@@purpleplusgold agreed, he just constantly seems so mentally checked out and everyone is getting so good that he can't just rely on being 'better' than everyone like he used to
I haven't been in the michigan smash community for long, but I have never seen him pop off ever at least in any of the regionals he's won, he just doesn't seem like the type to pop off
no joke i believe this guys punish game is 100% more labbed out and refined than zain's rn, he has a pretty unique and creative approach to punish like going for uptilt -> techchase on fd instead of the chaingrab, as zain has been struggling with the chaingrab for some time now with people getting really good at ambiguous DI and SDIing uptilts. I would still take zains adaptations and neutral over ossify's dont get me wrong, but to play a guy for the first time who hits this hard and this differently i dont blame mango for getting caught off guard, some of the most out of the box and creative marth combos ive seen in a while.
This was all just classic Marth stuff - looked more like circa-2015 Marth than Zain, who is labbed out the wazoo. Honestly just all the old m2k tricks. it's fun to watch
This wouldn't be as big of a win if not because of Mango's prowess over the ages. Beating a titan like that is no small feat. Love and peace too both players ✌️
6:12 that waveshine hit confirm and the insane aerial drift to follow the DI is probably one of the mang0iest ways i’ve seen mang0 start a combo. how does he lose this set???
12:46 That subtle, exasperated head-tilt is the closest Mang0 gets to showing respect for his opponent lol. He's thinking 'Damn, another 1?' (Ossify joining M2K n Zain as Marths who've given Mang0 trouble in his career.)
I'm surprised how successfully Simply has transitioned from speedrunning to melee! (Commonly known as a reverse-Armada) Beating Mang0 after playing for only 2 years?? God gamer
"Seeing everyone excited that I lost to a person who just noob checked me 27 times in a row Ooooooo baby it's all forming so slowly MIGHT NOT TODAY OR TOMORROW BUT ITS COMING" -Mang0 This mental is why Oss will win the next one too.
A bit of both i think. Ossify is the 35th Best in the world, Mango is 8th. So for someone to beat someone 27 places higher than them. their performance ranges need to have some overlap. Ossify probably played at the higher end of his performance range, and Mango at the lower end. Mango probably the most known top player for having a famously wide performance range. Last couple of years he can look like the 2nd best player in the world sometimes, and then sometimes look like the 50th best player in the world. It's always been his biggest weakness as a competitor. For example people on the other end of the scale of performance range is Armada or Zain. their variance is at worst is playing like 1st in the world to 8th in the world, but their mean performance would be like 2nd-3rd.
I swear those are baby's input . I don't see one input a new comer couldn't have done after what , 3 hours being guided ? This character is literally why i quit playing . And yes im salty about it lol
@@Thierce It is true tho.If you're not playing great,a marth can easily beat you by just responding with tilts to your movements and approach.He basically has a round hit box around him covering every angles,with good frame data,end lag,and formidable kill power.I admit the character falls off at very high level,but i myself switched to marth and have WAY better results despite having played him way less than spacies.Its just facts,spamming down tilt at the edge makes almost perfect edgeguard unless you got the sweet spot on the ledge,if enemy goes higher you just do a f-smash or jump f-air/d-air. Its beatable,but you unless are in a top 32 settings,you gotta be way better than the marth.Tell me otherwise if you want but i experienced it from both ends,either being less skilled than a spacie that i beat with marth,or by getting beat by a lesser skilled Marth player while playing a spacie.
@@Dontbother- Its not true, I have the almost opposite experience playing Falco (I main Marth) and getting free wins because laser are op in neutral and dair and bair are super safe and very strong. I don't think Falco is busted tho or all that easy except at low level. My point is mostly that saying anyone could do what ossify does is super reductive and also flat out false.
@@Thierce Bair are super safe?Against marth???Do you know what range is? You told me enough to not take you seriously, if you got trouble below Master dealing with b-air while playing Marth,well...Good luck dude
Imo with mango doing the reckless approaches and sd's along side ossify to mix up and find areas of mangos play as openings for being reckless. I don't think this will happen again. Props to him but I think it was a flub
Sets like these are what differentiate Mango from the real GOATS Armada and Hungrybox. Armada had only one loss to a non-top 6 player which was Swedish Delight and Hungrybox has way less losses to people outside of the top 10 than Mango. Mango cannot go a year without missing a top 8 or dropping sets he shouldn't like this one but Hbox is much more consistent with his wins/losses. This is why as time goes on Hungrybox will clearly surpass Mango and come into real contention with Armada for being the true GOAT of melee. Mango will continue to fumble as Hungrybox makes more and more top 8s and might even win majors again if he puts in the practice.
