Its fantastic. You're never gonna cast a board wipe without 10 permanents on the board. You probably don't even have the 3 white mana without their being 10 total permanents on the entire battlefield lol
It's very efficient in what it does but I don't think I would ever play this. it's particularly good in a durdly white based control deck that is not very dependent on mana rocks and enchantments, but I enjoy playing to the board too much myself with all the permanent types. I'm not a fan of blowing up all the mana rocks from non-green decks either. I'd rather encourage playing non-green.
@@NitpickingNerds I will for sure use your link for TCG player I’m gonna be picking up some upgrades later this week. Thanks for the work you guys put in!
One of my favorites for certain decks is Dusk//Dawn; its almost a one-sided board wipe, and then later it's card advantage! 6 mana Elspeth is good in that way too
As always, gentlemen, keep up the great work. Also, may I just add... it's a problem when you find yourself scrambling to "add to cart" all the cards that Beezy is going off about "being terrible" just because you've never seen or played them... yeah. you know you do it too...
Im really digging Doomskar from kaldhiem right now. Playing a board wipe to the field as early as turn 2 that cant be interacted with? Now it just sits there for the rest of the game gnawing away at your opponents psyche to what it actually is. LOL Is the game going well for you? Ok just leave it. Is the game slipping away from you? Ok activate it.
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 yeah I've been thinking about tossing him into my Blim deck because a lot of the stuff is expensive and janky, I'd even call him pseudo-ramp
I used to use it on this weird Yarok standard thing I had going. The deck's rotated now but it was fun dropping Yarok back to reset for my next turn of ETB triggers
Man, no love for Slaughter the Strong? 3 mana, gets rid of the biggest threats most of the time, makes token and voltron decks cry, and it even gets around indestructible. I think it's great.
Completely agree on the switching out 4-mana, creatures only wipes. I had already done that for my decks before you said that here. One-two extra mana is well worth extra synergy.
Something that is interesting to me is that you'd think black would be close to white in number of middle ground board sweepers (the worse ones that don't compare to the top of your lists), but black isn't even remotely close. Like in the 5 Mana slot for white you have Fumigate, Winds of Rath, End Hostilities, Rout, and Slash the Ranks. At least 5 options at that CMC. What does black have in comparison? Crux of fate. That's it. Maybe Consume the Meek if you count that? The difference is one I find very interesting. Although diving into color differences is always going to get complicated.
“Good boardwipes cost between 3 and 5 mana” *starts looking nervously at my 3 copies of austere command that are in most of my white decks* Edit: a couple of minutes in and you gave austere command a compliment, I don’t have to question my card evaluation abilities luckily 😅
Regarding Nev's disk - it has a home in decks that can abuse it with Darksteel forge. Decks like Kozilek the great distortion. It also shines in mono red and mono black decks where you absolutely need to remove an enchantment.
Checkout "Chandra's Ignition". I play it in my Syr Gwyn deck and try to give her lifelink or deathtouch first. Becomes a 5 mana game ending board wipe. Especially when she is loaded up with equipments!
I'm a new player and I put tragic arrogance in a deck with Tergrid, God of Fright, without actually understanding just how good these cards are with each other. And then I played them together ... wow!
You've just convinced me to add Tragic Arrogance to my Syr Gwyn equipment voltron deck, because I only need one creature anyways, and if that creature is Gwyn, then my opponents won't be able to block it when they only have one creature left, due to menace.
I don't understand how Cleansing Nova gets lumped in with the Fumigate club. By your own criteria, the versatility of being able to wipe either all creatures or all artifacts + enchantments is pretty good. Feels like it's not at the very top, but still a tier above 5CMC creatures-only board wipes.
Agree with a lot of this except for Cleansing Nova, I think this card is great particularly in decks that are somewhat creature heavy Having the flexibility to destroy all artifacts and enchantments or creatures when you are behind is really good and its decently costed at 5 mana, it's similar to Austere command and Merciless Eviction but 1 less mana
I can also see use out of bontu’s last reconning in a deck like Alela or something similar where most of your mana is coming from artifacts. Not that it’s good, but there’s at least an argument there.
So one time I tried to build a deck of just board wipes with mageta the lion as the commander. Turns out when everyone else's cards are gone you are a prime target for the removal spells, so even if you have an indestructible card or two it won't last when 3 other people target it as revenge.
