A World of Warships Rant Review: Incomparable
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- We talk about the super weak ship Incomparable, that isn't worth your steel but at least is more "fun" than Shikishima so get it over that...I guess. Captain build and armor discussion at the end.
You can hear my mic in this one but not the game for some reason, oh well. Balance department was COOKING with Incomp, even more insane is that this ship got something like 3 to 5 buffs in testing. Insanity.
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Inconsistent.. not at 15km, but at 10km, broadside Montana...out of 6 shots, aimming deck level center ship, you get 2 misses (over/under in front/behind). 2 overpens, 1 bounce, 1 pen for a grand total of 8k damage.. If you aim water line, 1/2 the shots will go in water in do nothing. it's actually consistent.. consistently that bad, with a very rare 1-2 cits. The real problem with it is the current Meta, it's a ship built on stealth, but CV's will keep you spotted, so cannot push in.. Then you get stuck in. Yes, you can Bounce a lot, but that's only relative if one ship fires on you, typically more often have 3-4 ships on you, and it does NOT hold up to focus fire, and cannot bounce AP in that many directions.. and plenty of cruisers that will Cit you from the side. I've also had CV's hit it for 40k+ with 1 squad of bombers (3 passes) and that's game.
Are death by 4 ships focusing you and CVs humping you your definition of problems innate to a ship?
@@hagostaeldmann Partially, yeah. Why do they focus? Because it's such an easy target to cit with AP, it cannot turn to avoid the shots (if it does, a BB will have time to shoot 2 salvos at your broadside because it takes so long to turn). Getting 3 fires in one salvo is pretty common. A CV is going to be able to get 2-3 full torpedo runs on you because the turning is so bad (and if you do turn, you'll get slapped by BB from 20km out). Torpedo protection is pretty low, so that CV torp run is going to take at least 1/2 your life.. Then with little top deck armor, the bomb runs will take the rest of your health. Even with the super heal, it cannot soak up the damage like most other BB's can. It's built as an Ambush ship, but with inconsistent goes that tend to overpen more than cit, getting spotted by CV's most of the game, or by subs/dd's... If your nose in,, can only get 4 guns going, versus 6-8 on most BB's, so your lucky to get 1 Pen hit. yeah, I'd say it's got a lot of innate problems.
When it works though (CV not spotting, etc).. It can be loads of fun if it slaps the cruisers. With current Meta, that's pretty rare.
@@mayhemquads9147Little late, but genuinely, you’ve gotta position better, and this ship incentivizes that even more. A cv kills everything, that’s just rule of thumb and doesn’t matter. Also it’s kinda like when fighting against super lights in any other bb, you have to wait til they angle just enough to arm your shells. I don’t know though. I’m more of a dd main so take this with a grain of salt
My first Steel ship which i got last years was Ragnar 100% love it!!!
now with the supercontainers being magical this year ive got enough steel to use with coupon and get the Incomp. U think as a player who loves Renown 44 incomp gonna tickle my pickle?
Been thinking about getting this for a while. I am ~2k steel away (so prob will get it this CB season)
Love my Bourgogne but I always wanted Incomp. As a person who got Siegfried but has a love/hate relationship with it.. is Incomp similar in terms of missing shells?
I dont think Incomp has a place in CBs, but what about ranked?
Incomp is slightly less accurate than Siegfried, but incomp has overmatch on ever ship in the game unlike Sieg. So when you hit 3/6 shells in Incomp, as long as you aim for 32mm armor, you still get funny damage numbers. Sieg takes way more skill to do well in. I 100% have a love/hate with Siegfried, but I love incomp.
Incomp is a demon in ranked, and honestly it isn't even that bad in CBs up through storm. It's the BB i play in CBs when we are stomping and want to have a little fun.
@hagostaeldmann overmatch is overrated. sap is better. on top of that, any 32mm that you over match......a whopping 1/10th alpha damage. while youre shooting 508s at my bow im shooting 406mm at the superstructure for more damage agains the same ship. im also with my 406s overmatching cruisers just like you.
