The thing is that Samurai feel insecure, they want to be THE MOST UNIQUE unit in the game, thus they have bonus (fights ferociously) against any other unit that identifies himself as unique.
To be fair the Persians really spanked the Persians. Love how every other unit was being slaughtered and Savars still have half left until Persian elephants showed up.
+3 vs archers, in addition to +2 team bonus vs archers. Longbowmen die in 2 hits, imperial skirmishers die in 3 hits. They're like a better version of Tarkans.
cataphract are still fearsome, they are just meant for different role. They destroy all infantries and camels while Savar suffer badly against the same counter units.
@@DibbzTheLoner they are an ancient unit fighting medieval ones. It makes sense tho. Still roman cataphracts deserve a better representation. Did you know that they were both archer and spear cavalry? Truly an elite unit
Good thing Persians don't get Bracer, or they would be completely over-the-top at this point. (If you don't get that joke, you probably haven't seen Spirit of the Law's old Persians overview.)
@@EagleTopGaming If I counted right, it's 15 Centurions vs 18 or 19 Savars. Seems like a classical case of Lancaster's law, where a small number advantage snowballs over the course of a fight. The Centurion has slightly better stats, but only marginally, so having 3-4 more units is way more effective. The Savar also has a slightly faster attack speed at 1.8 compared to the Centurions 1.9.
Centurions are good as stand alone cavalry and as a buffer for the legionaries…..cents are designed for limited use more cause are more expensive but have more uses then other heavy cav in my opinion thats why are more expensive
persian rework "revived" 1 heroes unit (savar who got replaced by sogdian cataphract on india updates) as unique upgrade and 1 UT (boiling oil revived as citadel)
I don't care if people say this was an unnecessary and pointless change, I still fucking love that they went for it. War Elephants are hard to use well in online matches, so giving the Persian Paladin a reskin helps give the civ more aesthetic uniqueness.
Would be nice to get more Paladin replacements, the Paladin's aesthetic is so out of place in most civilisations in the game, the Paladin would fit much better as a Frank unique unit rather than a generic one.
@@DibbzTheLoner Agree, civs like cuman need their own variation of paladin. I would love to give Frank the Frankish paladins and Teuton the Crusader knight as replacement for the generic paladins. These 2 units exist in the campaigns.
@@MrDibara True, this is actually a very good change. More unique upgrade to the generic line would be great, like Frankish paladins for Frank and Crusader knight for teuton.
i'm going on a limp here as i'm just on the chu ko nu, but Japanese samurai due to their bonus against unique unit, all the anti-cavalry unique unit and the viking berserker(if with the chieftain tech) that might give the savar a better match up(thats on top of my head)
From maths ye 1. Die on 5 hits from halberdiers same as Generic FU Paladin 2. Upgrade cost -300F -150G 3. Can take extra 23shots from arbalesters 4. In melee fight Against other generic paladin they are equal so first hits first win
@@budwyzer77 They are still slightly worse against halbs, since in most encounters you aren't going to have pure halbs vs full HP Paladins/Savars every single time. With some damage already applied, there would be cases where Paladin won thanks to having more HP -- not including cases of Paladins that are better than generic Paladins.
Depends on which ones, but personally I'd place them as the 3rd best "Paladin" behind Franks and Teutons, maybe occasionally 4 behind Lithuanians if you get 3+ Relics or 5 behind Cumans if speed really matters, which it seldom does. Aside from that, you are better than any unique Cavalier and not FU Paladins, and at least on par with generic FU Paladins in most cases. You die in the same amount of hits against Halbs and Camels and take 23 additional Arb shots, have +5 Attack against archers, a cheaper upgrade, retain the 1.8 Attack speed from knights and generate gold while killing enemy military units. The new Persian Eco also seems pretty nutty, so there's that.
it's not much of a bonus compared to the high base attack, only makes a difference of 1 less hit to kill if even that, and being more tuned towards anti-archer than the Paladin is literally what the Savar's niche is supposed to be in the first place. Take that away and it's basically just a reskinned Paladin.
I know this will sound kind of toxic, but I have to ask... how long have you been playing AoEII? Are you worried about maybe being a little pay piggie for Microsoft? All I'm saying is, this game had a dedicated fanbase for 20+ years who just loved the game, but I'm not sure it'll survive more than a couple more with "support" from the company reformatting it into a live service model.
@@ByTheLake81 Yeah, you are toxic so I'm not even going to dignify your response with any answers to your questions. You are probably one of those people who flame people in game chat too.
@@ew6546I really don't even play MP at all; just campaign/co-op. I'm generally a super-polite, critical thinker. This isn't flame, it's just the only way to engage with someone saying "don't think just buy" about a game with this much legacy. Don't take it personally, I don't need your answers.
@@ByTheLake81 Except the words "don't think just buy" were merely a figment of your imagination. Being upset about new civs while not being into MP is the most ridiculous position to take.
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16:26 The last persian savar completely traumatized after watching all of his friends die to explosive flaming camels 💀
I love the design of savar. 🙌🏻 Need to replay Bukhara scenario soon. ^^
Sassanid style 👀 i liked
we are going to have a new campaign for the Persians in the new DLC.
