Overweight. It was obvious from the outside on the FIRST attempt to depart. The pilot knew what was wrong, so why did they try two more times? #careless #wreckless
Based on the sound the engine was making they didn't have the power to leave Ground Effect and was trying to get out with Translational lift but didn't have the distance to make it work.
+James Paul Elsewhere, they get it right first time around: ua-cam.com/video/_d9XedFyukY/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/qHMhsD8OFCs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/cIqPg2yJoR4/v-deo.html
Looks like he was too heavy and was attempting to gain some horizontal speed to begin climbing out of the area, adverse wind and temperature were probably contributing factors. Ultimately, if you cannot out climb the terrain or obstacles in your path it's time to wait or lighten the load.
Kind of inevitable wasn't it? Wait it out, have a good kip overnight, then fire it up at dawn when the ambient temperature is nice and low. These days we are obsessed with delay, but this is one delay that would have saved the chopper, and saved the pilot a lot of embarrassment. The pilot has the last word!
I've got more than 2,000 hours of 412 PIC time and though it is a good helicopter, some of the models are simply underpowered. In this video, poor judgement and pilot decision making skills are what caused this helicopter to crash simply by creating a situation that could not be recovered from once over the trees. Sometimes, you have to actually think about the situation and have options before you commit to flight.
That sounds like a concise description of the situation. As an amateur heli sim enthusiast, it's interesting to hear some insight into the situation from an experienced pilot. Even I thought those manoeuvres looked reckless in such an (extremely?) confined area, given the type of helicopter they where flying!
Oh I see what the pilot was trying to do now, at first I thought they were just showing off. After reading some comments, it looks different now. There were two attempts at departure, with the second at an even lower altitude. I think I would have given up after the first attempt, as I would think the turbine temps would be even less desirable than the first departure. Interesting.
I have experienced this without the crashing part. Heavy and hot. Seems he tried a few times to get translational lift by taking a run and didn't get enough height to clear the trees. Go into a hover and try to go back the other direction. Use your height to get extra speed. In this case it didn't work and he lost reference to the pole when he did his turn. Bummer. Glad they didn't roll it over into a ball. Seems like a survivable crash. Maybe next time drop some guys and do two trips.
Se nota que el piloto intentaba lograr sustentación, pero seguramente por estar muy pesado no lo logra y era de esperar que le diera a alguna cosa. Mal por no decir que había sobrepeso y suspender el despegue
Was the pilot trying to reach translational lift prior to reaching the trees? Knowing the helicopter cargo load and altitude above sea level would help in understanding what was happening.
I watched a guy try to take off in an overloaded Piper once, it did not end well, all on board died. He just cleared the fence and that is as high as he got. He was an experienced pilot however it seems that a lot of folks throw the weight and balance sheets in the trash or just never use them. It is almost like, screw altitude power, weight and all else , just make it work, well it won't.
I know very little about helicopters but as soon as I saw the first attempt I was feeling extreme urges to GTFO and watch from behind a thick tree at a distance. It made me nervous seeing so many people standing around this copter which was obviously not fully under the pilot's control. It looked like his tail rotor was gonna strike the trees to the right each time! When copters crash, usually the main rotor blades violently self destruct and go flying sideways, you don't wanna be anywhere near that!!!
do your weight and balance, find density altitude, then the POH will show hige and hoge and list available power. Also, running takeoff isn't an option in a confined area, if it doesn't feel right, park it and drop cargo,fuel, or wait for the temp to drop, sometimes even 10° is enough.
When it comes to flying anywhere south of the US border all I have to say is 5 words: Fly at your own risk!! Years ago I went on a cruise to Mexico. Where I went to had helicopters that could take you to see the Mayan ruins. I was really looking forward to it but when I got there I discovered they had ancient rickety old Sikorsky H-34s that looked like they were held together with duct tape and super glue! After watching one take off and hearing how bad the motor sounded I said hell no to that. Well, about 2 weeks later I heard one had gone down in the jungle en route to the ruins killing/injuring everyone on board including some tourists. Seeing how this idiot pilot in this video was trying to take off an overloaded helicopter doesn't exactly bode well to how good their pilots are trained either!
