Joe La due was a very underrated actor and you could also see him in Casino, Indecent proposal and Ocean’s eleven . Joe had a distinctive voice and he could really sell his role in every movie he appeared however small or big his role was. .
From IMDB: The scene where DJ (Joe La Due) bluffs his opponent, Mario, off of pocket Kings, while holding 7-2 off-suit, is based upon an actual hand that occurred between Jack "Treetop" Straus and an unknown opponent. It was considered one the most celebrated bluffs in all of poker history.
@@electricmaster23 no, be one out of ten when you lose to that board with kings only realistic hands you're losing to would be a3 or 3x suited and very rarely 33 and if you fear 22 after that flop without a rejam then you have no business playing..
@@PostalZimbabwe With a pair on the board? What about low pocket pairs or A3? The safest board that didn't have kings would be non-connected rainbow undercards.
If he flipped over the seven, it would have invalidated what he said on the turn: "that did it". The turn being the 2 of spades which wouldn't have improved any 7X holding, besides a boat draw for the river.
3 handed pot. Short stacked player goes all in on the flop. On the turn. Player in early position raises big, late position calls. On the river, Player in early position raises pot size. Late position player moves all in. I had picked up on a tell from the late position player earlier in the night, and I realized, he just went all in on a Bluff!. In a hand that someone is all in on, on the river, against a Made hand!. Early position folded, and he had to show the bluff was hilarious.
There is a 7 on the flop and one in his hand - meaning TWO 7s LEFT. There is a 2 in his hand, meaning THREE 2s LEFT. = 5 'outs' for the turn, even planning to run the trick from the FLOP. Your 'priviledges' [sic] should be revoked... Hint: perhaps '420' plays too big a role in your life.
lol Chris!? lol. My opinion is: if you are willing to play KK in position, you have to go all the way. Means, put him all in from post flop. Cause if you are going to call a raise post flop, next card if it was an A will be obvious for KK to fold= 77, 22, 33, AA, A7, A3, all those hands are winning against KK til te river. Therefore, my view the best play will be, NOT pay any card to view, NOT free card. Lets go to the end buddy! ALL IN !
dude was doing the "turn a counterfeit 2 pair into a bluff" trick long before Doug Polk was losing 6 figures with it... just proof that there is nothing new about the game.
He would have 4 outs (KK33), with around an 8-10% of catching 1 of them. So he would need pot odds of at least 10:1. Looks like PF they both put in 2k, then both put in 10k on the flop, so the pot is somewhere in the region of 25-30k. The turn bet was 20k, giving odds of around 1.5:1. So to answer your question, the pot would have to be 180k after the flop in order for the KK to be getting correct turn odds after the 20k bet. And yes, I am off work today and very bored right now.
Ha...The dude at 1:10 is the blackjack cheat in the movie Casino who gets his hand smashed with a hammer by De Niro.. "Look what they did to my hand man!"
Yea but the board paired so KK 33 Beats 77 22. which is why he had to bluff it at the turn or risk losing the show down. At least that is what I took from the play. I thought it was smooth as fuck especially when he made him give him the $100.00 chip just to see it.
In the movie (and real life), a little common sense would go a long way: "If he had a boat, why the fuck would he show me one of his cards to make me think I have a boat?"
@AikiNickAMV the deuce DID give him the upper hand, in that he could now run the 'trick' - i.e., offer to turn either card over and make the 'donkey' think he had a full house... he was dominated on the flop... again, even if he INTENDS to 'bluff' the whole time, he's got 5 outs to do it...
what was the point of hovering the camera over the table for 50 seconds to deliver voice over? And the rest of the scene was even worse. Best scene in the movie?
Mark Johnson no, because that dude knows the Kings guy.. when showing him the cards, will think he has a full house (rather than realise he using reverse psychology on him). Im sure with another opponent he would NOT show them the cards... as Stu Ungar said.. its about people
(cont. from previous post) played out, and in the end Kings and treys triumph over sevens and deuces. And one last thing here. In fact I was asleep at the switch and almost forgot about it. His deuce was a counterfeit pair anyway and didn't count. What he had was sevens and treys. In closing, yes,the game is a game of people but don't let the pros kid you. They have an awful lot of book knowledge too.
Here's a question for you math geeks: what would the pot have to be in order for him to have pot odds to call (assuming the 'pro' did have deuces full of threes)? Asked another way, how many outs would he have against deuces full for the river? FYI: it is NOT two. ;-)
Lol, if i had KK, i would instant shove after that speech with "pick the card" 😂 i know it's a movie, but if you are scared od that board with KK.. You shouldn't play holdem, easy :)
You guys do realize that the player he bluffed wasn't Stu Ungar, in fact he wasn't even at the table. Hence I don' t get the fuss abput the actor who got bluffed.
usally in vegas those old reg. looking guys are usually nits and donks. not pros like this guy. tho i will admit once i saw an old dude pull off an epic bluff and then showed, getting the other guy to fold a full house.. it was sweet
@jpsartrean The point of the scene has nothing to do with cards and playing by the book. It's about the feel of poker. If you look at just the cards themselves, there is never a right or wrong play. It's all circumstantial, and you play it as it unfolds.
