"That wasnt the best one though" "If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing." - Chuck Yeager I believe something along these lines applies.
Great job keeping your composure. The rocks sure made that a bad place to risk a long slide. Glad you got under control before it got out of control. Love that Venom ice axe.
I got 2 Venoms (one adze, one hammer) and a bunch of replacement picks (when they were on clearance for $10 a piece). Will never want or need another general mountaineering axe ever again!
@@LiquidShadow64 I watched Conrad Anker use venoms to climb vertical ice in the documentary, Meru. Sometimes vertical ices tools are just too short for an approach. I was glad to see Conrad using what I consider the best "All Around" axe for one of the most inspiring climbs ever.
@@icejunki Yes I remember that part in Meru! Yes it's definitely reassuring to have a industry giant endorsing the Venom. I free soloed Dreamweaver Couloir on Mt. Meeker years ago using the Venoms. They were more than adequate getting me past the ice crux. ua-cam.com/video/aQnYUXJF0LI/v-deo.html
wow - close one - As a back chair viewer its easy to say "why were you not wearing crampons!" but it doesnt look like alot of ice/snow is present in that season
I went on a hike and the top of the mountain had some snow on it still. I was crossing this massive bowl. The path cut through the snow and I had to be so careful crossing because if I'd fallen it would have been like this video without the arrest.
Here I am in the wee morning hours wondering where the chains are which by law I must carry if I am going to hit the mountains, which have had the best snowfall in years. Otherwise got everything - skis, various footgear...oh yeah - almost forgot about bringing my ice axe...never know when conditions may require. Incidentally, I am one of those lucky people who got to hire the Whittaker brothers, not on Rainer but for lessons in self-arrest, snow climbing, etc. Have not yet fallen into a crevasse but good to know that I know how. As for this slush on Arapahoe, lucky for Owen it was not so slushy that his axe would have just slid through like a hot knife in butter. Snow that soft would probably not 'snap his ankles' if he snagged a front point of his crampon but good chance they would have been annoying with wads of snow balling underneath his boots. Alternatively, a few hours later it might have frozen up to the point that the axe would have just ping ponged off the ice with little effective braking. In which case we would not be here sharing our pearls of wisdom on Yuotube lol. The whole point of risk sport imho is that each alternative carries its own set of risks, like a chess grandmaster you calculate your options and the go for it. The hazard that kills you might have been the best alternative in a dicey situation, but if it is just your luck that icycle broke off at that moment, or the avalanche decided to cut loose, or that chunk of granite chose the wrong time to crack your nice climbing helmet, you might experience a bit of buyers' remorse in your last minutes. But you play the cards you are dealt, and it is all one big game in the universal simulation or multiverse or whatever so might as well enjoy the ride. OK so back to learning all about everything on the internet. And now it looks like I will be buying an extra set of chains today, nice visiting here. Very nice thread despite the rather heated debate. Note: I would rather die tomahawking down a couloir than langushing on an isolation ward with my lungs on fire and a ventilator tube down my trachea but to each their own. Enjoy the shuffleboard and bingo, ladies and gentlemen. I'm headed for the steep and the deep!
Its hard to say if crampons would of made a difference. I would say yes. But at the same time, if you're not super disciplined and you panic mid slide and dont remember to keep your feet up and knees down, you're pretty screwed. I remember when i did Pico de Orizaba in Mexico, the glacier going up was pointed ice/snow, i certainly wouldn't wanna have to of self arrested on that.
Generally, snow is much more dangerous to traverse than scree, so a slope angle that you'll lose control with snow will usually be fine if that snow is gone. If it's too steep for snow, well, you have a cliff and then you have other problems.
crampons. i know it's a gopro and it's steeper than it looks. good job but make sure you learn from this. microspikes at the least, and honestly you should be in crampons with that kind of exposure.
Probably a stupid question coming from a beginner at climbing why wouldn't he stick to the rocks when descending? Wouldn't that be much safer than a snow descent?
Not a stupid question at all. In this case it was MUCH safer and easier to descend on snow. I was downclimbing on rocks prior to this snow part and routefinding was extremely tedious and mentally exhausting. All class 4-5 rocks that were slippery from the melting snow. It was very easy to get cliffed out. If you have a fall on snow, you can self arrest. If you fall on rocks......good luck lol
@@TheSubieFan This was 40 degrees max. I had crampons on the ascent. Took them off on the way down because I was scrambling on the rocks for a lot of it. Didn't feel like putting them back on.
