bebop guitar VS gypsy jazz guitar - round 1: FIGHT!
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In this video I share my thoughts on the differences between playing bebop and gypsy jazz guitar.
Useful links:
- 'Bebop Mondays' playlist: tinyurl.com/quapayg
- 'Gypsy Jazz Fridays' playlist: tinyurl.com/uj6byd6
- all my backing tracks: tinyurl.com/yy42mjg5
- van Hemert System (fretboard system) explanation: • The Easiest Guitar Fre...
- gypsy jazz "loops" video: • 'Gypsy Jazz Loops', a ...
- rhythm changes course: • Django's Secret Rhythm...
- Django course: - Episode 1 of this series: • Watch This Video If yo...
- Peter Bernstein series: • Peter Bernstein's Epic...
- George Benson series: • How To Play Blues Like...
- metronome system to practice new lines: • WARNING: NOT FOR CRYBA...
Guitars Used: Peerless Monarch / Altamira TD
Strings: Thomastik Jazz BeBop (0.11) / Argentine New Concept (0.10)
"gypsy" is a racial slur.
Everybody calls the music "gypsy jazz", it's the only search word you can use to find good UA-cam videos with that music. No way around it!
@@ChristiaanvanHemert That's a poor excuse. I guess "Jungle Music" has fallen out of favor?
Wait a minute... do you even play this music? Dude, everyone calls it that. All musicians, festivals, organizers, audience, teachers...
@@ChristiaanvanHemert If everyone called it "nigger music" that would neither justify your defense of the term nor your continued use of it.
@@Rhythmicons Wowza, what are you writing. I can't have the kind of language in my comments. Please mind your words thanks!
Gj vs Bbop. Gj is easier on the ear. Harmonically speaking. Bbop guitar is a small niche compared to Gj.
In general most Bbop players have a general disdain for guitar. Jazz guitar as I see it really shines on Standards.
These songs are the foundation of many Gj players. Swing is the common thread.
This is GREAT video. And YES those diminished line/runs are the BEST! You have a vast knowledge of the guitar, players styles, EVERYTHING. I learn so much from watching you. I wish I had more time.
Very interesting video, Christiaan. I think it's because of the different attitudes between bebop and gypsy jazz that I didn't start getting "good" at guitar until I got into gypsy jazz. With bebop, I couldn't find an entry point for someone like me who was starting at a low level. The few times I tried playing with good players I was shamed and humiliated. In contrast, when I started playing gypsy jazz, I was immediately able to meet and play with high level players and get immersed in the music. At the first festival I attended, I got to jam with John Jorgenson and Jason Anick. I sounded terrible but they were encouraging to me.
Thanks Ray. Yes, it's just much harder to break into the bebop scene due to the gatekeeping mind set. It's a shame because it's very fun to play.
Exactly same for me, i started bebop first, was a total fail... I started to learn and improve with gypsy jazz
Me too
Ongelooflijk veel vooruitgang in je spel sinds de laatste keer dat ik een video van je zag zeg een half jaar terug, supervloeiend geworden naar mijn mening.
Great video Sir, Im learning a lot. Thanks!
Definitely looking forward to your book!
Thanks James, me too!
I find your videos really clever and helpfull thanks a lot for sharing! :)
Nagyon jó lett! Bálintom ölellek!
Holy crap great playing. I subbed
Fascinating subject, great thoughts. I think about this a lot too being that I focus on the two styles as well
Thanks Omit Give. Glad to hear you enjoyed the video!
Love the new look!
Thanks, it's fun to work on that too.
Gr8 insights & comparisons Thx so much! (Long-term Martino RIP fan!) 😺
Good stuff , Thanks !!👍
I love your videos. I'll have to find those dim-arpeggios somewhere. Thanks for these videos! :)
You're welcome Jouni!
Amazing skills!!!
I think you are a good teacher, I would buy your book.
A long time ago I read somewhere that Bebob actually came into being this way: some of the now legendary jazz giants were regularly taking part in jam sessions at some locations (New York, Harlem?) They were annoyed by many of the lesser gifted musicians who also tried to join these sessions, so in order to keep them away, or push them out, they purposely created tunes with very complicated and fast chord changes. So the gate keeping Christiaan observed in the present probably has roots in the past. The jazz scene in the US those days was extremely competitive, it was a struggle for survival; making a living by playing music. Also those Bebob musicians as far as I understand, were most often not very nice towards each other, and the concept of "friendly" jam sessions that many of us are familiar with today didn't exist there. The US has altogether been a different place from Europe in this respect; much more geared towards competition.