Ever tried Planar Collapse? 2cmc wrath of god attached to an enchantment, activates on your upkeep if there's 4 or more creatures on the board. I've really enjoyed playing it in my Lurrus deck, recasting it from the grave is fantastic. Same with using hall of heliod's generosity.
Bontu's Reckoning is really good when you have a Seedborn Muse type effect that triggers afterwards. You can float all your mana so you can still cast spells afterwards, and then Wilderness Reclamation or Muse will untap your stuff. 3 mana. Boom
I have to point out that I have had games where Hour of revelation wasn't live when I wanted it to be, but the card is still phenomenal. Still think it's one of the best white board wipes.
I've tried damn near every board wipe in Orzhov for my aristocrats deck, I still settled on Toxic Deluge, Damnation, and Wrath of God. They all end up being asymmetric regardless of what they do and being lower on the curve allows me to double spell a lot more. I did replace Wrath of God for Damn tho once it came out. Also all my wraths being in black helps with Mausoleum Secrets which can only tutor black cards.
Fated Retribution is a good Anti-Walker board wipe too... and sure it is expensive but it is instant speed. (I often have to remind people in the play groups I play with that it is an instant speed boardwipe... and it takes way too many by surprise. And the access to be able to do it instant speed has saved me several times.)
I like Bontu’s Last Reckoning in a budget deck with heavy artifact ramp or decks that can untap lands with cards like Wilderness Reclamation. However I agree that like 70% of the time it hurts to cast it because you either save half your mana for next turn or skip your next turn.
Love you guys' content. Great video as always. One card I would also like to put up as a honourable mention for best board wipe would be "Time Wipe". Yes it's 5 mana, yes it's sorcery speed, yes it hits only creatures, but it very often saves you from having to pay extra commander tax by bouncing your commander or reuse ETBs or simply just saving your best creature. I am a big fan of this card and I can honestly say it has over-performed in my experience. Also, I completely agree with Mr. Cherries about Merciless Eviction. It would be infinitely better if it was 1 less mana.
I play By Force rather than Vandalblast in my Zedruu deck for obvious reasons. Slash the Ranks is also very synergistic there, as I mostly gift people with noncreatures and would rather keep Zedruu alive when boardwiping (Tragic Arrogance is also great). Cool video as always, happy to be subscribed.
Is there a chance for a part 2? I would have liked to see your thoughts on some more board wipes from Blue, Black or Red other than the 2 most common. Also Settle the Wreckage, and what do you see as the difference between Cleansing Nova vs Austere Command?
Been thinking about running a GWB Anara/Ravos, Voltron, board wipe deck. Wipe the board, beat down with commander damage, repeat. Maybe play a portcullis to be very cheeky.
The funny thing about planeswalkers is because so many people see them as the weakest card in EDH, they completely ignore them in play until they’re nervous about the ultimate.
I'm brewing a superfriends deck, so my thought process is: "Is this a board wipe? It is a worthwhile board wipe." But thanks for this video. My next deck won't have a million board wipes, then this will be really useful.
Great episode guys. Really loving the content these days. I know its new but I realized you didn't talk about doomskar. Having the foretell makes its alot stronger than it looks.
I agree with most of the advice but as a Daretti player i am a big fan of Nev Disk... running Darksteel forge and/or myscosynth lattice with it and leaving nothing but your artifacts or commander on the board to tick it's way up to ultimate is quite a marvellous feeling...
I like Find//Finality in budget Golgari lists. The good board wipes in Golgaro are all expensive (Deluge, Damnation) and this is a cute flexible one. Another one I like is Chandra's Ignition, in decks like Xenagos in which it doubles as a wincon.
Surprised you guys didn't mention Fracturing Gust - the ability to have that effect at instant speed is really powerful, five mana isn't bad and the hybrid GW mana allows it to be more easily cast.
I would love to see a full analysis on the MDFC land cards with spells on the front. I know you guys praise the Mythic cycle, but I wanna see an analysis on the uncommons/rares. Do you still hold those up to the same level as swapping out a basic for them?
Great video as per usual! :) What do you think of Hour of Reckoning in a Token deck like let's say an Emmara Edh Deck. The Convoke can easily be done i would say so it's just 3W and it doesn't kill your Tokens.
I mean you can by force to whatever vandal blast is And you destroy what four artifacts? I think ifs worth running both because with by force you don’t destroy stuff you don’t want to And it can be x to the equivalent to Valndal anyway
I think a card like Bontu's Last Reckoning could be good if it just put a stun counter on whatever tapped for mana to cast it. Or just if you had to put a stun counter on 3 lands you control. Effectively paying 6 mana for a board wipe should be alright when that 6 mana is spread over 2 turns.