Re-read your comment, and then come to an understanding about why your commenting priviledges have been revoked for anything poker- or math-related. Hint: The problems lie everywhere you attempted to count something.
+PSColdFire In a cash game, most casinos will allow the 2 people who are in the hand to talk about the hand IF it is heads up (meaning only 2 players left in the hand) The other players that ARENT in the hand cannot talk about it tho. You CAN show your cards if you want but some casinos might forbid this but most casinos are ok so it is best to learn the rules of your current casino to get your ruling on this question. Their is NO propositioning betting allowed usually but I dont think what he did in the video can be considered a proposition bet since it was just an payoff to show a card but again, different casinos and floor men might rule it ok or not.
honey, he called a raise with 7-2
Must be a ****** Internet player
i know honey... he's some online guy
lmao
agressive call
Waited all night to trap him and he turned a full house, that's just sick.
I thought Tommy was going to yell across the room. "Hey Spyder, go get me a cutty and water!".
Look what they did to my hand, man
+Dennis D love the "Casino" reference...
+Dennis D Is that the same guy?? I was thinking so.
@@aadoosting s
Either walk out or u get the hammer, u can't have both
Omg I’m laughing so hard
This is probably the most famous bluff from the pre-internet era.
It's credited to "Treetop" Jack Straus, if anyone is interested.
Joe La due was a very underrated actor and you could also see him in Casino, Indecent proposal and Ocean’s eleven . Joe had a distinctive voice and he could really sell his role in every movie he appeared however small or big his role was. .
Donald Duck Dunn in the Blues Brothers
@@carguy6512 No, Donald Duck Dunn was an actual bass player and played himself in the movie.
From IMDB: The scene where DJ (Joe La Due) bluffs his opponent, Mario, off of pocket Kings, while holding 7-2 off-suit, is based upon an actual hand that occurred between Jack "Treetop" Straus and an unknown opponent. It was considered one the most celebrated bluffs in all of poker history.
folding kings in a 3 bet pot on a board like that cuz he is afraid of fullhouse with 2s LOL xD
sascha uchiha what can I say? It’s a scary board for kings lol
How could he not reraise on that flop with kings?
@@electricmaster23 What? Couldn't imagine a safer board.
@@electricmaster23 no, be one out of ten when you lose to that board with kings only realistic hands you're losing to would be a3 or 3x suited and very rarely 33 and if you fear 22 after that flop without a rejam then you have no business playing..
@@PostalZimbabwe With a pair on the board? What about low pocket pairs or A3? The safest board that didn't have kings would be non-connected rainbow undercards.
Thats actually a true story. The bluff was executed by Jack Strauss, and is known as the most famous bluff in poker history
Yep. RIP the legend.
If that's the best scene... I'll pass on the movie.
good decision, it sucks
Watch "Lucky You".
It's basically a retelling of ungars life, which was a wreck.
I wasted my time watching it.
@@z3my4l i hate that movie, Bana was terrible
I love this movie! "HEY STU! Tell me a story"
KK check-raise all in on turn.
"I don't know what you're bettin' Mario, but I gotta fold."
How can there NOT be a movie about Archie Karas ? Hands down the greatest...
I would not fall for this lmao
That really is one hell of a clip honestly. And it's true that poker really is about PEOPLE.
I saw Stu play in the 97 WSOP outdoors at Binions. He won that year and was dead after entering his next WSOP.
This bluff was actually carried out for real by Jack Straus.
Jack "Treetop" Straus, Mr. Chip and a Chair himself!
I remember this hand. Jack "Treetop" Strauss said it was a simple psychologic play.
If he flipped over the seven, it would have invalidated what he said on the turn: "that did it". The turn being the 2 of spades which wouldn't have improved any 7X holding, besides a boat draw for the river.
Yeah, but the guy with KK wouldn't have figured that out in the heat of the moment
He could have been lying... lol
skinny55772 that's funny as heck right. Say He picked and turned over the 7 and the Mario calls hoping he has Ace-7 and misses
3 handed pot. Short stacked player goes all in on the flop. On the turn. Player in early position raises big, late position calls. On the river, Player in early position raises pot size. Late position player moves all in.
I had picked up on a tell from the late position player earlier in the night, and I realized, he just went all in on a Bluff!. In a hand that someone is all in on, on the river, against a Made hand!.