@@toyslucas1351 I think you misunderstand the meanings of overmatch and overpenetrations
Inconsistency is the result of citadel lowering and the fact boats don’t have them anymore, if this was 2016/2017 wows people would see battleships having citadels have citadels halfway or a quarter way up their broadside, and people would get devstruck going flat. Isn’t that what we all want again? Right?
they claim to want ships to blow up when flat but claim incomp sucks because it blows up when flat. bb players in 2024 tbh
I fucking hate brawlings with battleships because every fucking battleship has torps these days
And among the battleships i'll never brawl against, incomparable is near the top of the list, overmatch, torps, hydro and demented armor scheme that basically doesn't get cit at close range
Actually i'm pretty sure that this car get the special WG hidden nose plate that make it so you can never nose cit it even with perfect aim
unsure, I don't think it does but like i say in the video you're aiming at a spot about the size of the turret ring on a dd turret if you're trying to cit this thing up close in the nose...probably just won't happen
Im thinking about getting my First Steel ship After Silver league in 2 weeks im Conan be able really can’t decide between Incomp and lauria . I got sansonetti but Not the british Captain but Treaty want both . I kinda dont know which one to get
@@loiselxd2084 lauria better in random, incomp better in ranked. You dont really need Cunningham on incomp, nowhere near as valuable as sansonetti on lauriaa
Great discussion ... Wisconsin is a beast, Incomparable rewards good play and punishes bad, I think that is what makes it such a good ship.
it's why, to me, despite being objectively overpowered it is satisfying unlike ships like Vincent and Bungo that feel like no skill was required.
@@hagostaeldmannlol I like them
Was considering getting this ship but was hesitant because of my doubts on the guns. I own hood and vanguard, and while they are good ships in some respects, i just found the shells dont penetrate well. Does incomp suffer from this issue as well? I guess it might not matter if youre taking all engagements at less than 15km but it would be nice to know.
I have finally gotten enough steel to buy a steel ship.
and as a lunatic, I'm thinking of getting the incomp
any other recommendations?
I have no idea what kind of tea the brits were drinking when they got their idea for this ship, but i want some.
ayahuasca
It's vodka that makes this design "Incomprehensible".
What you want in this ship is matchmaking with no CVs, DDs and subs. Then you own the map.
For sure nice when that happens. but you do pretty solidly against subs IMO, long dcp with coal mod and longer ASW range than concealment range and hydro help a lot.
I think people expect lazer beams and double citadels evrytime. With nostalgia thinking that's how the game used to be. I smh when I see CCs get new ships and complain that they don't have lazer beams evry Salvo.
don't get me wrong, I wish every citadel in the game was double the height it currently is, but it isn't. I don't know why they can't accept that hitting a target that is 1-2 meters tall with 100m vertical dispersion means that it will not happen often
I really like the ship but i cant win with it. It has the same problem for me as i have with Marseille. I do way above average dmg frags etc but sit at only 42% winrate. Ok bbs are not my strongest shiptype but my overall skill should at least net my the average winrate in this ship that is 51% something. Thats the same wit hthe Marseille. Before i got Incomp i knew it would be the same as Marseille as the playstyles are kinda similar.
Maybe i just play to passive and have to take more risks and push more. I dont really know
ships like marseille, incomp, castilla, austin are best when you utilize very well timed and CONTROLLED aggression, none of them have the sustain to be constantly aggressive but they also dont work super well when played passive except maybe castilla and some extent marseille because HE farm.
