a prosecutor who just finds a witness to prosecute.
Nobody ever acknowledges that Phoenix does literally everything
Pretty sure that in the anime, there’s a part where he technically starts trying to prove the defendant guilty
@@normal_username3231 I might be wrong, but would that be the 'De Killer' case?
@@shwup Phoenix is the defense and the prosecution. He's literally carrying all of anime court on his back lmao
@@nicestpancake hes basically the judge too since the judge is useless :,)
Final count of how many times Von Karma attacks someone with her whip: 20
Man, the bailiff should be fired and replaced with someone who will actually do their job.
Yanni Yogi would have, I just wonder if it would be too effective
the bailiff is into it
Count the ones in the first case
Doing so will expose an enormous conspiracy which will end up in exposing a cabal of corrupt politicians that placed an idiotic judge that gets all of their political opponents in jail
@@androgenius_alisa I mean... You're not wrong, from what I've heard from the 3DS games...
The sincerity in Daniel's voice when he said "Go f*** yourself" to Maximillion really shows how much he hates this case in a single sentence
TIMESTAMP
@@rowen616 1:55:03
@@iwakeupandboomimarat tanks
@@rowen616 np :)
@@iwakeupandboomimarat nice name
"According to all known laws of Ace Attorney universe, there is no way that Max Galactica should be able to fly. His cape is too small to get his thin human body off the ground. Max, of course, flies anyways. Because Max doesn't care what Von Karma thinks is impossible."
-Manfred Von Bee Benson
I would like but it's at 69 likes
@@Frey74. Von Karma, NOOOOO
When there were no footprints, that’s when Jesus was aiding and abetting the murder.
Just take my like and get out lmao
1:22:08 The real bombshell in this case was learning that the judge actually knows what perjury is.
This judge somehow knows what assault and perjury are and still lets this court happen.
I googled out of dread and curiosity after the last part...
Regina is 16.
Max is 21.
Bat was 22.
Ben is 31.
The judge is however old he is.
The police suddenly has a lot more work...
The judge has no age. He is immortal. He has seen the passing of ages, he has witnessed the fall of Rome, and he likely suffered a lot of head trauma in that time, which is the only excuse for how he runs the court.
Japan moment
Except everyone is the age of consent in Japan, so no police work actually.
And trillo is...
Well you know, Trillo might be even younger than Regina actually. Might be factory-new for all we know.
I think Ben was just doing it for a bit, going a bit too in character but the others are yiiikes
I think what frustrates me about this case is that there are brief sparks of something actually good here, but it's constantly bogged down by the fact it was written in a drunken stupor with how badly thought out everything else is.
Apparently, it was _literally_ written on a drunken stupor, according to another comment Shu Takumi confirmed it was on a tight deadline and they wrote it while drunk
So f***** true lol
The main good thing I can say about it is that it breaks the pattern Ace Attorney has established by making the one truly sweet guy you want to have a good ending be the culprit, and everyone else being innocent of the murder but being genuinely awful and annoying people anyway.
And the victim seemed like a legitimately good man. Just sad.
The DLC case in Dual Destinies is basically this one but good.
As genuinely awful as Turnabout Big Top is, I love how Franziska is portrayed throughout the case. It really gives us a great look into how she is as a character and what her motivations are. I appreciate the case for that, and the fact that it's so bad you have to love it.
Same. This case made me love Franziska which is probably the only good thing that ever came from Big Top
Fun fact with this case: Towards the end, you can accuse the judge of hiding the murder weapon - and you'll end up with a double penalty, aka a game over if you're not at full health.
He needed to silence you
Hearing "Von sussy baka" and "uwu" legitimately struck fear into my bones
@@magnotec. Manfred von Ligma.
@@lemonberry_soda who the hell is quinlan ireland?!
@@Frey74.VON KARMA NOOOOOO!!
who the heck is manfred @@lemonberry_soda
@@bjone52NAGASH WAS WEAK
This stream was an absolute fever dream with the von Karmageddon and the Frank Sinatra bit. Worst case but the best part of the AA playthrough so far
Even in our darkest moments… von karma will always light it up in our most trying times. I can’t help but wonder how he’ll react to the prosecutor in trials & tribulations. I know he said he wasn’t gonna play the full series, but I at least hope he’ll play either Apollo justice or the great ace attorney chronicles games… solely for the characters.
VON KARMAGEDDON
Stepsista von karma donates and says "what are you doing, step Edgeworth?"
von karmageddon is the best spin on his name ive ever heard
@@DramaLlamaTheatrics 13:21 😮
Franziska is a considerably more likeable character than her father because, while both of them were speedrunners, Manfred ran Any% while Franziska ran 100% no major glitches.
Father*
...i know it's two months ago...but can you expand on that
?