I also remember having heard that Django did not feel at home in the American jazz scene when he stayed there.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Great info!
@William Rackham Haha, nice
What you are describing sounds to me like the difference between a jam session and a cut session.
Then, clones recieved verbal harassment from the better gifted ones!
Thanks for this video!
You're welcome!
This is a Fantastic video. Very honest. Thanks
Thanks man, great compliment!
Christiaan, I'm glad I found your channel and thanks for this great lesson. You mentioned something nobody really talks about, which is that someone's phrasing and improv are very strongly influenced by the technique they use. There's a certain mystique that I had bought into that good players play "what they hear", and that's true, but one's technical choices make certain things much more likely!
Yup, very true!
Thanks for your insights.
New subscriber.
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Awesome video
Thanks!
Ramble on Christiaan !
I don't know any other way... :D
Brilliant 💙 comme dab
Thanks!
What would be great ? A debate with a few of your contemporaries over musical competition (ie snobbery and exclusion). It was rife in my teens (mid to late 1970's) even in unknown local rock music scene. I really enjoyed your ramblings and well done on the new lighting. Bring on the book Christiaan !
Funny that you should say that. Here's a scoop: I will launch a podcast at the end of this month having conversations with contemporaries!
@@ChristiaanvanHemert That's cool Christiaan. I look forward to watching .
Really like the high saturation lighting in the vids. It gives an intimate feeling as if we are sitting at home with a friend !!
ok I am just starting out in jazz guitar, much harder than I thought after playing blues, I might be interested in your book depends on price and It may be way too advanced. out of all your vids which one would be the best to start with for a complete beginner, I live in North Wales UK
Thanks. My book is meant precisely for people that can already play guitar but can't play jazz!
thats an interesting topic. i myself had a hard time to get that difference in my playin. i came from strictly jazz bebob context and whenever i tried to play in jazz manouche swing style i didnt get it at all. it sounded stiff and awkward. the big change came when i really sat down and learned my first django solo tone for tone. plus a lttle help by some free tutorial videos about right hand or triads chromatics etc. ,from people like you christiaan!
Yes, what you have experienced I have heard many times before from bebop players that I encountered. Good that you found a way to solve it. Learning a Django solo is a sure fire way!
I need a copy of that book here in Sicily man!
Nice, crowd funding starting soon!
Gypsy Jazz is a type of folk music.
Heartfelt.
Moving, danceable, aggressive, mellow, comes from the heart and the need to express.
Connects people through everyday life, dances, laughs and sorrows.
Be Bop is far more complicated (on purpose) and thus academic and competitive and comes from the mind and the need to compete and impress.
More or less.
Gypsy is an originally european style, Be Bop a northern american one, launching as a rejection to Swing and Dixieland jazz (which as types of more primitive folk music are really close to gypsy ("gypsy swing" etc).
Be Boppers that wanted to go back to types of more roots based, folky, simple and heartfelt styles, launched funk, free/ ethnic jazz and such so the circle got complete.
Hope the book reaches Philippines 🙏
Maybe "rambling", but well-edited and lots of good material. Thanks
Thanks Paul!
The duality of man
Your time feel has changed! For the better I might add! Much more aggressive attack! Have you perhaps been working with a metronome set on the 2 and 4? I have found that really gives my playing a swing and bite to my timing. Well, it did before I got to dystonia.
Thanks, I worked with metronome on 2 and 4 my entire life. But guitar was of course pretty new for me and playing with a backing track on camera to demonstrate a very specific thing is a peculiar skill in itself. I'm very used to it now but it was super hard for the longest time.
@@ChristiaanvanHemert well, it's paying off. I can feel how your playing is now becoming a lot more solid. It's like you're developing a guitar feel that is maybe a different feel to your great violin playing. I have heard there is a softer attack with violin playing when addressing a note. Perhaps you are sort of shedding this now with your guitar playing, as the guitar is much more a percussive instrument with a shorter beat transient. It certainly sounds and feels like that from my perspective. Keep going buddy it's great the amount of content you're putting out these days. Keep swinging buddy! ;-) p.s. oh, and congratulations on the book!