I play Ravnica at War in my mono white deck and it's pretty good there, a lot of problem permanents are multicolor, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as a boardwipe
How about Cyclone Summoner and River's Rebuke? R.r. has good targeted single player boardwipe and C.s. removes everything that isn't a giant, wizard, or land.
Nevs disk is cool in an artifact deck with mycosynth lattice and darksteel forge. Just a doomsday machine that destroys all of your opponents permanents. Lands too.
Yeah, they kind of underestimated a little bit the impact of enchantments. I have a Karametra Enchantress deck with 40+ enchantments (including enchantment creatures that would also die). Even my wife's Ur-Dragon has 11 powerful (and important for the deck) enchantments: Dragon Tempest, Trace of Abundance, Journey to Eternity, Monastery Siege, Rhystic Study, Rhythm of the Wild, Temur Ascendancy, Defense of the Heart, Sarkhan's Unsealing, Kindred Discovery, and Sight of the Scalelords.
The only reason I don’t play on Discord is because the only deck I have built is an Anowon aggro deck. . . Fallen Shinobi and Opposition Agent and Thadda Adel and Thieving Skydiver. . . it’s a little difficult to play over webcam.
Fumigate saved me so many times where a wrath of God wouldn't have, in a deck with few lifegain options it's great, merciless eviction is the greatest nightmare of superfriends and reanimator/indestructible decks and also works wonders Vs enchantress/artifact decks l especially if they have replenish or other recursion. Recently added austere command and it's often worse. Also cataclysm is insane, especially in my atla palani deck.
Descend upon the sinful is my fav, its a bit expensive, put flavor win? yes, a body afterwards? yes, from innistrad? massive flavor win if you have rampage of the valkyries on the field? yes
@@NitpickingNerds the reason I think it’s worth it is because with slivers getting rid of anything more than 1 creature is good. Slivers together tend to over power other creatures
Yep, I slapped a Merciless Eviction into an Orzhov deck thinking it was just a strictly better Austere Command. For some reason I thought for 6 mana you'd definitely get to choose two. Choosing one felt so bad. Still exiles which is neat in some cases but being twice the cmc of Toxic Deluge for often the same overall effect is just confusing
I have an Oloro creatureless deck, it's not my main deck but I like to tune it up every now and then. I started playing like 20 wraths cause i'm creatureless you know it seems a great game plan to wipe the board every 2 turns...but it wasn't lol As time went on i cut most wraths, i am at 6-7 now i think Damnation, Wrath of God, Day of Judgment, Cyclonic Rift if you wanna consider it a board wipe, Decree of Pain for cycling it at least it doens't get countered and draws me a card, Supreme Verdict, and Merciless Eviction to deal with planeswalkers.
I often times see you recommending to take a look at the card "By Force" which I do agree, it's a cool card but what are your thoughts on "Shattering Spree"? Love your show guys!!
I have Bontus last reckoning in a black and green commander deck abusing cards untapping during each upkeep of each player, Cards with exert like champion of rhonas profit along these mechanics and of getting constant vigilance via rhonas/vivian and else. I have to say that i've only had good results so far with bontus last reckoning in there, but this seems to be the only case where this card is playable ^^
Just a word of warning...never completely dismiss a card. Most often there will be specific decks that have synergy with it. Always at least consider it, regardless how bad it seems on the face of it. For example, Bontu's last reckoning fits well in a Marchesa the Black Rose deck. Reasons: your creatures will probably all come back on your endstep after the wipe, and you have many mana rocks to untap, because it's grixis's way of ramping. So you have about 30% of your mana on your next turn available with a full board. Those are valid arguments for a 3 mana board wipe.
But spending one more mana on that board wipe lets you use 100% of your mana that turn and the following turn, and there's so many better options for something like Marchesa
I run nevs disk in my daretti scrap servant deck. I use unwinding clock to untap it right away, usually i have dark steel forge out also and if im lucky enough ill also have mycosynth lattice then its just game over. But yea thats a janky 4 card combo i have in there.