@@mistertea603 They’re referring to speed run completion. In speed running, you can do any % which allows the use of any skips and glitches, while a 100% run is completing everything in the game
i love this comment
You know, Acro was really interesting in this case. He never got angry when Phoenix pointed out contradictions or holes in the testimony, or pulled up evidence. He also never got a final breakdown reaction. He was truly not upset at Phoenix, and dare I say, was the only culprit in the series that respected him while he was in court.
*Dee Vasquez is typing*
Yes, she is rude to Phoenix when she first appears in court, but she is exactly the same to everyone else in the room. Also her and Acro are the only ones to graciously accept defeat
**ahem**
[SPOILERS]
godot
@@intelchip_x86
Spoilers too:
that is true. Though, he had more of a character arc, and ties to multiple events in the past. Acro was a one case witness, who was on the stand. Those guys also have a breakdown. (Also, this comment was made before I watched the Trials and Tribulations videos)
17:32
"Is that an admission of assault and battery?"
I mean, at this point, isn't Franziska's entire career an admission to assault and battery? Gumshoe literally admitted that she whips absolutely everyone in the precinct the day after the murder happened. How is Max clonking someone over the head with a glass bottle considered "assault" and not the countless times Von Karma bullwhips literally everyone she meets??? _WHAT IS LAW IN THE ACE ATTORNEY UNIVERSE?!!_
I mean they do let a convicted criminal to prosecute in the fifth game. While armed with a katana and pet hawk that can attack people.
to be fair franziska could just whip anyone who tried to arrest her. either that or franziska is exempt from assault laws
@@iwakeupandboomimarat I headcannon that everyone knows she's comitting assault but the police is just too scared to arrest her, which would be hilarous if it was the case
The judge is into it
Franziska does what she wants, a von Karma isn't wrong
RT trying to come to terms with a "non-zero chance" that the puppet is alive is absolutely hilarious.
51:58 you know… there’s a very easy way to prove that theory. This is a world where spirit mediums exist. Just have maya or pearl try to channel the spirit of miles edgeworth. If it doesn’t work, then he’s clearly not dead!!!
Nah Phoenix is having a gay crisis and doesn't even want to think about him
That was pretty much the motive of the last case if I remember correctly.
Edgeworth would really like to be involved in another case with spirit mediums.
@@justyouraveragecorgi phoenix angst arc
If that worked, then we should also go up to every character in every case with the Magatama and ask them if they’re the killer. Would make things a whole lot easier.
45:01 I find it incredibly sad and incredibly funny that the only time Daniel laughed at anything Moe said, was when he wasn't even making a joke.
Clown: Makes a joke
Judge: "That's it, kill Max."
When the Judge said, "This will not become a kangaroo court!", I died of laughter
That clown needs to take some notes, this is true comedy
27:48 for anyone who wants the timestamp
That’s just a saying, though
@@henryolsen8232 it's because it already is a kangaroo court
@@Frey74. Von Karma No!
“I hereby find Maximillion Galactica: guilty; he will be killed”
As miserable as this case is I would like to point out one thing: Von Karma didn’t use Max being able to “fly” as evidence to prosecute him. She actually had Moe hide him seeing the killer float
VON KARMA!!! THANK YOU!!!!! lol
Franziska having to deal with all this bullshit is literally the best part of this case.
Hilariously she’s the only one who denies that he ever flew during the entire thing.
Until Phoenix kind of forced her to a point where she had to say Max did fly
Franziska is actually a pretty good prosecutor. Despite her agressive style, on several occasions she backs phoenix up when he presents clear evidence against the witness' claims. She does prepare testemonies, but doesnt tell the witnesses to lie, only to withhold information she deems is bad for the case she is trying to build. Which is completely legit. She actually doesnt forge evidence like all the other main prosecutors. I've come to like her alot actually.
Not included in the highlight: RT having to set the chat to sub only mode not even because someone spoiled, but because some dumbass who hadn't even known the answer had to go ahead and backseat with a wrong guess, which RT believed to be the correct one. It's so funny
Edit: Just to be clear, I don't blame RT one bit here. He made the right decision. Backseating is still backseating, spoiler or not
It also sucks, but this case brought out the worst in people, so we deserve it.
He *did* say that chat would be set to sub mode even for fake spoilers.
Do you know who it was?
@@gameyfirebro9645 multiple people. Someone pointed it out and multiple people agreed that it was strange. It was moe saying max’s coat is black… which it isn’t but that is just a weird error and not the answer.
Timestamp from the stream?
While it was a trainwreck, I found this case interesting in how, as said in the end, none of the people involved was really evil, unlike most others where there's a clear 'HAHAHA I KILLED HIM!' culprit.
It was just a string of accidents that turned deadly. No wonder Regina cracks at the end, she 'caused' this by pulling an innocent prank on Bat and then he decided it was a good moment to do the Lion trick, and I imagine Regina didnt even realize it would be a bad idea, and so on spiraled.