controlled and well timed aggression is very hard to get right especially in sub/cv lobbies
@@hagostaeldmann I have played alot of Shuffle mode recently with Incomp to get used to playing more aggresive. I also changed from range mod to reload to force myselfe get closer. The improvements i made in shuffle (timings on pushing and aiming) showed over to randoms. First i was worrying more about my survival rate but i found out for me shit on it if you can kill 1-2 important ships this can win the game to break the defense and to turn the tides eve nif that means you die with low damage
What do you mean when you say you "park"? I'm recently getting back into the game after not playing for quite a number of years and I'm trying to relearn a lot of techniques lol
17:35 He means just hanging out angled ~12km away. Because of the speed and concealment it isn't much of a risk because you can just dip if you don't like the engagement anymore. The enemy battleships (and a ton of cruisers as well lol) are incapable of extending the engagement if you decide you don't like it anymore and are also incapable of escaping it if you don't want them to. Being able to dictate the engagement, not just the opening, but also whether or not to prolong it is insanely powerful... especially when you overmatch and out dpm them.
@@dunuhn very well explained.
I think most people get mad that bbs get cit when they go broadside is that theres alot and i mean alot that have demented armor schemes that do this, this is a wargaming issue as apart from that one time back when they raised conq and lowerd iowa or whatever they have not changed armor schemes majorly within a new ship.
It goes back to that they dont want to change stats on anything and dont bother they fart out some dogshit let the testers play it for missions to get a smaland and have ironic conversations about ""being under NDA"" as if we dont know what the ship is already and then add it through some early access only whales get it nobody cares about and now its the game no real interesting or good stats changed whatsoever
oh wow we gave the reload a 0.5 buff oh wow we buffed the rudder
just so annoying and then they go around and buff colmbo and vermont even though both ships were fine
Unpopular opinion about Vermont: they actually nerfed it. Yes, they made the concealment dumb, stupid acceleration, fast heals. They made it much much easier to sail around in and stay alive. But old Vermont printed white bars on battleships well past 20km, consistently, and now it struggles at even 18km. I played Vermont for the guns and nothing else and they nerfed the guns. It was the beginning of the trend of overmatch but low pen at range for BB design.
@@hagostaeldmann still devstrikes pretty much anything so
You don't know why people think Bourg is the best steel BB? 🤨 Maybe, and I'm just spit-balling here, it's because it is neck and neck with Ohio for having the highest win rate of ANY T10 BB, and also has the highest average dmg of ANY T10 BB. First steel ship? Bourg; resistance is futile.
and if you sort leaderboards by players that are actually good (top 25, 10, or 5 % of playerbase) Bungo is the highest winrate bb in the game. Not an argument.
@@hagostaeldmann Sorry dude, but that's just spin. 🤣 You can have a favorite or be super-Uni in a ship that most aren't, but it doesn't change the numbers. All new ships start with higher win rates, because better players have them - CCs, streamers, etc., but more games gives you BETTER DATA as to the realistic ability of ships, and ALL win rates fall. Vince was #1 at the end of last year, but no more. Bungo has been falling from it's high and will continue to because because it doesn't even have 73k in games yet. Incomp's coming up on 250K ; she's not going to get any better, and will probably fall a little more. Bourg has nearly 1M games and Ohio over than. Their data (and many older ships) is static and proves them superior across the board. A truly good ship doesn't need a "Flamu or PQ" to do well in it; everyone will do better than their norm in it. Incomp is a meme ship: fun, but kind of "meh."
@@Apollyon-er4ut I agree bourgis potato proof and a bad or mediocre player will be more successful with bourg than with incomp. This video isn't for those people.
I was shocked in the video when he was basically confused why Bourgogne is seen as the best steel bb. both are steel ships, but bourg is played by many weak players compared to incomp which is mostly played by the high skill players, yet, despite this bourg still has a better win rate. to somehow make the case that incomp is well armored shows your fundamental lack of armor scheme knowledge. Bourgogne despite being coated in 32mm will take way less AP damage than incomp thanks to its ingenious torpedo protection belt and the reverse sloped turtle back which requires 530mm to full pen and 600 to citadel. incomp gets citadel and full penned below 350 and takes upper belt full pens where's bourg does not
@@toyslucas1351 can you link the timestamp where I suggested bourgogne has worse armor than incomparable?