@@braedenzurfluh1308the science is used to be more efficient with your exercises. It’s the reason form matters. On top of that, how well your form is could influence your maximum strength in a certain movement
True for isolation exercises but form for most compound exercises is more to do with not messing your body up for life. Giving people half information is dangerous.
The problem is he’s also doing it “wrong” lmao. You don’t need to go that far down to your chest. And no I didn’t figured that out. Yannis Karrer explained that. Your Lats are fully contracted when your right on the level of your mouth or nose.
@aarons4716 I agree with you ! However, this mostly works if your objective is to isolate more of the lats. However Jeff is giving a great advice about those extra-partials for optimal muscle growth (which is the main point of this short)
@@aarons4716well the depth at which you pull depends on your goals. If you want bigger lats, your right. You don’t need to go fully down. But if you’re semi-new to working out and focusing on stabilization (which the majority of people should be) then a full range of motion is ABSOLUTELY necessary. Unless you’ve been hitting the gym consistently for like 2-3 years already, full range is definitely necessary.
@@AMDBnmr true! Many People (mostly men) think they’re gonna look weak in front of the others when they can’t get the rep done in full range of motion (without distort their face lmao). Partial reps are those who build 👍🏻
Tbh Sam is probably just very in tune with his body. Tried it one time, felt a difference, stuck with it. I feel like a lot of science is that way. Someone did something, that event stuck out to them, they had to know why.
@@atrumpetwillsound Science doesnt just try to explain why it works, it also tries to quantify if it works or not and/or how much it works. OP is definitely right that a lot of science is people just doing random shit, noticing something seemingly significant and then trying to quantify and qualify it.
@@callanc3925 Science is when you test your hypothesis and figure out what's actually true, not try things and feel out what works. Science is pretty much the opposite of the Sam Sulek example here.
@@Notski Your first statement is literally what i said in my last sentence. Until people have a hypothesis they are just noticing shit. Newtons theory of gravity famously was prompted by him seeing an apple fall from a tree and extrapolating a hypothesis from there. Just like people in the gym tried doing partial reps after they could no longer do full reps, they noticed that it felt like it had a meaningful effect which formulated a hypothesis which ended up being tested (probably by someone else). We arent saying sam follows the scientific method, although hes 100% more clued up on the science of exercise than most gym goers. We are saying that people messing around and coming up with ideas is the basis of how we go about forming hypotheses.
@@callanc3925 no you are missing my point. Science is NOT trying out things. Science is what comes after that. What Sam is doing in this example is only the first part, which completely leaves out the science part.
He's wrong on this. This theory that the negative is more "important" than the positive for muscle growth is wrong. There are lots of studies done where they would take group A and have them do fast reps without really worrying about the negative and group B would do less reps, but they would hold and slowly release eccentrically so that there would be more time under tension. The study concluded that Group A got better muscle growth than group B.
@@youngpbands9507 You're completely misunderstanding the point. Technique comes first. There is no serious set without paying attention to your technique and doing your best in that department. That is how you grow muscle and prevent inqury.
Wow, nice! Look at you! In all seriousness, I get more lat soreness out of close grip chin ups than any other pulling variation, tried all grips and wrist positions. Still do pronated and wide grip pulls for variations, but every time it seems like the supposedly bicep heavy pull just slams my lats
Sam sulek is definitely a scienced based lifter. He said, "Let's put as much chemicals in my body as possible like a science project and let's see if I get big." Ha
The eccentric phase in a lat machine is on the way up, when the lat starts to lenghting again, the concentric phase in case is when you pull the bar down
There is actually nk research showing, negatives or eccentric contraction builds more muscle. It does and can make you more sore, thats for sure. I agree on controlling the eccentric phase. Stretch and shorten.
I’m not a gym guy at all but I stay in shape through basic weight lifting with free weights , squats etc, anytime I do any of these types of machines , lat pull down bars, cables etc, I always have a weird injury, I know I’m probably doing it wrong but my introvertness won’t allow me to ask someone to help me . That’s why I just stick to free weights and working out at home .
I completed Airborne school with a partially dislocated shoulder with nerve damage and dislocated rib. Didn't know at the time but you only need one arm to slip.