I don't even qualify as an amateur so my opinion means nuts. It just didn't *sound* like it was making enough power and the whole time I'm thinking set it down and try again later. Reason being, it looks like a tropical setting and I have heard of not getting enough lift because of altitude and heat (can't remember the term). If you're gonna crash one though, that looks like the way to do it. Nice and low.
Apostando con plata ajena , y así quieren salarios exorbitantes las altas cupulas militares ecuatorianas haciendo cagadas y exigiendo beneficios que no gozan los sencillos ecuatorianos de a pie, se pierden muchos aviones de TAME Y VIDAS accidentados también por lanzados envez de seguir procedimientos .
I first wrote a comment more than 6 years ago. It should have been painfully obvious that the helicopter did not want to fly. It looks as though the aircraft may have been overloaded to begin with and the pilot was hoping to gain enough speed to take advantage of effective translational lift, where the rotor system is able to produce more efficient lifting action due to a larger induced flow of "clean" air eather than just the very turbulent air created while hovering in ground effect. If the aircraft was not ready to fly on the first attempt, what was the pilot hoping for? A miracle? If you are flying helicopters, you depend on knowledge, training, and, hopefully, superior judgment, rather than pushing the threshold of performance. I still maintain my story. This could easily have been prevented and the pilot should have recognized that the helicopter was just not going to climb out of that confined area. I've been flying helicopters for many years and each and every flight requires planning and evaluation for each situation, especially when high gross weight and high temperature are taken into consideration. I don't know the result of the accident, but, no matter what, it coudn't be good.
Being that a out of balance problem could get u a broken neck. After realizing I was over weight I would not had tried a second attempt. I personally would have been thankful to escape a crach the first time.
Why did the pilot introduce left pedal? If he knew he wasn't going to make it he should have used left cyclic and got it on the ground away from whatever it was he hit.
Pablo Maidana he is too heavy. He is trying a take off 2 times, using ground effect to give him more power to reach transitional lift, but never makes it tho. He should have tried ones, and the unloaded some of his cargo, then would have been able to take off.. I see no showing off..
NO soy piloto, pero se puede ver que la aeronave esta fallando o con sobrepeso, varios intentos y nada que logra subir, era lógico que algo estaba pasando , muy pendejos.
the helo looks new and mint condition, nothing unusual seen outside not even excessive smoke from the engines and exhausts, I`ve seen like this on a 212 but it got away safely with almost 350 lbs over it's mtow.
Knew they were in trouble when the clown pilot didn’t pull into a hover and do a power check. Instead he tried to use speed to gain translation and simply ran out of space.
Overweight. It was obvious from the outside on the FIRST attempt to depart. The pilot knew what was wrong, so why did they try two more times? #careless #wreckless
I predicted it before it happened, "You're going to clip something with the tail rotor". This wasn't a skill problem, it was a risk taking problem.
Based on the sound the engine was making they didn't have the power to leave Ground Effect and was trying to get out with Translational lift but didn't have the distance to make it work.
Only in South America could they try several times to crash before they get it right.........
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
Only in South America.?? wtf.?
+James Paul
Elsewhere, they get it right first time around:
ua-cam.com/video/_d9XedFyukY/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/qHMhsD8OFCs/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/cIqPg2yJoR4/v-deo.html
I bet there are stupid pilots in the USA too!
Lmao.......😂😂
When this happens I usually respawn and try again.
esc load game
Works for Zoidberg
"I don't always try to fly helicopters. But when I do, first I drink Dos Equis"
Very dedicated pilot. Didn't give up until he junked it!!
El'Presidente the pilot just wiped out a third of our Air Force!!
Lololol lololol lololol
It slices...it dices...it chops wood AND trims the trees! It's the Swiss army copter!!
Looks like he was too heavy and was attempting to gain some horizontal speed to begin climbing out of the area, adverse wind and temperature were probably contributing factors. Ultimately, if you cannot out climb the terrain or obstacles in your path it's time to wait or lighten the load.
Density altitude, not producing full power or overloaded.