As for Von Karma, she growls, but I get the feeling she is enjoying these cases. That the defenses back in Germany just folded against her, so having someone that actually is fighting her tooth and nail must be fun.
I don't think she's enjoying the cases. She just wants to win a case against Phoenix to prove she's better than *SPOILER*
@@arciks11 I mean... She probably does enjoy to a certain extent going up against Mr. Pheonix Wright probably does not enjoy everyone else in the trial though
Oh Franziska DEFINITELY enjoys her cases with Phoenix. I think she’s kinda imagining him as the villain in her story and she’s the cool hero.
In Turnabout Goodbyes there’s one scene where Franziska goes over to Nick and she’s does her usual “HAHAHA I WILL BEAT YOU THIS TIME WRIGHT BECAUSE I AHVE THE VON KARMA NAM-“ and Phoenix is having a hard time so he just responds “Winning cases… is that all that matters to you??” And Von Karma is baffled! Why is Wright so serious all of a sudden. That isn’t making it fun!
I really like Franziska Von Karma.
Which is a shame, because I hate all of these characters and would gladly go "HAHAHA I KILLED HIM" if I was found guilty of their murder.
Also like the second case of TGAAC2
“No shit, your honour” - favourite line out of this whole thing.
Imagine being sentenced for murder because a clown made a joke at your trial
"I don't know if anyone wants to be here"
If Franziska is there, everyone wants to be there
Except phoenix, who was literally knocked unconscious by her
"she's so pretty~"
And Manfred. It's Franzisca's dad.
@@clementpruvost8670 also the judge who is like 30 years minium older than her
chat be like
RT loudly bracing himself before every testimony is a statement on the likability of these characters
Acro is ok to be honest, Moe and Ben/Trilo are insanely irritating!
1:19:17 Regina is sixteen and does not understand the weight or severity of death. Moe doesn’t have Regina attend court because he dislikes the way she processes grief, but because she is not processing it.
Regina's "innocence" on the subject of death drove Acro insane to the point of trying to murder her (1:53:51) and Moe gets hate from rt for trying to put a stop to that, we truly live in a society (get it cuz most people associate we live in a society with joker clown person and moe is clown).
I'm surprised that *big top* of all cases was the one I have most personal input on, with the theater kid comment and now this, but here we go I guess.
I was also sixteen when I lost a direct family member, and I will agree that I don't think Regina is coping quite *yet;* I think it's possible that what we're seeing from her could also be shock.
In the first few days, or, in my case, the first week your loved one dies, you are unable to process what just happened properly because it's only just happened. I remember constantly wondering if my loved one was dead or not, and being confused, convinced my mind was playing tricks on me.
When we get to the case, Russel Berry has just died the night before, and we end two days later. Moe has not given Regina enough time to see if this is shock or something much worse.
I do definitely agree that the writers were trying to go the direction of Regina being unable to cope, though. They set her up as living in this fantasy of a circus, where she really does believe puppets live and talk. It's just sad that they overlooked this part of grieving.
@@icybeverage9276 plus the way the whole situation with leon was written, it seemed like a genuine mistake. regina giving the pepper scarf to make bat sneeze, bat stick his head in by chance as another decision, and regina likely didn't realize that the scarf is what triggered the bite. they tried to make it seem like her naivety is dangerous but it was just a series of unfortunate scenarios lining up beyond anyone's control and which regina wouldn't guess while she's still coping with a bad situation. also a note, there are no "writers," the trilogy was written by the director shu takumi by himself and he wrote justice for all drunk, which is likely why this case makes sense only if you're not sober.
@@sambradley9091 DID HE ACTUALLY?
Yeah he wrote at least this one drunk
I like how Franziska says Edgeworth was “like a little brother” to her, despite being like 7 years older than her.
Oh dang it, he didn't pick the judge's bench as the location for the bust, that's the best line of dialogue in the game
What is it?
@@justasmltwngir1732 P= Phoenix, J=Judge, K=Von Karma, just so you know who is saying what.
P: It's... Umm... Umm.............
J: W-W-W-What!? Why did you stop talking all of a sudden!?
P: Well... I'm just not really sure if I should say anything or not because the bust is... Under Your Honor's bench!
K: ...You had to think about whether it was a good idea to say that!?
J: GWWWWAAAAHHHH!! WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME!? THAT'S A PENALTY!!
P: Arrrgghhh
J: WHAT'S THAT!? YOU WANT A DOUBLE!? HERE YA GO!!
P: Double arrrggghhh!! (Ahh... I knew I had a bad feeling about that...)
J: Now hurry up and fix things!
@@Druid-T beautiful
Prosecutor's bench was best cause she don't say anything, she just straight up kill Phoenix
I mean, the dialogue where the Judge thinks you want to kill him when questioning De Killer is also really good
As a theater kid, Max saying he drinks milk before performances makes me cry seeing as. You're not supposed to have dairy before performances 🥲
Bad for your throat, right?
