Eurovision 2010 - 2022 | Changes To Qualifiers Under the New Semi-Final Voting System

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  • @hyperssr
    @hyperssr Рік тому +77

    Daily reminder Azerbaijan 2022 was the first country to qualify for the finals without receiving a single point from the televote

    • @j.t.5178
      @j.t.5178 Рік тому +8

      I think that and Croatia 2021 not qualifying even though it placed 10th & 9th in the jury and televote respectfully was what made the EBU make the switch back to the 2009 televote-only qualifying system for 2023. Oh, and maybe 6 countries' juries being disqualified for swapping votes.

    • @andrejsvikis5830
      @andrejsvikis5830 Рік тому

      ​@@j.t.5178 What 6 countries?

    • @arvinroidoatienza7082
      @arvinroidoatienza7082 Рік тому +1

      ​@@andrejsvikis5830Azerbaijan, Georgia, San Marino, Poland, Romania, and Montenegro

    • @saudade_saudade977
      @saudade_saudade977 Рік тому +2

      and it was so deserved that they qualify

    • @gomixse
      @gomixse Рік тому

      @@j.t.5178 personaly i think its because last year azerbaijan qualified with 0 televoting point

  • @dimidrugg9592
    @dimidrugg9592 2 роки тому +56

    Israel 2010, Estonia 2011, Hungary 2012, Moldova 2013, Austria 2017, Belgium 2021. We are about to witness some unforgivable crimes starting from next year.
    Also in 2013 the actual points were never announced so these changes are not certain.

    • @in_wino_veritas
      @in_wino_veritas 2 роки тому +4

      Plus Georgia 2016. But on the other hand, I would have wanted them to stay in the semi in 2013 (,although the results were never disclosed. And so should have Australia 2017. And on the other hand,bad songs like Finland 2010 and 2015, Armenia 2011 and Poland 2018 would have made it through. And Switzerland 2012, lol, this English is, well, but at least it's memorable.

    • @szandorthe13th
      @szandorthe13th 2 роки тому +2

      i mean we'll get interesting results but I don't think it's the right ones

  • @xander2609
    @xander2609 2 роки тому +87

    With a few exceptions, this would have been much worse than the real results, and we would have missed many beautiful and deserving entries in the grand final. Inevitably, it makes me sad to think that this is the system that it's gonna be applied from next year onwards.

    • @Crowleas
      @Crowleas Рік тому +4

      That "onwards"... hmmm I doubt it. I think this is just a trick. They are sucrificing 2023 to manipulate the fans. They have of course noticed the fans' rage against the juries but instead of just improving them, they chose violence. :p We'll have so much trash qualifying to the Grand Final ,leaving obviously better songs behind that we'll be beging them to bring the juries back. Without improvements. Just choosing the lesser evil. Cheap and insensible trick. So disappointing.

    • @mysticgirl916
      @mysticgirl916 Рік тому +8

      Focusing more on the stage show than the song quality in the mid 00s was what made juries return in the first place. A good Eurovision final needs a variety of genres, not just oversexed bangers and joke songs

    • @xander2609
      @xander2609 Рік тому

      @@mysticgirl916 I never said otherwise

  • @mike.a5726
    @mike.a5726 2 роки тому +38

    This shows it's always about balance . Sometimes juries save some good entries like Mall, Milim, Wrong place , Midnight Gold and other times the take away some interesting entries like Ingranka, Blackbird. There is always loss and gain. No system is perfect

    • @felicepompa938
      @felicepompa938 Рік тому

      To be fair Blackbird was borderline even for televote. In the final it would have got 0 points probably

  • @imogensullivan2210
    @imogensullivan2210 Рік тому +15

    I'm about 70% convinced the rule change is because of a certain scandal during semi final 2

  • @lighthouse620
    @lighthouse620 2 роки тому +30

    Poland 2019 was genuinely meant to qualify under the current system, a czech juror accidentally ranked backwards

  • @markkk9623
    @markkk9623 2 роки тому +27

    This is gonna be a mess

  • @radharose99
    @radharose99 2 роки тому +21

    Not Midnight Gold, Mall and Karma😡🔪

    • @miraniseini2931
      @miraniseini2931 2 роки тому +2

      Albania will be smoked from now on 💀 considering they lost their diaspora votes from North Macedonia and Montenegro, they won’t see the final in years