I would bet 100 bucks mango will be higher ranked and have higher peaks and better results overall than hbox by the end of this year. Mango actually tries to add new shit to his game Hbox is gonna stay getting destroyed by zain and cody as long as he doesn't give a shit to practice and add literally anything new at all to his game. And i want hgod to be back but he clearly cares more about streaming ultimate than being the best at melee again and that's fine and I don't blame him. but come on bro he plays fucking puff of course he's gonna be more consistent Hbox vs the best players has looked consistently bad since post pandemic. At smash con last year I thought I saw the real hgod back but he still ended up getting reverse 3-0d by zain and ended up doing bad at big house and genesis. Idk I want both of them to be back in prime form but they been playing a long ass time acting like hbox has more goat status than mango is just crazy when he did not have the peaks mango had at all post pandemic.
Not saying mango isn't a huge pussy not willing to play hbox for real at all last year like mango pisses me off too but armada don't play anymore and there's just no argument where hbox has higher goat status than either of them. Also armada quit right after losing to swedish and the overall level has improved exponentially since then at this point I just don't think he's in the conversation at all anymore as much as I wish he still played too. If hbox didn't find so much success streaming during covid I bet he would be the undisputable goat right now but I really don't think he cares at all to be the best now.
@@wettuna1769Imagine thinking that losing to rank 35 and 48 still makes you the GOAT over someone who went 8 straight years without losing to anyone outside of the top 6 lmao.
@@tristanswim this “had nothing to do with you” either, yet here you are. All jokes aside, me taking 10 seconds out of my day to reply isn’t exactly crazy.
Ossify might actually be the next big story for Melee, and The Big House was just the prologue.
Nah he’s just another kodorin, don’t see anything special here
@@Nimble39”yeah just another top 20 player” try being top 20 at anything relevant
@@Nimble39at least he seems significantly less annoying than kodo
@@Nimble39 Then you haven't watched enough Melee lmao ` s
Stop lol he’s the best hunchback of notre dame lmao
ANTI SPOILER COMMENT
This spoils it lowkey
Ty baby girl
W
Bro thanks so much
Goat ty
Jesus his composure is insane
repent to God
@@Baggerz182what? 😂
Damn, one of my new favs for sure, love this guy's style
13:42 game 5 last stock and he had the patience to wait that long after that second uair. this guy is gonna be insane
Ossify will be top 10 by the end of the year
B O S S I F Y
Ossify has patience man that's insane
"You need some time in the rock tumbler."
would love to see mangos fox again. his falcos so sick but his fox is on another level
wish he went full fox solo main
His fox got cooked by Sirmeris, I don't think it's a character issue
@@purpleplusgold agreed, he just constantly seems so mentally checked out and everyone is getting so good that he can't just rely on being 'better' than everyone like he used to
is it the same guy every time begging for mango fox? i haven't been paying attention
the live organist is actually crazy fire
i wonder if he didn't popoff out of respect
dude looks like airsoftfatty who never talks to anyone unless talked to and you expect him to popoff on camera with a big crowd behind him?
the gameplay spoke for itself. the sequence 12:35 it was like 11 correct decisions
@@JM43438airsoftfatty would popoff in the most socially unaware way possible. I feel like he kept it cool out of respect here lol
I haven't been in the michigan smash community for long, but I have never seen him pop off ever at least in any of the regionals he's won, he just doesn't seem like the type to pop off
THIS IS THE GUY THE GUY RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He took mango....🤯
no joke i believe this guys punish game is 100% more labbed out and refined than zain's rn, he has a pretty unique and creative approach to punish like going for uptilt -> techchase on fd instead of the chaingrab, as zain has been struggling with the chaingrab for some time now with people getting really good at ambiguous DI and SDIing uptilts. I would still take zains adaptations and neutral over ossify's dont get me wrong, but to play a guy for the first time who hits this hard and this differently i dont blame mango for getting caught off guard, some of the most out of the box and creative marth combos ive seen in a while.
nah bro just late aerialed every time and caught mango off guard. wait a few months youll see
This was all just classic Marth stuff - looked more like circa-2015 Marth than Zain, who is labbed out the wazoo.