@@bananasinfrench yep! Can cause reflux of stomach acid in your throat affecting your voice-
@@STAROFMOURNING That's how he won the Grand Prix. He not only did fly, he made it rain
@@Adahn99 that's a horrid image, thanks
How much talking can he really be doing while flying, though?
RT never fails to entertain, especially when he’s suffering
I only entertain form his suffering. I profit off of the notion he is in pain and exhausted.
@@silverag5761 while I agree with you, I do think that his sadistic chaotic side is the same level as his suffering.
It still amazes me how entertaining RT is. Amazing talent!
I saw this case on Stream and let me tell you: it was painfull both for RT and for all the thousand Von Karmas who subscribed that day. Still it was fun to see him balance between suffering and wanting to kill the whole court of anime
Pd: some people spoiled RT so he changed the chat to subscribers only, meaning lots of people subscribed in one go, many changing their name to von karma
Or when he’s making others suffer
This case is already a trainwreck as it is but it only gets even worse when you find out that Shu Takumi, Ace Attorney's director, admitted to being extremely drunk when he was writing Justice For All and that he had the most fun writing Turnabout Big Top
honestly this case is dreadful, but I see how it would be very fun to write while incredibly drunk. it's the sorta thing you think makes PERFECT sense and has the BEST twists but once you push it out while sober, it's exactly what it was written as: a drunk fever dream
@@sambradley9091 It isn’t dreadful lmao it’s the best case in the franchise
Actually, all of AA2 and 3 are written drunk because of a tight deadline.
@@qwertyasdf9290 He was drinking because of the deadline.
He put whiskey in energy drinks so he could work faster, therefore get it finished before the deadline.
I think of all the characters in this case, the Murderer is the only one to give a reasonable answer to “name and occupation”.
At this rate von karma is gonna become a alternative personality for Daniel and he’s just subconsciously become him whenever the chemical factory, elevators and the word phenix are mentioned
this whole case just has me screaming "DOONT MAKE JOKES" when RT just manages to pull the answer out of his ass because of a joke he makes like about the bust, jfc this case is a nightmare
I, like most of the fanbase, really don't like the majority of this case, especially since it gets massively overshadowed by the case that follows it. But everytime we reach Acro's confession, when he says "I'm nothing but a murderer. That's who I am..." that always makes me shed a tear. It's a case that had so much potential to tell a really powerful emotional story and at that very moment you can see a glimpse of what could have been and yet, it's the certainly the worst case in the series.
It's really annoying that something genuinely sad like Acro's story and creative like his motive, as well as some good Franziska Von Karma characterization, happened to be in the same case as Perjury the Clown, Asshole Puppet, Uncomfortably Underage Love Interest Who Acts Even More Like a Child, and a cloak that conveniently ignores physics.
Yeah.... It almost makes the case feel *worse* to me, because the emotion is truly there. (Another draft or two could've really done wonders.)
Heck, just make Regina 20 (and clearly indicate Moe's penalty cues), and you've already made massive strides.
That confession from Acro was heartbreaking. It made the case one of my favorites in spite of its glaring flaws.
Soooo damn true....its even irks my soul soo much on how much it would have been with some really really small changes
People hate this case but love Acro
And now I'm imagining Manfred Von Karma wearing rbg headphones in front of a curved monitor, playing LOL with his super-serious face.
We need Vongamer fanart.
And of course he's playing LoL lmao
@@silversonome5360 Your honor, league of legends
Death.
Acro: Please for the love of god show some remorse Regina.
Regina: Lol your brother died he’s a star hahahahahahahaha
Acro: Please show any emotion besides happiness twoards my brothers death.
Regina: hahahah your brother is dead uwu owo lololol
Moe: Hey Acro wanna hear a joke?
Acro: Please stop.
Moe: What has two legs and runs around? NOT YOU!
Acro: *Cries*
- From Ace Attorney in a nutshell
Let's be honest. Regina deserved to die.
YES! PLEASE SOMEONE NEEDS TO SAY IT! I legit really liked Acro. He was the first culprit I didn’t actually want to convict. His story was heartbreaking and the fact that he accidentally murdered another person close to him in his blind need for revenge was horrific. Honestly Acro was my favorite part of the case (which isn’t saying much but I liked him better then a lot of other culprits in the series!)
To be fair, if I was Acro, I’d probably fucking snap and murder someone too
fun fact: ben isn't the series' only ventriloquist! trucy wright, of aa4-onwards fame, also commands a puppet. however, as the devs were unwilling to retread old ground in sprites, her lips do not move when speaking for the puppet, even as an eight year old!
and yes, this does mean that a literal child is a better ventriloquist than this actual professional who puppeteers for a living. get rekt ben.
she's also a better magician than max, considering max's only trick is flying and it's literally just invisible wires. trucy does like... several actual tricks very well. she's very good and varied!
her name alone is a spoiler, dude ;-;
@@sambradley9091 I've seen her sprites and she's adorable aswell
trucy best character
She also wears a tophat which makes her the best child Companion.