Early position folded, and he had to show the bluff was hilarious.
treetop jack Strauss legend had it that he did that for real and then died a few years later at a tourney in LA while making one last bluff
is this where robin williams was banished in jumanji for 26 years?
first of all, this bluff really happened in a WSOP tourney. It was Jack (Treetop) Strauss who did it but Stu Ungar was not playing.
Sadly this kind of play isn't allowed anymore. It's considered "angle shooting" or something lame like that
@@2hot4u68Cant do it in tournaments but u can still do it in cash games.
This was one of the greatest bluffs of all time by Jack Straus; the winner of 1982 Main Event, sadly the acting here is just garbage.
Especially the kid who playes Unger....what a terrible job jeez.
@@Hornsvinet go get your shinebox!
@@TraumaER sold it to your mother…
and suddenly everyone in the comments is a poker expert -.-
1:14.... He still can't shuffle his chips with his left hand.
There is a 7 on the flop and one in his hand - meaning TWO 7s LEFT.
There is a 2 in his hand, meaning THREE 2s LEFT.
= 5 'outs' for the turn, even planning to run the trick from the FLOP.
Your 'priviledges' [sic] should be revoked... Hint: perhaps '420' plays too big a role in your life.
This is the dude who got his hand broken in Casino.
Classic play from, if I remember correctly, Jack Strauss.
Jack Strauss
At least one thing is right in this video: Some players make fucking magic.
"Stud" Ungar 🤣🤣🤣
one of my fav movies
And yet, he won. Clearly illustrating what the movie was trying to show: The cards didn't matter against a softie like Mario.
It’s ALWAYS a bluff when they’re offering to show a card
Most people here probably believe the guy with 7-2 had the best hand.
😂.
believe or not, this is really the best scene of this movie. a poor movie
What? I get people calling me with 72 on pokerstars all day long when i got Kings... and they win too,
yep
lol Chris!? lol. My opinion is: if you are willing to play KK in position, you have to go all the way. Means, put him all in from post flop. Cause if you are going to call a raise post flop, next card if it was an A will be obvious for KK to fold= 77, 22, 33, AA, A7, A3, all those hands are winning against KK til te river. Therefore, my view the best play will be, NOT pay any card to view, NOT free card. Lets go to the end buddy! ALL IN !
dude was doing the "turn a counterfeit 2 pair into a bluff" trick long before Doug Polk was losing 6 figures with it... just proof that there is nothing new about the game.
You can win with any two cards at the right time. Just have to know when to shove.
He would have 4 outs (KK33), with around an 8-10% of catching 1 of them. So he would need pot odds of at least 10:1. Looks like PF they both put in 2k, then both put in 10k on the flop, so the pot is somewhere in the region of 25-30k. The turn bet was 20k, giving odds of around 1.5:1. So to answer your question, the pot would have to be 180k after the flop in order for the KK to be getting correct turn odds after the 20k bet. And yes, I am off work today and very bored right now.
He snap called with pocket kings!
Ha...The dude at 1:10 is the blackjack cheat in the movie Casino who gets his hand smashed with a hammer by De Niro.. "Look what they did to my hand man!"
This "fish" is a representation of Jack Strauss...you'd snap-lose your shirt.
Lol you guys don't get it.... "some players make fucking magic"...
the guy in the suit must be that guy in casino that got his fingers smashed after cheating at Blackjack
Really? Christopher from Sopranos plays Stu Ungar? I'll pass
Steven Pazienza
Fuck you.
I DEDANNNNNT!
Yeah, you don't play the cards, You play the people....fortunately he was gifted two pair anyways
+John Gor gifted the losing two pair
he flopped 2 pr and so did the guy with kings
His pair of two's were counterfeit
Yea but the board paired so KK 33 Beats 77 22. which is why he had to bluff it at the turn or risk losing the show down. At least that is what I took from the play. I thought it was smooth as fuck especially when he made him give him the $100.00 chip just to see it.
Everyone wants to rule the world song
in real life the dealer would say ' no talking about your hands' and you'd be like 'what bitch just stick to dealing the cards'
In the movie (and real life), a little common sense would go a long way:
"If he had a boat, why the fuck would he show me one of his cards to make me think I have a boat?"
The Legend Jack "Treetop" Strauss
@AikiNickAMV the deuce DID give him the upper hand, in that he could now run the 'trick' - i.e., offer to turn either card over and make the 'donkey' think he had a full house... he was dominated on the flop... again, even if he INTENDS to 'bluff' the whole time, he's got 5 outs to do it...
He should have went all in pre flop with pocket kings
Tried to trap - traped himself lol
55 people are friends with Mario
"look what they did to my hand"
I can see he's not playing blackjack anymore.
Old dude is going broke if I'm playing those Kings
It's on pirate bay, title: "High Roller: The Stu Ungar Story". Not many seeders tho ... looks like it's gonna take 37 min to download it
what was the point of hovering the camera over the table for 50 seconds to deliver voice over? And the rest of the scene was even worse. Best scene in the movie?
love that movie
An old guy raises with 27 next joke
Why would he "let" you look if you obviously would have wanted a call if he had a boat.