HI ! CRISTIAAN ....if your book comes on sale I shall buy it ...with pleasure . I have many ...but more were used occasionally and I never worked hard on
that stuff . From my experience I can state your analysis of both style (bop v/s manouche) is very accurate . I ' m glad you have few words for Pasquale
Grasso ......who masters the widest classical practice and knowledge which irrigates his phenomenal jazz playing . As a winner of the MONTGOMERY's
competition he certainly have a lot of admirers ( I was one since the first moment I discover him on stage 6 or 7 years ago ) ....and few jealous among
the guitar community . Barney Kessel had no kind and respectful judgement towards DJANGO .....poor Barney making certainly a real wrong note !
YOUR playing is excellent and you illustrates wondefully your rundown . here in FRANCE the DJANGO's style is still well alive .....and in demand . You
can hear the best sometimes . My friend JEROME BRAJTMAN masters this style he shares with gipsies but can play classical with the quatuor or
bebop - hardbop and the standard repertoire . Pascal MARTINEZ is the most eclectic player , pop ,blues , latin , bop ......with encyclopedic references .
For my own practice I like to refer to Wes MONTGOMERY .....MUSIC .....beyond guitar ....and those fascinating melodic bop lines , single notes ,
octaves , chords , he delivers with irresistible groove . Have the nicest year 2020 with Yours .
Thanks for your thoughts Jean-Luc!
How would you compare the specific styles of Charlie Christian and Django Reinhardt? I am curious if the modern bebop or gypsy jazz is more different than the earlier music. 🤔
What bebop players tend do is think A-7 F#-7b5 B-7b5 E7 x2 on top of just a- to create moviment
I was expecting a sword fight, but with guitars. This was pretty good too though.
29slowjoe why tf did you expect that?
Because the thumbnail is Street fighter 2 inspired!
@@alanaguina6753 what he said 👆
Yes. Two men who are twins will sword fight with two expensive guitars and not actually play them.
@@alanaguina6753 That's the spirit!😉
There can only be one.
Why on earth did you all spend so much time feeding an obvious troll? Even Django himself was perfectly at ease with his music being described as Gypsy Jazz. If he had taken exception to it, I doubt he would have remained silent about it.
Hello ! Im portuguese, I Am from europe, I Want your book :)
Crowd funding is almost here!
gypsy jazz is in many ways similar to bluegrass, i am trying to pick up both.
Great video. It would be awesome to see some videos about Tal Farlow and Jimmy Raney. When I think of bebop guitar, those are two that come to mind. Tal playing "All The Things You Are" at about 290 BPM is no joke.
Thanks for the suggestions Gian. I'll add them to the list!
Intro is tasty af
Thanks!
your Bebop is good, not to take away from gypsy jazz.
I like your insight on rest stroke picking. I remember seeing Chuck Berry and Earl King, both rock legends up close, using down/rest strokes for the most part just like gypsy picking
I also saw SRV Steve Vaughn use rest stroke in concert. J Hendrix was basicly a rest stroke picker, if i may comment
6:55 in gypsy jazz we often ignore 2nd chord... wrwww
9:10 how could you do that?
Book? Crossfunding? Where?
Next week, I'll make a video to announce it. It will be cross posted on UA-cam Facebook and Instagram!
Hi Christiaan. Nice analysis of GJ and bebop. Interesting thoughts about the inclusiveness of GJ and the more exclusive attitude of bebop players. Back in the day when I was attending a lot of GJ festivals, I too couldn't help but notice the inviting atmosphere. Someone who is Gypsy and a guitar player said, "If you play guitar, you are my friend." I don't think you'll see too much of that in the bebop world. I use to say that the reason why GJ guitarists are so inclusive is that there was only one Django Reinhardt -- and no one else will ever be him. That make everyone else -- from Stochelo and Bireli to me and the guy just starting -- first and foremost, fans and enthusiasts of Django Reinhardt. As enthusiasts we are excited to meet fellow fans, interested in their lives and happy to play with them. Gypsy Jazz has brought me some of the most memorable times in my life and I found much warmth and joy from the culture and generous people I met during my journeys. Good luck with your book my friend. I look forward to reading and learning from it!
Thanks Eddy, your thoughts ring true!
@@ChristiaanvanHemert Thanks for the response Christiaan. BTW, how do we get to your crowdfunding page for your book?
@@archtopeddy It's here: bit.ly/36M6WrV
I don't think B.L or C.E ( gipsies players ) are more "inclusive " ( "opened." ).....than bop players as were JIMMY GOURLEY or RENE THOMAS .