Yup
Shawarma style
@@anti-h2894no bro , they are not arabs lol
Samurai always ask before the fight - "are you Unique?"
Teutonic Knight and Cataphract: And you think this gives you power over us?
Sav aru nique ? Sam ur unik ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I'm so funny 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11
The thing is that Samurai feel insecure, they want to be THE MOST UNIQUE unit in the game, thus they have bonus (fights ferociously) against any other unit that identifies himself as unique.
@@georgeprchal3924well samurai is better than Teutonic knights
@@widodoakrom3938 in what regard? Faster yes but not head-to-head. Maybe economically.
To be fair the Persians really spanked the Persians.
Love how every other unit was being slaughtered and Savars still have half left until Persian elephants showed up.
Savaran cataphracts were total powerhouses. Roman clibinarii were the only heavy cavalry on equal footing
Were savaran cataphracts part of the persian army?@@thessop9439
Why do you lie? The missionaries wiped the floor with them way better than the elephants.
@@benedictjajo Boyars spanked Savars
Teutonic Knight, “Another bites the dust…”
Hell ya!
The savar looks so beautiful
He got the Sassanian drip
He looks like armor on a horse
+3 vs archers, in addition to +2 team bonus vs archers. Longbowmen die in 2 hits, imperial skirmishers die in 3 hits.
They're like a better version of Tarkans.
Yup they also look cool
I mean, they are basically a paladin for persians and paladins do beat tarkans
Tarkans aren't really an anti-archer unit, they're an anti-building unit that happens to be decent against archer. Comparing them is silly.
@@DibbzTheLoner comparing a cavarly uinit whith a cavarly uinit is silly thats the point to see the difrences and similaritied
But tarkan has bonus damage against building
How beautiful the unit is...
Viper & Hera do play. Spirit Of The Law review in detail.
HP vs Armour.
Between Kamandaran or Gold-Generating 5g/military unit.
Cataphracts once was a fearsome unit...once...
cataphract are still fearsome, they are just meant for different role. They destroy all infantries and camels while Savar suffer badly against the same counter units.
@@TheBikeOnTheMoonbyzantines should be reworked. Clibanarii and varangian guard pls
Cataphracts are literally an anti-infantry unit, if they were beating other heavy cavalry that'd be a problem.
@@DibbzTheLoner they are an ancient unit fighting medieval ones. It makes sense tho. Still roman cataphracts deserve a better representation. Did you know that they were both archer and spear cavalry? Truly an elite unit
They're still fearsome unit
Good thing Persians don't get Bracer, or they would be completely over-the-top at this point.
(If you don't get that joke, you probably haven't seen Spirit of the Law's old Persians overview.)
Civilization lacking bracer...
Spirit of the law: So, you have chosen death
It surprised me how well they did vs Genoese Crossbowmen
All archers underperform in such tests because they don't try to kite nor otherwise micro.
True
@@TovKafur micro won't be significant bcs they're an archer not cavalry archer
Noob
The Vikings and mounted Priests surprised me
Viking has chieftain so it is often an overlooked match up.
Persians don't have Heresy. So ones the Missionaries converted some of the Savars, the rest would focus on fighting the converted ones
Nobody expects the spanish Inquisition
The Centurion really surprised me. It has better stats on paper but comes out behind. Slower attack? Less overall attack after their charge attack?
outnumbered by 3, it does snowball
How many are on each side? They are not outnumbered by 3. But are there more Savars?@@qwerasdf-oy6uo
@@EagleTopGaming If I counted right, it's 15 Centurions vs 18 or 19 Savars. Seems like a classical case of Lancaster's law, where a small number advantage snowballs over the course of a fight. The Centurion has slightly better stats, but only marginally, so having 3-4 more units is way more effective. The Savar also has a slightly faster attack speed at 1.8 compared to the Centurions 1.9.
Centurions are good as stand alone cavalry and as a buffer for the legionaries…..cents are designed for limited use more cause are more expensive but have more uses then other heavy cav in my opinion thats why are more expensive
savar attacks faster thats why it wins from most cavalry units
Urumi swordsmen op confirmed. Your move, hera.
persian rework
"revived" 1 heroes unit (savar who got replaced by sogdian cataphract on india updates) as unique upgrade and 1 UT (boiling oil revived as citadel)
never noticed the like subscribe on the map before, very smart very smart
definitely the best looking unit the game imo, even better than paladin.
I don't care if people say this was an unnecessary and pointless change, I still fucking love that they went for it. War Elephants are hard to use well in online matches, so giving the Persian Paladin a reskin helps give the civ more aesthetic uniqueness.
I wish they have unique skins for high end units for every civilization
Would be nice to get more Paladin replacements, the Paladin's aesthetic is so out of place in most civilisations in the game, the Paladin would fit much better as a Frank unique unit rather than a generic one.
@@DibbzTheLoner Agree, civs like cuman need their own variation of paladin. I would love to give Frank the Frankish paladins and Teuton the Crusader knight as replacement for the generic paladins. These 2 units exist in the campaigns.
@@MrDibara True, this is actually a very good change. More unique upgrade to the generic line would be great, like Frankish paladins for Frank and Crusader knight for teuton.