If y'all love Tragic Arrogance, you need to give some love to Mythos of Snapdax. It's a Mardu identity board wipe that has the same effect as Catclysmic Gearhulk where everyone chooses what they sacrifice and what they keep, but Mythos becomes becomes a 4 mana Tragic Arrogance if you spend exactly WWRB to cast it. I think Mythos gets really overshadowed by Ruinous Ultimatum since they both debuted in Ikoria, but Mythos is just as powerful, WAY easier to cast, and deserves a lot more love than it gets. I've not lost a game yet when I've resolved Mythos of Snapdax; it has been that backbreaking for my opponents. Love the show, and planing to become a patron! Is there an audio-only version of your show I can listen to at work?
We have some select episodes from the past available in podcast form, nothing extremely recent I don't think as the demand hasn't been super high. Thanks for supporting the channel, and we agree that Mythos is super good and we name-drop it as a mardu version of Arrogance :D
Why would you ever want to wipe the board when you have flooded it with the zombies from Grave Titan?
We can’t live with that card doing anything so we wipe
Because Zombies don't fly.
Im so glad there are other people out there who recognize how good Hour of Revelation is
It's super efficient
Its fantastic. You're never gonna cast a board wipe without 10 permanents on the board. You probably don't even have the 3 white mana without their being 10 total permanents on the entire battlefield lol
@@kingginger3335 and even if you need to it's still only six Mana for each nonland permanent
Evert white deck should use it
It's very efficient in what it does but I don't think I would ever play this.
it's particularly good in a durdly white based control deck that is not very dependent on mana rocks and enchantments, but I enjoy playing to the board too much myself with all the permanent types.
I'm not a fan of blowing up all the mana rocks from non-green decks either. I'd rather encourage playing non-green.
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So glad to hear that church!
Liking before watching cause you always come through with the quality content!
I do the same and couldn’t agree more!
Same.
You three are awesome, thanks for supporting us :D
@@NitpickingNerds I will for sure use your link for TCG player I’m gonna be picking up some upgrades later this week. Thanks for the work you guys put in!
Omg that’s fantastic to hear! It really does help support the channel and we are very appreciative ❤️
You guys have seriously improved since i first started watching. You spark interesting discussions and i'm here for it. Keep it up guys.
Thanks a ton! We have improved like a million percent
One of my favorites for certain decks is Dusk//Dawn; its almost a one-sided board wipe, and then later it's card advantage! 6 mana Elspeth is good in that way too
As always, gentlemen, keep up the great work.
Also, may I just add... it's a problem when you find yourself scrambling to "add to cart" all the cards that Beezy is going off about "being terrible" just because you've never seen or played them... yeah. you know you do it too...
Don’t listen to Beezy lol 😂
Im really digging Doomskar from kaldhiem right now. Playing a board wipe to the field as early as turn 2 that cant be interacted with? Now it just sits there for the rest of the game gnawing away at your opponents psyche to what it actually is. LOL Is the game going well for you? Ok just leave it. Is the game slipping away from you? Ok activate it.
People are gonna miss Foretell once it's gone.
Foretell is a massively underrated mechanic
I love Dream Devourer, all my non-land spells like boardwipes have Foretell and if they kill Devourer I can still cast my foretold spells= win win :P
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 yeah I've been thinking about tossing him into my Blim deck because a lot of the stuff is expensive and janky, I'd even call him pseudo-ramp
We left doomskar off because we haven’t tested it or seen it yet.
Flood of tears is really good when you can get a free permanent into play after it and especially if your behind
Not a card we have ever played but seems good.
I recently added it to my jhoira deck. Hasn’t come up in play yet but I have high hopes.
Droping Koma back on empty board is brutal ;)
Time Wipe too!
I used to use it on this weird Yarok standard thing I had going. The deck's rotated now but it was fun dropping Yarok back to reset for my next turn of ETB triggers
Man, no love for Slaughter the Strong? 3 mana, gets rid of the biggest threats most of the time, makes token and voltron decks cry, and it even gets around indestructible. I think it's great.
I know right?! I got one form somewhere, and after reading the text correctly i dont know why you wouldn't ever use it...except against Tergrid
Completely agree on the switching out 4-mana, creatures only wipes. I had already done that for my decks before you said that here. One-two extra mana is well worth extra synergy.
So glad you put in Last One Standing, love that card!
Super fun and flavorful!
Something that is interesting to me is that you'd think black would be close to white in number of middle ground board sweepers (the worse ones that don't compare to the top of your lists), but black isn't even remotely close. Like in the 5 Mana slot for white you have Fumigate, Winds of Rath, End Hostilities, Rout, and Slash the Ranks. At least 5 options at that CMC. What does black have in comparison? Crux of fate. That's it. Maybe Consume the Meek if you count that? The difference is one I find very interesting. Although diving into color differences is always going to get complicated.