Von Karma: *whips people*
The Judge:
Moe: *makes some jokes*
The Judge: im about to end this man's whole career
The thing is RT, the whole "star in the sky" things _wasn't_ a way of processing grief. It was a way for her to do the exact _opposite_ . She was in EXTREME denial.
Honestly, this case is really bad, yeah. But I do like the overall story with Regina, Acro, Bat, and the Ring Master.
I'd be happier investigating the six months ago case where the lion bit bats head
Yeah that’s the only praise I can give this case is that Acro was a really interesting and sympathetic murderer. First one I actually didn’t want to convict
You see Mr Phoenix Wright, the reason there were no footprints at the scene of the crime is that I, Manfred Von Karma, had the foot prints burned off in a chemical factory, just like the fingerprints.
Von Karma, no!
@@walnutalpaca8608 VON KARMA YES!!!!
The dude who did the chemical factory donation has my eternal gratitude. Legitimate tears.
Manfred Von Kromer: "Are you watching [COURTROOM]? I will be a [PROSECUTOR]!"
"I used to be the [Perfect Prosecution Record] guy, now I'm the [It Hurts! My Shoulder, It Hurts!!] guy."
"IT WAS I, PHOENIX [WrongAnswer]!!! I [Ouch, it hurts!] HIS FINGERPRINTS IN THE [[Acid River]]!!!!"
"this is the worst case in the game"
Oh, don't worry, It's the worst case in the entire *series* so... at least you're through it?
*best
ITS THE BEST CASE IN THE FRANCHISE
The worst case in the series until you play the third case of apollo justice
imo this is a masterpiece compared to 3-3
@@clutterspunk SOMEONE GETS IT
@@starless267 What? 3-2 is one of the very best cases!
I'll be honest I appreciate Moe bringing Regina to court. She is 16 and she doesn't know what death is. Thats concerning, Especially considering the fact she caused someone to go into a coma and felt no remorse, or felt sad that her father was murdered. That's not mourning or coping mechanism. Thats just pure ignorance, and would only cause more incidents if left unchecked.
Yeah, Regina is super sheltered and can't even understand things like death. I know everyone in this circus is fucked up but
i think maybe it wasnt the greatest idea just because of acro talking about how he literally wanted to crush her to death but even then moe couldnt predict that. i dont like either of them but regina was a 16 year old who couldnt process the death of her father in a healthy way (plus being the object of affection of several grown men but the case doesnt address that), and moe taking her to court was probably the best thing he couldve done considering how sheltered she was. regina please go to therapy
@@iwakeupandboomimarat I don't know if she ever went to therapy but she does come back in a later game and appears to be more
aware
@@xord6286 she also ends up being one of the more relevant characters in that games story from what I recall, and she even helps us with some parts of the cases!
Unfortunately, the same can not be said about the type of people that work at Berry Big Circus, much to her dismay, but hey at least she tried to help fix that.
I know Moe is annoying, but he was like, maybe second best character in this case because despite trying to not really acknowledge the death of the ringmaster, he still cared about everyone in the circus and that's very apparent.
1st best was acro though, and maybe third was Max but that's just because I think his design is cool.
That clown, "Lawrence Curls" also known as "Moe"... Larry, Curly, and Moe. He's a Three Stooges reference, in addition to being the fresh prince!
Honestly, that donation/cheer sequence was hilarious and I'm so happy I was a part of it. Absolutely made my day during the stream 🤣🤣
That part actually made me laugh, thank you for being there in that.
“Manfred Von Chicken Korma”
@@ieatmyfamily9676 "Manfred von Parma ham" was one of my personal favourites.
@@ieatmyfamily9676 Manfred Von Dalai Lama
VonSussyBaka😭😭
Not pictured: a Von Karma Family get-together which happened after the first trial. Dan almost died from laughter.
But it is pictured, and the song js being uploaded tomorrow. It says at the end of the video
That awkward moment when the killer is the best character.
Is that really awkward??? I dunno, maybe I'm just used to films where the murderer is the best character.
One of the best murderers in the series tbh. First time we get a murderer that isn’t just “MWAHHAHAHA I KILLED THEM” and the first time I questioned if we were doing the right thing convicting him!
He was the only character in this case I didn't hate
also, the thing about regina and "shattering her innocence" that girl is not an 8 year old, she's 16 and in charge of training big cats, she needs to understand consequences are real
Now I'm imagining Von Karma hooked up to a cloning machine spitting out hundreds of copies of himself one by one, each with some slight variation.
" _Yes, for you see, with my 300 clones, I shall never truly die, Mr. Phoenix Wright!_ "
(Cue a cacophany of maniacal laughter, explaining evil plans, objections, flamboyant sinister language, and something about a chemical factory)
Von Karmas, no!