How tall is Jesse? Jeff's like 5'4 and floats between 165 and 185 or so, shredded to bulked respectively. Jesse looks at least 5 10, what should the difference be in weight for at least a 6 inch height differential? To me, jeff looks like a 225 5 10 fella, only he's 5'4". In any case, Jeff's far more accomplished as a competitive bodybuilder, way more educated, much more focused on the current science and actually trains people as part of his business. It'd be stupid to assume Jesse knows anywhere near as much as Jeff nipples, and it's even more stupid to assume the biggest guy with the best genetics understands the nuances and variables of hypertrophy training more than someone who had to figure out how to grow. You're nuts bro
@@yesimbigwesso doing partials prevents injuries? Jeff makes things so complicated and is known for making these weird exercises that have no superior benefit to the common ones
@@Chris-wh8lm was more so talking about eccentrics rather than partials. I don’t know the validity behind partials and would only recommend sticking to 6-12 reps per set if you want to gain strength/hypertrophy because there is scientific evidence to back that up. If you do 12 reps to failure and then do a few partial reps, then you’re getting into the range for endurance as opposed to strength/hypertrophy.
Makes me happy the science guy said something positive about Sam. I know I know " he's juiced up 💅" but he's obviously doing something fkn insane. My coach kicked me out n iveybeen training TF every movement since then . Pretty crazy lol I'm sore every morning AGAIM but I'll report in few Months 😅
Sam Sulek is a science based lifter is not a sentence I expected to hear before he turns 30. The man is strong as hell but he launches those weights all over the place. It’s impressive as heck but about as far from science based as possible and still be effective.
Ppl annoy me in the gym so much when i start doing partial reps and i feel ashamed if i try to tell them abt partials bc im only 17 teaching someone double my age 😭
Hell no, I've been lifting on and off for a cou0le of years. If any one comes up to me and gives me advice I'll always give it a shot just to see if it really does help. Don't be ashamed, be confident and proud of the knowledge you're willing to share
You would be surprised how much i picked up from the heartbroken teenage kids at my gym lmao! Knowledge has no age! Feel confident to share what you know
Every lifter ever is a science based lifter, the machines were made by scientists to specifically meet the needs to grow and maintain muscle safely, eating properly requires scientific knowledge… knowledge is power knowing how your body works makes you better at using it 🤟 🧬 🔬
I feeeeel like lat pull downs work the best for me when I arch my back, pull the bar towards my upper chest keeping the bar pathway entirely vertical/straight, and especially leaning forward on the stretch down. I lift less weight by just a bit but the pump and stretch is insane.. anyone else?
I wish my gym had a lat pulldown that actually made my lats stretch. When I grab the bar at the starting position, my arms are almost at a 90 degree angle. Xsport sucks.
"Dont try to be bad on purpose"
Called him out
Hard
Devastating
Content brain😂
Hit him with the oh so you've just been lifting for a couple months huh? 😂
jeff explaining 3 vis in 1
Anyone else would make this 5 different videos
@@braedenzurfluh1308That means they could look even better using science
@@braedenzurfluh1308the science is used to be more efficient with your exercises. It’s the reason form matters. On top of that, how well your form is could influence your maximum strength in a certain movement
True for isolation exercises but form for most compound exercises is more to do with not messing your body up for life. Giving people half information is dangerous.
Jeff just being savage for no reason... "don't try to be bad on purpose..." 😂💀
It's called his real personality coming trough
You two idiots exemplify what is wrong with this country
ok and well he!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! neeed!!!!!!!!!! to shut up!!!!! and stop being savage too james
@@onnes608 U prolly watched that one Greg Doucette short lmao
@@onnes608it’s called a joke u just have twitter syndrome.
JEFF THE GOAT
😂😂, just do pull ups
@@zeeshaanhussain4521you’re an idiot😂that’s not the point
@@zeeshaanhussain4521fax
@@zeeshaanhussain4521can we have kids together I love you for this 😔
Dr Mike the goat**
Sam really is a science based lifter bc he got that periodic table in his veins
OMFG 😭😭🤣🤣
yeah hes more of a science experiment
@@henryemilygaming1022based
Holy shit 💀
He did say science based, he didn't say natty.
Jeff like that one teacher that looks at your paper and says make sure we’re taking our time on this 😂
Brooo they be loud asf standing right behind you. “Make sure you read the directions CAREFULLY” ahh teachers.
Really nice teachers that try to save our stupid errors 😂
@@tsbchris2259casually admitting you were one of those kids.