So much for Genoese crossbow countering cavalry
Wow! Berserkers are really OP!
They have that anti-cavalry bonus damage working in their favor.
Description is wrong Mike
It says composite bowman
Thanks! The rest of the description is right. Just fixed it.
@@MikeEmpiresyou're welcome. Keep up the work bro
So, it basically beats all units that don't ignore armor. Only imp camels and obuch have a clear edge.
i'm going on a limp here as i'm just on the chu ko nu, but Japanese samurai due to their bonus against unique unit, all the anti-cavalry unique unit and the viking berserker(if with the chieftain tech) that might give the savar a better match up(thats on top of my head)
ok how the hell was I right about the viking berserker and wrong about the japanese samurai? that make no sense at all XD
@@thargs9184Japanese only get bonus damage on castle uniques. If it upgrades into a unit it doesn’t count.
@@thargs9184 The Attack Bonus of the Samurai only applies against Castle UUs.
Oh.. see i didnt knew that XD
Also of note, screen your archers with halbs (and you can’t just use a CKN deathball to overwhelm counters minus onagers).
I don´t know, but have you equalized the ressource costs? That don´t seem to be the case , hmmm
Those fire like arrows, what's the mod name?
I do believe it's just the chemistry tech
Huskaladins
Monaspa went through them like butter 😂🤣
IG the devs went all out with them TK's coz 100hp and 10+4M/A with 17+4 attack is nuts even against buffed cavalry 😂😂
Better than Paladin?
From maths ye
1. Die on 5 hits from halberdiers same as Generic FU Paladin
2. Upgrade cost -300F -150G
3. Can take extra 23shots from arbalesters
4. In melee fight Against other generic paladin they are equal so first hits first win
Generic Paladins would be slightly better against... siege? This looks to be a *giant* buff for the Persians.
@@budwyzer77 They are still slightly worse against halbs, since in most encounters you aren't going to have pure halbs vs full HP Paladins/Savars every single time. With some damage already applied, there would be cases where Paladin won thanks to having more HP -- not including cases of Paladins that are better than generic Paladins.
Depends on which ones, but personally I'd place them as the 3rd best "Paladin" behind Franks and Teutons, maybe occasionally 4 behind Lithuanians if you get 3+ Relics or 5 behind Cumans if speed really matters, which it seldom does. Aside from that, you are better than any unique Cavalier and not FU Paladins, and at least on par with generic FU Paladins in most cases. You die in the same amount of hits against Halbs and Camels and take 23 additional Arb shots, have +5 Attack against archers, a cheaper upgrade, retain the 1.8 Attack speed from knights and generate gold while killing enemy military units. The new Persian Eco also seems pretty nutty, so there's that.
Definitely better than generic paladin but not really against paladin with bonus like Frank or Teuton.
So it’s has a bonus to cav? Was surprised teuton was able to win
Savar vs war elephants is not fair
Which ones won against it?
Urumi FTW
I honestly think the Savar should lose the +3 attack against archers, it's not balanced when given for free (unlike Burmese)
it's not much of a bonus compared to the high base attack, only makes a difference of 1 less hit to kill if even that, and being more tuned towards anti-archer than the Paladin is literally what the Savar's niche is supposed to be in the first place. Take that away and it's basically just a reskinned Paladin.
@@DibbzTheLoner Too oppressive against archers/cavalry archers is what I meant.
@@varunmanjunath9123Hell nah, they would underperform if you take that away. And they are cataphracts so it makes sense.
Boyar in new skin
You dont need castle to maas
No, its not a Boyar
Except that the Boyar slaughtered them. So, yeah, no.
Savar (سوار) means rider
Not being a unique unit is interesting.
I wish armenians and georgians had em too. But it doesnt make a lot of sense for the time period :(
Broken unit needs fast fix. Its written good against archers and beats almost every infantry special unit and paladin 1v1 with equal resources.
How can I download it ?
Steam or Microsoft store.
Equals in costs not in numbers 😅
I wish they would quit messing with the old civs, and quit adding new ones tbh. At some point I'll be going back to HD
New civs are fun, change is fun.
I know this will sound kind of toxic, but I have to ask... how long have you been playing AoEII? Are you worried about maybe being a little pay piggie for Microsoft? All I'm saying is, this game had a dedicated fanbase for 20+ years who just loved the game, but I'm not sure it'll survive more than a couple more with "support" from the company reformatting it into a live service model.
@@ByTheLake81 Yeah, you are toxic so I'm not even going to dignify your response with any answers to your questions. You are probably one of those people who flame people in game chat too.
@@ew6546I really don't even play MP at all; just campaign/co-op. I'm generally a super-polite, critical thinker. This isn't flame, it's just the only way to engage with someone saying "don't think just buy" about a game with this much legacy. Don't take it personally, I don't need your answers.
@@ByTheLake81 Except the words "don't think just buy" were merely a figment of your imagination. Being upset about new civs while not being into MP is the most ridiculous position to take.
uy
As usual, new or updated civs get OP units... well done age of empires, ruining the game
They have to do it so the player will keep buy the new dlc💵💰