    • @achnix3167
      @achnix3167 Рік тому

      Its war

  • @astrovisionbroadcastingunion
    @astrovisionbroadcastingunion Рік тому +4

    This stupid change will seal the end of vocal ballads in Eurovision and open the door to just buzzing entries... sad times

  • @vavah2071
    @vavah2071 2 роки тому +9

    I'm so sorry for Malta next year as they're Never better in Televoting than jury voting and, almost all of the semis, Malta was in The top 10 of the jury voting, I think 2022 was maybe the 1st Time That Malta wasn't in top 10 in jury voting during the semi
    I really hate the system without the jury voting because even though I really love a Big part of the songs That would have Been qualified with This system, I realised That WE would have Lost some Amazing songs (Israel 2010, Moldova 2013, Albania 2018 to Say only few of them)
    Even though some songs That I don't really like wouldn't have go through (like Switzerland 2022 (all of the songs Eliminated for Switzerland in The 2010's were way better than This one (maybe except 2016))
    So yes, I hate This system because even though some undeserved NQ would have qualified like Montenegro 2013, Bulgaria 2012, Czechia 2015 or Croatia 2021 some of the really deserved qualifiers would have Been Eliminated like Moldova 2013, Albania 2018, Serbia & Estonia 2011 & Israel 2010
    All of This just because of stupid 6 countries' juries who cheated last year

  • @esc-happyness10
    @esc-happyness10 2 роки тому +19

    I so hope they realise removing the juries from the semi is a big mistake and they take it back. I hate the changes

  • @renatopereira810
    @renatopereira810 2 роки тому +6

    The system will never be perfect. I hate juries in 2014 for what they did to Portugal and Ireland but I love juries because of Moldova 2013, Albania 2018/2021 and also Belgium 2021.

  • @achnix3167
    @achnix3167 Рік тому +3

    The wrong place > ticktock
    Karma > Ove os pa hinanden (and many others too btw)

  • @Crowleas
    @Crowleas Рік тому +12

    Well, watching this video makes what I had suspected even clearer. Both the televoters AND the juries can give horribly CRAZY results if left alone. So, yes, their combo brings some kind of balance. I suspect though that IF I had to leave one of them out, it would be the televoters. They are horrible a bit more often. I definitely think that leaving the juries out is an awful decision that will leave us fully exposed to an audience that is too often seduced by absolute trash. I think the only true solution to get fair results that "make sense" is not to leave anyone out. Just improve the quality of the juries, as improving the quality of the televoters would be (I guess) far more challenging. By improving their quality I mean, bring juries that are actually doing their job standing for good music. We need them to forget about nationalities, bribery and voting alies, embrace musical diversity, leave their obsession with generic soulless pop aside and allow themselves to be surprised and explore the new ways of being good music that some entries offer every now and then crashing into the short-sighted juries' wall. I have that feeling that most of the voters usually know if the song they support is trashy and won't get really annoyed if the juries boost an obviously better quality (music wise) song instead. Deep inside they'll know it was fair. What's really infuriating is when the juries are overlooking masterpieces like Serbia 2022, Montenegro 2013, Italy 2018. At these points they just leave you ( or me at least :p ) wondering: Is that your idea of standing for quality? Seriously?
    So, BRING BACK THE JURIES! Just make them more open-minded. Thank you :)

  • @luckyshot9173
    @luckyshot9173 2 роки тому +16

    Seems like, over the years, the changes juries would make become less and less significant. With some exceptions, I wouldn't mind the tele results post 2014

  • @bammer180and1
    @bammer180and1 2 роки тому +5

    I prefer this version of the 2010 and 2016 final. And maybe 2012 but only for Bulgaria.

  • @lukebroughton-mountford5395
    @lukebroughton-mountford5395 2 роки тому +12

    Honestly I prefer the televote qualifiers like 2022 final would have been so much better with Albania and Cyprus over Switzerland and Azerbaijan

  • @kairi13chii
    @kairi13chii 2 роки тому +6

    We have to admit that some of the ones that would have made it because of the public gave a poor performance. At first I thought it was a good idea, but thanks to this video now I think otherwise...