Without prober use of an ice axe, you'll most likely risk turning violently around your legs, suddenly fixed in the snow. Probably breaking a leg ... Ice axe and crampons are mandatory in such conditions, the extra weight is long outweighed by the chance of avoiding/surviving this sort of dangerous experiences...
Good job but then you should not have taken your hands off of that axe. You could have easily started sliding again then you would have been SOL. Don't take on inclines like that without a partner that you are attached to. If you play stupid games eventually you will win stupid prizes. The mountain always wins. I've worked on the mountain in Colorado and witnessed tragedies of people doing far less dumb things than this. Why anybody would take their hands off an axe after they almost died died blows my mind. I don't want to use the term Darwinism but you have to admit that was not a smart move. It was your only lifeline.I hope this experience has taught you a valuable lesson.
@@DoltonI "I don't see how this is fun" Go on a little day hike, nothing dangerous. Hiking is for everyone and its really quite inexpensive to get started with. Good pair of shoes, backpack and a water bottle will do a lot of beginner hikes and most intermediate hikes. People dont just start out with giant mountains, they find themselves up there after hundreds of smaller hikes.
@@JarthenGreenmeadow I appreciate the kind advice, but I don't enjoy these specific types of activities--I don't see the point. I suppose some people only feel alive when mortal danger is present. And of those, only enjoy it in a specific way. Cave divers, for instance. Their deaths are a horrid way to go out; drowning in pitch black waters, disoriented, alone, desperate to find the way back. And yet, despite this, the practice continues. They could do the same thing by scuba diving, which is arguably safer. But that's not what they're looking for. I'm not sure how much of the "death stimulation" comprises hiking but I know it's there. That's what the challenge is: not falling off and dying, or dying from exhuastion, or getting buried by an avalanche, etc. It seems backwards to me. If you need to put yourself in mortal danger in order to live, are you really living?
"That wasnt the best one though"
"If you can walk away from a landing, it's a good landing. If you use the airplane the next day, it's an outstanding landing." - Chuck Yeager
I believe something along these lines applies.
Great job keeping your composure. The rocks sure made that a bad place to risk a long slide. Glad you got under control before it got out of control. Love that Venom ice axe.
I got 2 Venoms (one adze, one hammer) and a bunch of replacement picks (when they were on clearance for $10 a piece). Will never want or need another general mountaineering axe ever again!
@@LiquidShadow64 I watched Conrad Anker use venoms to climb vertical ice in the documentary, Meru. Sometimes vertical ices tools are just too short for an approach. I was glad to see Conrad using what I consider the best "All Around" axe for one of the most inspiring climbs ever.
@@icejunki Yes I remember that part in Meru! Yes it's definitely reassuring to have a industry giant endorsing the Venom. I free soloed Dreamweaver Couloir on Mt. Meeker years ago using the Venoms. They were more than adequate getting me past the ice crux. ua-cam.com/video/aQnYUXJF0LI/v-deo.html
@@LiquidShadow64 I checked out your video. Can get enough of the sorry of tools swing. Haha.
I was having trouble using the restroom this morning. Thank you!!!
Sometimes good enough is good enough my friend. Glad you’re ok!
A perfect self arrest is one that stops you. nice.
Haha practicing self-arrest ahead of time definitely helps and I knew the chance of slipping was pretty high judging by the snow quality.
I'm curious, how do you practice that and where??
@@niks.7299 Practice on a mellow slope. Fall in different orientations (facing up, down, head downhill, head uphill).
Where is this mountain at?
@@rooute6665 South Arapaho Peak, part of the Indian Peaks Wilderness in the front range of Colorado.
Looks like fun I’m happy to be home watching you
My heart rate went up when you started sliding.
Ant THAT lady’s and gentlemen is how to not die
wow - close one - As a back chair viewer its easy to say "why were you not wearing crampons!" but it doesnt look like alot of ice/snow is present in that season
Glad you're safe!
Bravo. Calma e sangue freddo. Hai salvato la pelle!👍💪🙏
That's some tightwire shit
Nice job.
Knees on snow, face down, and toes kick down.
Just noticed this vid is 8-years old. Very nice. That snow looks sketchy
That got the old heart pumping
Good technique, including grabbing the shaft to cover the spike.
Been there man. Snow sledding with the kids. Almost slid down 50 feet!
PUT ON THE CRAMPONS TOO.
I caught myself committing a crime. So I practiced self arrest.
Ba-dum-tsssss
Lmao!
Good stuff!
Damn this reminded me of that MW3 mission
I went on a hike and the top of the mountain had some snow on it still. I was crossing this massive bowl. The path cut through the snow and I had to be so careful crossing because if I'd fallen it would have been like this video without the arrest.