Honestly just all the old m2k tricks. it's fun to watch
@@bhr788 you could not be more wrong lmao
@@pcrsweetness you were probably like 8 during m2k’s prime - go back and watch old sets and you’ll see
This set was hype af
This is the church of melee
Ossify’s marth goes crazy so much swag
This wouldn't be as big of a win if not because of Mango's prowess over the ages. Beating a titan like that is no small feat. Love and peace too both players ✌️
6:12 that waveshine hit confirm and the insane aerial drift to follow the DI is probably one of the mang0iest ways i’ve seen mang0 start a combo.
how does he lose this set???
Coming back to the melee scene after many years, and I can’t tell if mango has gotten slower or the competition has gotten better
if you've been in the scene after many years, youd be able to clearly see that competition catches up and mango refuses to learn.
I love my brudder
Keep grinding Mang. I still see the heart. Hell of a set from Ossify
12:46
That subtle, exasperated head-tilt is the closest Mang0 gets to showing respect for his opponent lol. He's thinking 'Damn, another 1?' (Ossify joining M2K n Zain as Marths who've given Mang0 trouble in his career.)
Watched this live in the front row. Midwest loves ossify. I love mang, but this was incredible to watch Ossify make the comeback
12:15 that was such a good stock
LETS FUCKING GOOOOO!!! I knew my boy Ossify was the fucking shit! Red Marths represent!
Ossify and Mango played each other in pools at BH7
jeez ossify was GAMING here
I most say of all the top players, Zain's play style was the least expected that I thought I've been able to watch being perfectly replicated.
For me it’s probably plup but Zain was up there
Zain and Kodorin reaaaaaaal quiet rn
Mang0 needs to put his change in his right pocket, put a hat backwards and stick a tee in his ear after that one.
9:45 THAT WAS SICK FROM OSSIFY
I popped off for him lmao so dope
OSSIFY IS SO FUCKING SICK! Hoping him a ABSOLUTELY amazing run up the leaderboard
Ossify is sick
Ossify coming for the top marth spot
This set was hot!
Yo let’s FUKKIN GOOOOO 😮
ossify is sick wtf
Zain is still the best, but this made Ossify the most entertaining Marth for me. Jesus.
That kid is good man
I'm surprised how successfully Simply has transitioned from speedrunning to melee! (Commonly known as a reverse-Armada)
Beating Mang0 after playing for only 2 years?? God gamer
8:25
Why do you think we have had so few good white Marths? No one reps the white Marth.
Mang0 trope: Classic game 5 w the new blood. Leffen, then Plup, Zain, now Bossify.
"Seeing everyone excited that I lost to a person who just noob checked me 27 times in a row
Ooooooo baby it's all forming so slowly
MIGHT NOT TODAY OR TOMORROW BUT ITS COMING" -Mang0
This mental is why Oss will win the next one too.
Is this Mang0 flop or Ossify w
Didnt watch live lmk if you can
A bit of both i think. Ossify is the 35th Best in the world, Mango is 8th. So for someone to beat someone 27 places higher than them. their performance ranges need to have some overlap. Ossify probably played at the higher end of his performance range, and Mango at the lower end. Mango probably the most known top player for having a famously wide performance range. Last couple of years he can look like the 2nd best player in the world sometimes, and then sometimes look like the 50th best player in the world. It's always been his biggest weakness as a competitor. For example people on the other end of the scale of performance range is Armada or Zain. their variance is at worst is playing like 1st in the world to 8th in the world, but their mean performance would be like 2nd-3rd.
Imagine if he trained his grab punish, he would have destroyed him M2K/Zain style
playstyle reminds me of m2k
He probably learned from M2K and has taken inspiration from him for sure.
Ossify is what Salt was supposed to be
Ossify is what would be if Salt chose a top tier
Feel like Mang0 needs to whip out the fox vs marth. I feel like his fox would do alot better against high level marth's than his falco.
now is not just the sheik that beat mango, is also the marth😂
Bruh yoshis was not the play
Nice
Mango playing so stubborn, and I get it. Marth is... makes you want to do that...
I swear those are baby's input . I don't see one input a new comer couldn't have done after what , 3 hours being guided ? This character is literally why i quit playing . And yes im salty about it lol
@@Dontbother- strongest copium ever witnessed
@@Thierce It is true tho.If you're not playing great,a marth can easily beat you by just responding with tilts to your movements and approach.He basically has a round hit box around him covering every angles,with good frame data,end lag,and formidable kill power.I admit the character falls off at very high level,but i myself switched to marth and have WAY better results despite having played him way less than spacies.Its just facts,spamming down tilt at the edge makes almost perfect edgeguard unless you got the sweet spot on the ledge,if enemy goes higher you just do a f-smash or jump f-air/d-air. Its beatable,but you unless are in a top 32 settings,you gotta be way better than the marth.Tell me otherwise if you want but i experienced it from both ends,either being less skilled than a spacie that i beat with marth,or by getting beat by a lesser skilled Marth player while playing a spacie.