They all like different foods and have bullets in different places
@@dragons6711
Manfred von Agua Frea was shot in the head by a man in a checkered suit
@@ob2kenobi388 the game was rigged from the start
This is how the Chemical Factory is staffed.
It's really funny how in basically every case at some point the prosecution becomes the defense of their own witness
This... This is literally one of the best case ideas executed so terribly that any semblance of likeability goes down the drain. Ignoring the "two grown men thirsting for a 16yo" things, cuz it's anime, shit happens, characters are too insufferable, testimonies are too negatively affected by said characters, and ffs, you have to defend prolly the worst defendant in the series.
I can't fault you there. Max is most definitely the 4th douchiest magician in the Ace Attorney series.
Finally someone said it. And Regina is childish. I can’t believe two grown men actually fought each other for a young girl who doesn’t know that much about the world and is ignorant for wrong doing. It’s just crazy to me.
@@mindshuffler3332 I’m guessing first is Mr. Reus, second is Valant Gramarye, and third is Zak Gramarye?
@Captain Blue Right on the head, friend.
Reus can burn in the deepest depths of Hell.
Spoiler:
You say this… but the next case has the absolute worst defendant ever
Its okay Daniel, i also think this is the worst case of the trilogy (even though the ending makes me cry (especially in the anime)). But it’s all made up for with how good the next case is :3c It’s personally my favorite and i cant wait for you to play it :D
Well I hope it’s really good cause this case is an entire train wreck, I felt dans pain the entire time😑
@@screamingbean7509 Oh, don’t worry.
Farewell, My Turnabout is regarded as one of the best cases in the Trilogy, and for good reason. You won’t be disappointed
What about outside the trilogy? I like the idea of 2-4 but dear god, I can stand circus shenanigans way better than steel samurai.
Everyone hates 2-3
@@diogoalmeida4293 Everyone except for Jaxsterminator
you know the case is sickening when the judge tells the witness to quit his shits and giggles
Honestly, seeing the judge going off on him was hype as hell.
I can hear gumshoe in my head when he hears those beeps
“WHERE IS SHE? OH GOD, OH GOD, GOD PLEASE IM BEGGING YOU”
That noise triggers a fight or flight response in him
Hearing RT say Franchili con Carne while almost in tears is my favourite thing in this world ever
Turnabout Big Top biggest quality is that after you finish it, you're rewarded with the 2nd best case in the whole franchise (imo, as 3-5 is my favorite lol)
i feel like while 3-5 is the best in the trilogy, 2-4 is the best standalone case in the trilogy, and the best standalone case of any of the phoenix wright games imo (haven't played/seen any of the great ace attorney games so idk about them)
Exactly, 2-4 is one of the best cases, with 3-5 as the greatest of them all.
3-5 is the best, but hey at least 2-4 is amazing. It was my favorite before I played all of T&T.
@@chrishawkins963 great ace attorney is all connected. There's no single "standalone" case.
The first best case is Big Top. I’m not even joking. It’s perfect.
I know this case is generally regarded as the worst case in the series, and for very valid reasons, but I personally really like it. It's super unique with the idea that none of the characters are likeable (except Moe near the end) and it's the first example of the defense having to defend someone who's not a good person (Larry may be annoying but his heart is usually in the right place).
WARNING: People are talking about spoliers in the comments
*best
EVERY CHARACTER IS LIKEABLE
the next case did the whole "defending someone whos a piece of shit" concept a hell of a lot better.
i mean, the defending someone who isn’t a good person comes up again in the final case, so i personally find that redundant, but i am a big fan of the idea ofhaving no likeable characters in a case
@@Regen_ oh I absolutely agree
Sick
I like the contrast between the batshit insane plot and annoying characters and then (SPOILERS) Acro and his story. Like Jesus Christ we went from funny haha clown joke bad to "My brother was put into a coma 6 months ago, during the same incident in which I was paralyzed from the waist down. The person who I felt was responsible had such a naïve view of the world it made me feel like my brother's (metaphorical) death was just a joke to them, adding salt to the wound. I contemplated killing myself but my brother was still technically alive and it kept me going, I came up with a twisted justification for killing the person and tried to, but in a tragic turn of events I ended up accidentally killing the man I could never repay for his kindness in taking me in and raising me when my parents abandoned me as a child." It's a perfectly tragic story and one of only a few cases that I can think of where you can actually kind of sympathize for the killer. It's just a shame that the writer had a little too much to drink (literally) and everything else kinda sucks.
I think Acro is my favorite murderer in the series
thisssssss
Moe is a love-him-or-hate-him character, but making him constantly laugh even when visibly depressed didn't help.
Yeah, I really don't hate Moe as much as I thought I would. He's annoying but he's dedicated to his craft.
his sprites do NOT help me like him bc i swear he talks about how regina cant process the death of her father without making it seem whimsical while laughing???
