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Loading Percussion Guns - Use Lube?
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2023
- Update to the videos "No Lube VS Lube", Parts I & II. The results found during cleaning the barrels, and the group size after prolonged shooting, indicate a noticeable difference. This information may be useful for some shooters, especially those just beginning.
That's great info, well illustrated. Thanks.
Another great video sir. I tried all kinds of lubes, wads, standing on my head and I agree with you. A nice soft (between Crisco and Chapstick) consistency lube works best over the ball/conical.
I started shooting Triple 7 fffg in my pistols (both revolvers and percussion single shots I have built) because BP is tough to find and I am down to 39 pounds of real BP (as it keeps ATF happy to be below 50 pounds) and shoot BP pretty much only in my Flintlock pistols and rifles.
I am currently experimenting with a .610” card wad, below a lubricated. .610 felt wad below my patched round ball in a 38” Colerain radius rifled barrel Albritch pattern flintlock and having better luck with patches not getting blown out around the ball with a full 120 grain charge of Swiss 2F. I am going to the Whittington Center at the end of the month to run some longer range accuracy tests… assuming my 63 year old eyes do their part!
Thank you again young man and God bless
Great information, thanks. I’ve only shot enough patched round ball to understand what you are talking about with patches not holding up. I remember reading that folks have found parts of hornet nests in possible bags. That stuff is pretty fireproof.
My brother is about 75 miles from Whittington. Have been there shooting a dozen times-unbelievable, and seldom crowded. Can’t say enough good things about it. Thanks again for your comment. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 you are welcome sir. I have been going to the Whittington center since 1992… I have been blessed to watch it grow. I have hunted elk there and help guide elk hunters in 1995. I shot the BPCR matches with my Sharps rifles many times. I am from Wyoming and transferred with my job of 41 year to Texas where I retired. So I always stop on my way home to spend the night there and go shooting of course. I watch your channel religiously as I always pick up something new and for that… I thank you.
The difference in the cleaning waters is certainly stiking and convincing as are the accuracy results. Very nice job DJ
Thanks Doris. O.R.
I noted the Pants Leg! I use one tied the same as my Stoners custom Bag holster.
I always Thought I lubed mostly for cleaning and protection from flash rust.
Thanks for Doing the Work! to Show US!
How is excellent demonstration old Ranger thank you
Great Video. Informative and the reasoning was demonstrated. I shoot a lot of cast bullets in my modern firearms and the right Lube make a difference. good video,, keep them coming. -Dave
The other advantage to lubing this way is the gun holds more powder wthout the wad.This can give more Power if you Hunting and it sometimes more accurate because the Ball is Closer to the Forcing Cone .
👍🏼 what a big difference good to find out. Thanks
Well that was an amazing difference. Thanks for the video Sir. Very interesting as usual. Thumbs-up ~John
Great video and comparison.
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Impressive! Thank you.
Wow what a difference..
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Definitely shows that lube helps. I started doing Is lubricating my gun like blackie thomas. I don't add it to the cylinder chambers. You dip a brass barrel brush into the lube and run it through the barrel between every other cylinder. Just 1 quick swipe. I find that works the beat for me, and I get very good accuracy.
yes even if you cover chambers i feel like you can do every other shot, or every other chamber or something, lubing the arbor should always be done as well
definitely seems like a much better way, what do you use as lube i have been using mink oil
I use 2 lubes, one Lambs Tallow mixed with bees wax. But lately its been mostly blackies gun butter. It's the best lube I have ever used. It's Magic. And yes I do lube the Arbor as well.
You should try lubing under the ball. How I load is after the powder I use a hard vegetable fiber card on top. Then the lube (only a pea size) then the ball on top. No lube gets blown off and it's not messy at all. I keep my lube in a syringe so I can squirt out just a little at a time.