"GUYS MAKE SURE YOU DO EVERY STEP OF PROBLEM NUMBER 12!" then they side-eye you crazy
@@AClaidermanand you weren’t 😂 lmfao, piss off
fixed our* lat pulldowns
Indeed, comrade
I used a supinated (chin-up) grip and it’s been great. Helped me finally rep 90lbs on chin-ups for 5 spotless reps
@@christianrios6295, it's fake
*Soviet anthem starts playing*
He dont fixed it, its not the right way to adress your Lat
Keep it coming, love Jeff getting recognized.
Dude deserves this.
Recognised? Jeff has like a million subs but I think I know what you mean
I am very happy knowing that I started lifting with the most optimal technique (thanks to Jeff ofc)
The problem is he’s also doing it “wrong” lmao. You don’t need to go that far down to your chest. And no I didn’t figured that out. Yannis Karrer explained that. Your Lats are fully contracted when your right on the level of your mouth or nose.
@aarons4716 I agree with you ! However, this mostly works if your objective is to isolate more of the lats.
However Jeff is giving a great advice about those extra-partials for optimal muscle growth (which is the main point of this short)
@@aarons4716well the depth at which you pull depends on your goals. If you want bigger lats, your right. You don’t need to go fully down. But if you’re semi-new to working out and focusing on stabilization (which the majority of people should be) then a full range of motion is ABSOLUTELY necessary. Unless you’ve been hitting the gym consistently for like 2-3 years already, full range is definitely necessary.
@@aarons4716 bull
@@AMDBnmr true! Many People (mostly men) think they’re gonna look weak in front of the others when they can’t get the rep done in full range of motion (without distort their face lmao). Partial reps are those who build 👍🏻
Tbh Sam is probably just very in tune with his body. Tried it one time, felt a difference, stuck with it. I feel like a lot of science is that way. Someone did something, that event stuck out to them, they had to know why.
it's not science unless they write it down lol that's just experience, the science tries to explain why it works
@@atrumpetwillsound Science doesnt just try to explain why it works, it also tries to quantify if it works or not and/or how much it works.
OP is definitely right that a lot of science is people just doing random shit, noticing something seemingly significant and then trying to quantify and qualify it.
@@callanc3925 Science is when you test your hypothesis and figure out what's actually true, not try things and feel out what works. Science is pretty much the opposite of the Sam Sulek example here.
@@Notski Your first statement is literally what i said in my last sentence. Until people have a hypothesis they are just noticing shit.
Newtons theory of gravity famously was prompted by him seeing an apple fall from a tree and extrapolating a hypothesis from there. Just like people in the gym tried doing partial reps after they could no longer do full reps, they noticed that it felt like it had a meaningful effect which formulated a hypothesis which ended up being tested (probably by someone else).
We arent saying sam follows the scientific method, although hes 100% more clued up on the science of exercise than most gym goers. We are saying that people messing around and coming up with ideas is the basis of how we go about forming hypotheses.
@@callanc3925 no you are missing my point. Science is NOT trying out things. Science is what comes after that.
What Sam is doing in this example is only the first part, which completely leaves out the science part.
Tried these with my spine straight and not arched like you normally would and man my lower lats are activated! Also improved torso stability!
"The negative is more important than the positive." Got it! Thanks
Me, an optimist: 😮
He's wrong on this. This theory that the negative is more "important" than the positive for muscle growth is wrong. There are lots of studies done where they would take group A and have them do fast reps without really worrying about the negative and group B would do less reps, but they would hold and slowly release eccentrically so that there would be more time under tension. The study concluded that Group A got better muscle growth than group B.
@@Andrew-nm4qhSince you're not a UA-camr with thousands of followers, I do not believe you.
@@SkorpsInGaming real
@@SkorpsInGaming Jeff actually proved himself wrong in his own recent-ish study. Just fyi
Jeff's pulldown is a thing of beauty. That smoothness with consistent bar path... I could watch it for days.
Not very hard to achieve when you’re pulling 50% of the weight you’d do on a serious set
@@youngpbands9507 You're completely misunderstanding the point. Technique comes first. There is no serious set without paying attention to your technique and doing your best in that department. That is how you grow muscle and prevent inqury.
Why are you ghey?
Noticed that even when Jeff’s trying to show you what not to do, he can’t help but control the eccentric a little bit
*I can tell that this trainer here knows what he's saying and doing.. And all of his trainings, and lessons are all on point..*
Thanks for the point on partial reps. Never knew that 👍
Your vibe is infectious, love watching your content!
Your pfp has infectious links...