    • @xander2609
      @xander2609 2 роки тому +5

      Absolutely. Also, some joke acts would have made it... But many people don't like to be objective and admit things. They just prefer to blindly accept everything the televote does, even if that weakens the quality of the contest

  • @SalmonTunes
    @SalmonTunes Рік тому +2

    On the whole I would’ve preferred televote only. So many robbed faves (Denmark 2021, Finland 2010, Croatia 2013) go through and some of the worst ever qualifiers (Bosnia 2010, Denmark 2017) are out.

  • @Ambition1611
    @Ambition1611 2 роки тому +2

    5:23 waterfall is a deserved qualifier. How it come that with only online voting it would not qualify?!! 😮 unbelievable

    • @achnix3167
      @achnix3167 Рік тому +1

      I actually think it shouldnt have qualified.... Was such a copy of spain the year before

  • @joanxo666
    @joanxo666 Рік тому +1

    Am I the only one who's excited for this
    OG ESC fan power to the people jk
    P.S. And as someone from Finland with three of the non qualifiers due to judges shown here too aye

  • @aleksaranitovic
    @aleksaranitovic 2 роки тому +13

    We will lose so many artistic performances in semi's due to new voting system.

  • @Arekhtothes
    @Arekhtothes Рік тому +1

    Στην αγκαλιά μου, ζήσε άλλη μια μέρα🇹🇷

  • @Satellite88
    @Satellite88 Місяць тому

    Finland 2010 💔
    Ireland 2010 💔
    Albania 2021 💔

  • @nobodyimportant281
    @nobodyimportant281 2 роки тому +6

    Something tells me that jury doesn't like Poland.

    • @xander2609
      @xander2609 2 роки тому +4

      Oh, yes. That's why Poland's best result to this day was achieved in a year where only juries voted; and that's also why Poland advanced to the final in 2008 thanks to them.
      Sure...

    • @n_mcg
      @n_mcg 2 роки тому

      @@xander2609 I really don't think you can at all compare Poland's result in 1994 to modern Eurovision. Eurovision is fundamentally different than it used to be

    • @xander2609
      @xander2609 2 роки тому +2

      @@n_mcg And I don't think you can tell juries don't like a certain country for no reason. Also, I mentioned 2008, which wasn't so long ago.
      So what would make juries hate Poland nowadays, as opposed to those years?

  • @ayumisanyuki7116
    @ayumisanyuki7116 2 роки тому +2

    This is stupid, specially these past few years 2016, 2018(even though 2018 has a tight semis), 2019, 2021, and 2022 all qualifiers were good. nothing controversial but if it's indeed only televotes, then it's certain some entries were automatically expected to not qualify such as malta, azerbaijan etc. But at least with juries there's a shocking value, sometimes bad but generally good!
    Base on the video the thing I don't want to change were:
    Czech (2016) - deserve to qualify
    Israel (2016) - robbed by televotes, deserves to qualify
    Georgia (2016) - deserves to qualify, good for them
    Bosnia, Belarus, and NM - deserves to qualify but not at the expense of the above qualifiers maybe others
    No comment on 2017 it's a messy year but yeah australia 2017 deserves not to qualify
    Albania over greece (2018) - much better
    Netherland (2018) - not really a fan but over Poland? I'm ok with it qualifying
    Belarus(2019) - Best example of shock value
    Denmark, Poland and Lithuania (2019) - either of the three were good qualifiers but yeah there's only 10 spots so it is what it is
    Belgium (2021) - OMG thank God there's juries!!!!! savior of underappreciated masterpiece
    Croatia (2021) - she qualified to both so why blame juries?
    Denmark over Albania (2021) - the only time I can agree to an extent
    Swiss (2022) - yes the song isn't eurovisiony but the performance is great! so I'm not mad it qualify
    Albania (2022) - my gosh I still can't see the upset about this, her performance was underwhelming!!! I'm fine with her not qualifying
    Azerbaijan (2022) - and this is why we need juries!!!!! who in the right mind give this a 0 point?
    Cyprus (2022) - i'm fine with this qualifying but over belgium 2022

  • @jodygrottino8257
    @jodygrottino8257 2 роки тому +42

    Cyprus and Albania qualifying in 2022 would have been a slap in the face of actually deserving entries.