I always play merciless eviction, it just stops an indestructible spell in response or that pesky Blightsteel on the board!
Deluge does that too 😅
@@NitpickingNerds but eviction can kill many different things 🤔
@@NitpickingNerds how about a buff spell
“Good boardwipes cost between 3 and 5 mana” *starts looking nervously at my 3 copies of austere command that are in most of my white decks*
Edit: a couple of minutes in and you gave austere command a compliment, I don’t have to question my card evaluation abilities luckily 😅
Austere Command is like a pet card of mine, it improves a lot if your playgroup is value based, vs faster decks it can sadly fall short.
Austere command is good
The recurring lowkey fight over the peace out is my new favorite feature. It's like watching my cats squabble.
Regarding Nev's disk - it has a home in decks that can abuse it with Darksteel forge. Decks like Kozilek the great distortion. It also shines in mono red and mono black decks where you absolutely need to remove an enchantment.
Checkout "Chandra's Ignition". I play it in my Syr Gwyn deck and try to give her lifelink or deathtouch first. Becomes a 5 mana game ending board wipe. Especially when she is loaded up with equipments!
Channel has come a long way love it
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@@NitpickingNerds making a mono colored deck for every color. Buying a box of japanese war every month and just graduated hbu?
@@firebird504 well making millions on UA-cam lol
@@NitpickingNerds eventually you will be ;)
I'm a new player and I put tragic arrogance in a deck with Tergrid, God of Fright, without actually understanding just how good these cards are with each other. And then I played them together ... wow!
You've just convinced me to add Tragic Arrogance to my Syr Gwyn equipment voltron deck, because I only need one creature anyways, and if that creature is Gwyn, then my opponents won't be able to block it when they only have one creature left, due to menace.
Thoughts on "Cleansing Nova"?
It’s ok but better options
@@NitpickingNerds You think Austere Command is the superior alternative for a modal wipe in spite of costing one more then?
I don't understand how Cleansing Nova gets lumped in with the Fumigate club. By your own criteria, the versatility of being able to wipe either all creatures or all artifacts + enchantments is pretty good. Feels like it's not at the very top, but still a tier above 5CMC creatures-only board wipes.
Agree with a lot of this except for Cleansing Nova, I think this card is great particularly in decks that are somewhat creature heavy
Having the flexibility to destroy all artifacts and enchantments or creatures when you are behind is really good and its decently costed at 5 mana, it's similar to Austere command and Merciless Eviction but 1 less mana
I can also see use out of bontu’s last reconning in a deck like Alela or something similar where most of your mana is coming from artifacts. Not that it’s good, but there’s at least an argument there.
So one time I tried to build a deck of just board wipes with mageta the lion as the commander. Turns out when everyone else's cards are gone you are a prime target for the removal spells, so even if you have an indestructible card or two it won't last when 3 other people target it as revenge.
Spiteful Sliver plus Sliver Hivelord followed by Blasphemous Act, chef's kiss
Ever tried Planar Collapse? 2cmc wrath of god attached to an enchantment, activates on your upkeep if there's 4 or more creatures on the board. I've really enjoyed playing it in my Lurrus deck, recasting it from the grave is fantastic. Same with using hall of heliod's generosity.
Bontu's Reckoning is really good when you have a Seedborn Muse type effect that triggers afterwards. You can float all your mana so you can still cast spells afterwards, and then Wilderness Reclamation or Muse will untap your stuff. 3 mana. Boom
Ewww
Gavi and free cycling makes dismantling wave, decree of silence, and many others real good and instant speed ability that is hard to counter or stop.
I have to point out that I have had games where Hour of revelation wasn't live when I wanted it to be, but the card is still phenomenal. Still think it's one of the best white board wipes.
I've tried damn near every board wipe in Orzhov for my aristocrats deck, I still settled on Toxic Deluge, Damnation, and Wrath of God. They all end up being asymmetric regardless of what they do and being lower on the curve allows me to double spell a lot more. I did replace Wrath of God for Damn tho once it came out. Also all my wraths being in black helps with Mausoleum Secrets which can only tutor black cards.
