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Pietta Remington 1858 & J-D Conical Bullet
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Made an attempt to reduce the group size using the J&D conical bullet. As often, things didn't quite work out as planned, but did discover a problem using the bullet in my 1858 Pietta Remington Replica.
You got a great group with the 58 Remington on that 3rd target!
Group # 3 was very nice!
Howdy O.R. I had the same problem seating the J&D bullets so I ended up sizing them down to .454 (they come out at .460)
This helped significantly.
Good plan. So far my results have been that if someone was a good shot, and aiming at me at 100 yds, I’d feel pretty safe for a couple shots. If they had a trigger jerk to the right and the bullet took an unannounced turn left, oh well, everybody has to go sometime. Thanks Jake, I know I’m loosing muscle mass, but that loading was ridiculous. I’ll bet a brass frame 51 would never be the same. Great work with the powders. O.R.
Good work O R.
My wife would have looked at me like I was Trappist C
Awesome grease gun there you got
When it works right, I'm happy. When I need to refill, not as happy, and when the temps go into the 40's or 50's, not at all happy. Thanks. O.R.
Excellent informative video as always my Friend. Thumbs up ~John
First video I’ve watched of yours. I don’t have any black powder guns. But it was interesting
Thanks. 😃. O.R.
I see what you mean about the mis location using the J&D projectiles, there is a great risk of the spigot locating to one side of the chamber, that will give a very asymmetric weight distribution, but the star here was that 3rd group of round balls! That is an outstanding group! Are the J&D cast from pure lead? I have tried hollow base bullets, but they are not good, I think the soft lead is flared out on leaving the muzzle and causes stability problems. Stay safe! Chris B.
Yes, pure lead, and otherwise I would have used my hydraulic press. While I was trying to load them I was thinking about how easy it would be to loosen the arbor on a brass frame gun by trying to load an oversized or hardened bullet. Especially in the 51 style guns there would be a good amount of side pressure on the arbor. I’m betting that could be one reason the brass frame gained a bad rep. Another of course would be firing heavy bullets with heavy loads. Anyway, all ended well, and appeared from that third string that the Remington survived. One comment suggested sizing the J&D first which would have helped. Another suggested the Kerr bullet, which I may order. Just don’t plan at present to do much shooting with the conicals, but the Kerr sounds tempting, but the cost of playing will be about $ 90,,,,but then its all in the name of science. Oh, I just shot two strings of the paper rings in the Walker. Let’s just say it wasn’t one hole, and it took 20+ minutes to tape up 12 rounds. I had planned to chuck the two cavity mold in the 4-jaw and remove the band that causes the recess (one cavity only), but the handles wouldn’t clear the lathe bed. Need to talk up the idea of a Father’s Day 10 inch lathe. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 The "stretching" of brass frames is no doubt caused by people attempting to load oversize ball in these pistols, I think the 1851 style rammer is less efficient than the creeping type, but overloads are also a bad thing in brass framed pistols, when you think we are probably putting more shots through these guns than ever people did back in the day you can see why they get worn out, the idea of skimming the spigot out more in the mould is really good, I just wish I lived closer, 30 minutes in a 4 jaw chuck would see that done, I can swing 14" on my gap bed lathe, stay safe! Chris B.
Uberti loading lever is shaped for conicals. Pietta for round balls
I use the .44 Kerr conical …
Same here, work great!
Absolutely the diameter of these cylinders are smaller than most think. Which in my experience the bore is slightly smaller. I mentioned before I did a video comparing Remington navy models bore diameters uberti. 371, peitta .3665. Yet individuals will insist the bore diameters. 375. Which proves if you hear it enough you stop critically thinking. Recently I've hear multiple content creators talking about cracks at the forcing cones, when using conversion 45 colt cylinders. Blaming to hot of loads. Maybe, however I tend to believe that it's hard cast .452 swagging into a true. 44 caliber bore. I also believe that when manufacturers of cylinder conversion recommend no jacketed bullets, it's misleading to suggest that it is the rate twist causing jacket failures. It's bore size.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. 😉
Mountain man
You better Mountain Man, because it sounds correct. Wow, I was just on some forum looking for something and came across several stating that the bore diameter of the 36 calibers is .375. Wanted to comment, then why are they called 36 calibers? Dah. Parrots don't think, well, maybe actual ones do. Oh, that's why I was reading, because I was trying to get info on the conversion cylinders as I just got a 45 Colt for the 60 Uberti. You bet, that is a .440 bore, and even a .451 soft conical (that normally gets sized down by the chamber) won't like it much. I suspect anything harder is like the camel through the needle eye.
Anyway, I was looking for some info on what groups look like using HBWC in the 36 conversion cylinders. Didn't check everything, best was Mike blasting some offhand and admiring that three seemed to be touching. Thanks for the information and comment. O.R..
@oldranger3044 so I have made a custom heal based bullet mold for my .36 cal heal @ .358 and main lands at .372 and a sizer die at .368 for the peitta. Slugging the bores is worth the extra effort. For the .44 I've been considering . 447 bullet molds but truthful need to slug barrels yet again to be sure, as I have both uberti and peitta model to consider
hollow base does ok
Mountain man
@oldranger3044 when I designed my .44 cap n ball bullets I found that my heal absolute maximum diameter with some fit difficulty was .446 so I want with a. 445 diameter. I suspect a Grove diameter of .444- 446ish. I have a .449, and a. 448 sizer die. I will slug before to long before I make custom mold. Thinking Keith style 220, 240 gr for my Remingtons
@@StevenMMan I don’t think I’ve asked, or maybe did and forgot, who is making the molds? I think you’re on the right track with designing because what’s available is less than desirable in most cases, or if there’s something good, it’s not well known. O.R.
Round ball wins again. Well every time actually
Well. back to the drawing board. and That's the way it is. even in modern metallic rounds. Peace - Dave
Nice shootin !
if you used 456 balls so you cut a washer you would get better groups with round ball.
I had the same problem I basically turned them into wadcutters an my gun shoots round balls better it a waste of money time an lead
Seems like I keep trying to, and occasionally have had some luck, to get the “silver bullet “ of a conical. Now, I’m thinking no such animal. Appears your name is the same as the builder of a hawken pistol that I met the owner of. O.R.
use hollow base bullets.
Any suggestion on what mold or mold suppliers ? O.R.
Try reaming your cylinder. All my Pietta's are tight. I ream to .4525.
Just a question: Do you know what original chambers were bored at? O.R.
@@oldranger3044 They taper in, at the mouth they were like .451 but quickly swage down to much further. The guide on my reamer keeps me from going too far down. I now have a consistent diameter when I load but still keep the taper near the base. Land to land the barrel is .452. Thanks for another great video and awesome shooting. I also get good accuracy with Lee 220 grain boolits and .457 RB.
@@SuperSneakySteve Thanks for getting back on this. Have a great shooting season and you stay safe. O.R.