If winter doesn’t close early this year, I’m going to give that a try. That’s always seemed to me where it might do the most good. After all, the long range BPCR shooters have been doing that I believe. Probably a market for little grease balls the size of a pea that are in some capsule form. Market as Sneaky Steve & Old Ranger’s “Great Balls of Fire”. Anyway, I’ve never had many hopes that a simple wad, no matter what”secret” lube is on it, would do much for keeping fouling soft. But, I really need to run some tests before saying much. That reminds me, I’ll probably also need to find a use for two yards of quarter inch felt. O.R.
do Tell? I was thinking of somehow working this idea out for my paper cartages. and after others did some testing, I want to lube inside the skirts of some Minie balls.
@@davefellhoelter1343 Hi Dave. If you don’t mind, I could use a refresher on loading those mini balls. I did some of that in the 80’s, but forgot the procedure. I do remember getting a Lee (we called the slug a garbage can) stuck half way down and had to finish it with a half inch steel rod and five pound hammer. I don’t remember after that if I had to use a damp rag between shots, or the procedure. Thanks. O.R.
"I Think" this about how I shot my rod? still looking at the spot. I was dealing with a ball that would Not set, other rods, hammer and such. @@oldranger3044
"I am" thinking of greasing the Inside of the Minie's skirt to work like the wood plugs of history.
as a hydraulics guy "I think" the incompressible grease may help form the skirt to the riffling for better ballistics similar to the wooden plugs job of wedging the lead into form, and easy clean?
Great video. Thanks.
Great example.
I agree with the below comments. I really like the ideas and test you ran, its the kind of thing very few if any do. I am just starting into the BP Revolver and am having issues with accuracy despite a rested shot and using the Eypal on an old set of glasses that allows me to see the sights and a target again. My shots should be better than they are, so this gives some idea of an area to explore more. Maybe I do have poor barrels on my guns or maybe its the wads, kind of hard to sort out with our temps but again its well worth looking at.
Keep your ears on Captain. I’m about to post a 5 part series that you might find helpful. Thanks for your comment. O.R.
Cleaning is definitely a breeze when you use lube and clean it right at the range, the barrel part at least.
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WOW that's brilliant science 'OR' - which sequence did you use Glock magazines in? Cheers Cobber.
OR,being that you are doing all these highly scientific tests you need to get a white lab coat and maybe some scrubs??? The results were definitely eye opening!!! That's some pretty impressive lube you make there!! Excellent results and video!! Yours are always worth watching! Safe travels.
Boy, that reminds me of the saying years ago that the boys in the white coats are coming to take you away. Maybe I better keep an eye out for them, I’m thinking some of my family is beginning to wonder about me. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 what I meant was a lab coat !!!
@@williamgregory6684 Yes, that is what I figured you were thinking, that just reminded me about an saying we used years ago about white coats, so I knew you were talking about the lab style. Now that I think about it, I do have a duster that might be close enough. O.R.
Greasing was also never done historically and it can help for chain fires but the best way is having that slightly oversized ball for your chamber. But I have to bet someone figured it out at some point to make cleaning easier.
I am starting to think that the powder they used was possibly different when considering fouling than what we get (or used to get) today. O.R.
I wonder when they started doing it for cartridges even, as they lubed lead projectiles for leading as well. I just roll my lead bullets in the same stuff sometimes to help with smokeless loads. With paper cartridges its not like this was ever a possibility, which is all they used.
according to what I've read paper cartridges did come with lube on the conicals for military use
@@ronaldkennedy2401 would make sense especially if they had a groove for it
@@ronaldkennedy2401 The paper cartridges were just dipped into a wax type lube up to the paper, this was as much to stop the lead projectile from corrosion as well as act as a lube. Chris B.