    • @miraniseini2931
      @miraniseini2931 2 роки тому +18

      Azerbaijan definitely deserved to qualify based on the vocals, but Switzerland? Really? It was awful however I’d still not put Albania through, maybe Austria
      I hate this new change though, the whole jury-public balance will be lost and we’ll be losing amazing songs (I can’t believe we wouldn’t have Albania 2018 and Belgium 2021 in the final with this system)

    • @MJMW25
      @MJMW25 2 роки тому

      Ahahahah I know you aren’t saying Azerbaijan and Australia were better then Albania and Cyprus hahah

    • @markharan86
      @markharan86 2 роки тому +2

      @@MJMW25 they could sing live, Albania and Cyprus couldn’t they deserved to stay in semis

    • @James-fl6qk
      @James-fl6qk 2 роки тому +7

      Tbh I watched the final the other night and there was a real run of ballads… it kinda made it boring 😬 I think Cyprus and Albania would’ve livened things up

    • @MJMW25
      @MJMW25 2 роки тому +2

      @@James-fl6qk 1000% if Albania closed the semi she would’ve got more jury points… let’s not forget she was 9th with public so would’ve qualified based on that…. Plus the multiple things that went wrong her that shouldn’t of !!

  • @koguma8823
    @koguma8823 Рік тому +2

    so many of my favorite entries wouldn't have qualified, including albania 2018, my favorite non-winning entry ever... devastating. this year is going to be absolutely terrible, knowing the televote's usually awful taste

  • @Jocke-04
    @Jocke-04 2 роки тому +22

    The fact that Finland would've qualified in 2015 is a MASSIVE red flag for this new system.

    • @angelaburrow8114
      @angelaburrow8114 2 роки тому +5

      I loved Aina Mun Pitää! It's rare we see any punk music in ESC &, as a lover of first & second wave British punk, I really wanted PKN to qualify. I want to see music of all genres competing in the competition, not just pop & ballads. The fact that this would have qualified is a good thing for me, as it shows that lots of other people want more variety too. Do you begrudge 1 punk song amongst the monopoly of pops songs & ballads we seen every single year? It was a classic punk song: short, frantic, honest, straightforward with a strong message. Just because you don't like the genre doesn't make it a bad song. :-)

    • @Jocke-04
      @Jocke-04 2 роки тому +8

      @@angelaburrow8114 I actually love rock songs (my dad is a rock singer so i grew up listening to rock) but that was just a mess.

    • @arvinroidoatienza7082
      @arvinroidoatienza7082 Рік тому

      @@angelaburrow8114 It was not bad. Just too short

    • @Crowleas
      @Crowleas Рік тому +3

      Yeap! One of many! Finland 2015 is definitely their worst entry I can recall and one of the worst entries ever. Also Armenia's boom boom was bottom3 material. Generally the televoters are crazy far more often and more dramaticly than the juries. And without going bacķ to the far past, an audience so massively thinking that the best songs of 2022 were from Ukraine and MOLDOVA (FFS!!!) is so clearly not to be trusted!

    • @joanxo666
      @joanxo666 Рік тому

      @@Jocke-04 Rock≠punk

  • @hectorhervas3749
    @hectorhervas3749 Рік тому

    Mall being 11th in the televoting is criminal

  • @naborrodriguezdieguez7758
    @naborrodriguezdieguez7758 Рік тому

    Israel, Hungary, Croacia, Austria, Denmark, Azerbaijan,

  • @angelesc1
    @angelesc1 Рік тому

    Azerbaijan would have stayed in the semi 4 times in total (2014,2015,2018,2022) with the new system instead of 1 (2018) Juries really saved them! And Cyprus last year wouldn't have broken their qualification streak they had from 2015

  • @ΑΣΤΕΡΙΟΣΤΡΙΚ
    @ΑΣΤΕΡΙΟΣΤΡΙΚ 2 роки тому

    Israel 2010 and Moldova 2013 out?? Oh hell no

  • @SorinDanut-j1u
    @SorinDanut-j1u 9 місяців тому

    fade to black, mall and other great entries would stay in semis ,.. no maaaammmmm'

  • @ImStevan
    @ImStevan 2 роки тому +1

    why not include 2008 and 2009 🤧

    • @dimidrugg9592
      @dimidrugg9592 2 роки тому +8

      2008: Sweden out, F.Y.R Macedonia in
      2009: Finland out, F.Y.R Macedonia in
      Croatia out, Serbia in
      You're welcome.