Even as a Moe fan myself... yeah.
I will say, of the circus performers, he’s not the worst
For anyone who didn't watch the stream: I cannot stress enough that no matter how frustrated RT seemed in this video, it was actually far worse.
fun fact: the chat was filled the different version von karma and daniel was laughing very hard
him just being like “hngncff he’s got it under his chair” jokingly and then
Everybody grows to like the judge despite his incompetence, he's just a fun character
Forget Kang or the Scarlet Witch, Manfred von Karma is truly a multiversal threat.
Avengers level threat.
Acro is still the only likeable character this case, one of the few killers I feel sorry for.
Umm, Moe? Ben? MAX!? THOSE ARE EXTREMELY LIKABLE CHARACTERS!!
@@jaxsterminator8634 Just like you are also a very likeable commentator?
I don't think so.
@@slanderthesnake3525 EVERYTHING IS PERFECT ABOUT THE CASE THERES NOTHING TO REDEEM
@@jaxsterminator8634 please say you're being sarcastic
@@jaxsterminator8634 Can't you like, do something important with your life?
Phoenix is becoming a prosecutor slowly during this case
He always was. In almost every single case, he ends up indicting and prosecuting the real culprit. Defense attorney my ass
@@lizardperson780 Lol yeah. Phoenix is a prosecutor. His arguments just happen to always defend his client. Most of the time the Prosecuters are actually the one defending(When Phoenix finally finds the witness who did it, it's like the jobs do a complete 180).
@@failingeverything5793 Of course, he is a prosecutor in regards to what he actually does during a case, but the effect is that he is an effective defendant, since no one he "prosecutes" gets convicted until a later trial where a prosecutor just does what Phoenix did again.
@@dig8634 it's a little scary to think that there's a non-zero chance that there's probably someone Phoenix has accused that the prosecutor who actually handled that person's case fucked up and now they're out of all of this
So I'm not the only one who feels this way!! I know he basically prosecutes someone at every case, but here it's especially apparent, with him first deciding to pin the murder on someone and only then trying to look for clues that the person did it
Ok, that Von Karma chain was brilliant. I don't think I've laughed like that in at least a month.
Time stamp? I need it.
@@Mystery-Wolf I think it starts around 53:00, he starts getting into character around there.
@@MidnightCapricorn2696 I found it. Thanks anyways. Love this moment
if moe is ever a victim of a future case RT himself is a pretty good suspect
"A clown, one Mr. Moe Problems was found dead earlier from a combination of blunt force trauma from a red turtle shell to the head and had marks on his back that almost looked like someone had drifted a go-kart over the body post-mortem. We also found a crown, an Irish flag and an English degree nearby"
@@TheHutchy01Witnesses could hear a man screaming something about a “Drift King”
@@onionninja5554 The body was found next to the Dublin Spire, which had a note stabbed into the ground with a shard of a red Koopa shell.
Trilo is a ghost possessing a puppet, and due to Trilo being the puppet he needs a host to speak or do actions.
With out a host Trilo is stuck lifeless, left only to ponder thoughts in his head.
This is just my theory of course
Makes sense, but whose ghost is it? Some other circus performer from the past?
@@attackofthedoggan6471
SO YOU SEE.. IT WAS I WHO POSSES THE PUPPET!!!!
do you think he’s currently possessed by bat
I've been watching RT for a long time, and he is a class act all around, but without a doubt the Von Karma running gag is the funniest part of his content
The fact that Moe quotes the A Team intro when hit and the fact that this has become a copypasta in the chat of Vinesauce Joel is just funny to me
The von karma meme is my favourite running gag on this channel.
There’s something so funny about the sentence “I just took 57 consecutive pay cuts”
Since so many people want to marry Regina in this case, I thought I’d let everyone know that Regina’s canonical age is *16*
Someone call Chris hansen
Fun fact, the age of consent in Japan is 13 I believe.( Germany is 14 btw)
@@mahapatrasohamm ew
@@mahapatrasohammthe thing about the age of consent is that is it supposed to be used with OTHER TEENS who have like a 1-2 year difference between them. Not creepy 30 year olds who want to have sex with teenagers.
@@mahapatrasohammThat was never really true, and is even less true now than when you first heard it.
Yes, the federal/national age consent in Japan used to be 13, but every prefecture has their own additional laws to push it higher. For example, the effective age of consent in Tokyo is 18, though other locations can go as low as 16 or as high as 20.
The federal/national age of consent also isn't even 13 anymore, as they raised it to 16 last June.
Fear not RT, in the anime, the cloak was actually intentionally ATTACHED to the bust and didn't just magically snag onto it
which actually does make some sense compared to this mess of a case
i watched the anime before a full playthrough of the games, and i honestly really liked this case because it was honestly really good on the anime version
i guess that it just doesn't work in gameplay form, as evident by this absolute trainwreck of a case
@@davebob8506 yeah, could be since they did remove some of the worst parts from the anime adaptation, like the whole love triangle thing
@@tigera5941 the what??????