Putting Blasphemous Act in an Ad Nauseam deck is the biggest Chad move you can possibly pull
Fated Retribution is a good Anti-Walker board wipe too... and sure it is expensive but it is instant speed. (I often have to remind people in the play groups I play with that it is an instant speed boardwipe... and it takes way too many by surprise. And the access to be able to do it instant speed has saved me several times.)
YAAAAAAAS new content. Been enjoying the shorts.
Thanks! We're going to continue them
I use life's finale in my head deck mainly because my deck requires there to be a lot of creatures in all graveyards, so it helps a little with that
I absolutely LOVE Slaughter the Strong, Retribution of the Meek, and Dusk//Dawn, in my Arcades wall deck! Talk about synergy!!
Would love to see a video on how you rank power levels
I like Bontu’s Last Reckoning in a budget deck with heavy artifact ramp or decks that can untap lands with cards like Wilderness Reclamation. However I agree that like 70% of the time it hurts to cast it because you either save half your mana for next turn or skip your next turn.
Love you guys' content. Great video as always.
One card I would also like to put up as a honourable mention for best board wipe would be "Time Wipe". Yes it's 5 mana, yes it's sorcery speed, yes it hits only creatures, but it very often saves you from having to pay extra commander tax by bouncing your commander or reuse ETBs or simply just saving your best creature. I am a big fan of this card and I can honestly say it has over-performed in my experience.
Also, I completely agree with Mr. Cherries about Merciless Eviction. It would be infinitely better if it was 1 less mana.
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I play By Force rather than Vandalblast in my Zedruu deck for obvious reasons. Slash the Ranks is also very synergistic there, as I mostly gift people with noncreatures and would rather keep Zedruu alive when boardwiping (Tragic Arrogance is also great).
Cool video as always, happy to be subscribed.
I like Shatter the Sky a lot in certain decks. It’s kind of like Arcane Denial where you get your card back right away.
Is there a chance for a part 2? I would have liked to see your thoughts on some more board wipes from Blue, Black or Red other than the 2 most common. Also Settle the Wreckage, and what do you see as the difference between Cleansing Nova vs Austere Command?
what about farewell? is it worth it?
Been thinking about running a GWB Anara/Ravos, Voltron, board wipe deck.
Wipe the board, beat down with commander damage, repeat.
Maybe play a portcullis to be very cheeky.
The funny thing about planeswalkers is because so many people see them as the weakest card in EDH, they completely ignore them in play until they’re nervous about the ultimate.
I love Winds of Abandon. Path to exile with overload. I utilize this card in all my commander decks with white.
Criminally underrated and underplayed. Gets even better with Aven Mindcensor and/or Leonin Arbiter.
24:51 that grin afterwards
Couldn't keep a straight face! 😂
Best thing about Ondu inversion and the double faced land cards... you can tutor a land with mystical tutor and not be mana debt early !!
Man merciless eviction saved my ass in so many games, but to be fair, two players of my playgroup are playing uril and marchesa
You guys are growing on me..nice! keep up the good work
Like a fungus
I'm brewing a superfriends deck, so my thought process is: "Is this a board wipe? It is a worthwhile board wipe." But thanks for this video. My next deck won't have a million board wipes, then this will be really useful.
I've had mixed success with perplexing test. What are your thoughts?
Great episode guys. Really loving the content these days. I know its new but I realized you didn't talk about doomskar. Having the foretell makes its alot stronger than it looks.
We actually mention it twice, not as it's own segment, but we put it on par with the Day of Judgment variants
@@NitpickingNerds oh totally gapped out on that! My bad!
What’s the verdict on Doomskar?
I agree with most of the advice but as a Daretti player i am a big fan of Nev Disk... running Darksteel forge and/or myscosynth lattice with it and leaving nothing but your artifacts or commander on the board to tick it's way up to ultimate is quite a marvellous feeling...
Comet Storm + Battlefield Thaumaturge is wonderful boardwiping combo
Edit: It negates the multikicker cost
I really love casting Ezuri’s predation + natural affinity on my green decks. Literally ends games if no one counters it.
That's so evil... I LOVE IT!
I like Find//Finality in budget Golgari lists. The good board wipes in Golgaro are all expensive (Deluge, Damnation) and this is a cute flexible one.
Another one I like is Chandra's Ignition, in decks like Xenagos in which it doubles as a wincon.