Here I am in the wee morning hours wondering where the chains are which by law I must carry if I am going to hit the mountains, which have had the best snowfall in years. Otherwise got everything - skis, various footgear...oh yeah - almost forgot about bringing my ice axe...never know when conditions may require.
Incidentally, I am one of those lucky people who got to hire the Whittaker brothers, not on Rainer but for lessons in self-arrest, snow climbing, etc. Have not yet fallen into a crevasse but good to know that I know how.
As for this slush on Arapahoe, lucky for Owen it was not so slushy that his axe would have just slid through like a hot knife in butter. Snow that soft would probably not 'snap his ankles' if he snagged a front point of his crampon but good chance they would have been annoying with wads of snow balling underneath his boots. Alternatively, a few hours later it might have frozen up to the point that the axe would have just ping ponged off the ice with little effective braking. In which case we would not be here sharing our pearls of wisdom on Yuotube lol.
The whole point of risk sport imho is that each alternative carries its own set of risks, like a chess grandmaster you calculate your options and the go for it. The hazard that kills you might have been the best alternative in a dicey situation, but if it is just your luck that icycle broke off at that moment, or the avalanche decided to cut loose, or that chunk of granite chose the wrong time to crack your nice climbing helmet, you might experience a bit of buyers' remorse in your last minutes. But you play the cards you are dealt, and it is all one big game in the universal simulation or multiverse or whatever so might as well enjoy the ride.
OK so back to learning all about everything on the internet. And now it looks like I will be buying an extra set of chains today, nice visiting here. Very nice thread despite the rather heated debate.
Note: I would rather die tomahawking down a couloir than langushing on an isolation ward with my lungs on fire and a ventilator tube down my trachea but to each their own. Enjoy the shuffleboard and bingo, ladies and gentlemen. I'm headed for the steep and the deep!
Think crampons or spikes would have helped to limit the chance of slipping in the first place?
bro was trying to take a shortcut
Its hard to say if crampons would of made a difference. I would say yes. But at the same time, if you're not super disciplined and you panic mid slide and dont remember to keep your feet up and knees down, you're pretty screwed. I remember when i did Pico de Orizaba in Mexico, the glacier going up was pointed ice/snow, i certainly wouldn't wanna have to of self arrested on that.
That was a close one.
The best self arrest are ones that save you. So it was actually the best self arrest.
I find it hard to imagine anyone being up there that hasn't practiced self arrests.
At first, it looks like you’re on parallel ground…then the camera tilts and holy fuck that is steep
How the hell you guys don't loose grip on that tool?
I know this video Is old, Mad respect for surviving but what was the plan if this hadn't happened in snow?
Generally, snow is much more dangerous to traverse than scree, so a slope angle that you'll lose control with snow will usually be fine if that snow is gone. If it's too steep for snow, well, you have a cliff and then you have other problems.
Is that as steep as it looked on camera damn near looked like a vertical drop
Haha not even close. 40 degrees max.
Why did you stop?! Glissade, bro!!
Too steep for glissading. Picked up speed way too fast, hard to stay in control.
Lmao, glissade what looks like a 50 degree angle. You can for a while before you die, sure.
I don't get it did he go to jail or?
arapaho basin....is this in Colorado?
Arapahoe Basin is the ski area and that is in Colorado. This is South Arapaho Peak, different thing but also in Colorado.
@@LiquidShadow64 Thank you Owen- went to school in Boulder and thought i recognized the name- its been almost 30 years now
"well Thank God I practiced self arrest." About 40 seconds later "well....thank God I practiced self arrest." ...etc until he gets to the bottom.
Columbo arrested a lot of people himself too. Sometimes at least one a week. Sometimes even the same guy in different seasons!! Crazy days!!
Just because stupid shit crosses your mind, doesn’t mean you should post it.
@@fredjennings5312 Then why do it?
Badass
What about crampons?
Why don’t you have crampons?
Uhhh no thanks I'm higher sitting on my couch puffing on this cherry pie.
crampons. i know it's a gopro and it's steeper than it looks. good job but make sure you learn from this. microspikes at the least, and honestly you should be in crampons with that kind of exposure.
Probably a stupid question coming from a beginner at climbing why wouldn't he stick to the rocks when descending? Wouldn't that be much safer than a snow descent?
Not a stupid question at all. In this case it was MUCH safer and easier to descend on snow. I was downclimbing on rocks prior to this snow part and routefinding was extremely tedious and mentally exhausting. All class 4-5 rocks that were slippery from the melting snow. It was very easy to get cliffed out.