@@Dontbother- Its not true, I have the almost opposite experience playing Falco (I main Marth) and getting free wins because laser are op in neutral and dair and bair are super safe and very strong. I don't think Falco is busted tho or all that easy except at low level.
My point is mostly that saying anyone could do what ossify does is super reductive and also flat out false.
@@Thierce Bair are super safe?Against marth???Do you know what range is? You told me enough to not take you seriously, if you got trouble below Master dealing with b-air while playing Marth,well...Good luck dude
Idk who ossify is, he’s clearly great at the game, but he’s giving doct oct vibes
ossify will replace kodorin
If you have to use a hater comment to lift someone else up, then you are just a sad person
Ossify OHHhHhhh
They're both pressing W... I found you PC brotha
If mango won it wouldve been the upset
I want what you're smoking
Ossify is a monster not lowkey.
Ossify makes me realize how fucking boring Zain is
😮
mango sold
hooooly shit that Marth is sexy
Welp now theres a new top 5 player
Imo with mango doing the reckless approaches and sd's along side ossify to mix up and find areas of mangos play as openings for being reckless. I don't think this will happen again. Props to him but I think it was a flub
Sets like these are what differentiate Mango from the real GOATS Armada and Hungrybox. Armada had only one loss to a non-top 6 player which was Swedish Delight and Hungrybox has way less losses to people outside of the top 10 than Mango. Mango cannot go a year without missing a top 8 or dropping sets he shouldn't like this one but Hbox is much more consistent with his wins/losses. This is why as time goes on Hungrybox will clearly surpass Mango and come into real contention with Armada for being the true GOAT of melee. Mango will continue to fumble as Hungrybox makes more and more top 8s and might even win majors again if he puts in the practice.
I would bet 100 bucks mango will be higher ranked and have higher peaks and better results overall than hbox by the end of this year. Mango actually tries to add new shit to his game Hbox is gonna stay getting destroyed by zain and cody as long as he doesn't give a shit to practice and add literally anything new at all to his game. And i want hgod to be back but he clearly cares more about streaming ultimate than being the best at melee again and that's fine and I don't blame him. but come on bro he plays fucking puff of course he's gonna be more consistent Hbox vs the best players has looked consistently bad since post pandemic. At smash con last year I thought I saw the real hgod back but he still ended up getting reverse 3-0d by zain and ended up doing bad at big house and genesis. Idk I want both of them to be back in prime form but they been playing a long ass time acting like hbox has more goat status than mango is just crazy when he did not have the peaks mango had at all post pandemic.
Not saying mango isn't a huge pussy not willing to play hbox for real at all last year like mango pisses me off too but armada don't play anymore and there's just no argument where hbox has higher goat status than either of them. Also armada quit right after losing to swedish and the overall level has improved exponentially since then at this point I just don't think he's in the conversation at all anymore as much as I wish he still played too. If hbox didn't find so much success streaming during covid I bet he would be the undisputable goat right now but I really don't think he cares at all to be the best now.
@@wettuna1769Armada is the GOAT. Cope
Armada isn't the GOAT and never will be the GOAT at the end of Melee. Hbox isn't coming back, it's going to be Zain.
@@wettuna1769Imagine thinking that losing to rank 35 and 48 still makes you the GOAT over someone who went 8 straight years without losing to anyone outside of the top 6 lmao.
I think HBOX should be the new GOAT if he out ranks Mang0 this year.
true Hbox so good he made armada quit
@@Hyperion856that's just not true.
Armada had a winning record on Juan that year and only quit bc of a lack of motivation.
@@Hyperion856 I love hbox but EmpLemon took some liberties with storytelling. Armada did not quit because of Hbox.
Poeple are still playing this??? Omg
Even in 20 more years, now and forever
Great things last, sucky things like ultimate get thrown out when the next game comes.
Lmao not my goat
Marth is busted op. Melees DLC character
Fox is right there bro
mango is washed lol
Washed.
Washed
You make it sound like Ossify would be easy to beat.
@@tristanswim you sound like you went to the school of Witty Remarks for 12 Year Olds
@@tristanswim this “had nothing to do with you” either, yet here you are.
All jokes aside, me taking 10 seconds out of my day to reply isn’t exactly crazy.
@@tristanswim I don't see how that's a a point. I mean what else am I gonna do on the toilet?
@@itsbmeGaming whipe your ass and move on, energy leech
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