Overloaded... the blades were bending like hell... look at 1:16
Good observation ; )
Kind of inevitable wasn't it? Wait it out, have a good kip overnight, then fire it up at dawn when the ambient temperature is nice and low. These days we are obsessed with delay, but this is one delay that would have saved the chopper, and saved the pilot a lot of embarrassment. The pilot has the last word!
Why not go in two trips? It's not like it was hot LZ...
"...And for my next move I will demonstrate using the tailrotor as a Wirecutter."
U Evil ol'Chap !! :D
Loll
Maybe it wasn't a pilot flying it. Maybe it was a UA-cam commenter.
MichSignMan No, it was probably a stupid Yank.
I used to fly in 212s at least once a week for years, never died.
I've got more than 2,000 hours of 412 PIC time and though it is a good helicopter, some of the models are simply underpowered. In this video, poor judgement and pilot decision making skills are what caused this helicopter to crash simply by creating a situation that could not be recovered from once over the trees. Sometimes, you have to actually think about the situation and have options before you commit to flight.
Classic63EType. This pilot is a complete & total dumbass, right from the word go, from his 1st lift off & rudder pedal turn in such a confined area.
That sounds like a concise description of the situation. As an amateur heli sim enthusiast, it's interesting to hear some insight into the situation from an experienced pilot. Even I thought those manoeuvres looked reckless in such an (extremely?) confined area, given the type of helicopter they where flying!
Oh I see what the pilot was trying to do now, at first I thought they were just showing off. After reading some comments, it looks different now. There were two attempts at departure, with the second at an even lower altitude. I think I would have given up after the first attempt, as I would think the turbine temps would be even less desirable than the first departure. Interesting.
When he failed to achieve transitional lift on the first attempt he should have landed and dropped some weight...
Classic63EType too bad you weren’t flying the helicopter old chap.
Hot and high..it is either overload or under power for a hot day take off..the pilot should abort take off long time before hitting trees.
Fucking around and fucking around... OK... now you broke it.
Esa es una demostración completa de lo que hay que hacer y de lo que no hay que hacer, very good, jejejeje
I have experienced this without the crashing part. Heavy and hot. Seems he tried a few times to get translational lift by taking a run and didn't get enough height to clear the trees. Go into a hover and try to go back the other direction. Use your height to get extra speed. In this case it didn't work and he lost reference to the pole when he did his turn. Bummer. Glad they didn't roll it over into a ball. Seems like a survivable crash. Maybe next time drop some guys and do two trips.
Curious, how does heat affect the ability to lift off?
@@josephalberta1145 I understand it now, thank you.
Also...the rotary wing being the rotor blades yeah?
From the spectator perspective, I would have run away after the first attempted takeoff.
Se nota que el piloto intentaba lograr sustentación, pero seguramente por estar muy pesado no lo logra y era de esperar que le diera a alguna cosa. Mal por no decir que había sobrepeso y suspender el despegue
I told Pablo not to eat that extra taco before he boarded......
Was the pilot trying to reach translational lift prior to reaching the trees? Knowing the helicopter cargo load and altitude above sea level would help in understanding what was happening.
Hot, Heavy, high, hispanic
High altitude+low power+heavy cargo=crash, every time!
Presumably, the pilot had been sampling some of that "Peruvian Gold" cargo prior to takeoff...
Pilot on 2 much cocaine, 412 loaded with too much cocaine... not enough speed=coming down....
You have summed it up perfectly.I wonder if he hadn't crashed on 3rd attempt how many attempts would he of had before he crashed or ran out of fuel.
Showing off rarely pays off. Situational awareness goes out the window.
Pilot : huh huh. I don't know how to fly this fuckin thing
Over loaded and under powered
too heavy,bad humidity,and well stupid crew.
Perfect example of why airshow must not be improvised.
..and in a split second, the pilot wasted half of Nicaragua's annual military budget.
I watched a guy try to take off in an overloaded Piper once, it did not end well, all on board died. He just cleared the fence and that is as high as he got. He was an experienced pilot however it seems that a lot of folks throw the weight and balance sheets in the trash or just never use them. It is almost like, screw altitude power, weight and all else , just make it work, well it won't.