@@davebob8506 the plot with Ben and Max wanting to get with Regina? Pretty sure they cut that out from the anime adaptation since it was too controversial
@@tigera5941 Well yeah of course it was. Max 21, Bat is 22 and Ben is 31. She's 16. the anime adaptation isn't perfect but i'm glad they recognised that the love triangle was rightfully extremely gross and was cut. the only bit that's mentioned is the ring and how trilo was waiting to give it to her, everything else is cut completely.
Anyone else notice that the clown is a reference to the Three Stooges?
His name is Lawrence Curls & nicknamed Moe
In other words Larry, Curly, & Moe.
i think everyone did, man
@@jammer523691aj not everyone knows about the Three Stooges.
I'm actually disappointed that Acro's name wasn't a reference to Wile E Coyote
@@jammer523691aj I didn't notice that until watching this series, actually. I figured his name was just meant to complete the Ini Mimi Miney joke.
RT foreshadowed so much. I'm not sure if that's a testament to his powers of deduction or how terrible this case is.
58:35 FINALLY, DAMON GANT RECOGNITION FROM DANIEL! This makes me so happy!
I am dying at the Von Karma alerts. Actually painful in chest area and throat from laughing too hard and trying to keep it quiet at night.
"For you see, it was I that asphyxiated the viewer Mr. Phoenix Wright!"
I love the pause at the end from shock and the excitement in his voice at seeing Miles.
Edgeworth to Moe: "You are not a clown, you're the entire circus"
Man he must have loved this case
only took around 10 hours too, so short
Definitely, I sure did. Lol
I was watching the super long stream and praying he doesnt just quit....
I think one of the worst things about it is the penalties you get if you press Moe on the wrong part of the testimony, at this point both the first and this game has encouraged you to press every statement to make sure you get the right info but suddenly the game doesn't want you to do that and punishes you if you do.
@@AlmightySmorg It’s called a TWIST
No lie. Moe is actually my favorite character from this trial. Outside of Acro, and despite his jokes, Moe feels like the only one who is actually taking it seriously.
I feel like this case could have been one of the best in the entire series if not for just missed potential and bad writing.
The premise of everyone being mourning and wracked with grief for their loved ones within in the circus and doing horrific things because of that is actually amazing, it would be a great basis for using a real life problem many people struggle with, grief, as an anchor for the entire case.
Furthermore, I feel like they really missed something with Von Karma's purpose in defeating Wright being to bring back Edgeworth. *And this is something that really irks me.*
Seriously: I was watching this episode imagining that at the end there'd be a super dramatic point where Fransziska just snaps and starts screaming about bringing Miles back, which in turn makes Wright snap and go on a rant to her face about how she's not the only one who misses him and just telling her "Edgeworth is dead, Fransziska. Nothing you or I do can bring him back". All in court of course so the Judge can even hop in. But no. We get nothing. Just the twist of Edgeworth not being dead.
They had so many opportunities to turn this around and make it undisputably the best case (so far). Instead they decided they'd drop all of that for a clown and a puppet.
THE WRITING IS PERFECT THE CASE ITSELF IS PERFECT ITS THE BEST CASE IN THE FRANCHISE
YES OH MY GOD phoenix and franziska having a confrontation in court would literally have been perfect. it would have shown franziska’s caring side AND would give us more backstory into her and miles’ relationship while under von karma’s roof, not to mention that it would have brought phoenix and franziska closer and the player would have more sympathy for her. in addition, it would have shown how much phoenix truly cares about miles and would have made it more angsty for both franziska and phoenix when they find out he’s not actually dead.
it would have also been a great parallel to the case, as they both involve a family grieving the loss of a loved one.
anyway i’m sure there’s a fanfic of this somewhere lmao
Like, instead of a witness breakdown you could have a prosecutor breakdown
The dlc case for dual destinies is literally turnabout bigtop if turnabout bigtop was actually good
this is literally my first time experiencing this series and im pissed this isnt actually what happened. that sounds really interesting, phoenix and franziska fighting about how to deal with edgeworths death
Worst part of the case is the fact that it could’ve been great. The concept of an entire group trying to recover from their beloved boss’s death sounds perfect.
Too bad most of the characters suck (except Regina she was actually pretty interesting).
There is no worst part, it’s a perfect case
THE CHARACTERS ARE THE BEST
@@jaxsterminator8634 lol nah
@@jaxsterminator8634 We all have a right to make errors and be wrong on some statements.
You however, are abusing that power.
@@bilingualistic8514 ITS NOT AN ERROR IM NEVER WRONG IM ALWAYS RIGHT EVERYTHING I SAY IS FACT INCLUDING BIG TOP BEING THE BEST CASE IN THE FRANCHISE