I think you are actually my favourite mtg youtubers
Edit: and because magic is the best thing in the world you are the best youtubers EVER (maybe)
This is the highest complement we've ever gotten, thank you XD
@@NitpickingNerds no problem just doing some realtalk u know
So there are a lot of multi color, what would you recommend for a mono-green elf deck. 2/3 board wipes :D
Surprised you guys didn't mention Fracturing Gust - the ability to have that effect at instant speed is really powerful, five mana isn't bad and the hybrid GW mana allows it to be more easily cast.
It fits into the middle
Love the daily content! Keep up the good work.
It's a good look for us I think
I would love to see a full analysis on the MDFC land cards with spells on the front. I know you guys praise the Mythic cycle, but I wanna see an analysis on the uncommons/rares. Do you still hold those up to the same level as swapping out a basic for them?
I play Austere Command a lot and a friend of mine have an Aura-heavy deck (Tuvasa), he got PTSD of this :))
I use two ply for my wipes, it takes care of everything!
I would assume Doomskar and Shatter the Sky are with the other 4 mana classic Wrath effects, though Doomskar can be cast for 3.
They basically are, yeah
Love Tragic Arrogance getting the recognition it deserves
How is it only $1.50?
Great video as per usual! :)
What do you think of Hour of Reckoning in a Token deck like let's say an Emmara Edh Deck.
The Convoke can easily be done i would say so it's just 3W and it doesn't kill your Tokens.
Yeah it's fine, like we say it falls into the synergy camp of boardwipes
Worldslayer is awesome. Run it in my zurgo deck. It’s just a fun card !
I mean you can by force to whatever vandal blast is
And you destroy what four artifacts?
I think ifs worth running both because with by force you don’t destroy stuff you don’t want to
And it can be x to the equivalent to Valndal anyway
Hi, what do you think about Fade Away ?
I wouldn't call it a board wipe, it's an interesting card and I'm not sure where it belongs
I've been wondering for a while where would I play this
Play it in urza if you have it
Not my cup of tea :p
I think a card like Bontu's Last Reckoning could be good if it just put a stun counter on whatever tapped for mana to cast it. Or just if you had to put a stun counter on 3 lands you control.
Effectively paying 6 mana for a board wipe should be alright when that 6 mana is spread over 2 turns.
I play Ravnica at War in my mono white deck and it's pretty good there, a lot of problem permanents are multicolor, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as a boardwipe
How about Cyclone Summoner and River's Rebuke? R.r. has good targeted single player boardwipe and C.s. removes everything that isn't a giant, wizard, or land.
Best wipe I ever did was in Oloro - Tragic Arrogance saving my Witch of the Moors
Nevs disk is cool in an artifact deck with mycosynth lattice and darksteel forge. Just a doomsday machine that destroys all of your opponents permanents. Lands too.
Good to know my enchantress deck is sort of safe xD
Yeah, they kind of underestimated a little bit the impact of enchantments. I have a Karametra Enchantress deck with 40+ enchantments (including enchantment creatures that would also die).
Even my wife's Ur-Dragon has 11 powerful (and important for the deck) enchantments: Dragon Tempest, Trace of Abundance, Journey to Eternity, Monastery Siege, Rhystic Study, Rhythm of the Wild, Temur Ascendancy, Defense of the Heart, Sarkhan's Unsealing, Kindred Discovery, and Sight of the Scalelords.
Great stuff as per!
The only reason I don’t play on Discord is because the only deck I have built is an Anowon aggro deck. . . Fallen Shinobi and Opposition Agent and Thadda Adel and Thieving Skydiver. . . it’s a little difficult to play over webcam.
Yeah stealing things can be tough
I will accept Akroma's Vengeance in a planeswalker (or cycling?) deck as it specifically doesnt hit them and thats about it. Good content guys!
what is the name of the board wipe were opponents can help u cast it
Play of the Game?
that's it
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Fumigate saved me so many times where a wrath of God wouldn't have, in a deck with few lifegain options it's great, merciless eviction is the greatest nightmare of superfriends and reanimator/indestructible decks and also works wonders Vs enchantress/artifact decks l especially if they have replenish or other recursion. Recently added austere command and it's often worse. Also cataclysm is insane, especially in my atla palani deck.
Descend upon the sinful is my fav, its a bit expensive, put flavor win? yes, a body afterwards? yes, from innistrad? massive flavor win if you have rampage of the valkyries on the field? yes
Sometimes flavor is better than power
I know it's not amazing, but Ghen has made me appreciate Planar Collapse a lot more.