Christopher Smith Forgive me but when you say a Piper, do you mean those yellow Piper Cubs I see at every small airport?
Unbelievable lack of judgement, planning, and most of all he does not know the 412 limitations.(Used to fly one for a living)
If at first you don't succeed, try try again.. until you hit poles, wires, and sh**.
The pilot was obviously never in control of the craft but none of the spectators seemed to notice.
Everybody, please, just lean back so we can get this thing up. Future Darwin award candidates.
Like the original Huey, they just don't got enough power.
:( waste of such a good helicopter.
martin joseph bell is not junk, the pilot are junk and Bell create amazing machines I can assure you that.
martin joseph compared to ?
@James Norton Lol seriously?
412 isn't a great vertical lifter... and this bird looked grossly overloaded, in a confined area with no wind.
At 1:59 you can see the tail rotor hit either the pole or something attached to the pole. That is what brought it down on top of pilot error.
The world is a little smaller than he thought it was. Tight quarters to be maneuvering like that.
That is one HEAVY bird! Only in South Africa.…..😮
I know very little about helicopters but as soon as I saw the first attempt I was feeling extreme urges to GTFO and watch from behind a thick tree at a distance. It made me nervous seeing so many people standing around this copter which was obviously not fully under the pilot's control. It looked like his tail rotor was gonna strike the trees to the right each time! When copters crash, usually the main rotor blades violently self destruct and go flying sideways, you don't wanna be anywhere near that!!!
do your weight and balance, find density altitude, then the POH will show hige and hoge and list available power. Also, running takeoff isn't an option in a confined area, if it doesn't feel right, park it and drop cargo,fuel, or wait for the temp to drop, sometimes even 10° is enough.
Sure, they were supposed to ascend vertically and put forward motion when almost clear of the tree hights
When it comes to flying anywhere south of the US border all I have to say is 5 words: Fly at your own risk!!
Years ago I went on a cruise to Mexico. Where I went to had helicopters that could take you to see the Mayan ruins. I was really looking forward to it but when I got there I discovered they had ancient rickety old Sikorsky H-34s that looked like they were held together with duct tape and super glue! After watching one take off and hearing how bad the motor sounded I said hell no to that. Well, about 2 weeks later I heard one had gone down in the jungle en route to the ruins killing/injuring everyone on board including some tourists. Seeing how this idiot pilot in this video was trying to take off an overloaded helicopter doesn't exactly bode well to how good their pilots are trained either!
And our new method of shutting the power off on overdue payments
If you can't climb out of ground effect its probably a sign that maybe you're overloaded and should give up.
I don't even qualify as an amateur so my opinion means nuts. It just didn't *sound* like it was making enough power and the whole time I'm thinking set it down and try again later. Reason being, it looks like a tropical setting and I have heard of not getting enough lift because of altitude and heat (can't remember the term). If you're gonna crash one though, that looks like the way to do it. Nice and low.
If you're hot and heavy and have no lift, clap your hands.
Looked like he couldn't get lift due to being overloaded. How many passengers on board.
Somebody left a #8 washer off the rotor washplate controller.
Why does the chopper look like it’s moving in slow motion while spectators are at normal speed?
Even Stevie wonder seen that coming
Why haven’t the trees been trimmed and telephone poles moved?
standing around that is just plain crazy.
Apostando con plata ajena , y así quieren salarios exorbitantes las altas cupulas militares ecuatorianas haciendo cagadas y exigiendo beneficios que no gozan los sencillos ecuatorianos de a pie, se pierden muchos aviones de TAME Y VIDAS accidentados también por lanzados envez de seguir procedimientos .
Over max gross weight... gets em every time.
Too many pigs, goat's, and chickens in chopper. Wonder what animal was trying to sit on pilots lap
he was flying exhibition for the crowd, showing off and just trimmed the cross arm on that pole.
this would never be allowed in the US.
I like decisive people. Try until you can't anymore :)
I have to wonder about the weight and balance. I have no idea what's on board, but it sure looked as though the was a pretty good rotor flex going on.