    • @ImStevan
      @ImStevan 2 роки тому +2

      @@dimidrugg9592 oh i know, but it'd be a nice addition to the video

    • @gilmourattard3625
      @gilmourattard3625 2 роки тому +1

      Because 2009 and 2007 only televoting , there was no juries

    • @ImStevan
      @ImStevan 2 роки тому +1

      @@gilmourattard3625 2008 and 2009 had jury qualifiers, juries would push one country from the semis out of the non-qualifiers into the final

  • @ozn9221
    @ozn9221 2 роки тому +3

    not a good decision to remove the jury from the semi finals we will see so many trash song in the final

  • @JiajunYuPiano
    @JiajunYuPiano 2 роки тому +5

    Right flag for Belarus.
    ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
    🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥
    ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜

  • @thatpenguinlady
    @thatpenguinlady Рік тому

    Semi finals last year were a disaster

  • @NoNo-ly5kf
    @NoNo-ly5kf Рік тому

    This worries me

  • @jackodonovan7560
    @jackodonovan7560 Рік тому

    I’d trust the televote alone now more than I would’ve a couple years ago. There’s always gonna be a few exceptions. Like I do agree with Albania over Greece in 2018. But Portugal should’ve made it over Azerbaijan in 2014. Ireland should’ve made it over Malta in 2014. Poland should’ve made it over Belarus in 2019. And Cyprus (or any country) should’ve made it over Azerbaijan in 2022.

  • @eurovisiontszai9125
    @eurovisiontszai9125 2 роки тому +10

    *Sweden 100% qualification record finally saved.*
    What is the cost?
    *UkRaInE oF cOuRsE*

    • @Hzjuanyemano
      @Hzjuanyemano Рік тому +1

      +Türkiye too %100 qualification

  • @szandorthe13th
    @szandorthe13th 2 роки тому

    WE WOULD QUALIFY IN 2012? LOL WHAT

  • @xenonplays_
    @xenonplays_ Рік тому +1

    Thoughts: (Yes meaning I agree with the televote, No meaning I don't/it should've stayed Q/NQ)
    B&H 2010 NQ : Yes
    Finland 2010 Q : Yes
    Israel 2010 NQ : Yes
    Lithuania 2010 Q : Yes
    Ireland 2010 NQ : No
    Sweden 2010 Q : Yes
    Lithuania 2011 NQ : No
    Armenia 2011 Q : HUGE No (worst Armenian entry after 2013)
    Serbia 2011 NQ : HUGE No
    Turkey 2011 Q : HUGE No
    Switzerland 2011 NQ : Meh / Unphased
    Norway 2011 Q : Yes
    Estonia 2011 NQ : HUGE No
    Belarus 2011 Q : HUGE Yes
    Hungary 2012 NQ : Yes
    Switzerland 2012 Q : Yes
    Malta 2012 NQ : Yes
    Bulgaria 2012 Q : HUGE Yes
    Ukraine 2012 NQ : Yes
    Netherlands 2012 Q : No
    Moldova 2013 NQ : MASSIVE HUGE FAT NO WTF TELEVOTE?
    Montenegro 2013 Q : HUGE Yes
    Estonia 2013 NQ : Yes
    Croatia 2013 Q : HUGE No
    Armenia 2013 NQ : HUGE Yes
    Switzerland 2013 Q : Yes
    Georgia 2013 NQ : Yes
    Bulgaria 2013 Q : Yes
    Azerbaijan 2014 NQ : No
    Portugal 2014 Q : Yes
    Malta 2014 NQ : Yes
    Ireland 2014 Q : No
    Hungary 2015 NQ : No
    Finland 2015 Q : HUGE No
    Azerbaijan 2015 NQ : MASSIVE No
    Czech Republic 2015 Q : HUGE Yes
    Czech Republic 2016 NQ : GIANT NO
    B&H 2016 Q : HUGE Yes
    Israel 2016 NQ : Yes
    North Macedonia 2016 Q : HUGE Yes
    Georgia 2016 NQ : Yes
    Belarus 2016 Q : No
    Australia 2017 NQ : Yes
    Finland 2017 Q : HUGE Yes
    Austria 2017 NQ : HUGE No
    Estonia 2017 Q : MASSIVE FAT YES
    Denmark 2017 NQ : MASSIVE GIANT FAT NO WTF
    Switzerland 2017 Q : Yes
    Albania 2018 NQ : Unphased (not bothered if it Q or NQ)
    Greece 2018 Q : Unphased (same as Albania 2018)
    Netherlands 2018 NQ : Unphased (same again)
    Poland 2018 Q : No
    Belarus 2019 NQ : No
    Poland 2019 Q : Yes
    Denmark 2019 NQ : HUGE Yes
    Lithuania 2019 Q : Unphased (same as 2018)
    Belgium 2021 NQ : HUGE No
    Croatia 2021 Q : MASSIVE YES
    Albania 2021 NQ : MASSIVE NO
    Denmark 2021 Q : Yes
    Switzerland 2022 NQ : HUGE Yes
    Albania 2022 Q : Yes but also No (Yes for song, No for performance)
    Azerbaijan 2022 NQ : Yes
    Cyprus 2022 Q : HUGE FAT YES