Because as stu ungar said... they never figured out the game was about people. And you just instantly referred to the cards lol
strong means weak. He was angling but obviously didn't have it.
Mark Johnson no, because that dude knows the Kings guy.. when showing him the cards, will think he has a full house (rather than realise he using reverse psychology on him). Im sure with another opponent he would NOT show them the cards... as Stu Ungar said.. its about people
Nah. Calling 5,000 with a pair of sevens and a two as kicker is perfectly realistic. That's what most people online seem to do.
doing it on a real table is much safer especially when you have reading skills
the film is called high roller
Ya. Beard guy is a cool cat, but i got news for ya,1st. These donkeys will call anything and oh ya this game is about cards!
It's funny you would say that, because this scene is based on a real hand played by Jack Straus in a cash game. Look it up.
Like the guy is going to call the flop with pocket deuces or 3-2 lol
If I see a deuce, I'm going all in and he's losing his stack
Cheesy but entertaining
(cont. from previous post) played out, and in the end Kings and treys triumph over sevens and deuces.
And one last thing here. In fact I was asleep at the switch and almost forgot about it. His deuce was a counterfeit pair anyway and didn't count. What he had was sevens and treys.
In closing, yes,the game is a game of people but don't let the pros kid you. They have an awful lot of book knowledge too.
The guy from casino that got his hand smashed
Here's a question for you math geeks: what would the pot have to be in order for him to have pot odds to call (assuming the 'pro' did have deuces full of threes)?
Asked another way, how many outs would he have against deuces full for the river?
FYI: it is NOT two. ;-)
Good thing Robert De Niro wasn't in this scene. Otherwise Mr. 72 might have had his right hand SMASHED with a hammer.
Is this from a movie? If so whats it called? Thanks.
probably, who else lurks in the darkness as creepy as ferguson
i was expecting him to bluff because of suits or an ace. donkey fold.
What an emphatic check..
Lol, if i had KK, i would instant shove after that speech with "pick the card" 😂 i know it's a movie, but if you are scared od that board with KK.. You shouldn't play holdem, easy :)
@travis yes, well this is a movie, and we all know movie logic..
LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO MY HAND MAAAAN
That was an executive game with Chrissy xD
So that’s where Shaun Deeb learned it, huh
This is Tom Dwan's grandfather.
lol check min raises flop, then checks the turn.......
No one knew the concept of bet sizing til Doyle's book IIRC
You guys do realize that the player he bluffed wasn't Stu Ungar, in fact he wasn't even at the table.
Hence I don' t get the fuss abput the actor who got bluffed.
The guy with 7 2 is the same guy who get's shocked in the movie Casino.
usally in vegas those old reg. looking guys are usually nits and donks. not pros like this guy. tho i will admit once i saw an old dude pull off an epic bluff and then showed, getting the other guy to fold a full house.. it was sweet
Apparently, Jack Strauss did it way back... this is the exact same hand he played, only here it's played by some random shark
@jpsartrean The point of the scene has nothing to do with cards and playing by the book. It's about the feel of poker. If you look at just the cards themselves, there is never a right or wrong play. It's all circumstantial, and you play it as it unfolds.
On pokerstars play money poker, yes
This movie must be a steaming pile of shitake.
This pot would get 5-bet preflop and shoved on the flop haha.
id snap call this fish
If he showed the 7, Mario would have had the same outcome.
Re-read your comment, and then come to an understanding about why your commenting priviledges have been revoked for anything poker- or math-related.
Hint: The problems lie everywhere you attempted to count something.
what is the tittle of original movie?
what a bad play you want him to call in this spot
movie name ?
necesito ver esa pelicula alguien sabe algun link o algo para poder verla?
Would any casino actually allow this behavior? (discussing your hole cards, proposition betting and showing your hole cards during the hand)
+PSColdFire In a cash game, most casinos will allow the 2 people who are in the hand to talk about the hand IF it is heads up (meaning only 2 players left in the hand) The other players that ARENT in the hand cannot talk about it tho. You CAN show your cards if you want but some casinos might forbid this but most casinos are ok so it is best to learn the rules of your current casino to get your ruling on this question. Their is NO propositioning betting allowed usually but I dont think what he did in the video can be considered a proposition bet since it was just an payoff to show a card but again, different casinos and floor men might rule it ok or not.
Heads up? Absolutely.
it's up to the players. in poker you don't play against the house and the house always wins
Yes you can do all of this... Only in tournaments do they not allow showing your whole cards and whatnot
Is that the same cowboy guy in casino when they banged up his hand with a mallet .?
Yes sir!
Also the car dealer whose hand Bernie Mac squeezes in Oceans Eleven.