Once I met JIMMY and told him I tried to play "YOU ' VE CHANGED " .....a ballad that haunted me . A few days later I received a letter from
JIMMY who had written the chord progression ! He added kindness and care to his natural fair play ....and Buddy MONTGOMERY told me
WES was the finest person . i don't think you 'll find that "élégance " among " the crowding crooks in metal and rock .....
Gypsy jazz
Gypsy Songs are playing on 7-string gypsy guitar in open Gm tuning
Jimmy Bruno uses a lot of rest stroke economy picking. 'Unit Seven' on youtube is a good showcase for him with stuff to steal that should be good for gypsy pickers, he also does rest UPstrokes ( like some of the Bluegrass guys, Brian Sutton for example) but integrated into the style a bit more than most people and not just a special effect for reverse raking (like Bireli and Giniaux). I am REALLY looking forward to the book by the way and will of course buy and cherish a physical copy as soon as possible. PS If there is one exercise guaranteed to get ALTERNATE PICKING together in a short time it is the paradiddle DUDD UDUU. Try it with rest strokes on one string (say the B string) to get the gist of it (great for strengthening the upstroke) then (whilst keeping the beat) switch to alternating with the G string with the G string taking all of the upstrokes and forcing you to abandon the rest stroke (some people call this inside picking since the pick stays between the two strings) . Next alternate restroke picking on a single string (DUDD UDUU) with alternate picking with the E string taking all of the upstrokes ('outside picking'). Once that's smooth take the tempo way down and repeat the last note of each group of four as a very swift grace note and you'll get a flamadiddle ( uDUDD dUDUU ) and this should push your reflexes even at very slow tempos.Give it a try ! It it should take a few years off the task of getting used to switching between alternate picking and rest stroking. Tedious as that was to read it has nothing on Troy Gradie's goal of obfuscating the art of picking in a thousand hours of nonsensical analysis. The exercise I just outlined contains most of all there is to it. Ten minutes a day for a week should yield surprising results if you are super conservative with tempo. As always thanks for your patience and happy new year !
i don't think a pick is the alpha § omega to play guitar . If I refer to classical , latin , flamenco , country ,rock, jazz ,you'll find lot of the best ones have forgotten the pick and the single idea of it ....which you can see like a reduced prothesis . Look at Yamandu Costa playing with Galliano
and symphonic orchestra de PARIS .
@@jean-lucbersou758 Or you could look at my channel Jean.
@@davidfreel1451 Hi David, thanks for the advice to everyone, 10 minutes a week is certainly nothing to stress over. But do you think you could post a quick video on the exercise you described? I especially don't get the flamadiddle part, and I have trouble muting strings at high tempos using this technique, so I'm worried I may be ruining my own practice through misinterpretation
Bireli destroys in both styles.Theres even a video of him playing metal wich would put 99% of "shredders" to shame.
I think I know the video you mean, Birelli was great, then again how can he not be. The other two musicians though... I got the strong sense they didn't really 'get' metal. It was like someone shredding out their mind on a very timid backing track. One of the many reasons why I feel jazz's influences on metal are often portrayed better when they're in the rhythmical aspect of music instead.
Is this about a book publishing or music?
Why choose when you can do both!
I definitely prefer bebop
I love both and for me they're pretty much the same!
Sorry crowdfunding
#minorshizzle 🤣💪
Music is the only language to cross racial barriers, so why not just enjoy it?
I have been listening to this music and playing little else since Seresta came out. Like me, and that is why I love it, most of the community on these channels approach the expression of these rather varied group of extraordinary artists with humility and curiosity. Ninine, in 'Children of the Wind' says, answering a direct question, that Gipsy is not pejorative to him but it regards it rather as a general term, Gitanes. @Rhythmicons: I don't know on what authority you are here lecturing everybody on political correctness. Even with a couple of quips in latin, your effort feels rather misplaced , unconvincing and most of all, unnecessary.
GJ is better ))
Horns aren’t instruments,who wants an argument.
of course they are you moron, bring it on
i'm jk
Habla mucho ..y poca ejecución de la guitarra
Lo siento, tengo medicamentos para eso, ¡pero olvidé tomarlos!
@@ChristiaanvanHemert rayos Jack
Too much talk
Sorry, forgot to take my meds!