  • @AntonDiachuk
    @AntonDiachuk 2 роки тому

    Montenegro 2013 is my winner

  • @angelosiosifiag6554
    @angelosiosifiag6554 2 роки тому +10

    mark my words Greece will flop in semils!

    • @mpofc
      @mpofc 2 роки тому +6

      Why? Greece does well with the televote when sending good songs.

    • @DANEZESC
      @DANEZESC Рік тому

      @@mpofc The televote put 2018 in and that was an awful stage performance

    • @mpofc
      @mpofc Рік тому

      @@DANEZESC I do think that they could have made a better stage performance that year. They should have hired Fokas Evangelinos.

  • @ronaldogiron6239
    @ronaldogiron6239 2 роки тому +2

    Still bitter Poland didn't make the finals in 2019 and this confirming their robbery says a lot

  • @gabrielmerencko9149
    @gabrielmerencko9149 Рік тому

    POLAND 🇵🇱

  • @diekommentarekommentiererin
    @diekommentarekommentiererin 2 роки тому +1

    My preferences
    2010
    SF 1: None
    SF 2: Israel & Sweden
    2011
    SF 1: Idk, that SF was just awful
    SF 2: Rockefeller Street (thanks juries. For once!)
    2012
    SF 1: I like both Hungary and Switzerland
    SF 2: Malta & Bulgaria I guess (Ukraine should have NQd. How TF Portugal and Slovenia were completely ignored by both groups I'll never understand though)
    2013
    SF 1: Moldova
    SF 2: Switzerland (Armenia is awful)
    2014
    SF 1: Azerbaijan (controversial opinion)
    SF 2: Ireland
    2015
    SF 1: Hungary, duh
    SF 2: none
    2016
    SF 1: Czech Republic
    SF 2: none (WTH were juries thinking with Georgia?)
    2017
    SF 1: Finland
    SF 2: SWITZERLAND!!! (my winner of 2017, so I'll be forever mad here)
    2018
    SF 1: Greece
    SF 2: Poland
    2019
    SF 1: Belarus
    SF 2: Denmark
    2021
    SF 1: CROATIA (though juries can't be exactly blamed here, it was also among their qualifiers)
    SF 2: Albania
    2022
    SF 1: Albania
    SF 2: Cyprus
    Especially in later years, I prefered the televoting. Two of my winners qualifying with televoting makes this change hurt slightly, since it comes too late for them.

  • @arvinroidoatienza7082
    @arvinroidoatienza7082 Рік тому

    I find it ironic that you used that Belarusian protest over a nationalistic, pro-Lukashenko, propaganda song.
    Also cultural appropriation for Netherlands 2012
    And Estonia 2017 was a vocal wreck anyway

  • @Karl-f6z
    @Karl-f6z 7 місяців тому

    FREE 🇮🇱 2010 SHAK MIRAK MILIM 😢❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @Geekofriendly
    @Geekofriendly Рік тому

    Terrible video, you explained nothing. Misleading title.