If you have a fall on snow, you can self arrest. If you fall on rocks......good luck lol
Camera does no justice
On your behalf, I just sh*t my pants.
you're supposed to lean with your weight onto the iceaxe, no hold it out like scraper. The iceaxe should go across your chest.
weeeeeee
Need antislip pants
I wanna get into this
Falling?
@@lovesick_sounds climbing
Step 1: Starting doing it. There is no step 2! 😆
@@LiquidShadow64 you’re right and I will. Just super busy right now but hopefully in a couple months I can start. I live in a pretty big climbing area
@@rinse3x Right on man. I'm super busy now myself compared to 8 years ago when this video was shot so I get it. Don't have as much time to get out.
Was he not wearing crampons?
That is correct.
@@LiquidShadow64 alright ice axe but no crampons weird choice I guess on a 50° snow chute.
@@TheSubieFan This was 40 degrees max. I had crampons on the ascent. Took them off on the way down because I was scrambling on the rocks for a lot of it. Didn't feel like putting them back on.
@@LiquidShadow64 Still responding 9 years later? Thats respect dude :)
@@bobbrown4212 lol I'm still alive so why not.
Is that Skywalker?
Nope this is the gully to the east of Skywalker. I ascended Skywalker and took this gully down, by accident. Wanted to come down the standard route...
damn that is scary, I had to do that once myself. luckily you were not wearing crampons.....
Well he wouldn’t have slipped if he had crampons on.
@@TheLawnWrangler Not necessarily. The snow was really wet. Could've easily balled under the crampons.
@@LiquidShadow64 thats what anti balling plates are for
@@zatharigo7815 and we all know how well those work with wet sticky snow ^^
I only do self arrest if what I did was really really bad
I was taught to face the snow, stick my helmet into it, and kick my feet in. Yet I don't see people doing that on UA-cam
Without prober use of an ice axe, you'll most likely risk turning violently around your legs, suddenly fixed in the snow.
Probably breaking a leg ...
Ice axe and crampons are mandatory in such conditions, the extra weight is long outweighed by the chance of avoiding/surviving this sort of dangerous experiences...
and I thougth it was for littering
lucky that snowball snow or else, away u would go
next time slam the axe into the snow harder....stop you in a milisecond
Crampons....😏
tf would there be to practice? Would you did should be every normal humans instinct
Good job but then you should not have taken your hands off of that axe. You could have easily started sliding again then you would have been SOL. Don't take on inclines like that without a partner that you are attached to. If you play stupid games eventually you will win stupid prizes. The mountain always wins. I've worked on the mountain in Colorado and witnessed tragedies of people doing far less dumb things than this. Why anybody would take their hands off an axe after they almost died died blows my mind. I don't want to use the term Darwinism but you have to admit that was not a smart move. It was your only lifeline.I hope this experience has taught you a valuable lesson.
Staged.
Better do self arrest in safety
Why do people do that?? What do gain? The view? A treasure? Self challenging? Proving bravery and strength? Solelity?
Adventure, adrenaline, etc. Some would rather die in an old folks home, I'd rather die doing something fun.
@@uncleblueberries77 I don't see how this is fun, but to each their own.
The view? A treasure? Self challenging? Proving bravery and strength? Serenity?
I mean yea. Is there a better reason to do something?
@@DoltonI "I don't see how this is fun"
Go on a little day hike, nothing dangerous. Hiking is for everyone and its really quite inexpensive to get started with. Good pair of shoes, backpack and a water bottle will do a lot of beginner hikes and most intermediate hikes.
People dont just start out with giant mountains, they find themselves up there after hundreds of smaller hikes.
@@JarthenGreenmeadow I appreciate the kind advice, but I don't enjoy these specific types of activities--I don't see the point.
I suppose some people only feel alive when mortal danger is present. And of those, only enjoy it in a specific way. Cave divers, for instance. Their deaths are a horrid way to go out; drowning in pitch black waters, disoriented, alone, desperate to find the way back. And yet, despite this, the practice continues. They could do the same thing by scuba diving, which is arguably safer. But that's not what they're looking for.
I'm not sure how much of the "death stimulation" comprises hiking but I know it's there. That's what the challenge is: not falling off and dying, or dying from exhuastion, or getting buried by an avalanche, etc.
It seems backwards to me. If you need to put yourself in mortal danger in order to live, are you really living?
Better still, don’t go there in the first place.
wrapy yourself in a bubble and pray
Its not really that dangerous if you are careful. Notice that this was 9 years ago and the poster still responds to this day?
Fake