Do you guys plan to do edh gameplay videos? (Personal favorite obscure-ish board wipe: realm-cloaked giant in my Oloro, Giant tribal deck)
One day in the future yes
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Dudes, your content is addicting
Thanks so much! :D
Preach it brother!!
You're probably right about By Force, but I like thinking it has political applications that Vandalblast lacks.
I don't understand, are you telling me to play grave titan
This video is part of the reason Grave Titan never does anything 😂
What about doomskar sure its technically a 5cost tou can foretell it so you pay it over two turns and someone cant wheel it away
One that definitely wouldn’t have made this list but is in my sliver tribal deck is harsh mercy
I feel like that card can backfire a lot of the time, since you can never get rid of anyone's best creature
@@NitpickingNerds the reason I think it’s worth it is because with slivers getting rid of anything more than 1 creature is good. Slivers together tend to over power other creatures
Who is your commander?
@@diggerdog9205 over lord, however I have all the legendary slivers and the changling
@@allthingsclash6081 I run Hivelord
Yep, I slapped a Merciless Eviction into an Orzhov deck thinking it was just a strictly better Austere Command. For some reason I thought for 6 mana you'd definitely get to choose two.
Choosing one felt so bad. Still exiles which is neat in some cases but being twice the cmc of Toxic Deluge for often the same overall effect is just confusing
Toxic being so expensive it might not be cost effective to get it all the time. But I mean a simple wrath of god lol
I have an Oloro creatureless deck, it's not my main deck but I like to tune it up every now and then. I started playing like 20 wraths cause i'm creatureless you know it seems a great game plan to wipe the board every 2 turns...but it wasn't lol As time went on i cut most wraths, i am at 6-7 now i think Damnation, Wrath of God, Day of Judgment, Cyclonic Rift if you wanna consider it a board wipe, Decree of Pain for cycling it at least it doens't get countered and draws me a card, Supreme Verdict, and Merciless Eviction to deal with planeswalkers.
Although it destroys lands, my favorite board wipe (and everything wipe) is Decree of Annihilation in my Shrine deck
That card is very good 😌
I often times see you recommending to take a look at the card "By Force" which I do agree, it's a cool card but what are your thoughts on "Shattering Spree"? Love your show guys!!
Shattering Spree is also good, less counterable but more mana intensive
I have Bontus last reckoning in a black and green commander deck abusing cards untapping during each upkeep of each player,
Cards with exert like champion of rhonas profit along these mechanics and of getting constant vigilance via rhonas/vivian and else. I have to say that i've only had good results so far with bontus last reckoning in there, but this seems to be the only case where this card is playable ^^
In simic dont have most options to removal, cyclon rift is the best.But i play budget and dont like return to hand😢
Just a word of warning...never completely dismiss a card. Most often there will be specific decks that have synergy with it. Always at least consider it, regardless how bad it seems on the face of it. For example, Bontu's last reckoning fits well in a Marchesa the Black Rose deck. Reasons: your creatures will probably all come back on your endstep after the wipe, and you have many mana rocks to untap, because it's grixis's way of ramping. So you have about 30% of your mana on your next turn available with a full board. Those are valid arguments for a 3 mana board wipe.
But spending one more mana on that board wipe lets you use 100% of your mana that turn and the following turn, and there's so many better options for something like Marchesa
@@NitpickingNerds well let's see if I can afford Damnation this time round after Timespiral Remastered reprint.
I run nevs disk in my daretti scrap servant deck. I use unwinding clock to untap it right away, usually i have dark steel forge out also and if im lucky enough ill also have mycosynth lattice then its just game over. But yea thats a janky 4 card combo i have in there.
If y'all love Tragic Arrogance, you need to give some love to Mythos of Snapdax. It's a Mardu identity board wipe that has the same effect as Catclysmic Gearhulk where everyone chooses what they sacrifice and what they keep, but Mythos becomes becomes a 4 mana Tragic Arrogance if you spend exactly WWRB to cast it. I think Mythos gets really overshadowed by Ruinous Ultimatum since they both debuted in Ikoria, but Mythos is just as powerful, WAY easier to cast, and deserves a lot more love than it gets. I've not lost a game yet when I've resolved Mythos of Snapdax; it has been that backbreaking for my opponents.
Love the show, and planing to become a patron! Is there an audio-only version of your show I can listen to at work?
We have some select episodes from the past available in podcast form, nothing extremely recent I don't think as the demand hasn't been super high. Thanks for supporting the channel, and we agree that Mythos is super good and we name-drop it as a mardu version of Arrogance :D