Without doubt lube is essential for accurate shooting as you prove here, but shooters point out that lube was not recommended back then, I am sure the wax dip on paper cartridges contributed some form of lubrication, but that would not give much lube to the arbour, which on something like a Remington is critical, I do not think a percussion pistol would get many shots through it even in a military confrontation, so we are pushing things in our use of these today, I think also the BP fouling back then was different because the powder was not as we use today, I have tried a wax lube wad over the powder, similar to that which I use in 45-120 BP cartridge, but I still find just lube over the seated projectile works much better, modern shooters appear to shy away from lube as they consider it messy, but in that case I think they should not be shooting C&B pistols, perhaps an air gun would be a better choice for them! Stay safe, and enjoy the sun, 39 degs C here, so very nice at last! Chris B.
Like you once said, too bad we are so far apart in distance, because we sure seem close on ideas. I may have told you, but believe I ran across evidence for the idea that the powder was different, in fact, I don’t think the fouling was hard like today’s. That would explain lots of things, like why there isn’t much information on using lube. I figured too that most engagement was short duration and multiple reloads and pinpoint accuracy probably wasn’t the main concern with the handgun. We use them differently today, but I suppose there could have been some competition going on then also. So, my evidence is a statement by Ned Roberts in his book “The Muzzleloading Cap Lock Rifle”. He says that the hunter wouldn’t have to swab the barrel between shots if he used a “clean, moist burning powder”. Tells me that all powders weren’t created equal. Some were leaving the fouling soft so it didn’t build up in the bore ?? Again thanks for your thoughts and comments. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 One thing I forgot to mention and that is when soaking the barrel/cylinder prior to cleaning I use a good measure of Anti Freeze in the water, I found that as antifreeze has a very good rust inhibitor it does not cause any corrosion in those hidden corners, although I always give the components a good blast with the air line when I finish , that removes almost all water. Stay safe and enjoy the sunshine! Chris B.
@@453421abcdefg12345 I’ve not tried the anti-freeze, but the compressor works well, especially in spots like screw holes. Weather changing to Fall, leaves starting to turn. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 : Being cautious by nature I tried splashing water with anti freeze on a freshly filed piece of steel, with a control just plain water, the plain water rusted in 12 hrs, but the anti freeze was totally free of corrosion. We are still at 37 degs C here, but the grass is covered with leaves as the hot weather has caused them to fall, a job for the leaf blower! Chris B.
What are you using for lube, please?
Great video. I've been curious is there a certain reason you sight in to 21 yards. Is that a competition range or something or just how far it is from your shooting spot. Just curious great videos!
No problem. I wish there was something significant (like that’s a mature distance), but it’s just the way it worked out. It’s a bit more confidence building than 25 yds, and I can hit spent pop cans pretty regularly at that distance. I set up that slanted sand trap for point-shooting originally. You can immediately see where the bullet strikes when missing which gives the brain (or whatever’s left or mine) the immediate feedback it needs to acquire the hand-eye muscle coordination. I’ve been doing that for 30+ years, and if nothing else, I can recycle lead from the sand and cat poop. Thanks. O.R.
@oldranger3044 Thanks for the reply really like your setup! I just started casting recently for my Ruger old army and 50 cal tc hawken. I did notice though looks like my cast 457 is going to be a lot better than my store bought 457 . The cast 457 actually shaved a good ring. Where as before when I had shot store bought I had chain fires even with wads. Store bought would hardly shave anything just a partial part of a ring these cast should work a lot better I hope. Plus I'm going to lube over the balls.
@@ar1chris1 Thanks Chris. I’m interested in hearing how things work, especially since you’re experiencing chain fires 🔥 (you’re now an official member). Casting for me is relaxing, and stress releasing. So far it has only affected my memory, but I can still find my way home, and most of my guns. O.R.
Dramatic difference! Your target said 1 cc of 3f, how many grains is that?
1 cc is 14.5 - 15 gr FFF Goex according to my scale. 🔥. That Pietta seems to do well with low to mid 700’s. 900’s seem to get more likely to give me some flyers, but that’s the thing, seems like each shooting session can contradict something. O.R.
Thanks for the answer.@@oldranger3044