As a person with 0 flight time I can truly say, he fucked up.
Desde el primer minuto se veía que se iba a accidentar, algún principiante estaba al frente de los controles
I first wrote a comment more than 6 years ago. It should have been painfully obvious that the helicopter did not want to fly. It looks as though the aircraft may have been overloaded to begin with and the pilot was hoping to gain enough speed to take advantage of effective translational lift, where the rotor system is able to produce more efficient lifting action due to a larger induced flow of "clean" air eather than just the very turbulent air created while hovering in ground effect.
If the aircraft was not ready to fly on the first attempt, what was the pilot hoping for? A miracle? If you are flying helicopters, you depend on knowledge, training, and, hopefully, superior judgment, rather than pushing the threshold of performance.
I still maintain my story. This could easily have been prevented and the pilot should have recognized that the helicopter was just not going to climb out of that confined area. I've been flying helicopters for many years and each and every flight requires planning and evaluation for each situation, especially when high gross weight and high temperature are taken into consideration.
I don't know the result of the accident, but, no matter what, it coudn't be good.
very good looking helicopter, looks could really kill
Very poor judgment by the pilot! He is totally at fault here.
Being that a out of balance problem could get u a broken neck.
After realizing I was over weight I would not had tried a second attempt.
I personally would have been thankful to escape a crach the first time.
"Get to da choppa"....No! Don't get to da choppa!!
DIEGO YOURE DOOIN SOMETHIN WRONG!
Where should we practice,how bout this lttle soccor field in the woods great idea
sooo...that ended the Honduran air show?
Why did the pilot introduce left pedal? If he knew he wasn't going to make it he should have used left cyclic and got it on the ground away from whatever it was he hit.
Avión??? Es un helicóptero
Too heavy, effective translational lift (ETL) not feasible in such a confined space. Pilot error
If they wanted to get some transitional lift, that small area wasn't near enough to gain any airspeed. This sucks to see.
Too heavy?
Pablo Maidana he is too heavy. He is trying a take off 2 times, using ground effect to give him more power to reach transitional lift, but never makes it tho. He should have tried ones, and the unloaded some of his cargo, then would have been able to take off.. I see no showing off..
Well that sucks, pilot trying to give the local kids/villagers a good show and doesn’t clear the tail rotor. Damn messed up a completely good machine.
That pole jumped right out
There should be a flight mechanic in charge of checking for obstacles, the pilots cannot see everything.
It's obvious that there were too many helicopter experts on board.
You just know he was torquing and temping out the entire time while he was hovering around like an idiot.
Tail rotor strike. Main rotor strike. Then sits there on the ground running. What a deal?
Seems gravity got a hold of things once again.
That was the most uneventful heli crash ever.
Eso les pasa por abusivos, se dan cuenta que está muy pesado y aún así insisten, pues tomen para que lleven🤣🤣
Trees low power lines ... what could possibly go wrong ??
That liquid was the oil from the transformer.
Tried to go translational with no room because he was too heavy. He knew he couldn't do a max power take off because he was over weight!
He was just delivering it to his brother's junk yard which is at the end of the field.
High, Hot, and Heavy.... oh, and ya turned your TR into a fuckin pole...
translation: “The helicopter crashed!”
NO soy piloto, pero se puede ver que la aeronave esta fallando o con sobrepeso, varios intentos y nada que logra subir, era lógico que algo estaba pasando , muy pendejos.
Too bloody heavy and HOT only a fool tries that many times
the helo looks new and mint condition, nothing unusual seen outside not even excessive smoke from the engines and exhausts, I`ve seen like this on a 212 but it got away safely with almost 350 lbs over it's mtow.
Knew they were in trouble when the clown pilot didn’t pull into a hover and do a power check. Instead he tried to use speed to gain translation and simply ran out of space.
Looked doomed from the beginning.
why dont they check for overload just going vertical to start with
great pilot, congratulations.
That's how PNP Chopper crashed
Es hermosos bendiciones pilotos
The pilot decided to ram his tail rotor into that power line pole. I don't get it.
Another Pisco Sour per chance?
David Rasmussen jummyyyyyy