@@Dark-Nightmxre-it’s a bot🤦
It's a bot dude@@Dark-Nightmxre-
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sam is amazing at pushing sets to failure by himself if he had someone to help him i could imagine
Jesse does everything right, his muscle is engaged and you can see it clearly.
His lats don't lengthen at the top
@@JAMESmmmmmm they kinda do, he just doesn't hold it.
@@Ulrna I once saw a guy bust on a hotdog like it was a third condiment along with the ketchup and mustard
Best advice I gave myself, it actual made a difference in my lats and I personally feel it more with a close grip
Wow, nice! Look at you! In all seriousness, I get more lat soreness out of close grip chin ups than any other pulling variation, tried all grips and wrist positions. Still do pronated and wide grip pulls for variations, but every time it seems like the supposedly bicep heavy pull just slams my lats
This guy just seems so knowledgeable on anything I ever watch him talking about!
Another fantastic Jeff/Jesse duo
Thank you cause I really needed this
Sam’s a smart kid, he knows what he’s doing
Why doesn’t his body look like his perfect technique’s. I expect for someone to be fckng shredded if they critique form this hard .
Love the partial rep.
Never thought of that for lats!
Sam sulek is definitely a scienced based lifter. He said, "Let's put as much chemicals in my body as possible like a science project and let's see if I get big." Ha
donated his body to science while he still alive
Muahaha
I don’t know why but this video felt so cozy and like a nice chat, maybe cuz it’s December now 🙃
The trainers forearms are freaking massive, so well defined.
Jeff funny af
The eccentric phase in a lat machine is on the way up, when the lat starts to lenghting again, the concentric phase in case is when you pull the bar down
my lat pulldown is perfectly fine thankyou very much
Thanks for the tips. Just started doing this.
Bloody love this, how may times have I seen people do this wrong.
Sam is my favorite science based lifter cuz that dude is basically a science experiment
jeff is the man
Bros forearm🥶
this colab is great 😃🎉😊
Just proves perfect form doesn’t matter, Look how shredded Jesse is
“ baby reps just give me baby reps come on!”
Top notch content 👌
Sulek and Jeff need a collab
i just envision in my head that i’m doing a pull up instead a of a pull down and it helps me engage my lats and keep that eccentric motion.
I see so many people pulling back as far as they can.
What’s the right way of trying to walk up and help someone
Ask him the best way to dial 911.😂😂😂
He let Conor down 😂😂
i love that you take his advice and not be one of them guys that act like they know it all
the irony is hilarious
Great sharing sir ❤❤
Jesse is a paid actor!
The way it contracts. -pulling apart-
There is actually nk research showing, negatives or eccentric contraction builds more muscle. It does and can make you more sore, thats for sure.
I agree on controlling the eccentric phase. Stretch and shorten.
Generally, you can always push out several more partial reps on any movement
Sam is a walking science experiment
That science based lifting joke made me die
I’m not a gym guy at all but I stay in shape through basic weight lifting with free weights , squats etc, anytime I do any of these types of machines , lat pull down bars, cables etc, I always have a weird injury, I know I’m probably doing it wrong but my introvertness won’t allow me to ask someone to help me .
That’s why I just stick to free weights and working out at home .
I completed Airborne school with a partially dislocated shoulder with nerve damage and dislocated rib. Didn't know at the time but you only need one arm to slip.
i personally find it hard to believe that the negative is more important than the positive. the half reps are golden tho
Bruv rly said negative is more important than possitive 😂
I swear Sam has always been science based he’s just lowkey about it
"he is... he is the best"
I always love how a smaller, less toned guy is telling the other guy how to lift, classic
How tall is Jesse? Jeff's like 5'4 and floats between 165 and 185 or so, shredded to bulked respectively. Jesse looks at least 5 10, what should the difference be in weight for at least a 6 inch height differential? To me, jeff looks like a 225 5 10 fella, only he's 5'4". In any case, Jeff's far more accomplished as a competitive bodybuilder, way more educated, much more focused on the current science and actually trains people as part of his business. It'd be stupid to assume Jesse knows anywhere near as much as Jeff nipples, and it's even more stupid to assume the biggest guy with the best genetics understands the nuances and variables of hypertrophy training more than someone who had to figure out how to grow. You're nuts bro
@@rockyevans1584well said
Doesn’t matter if he doing it right or not. His physique says otherwise
Yeah but it’s not all about the physique. It’s also about maximizing the efficiency of your workout and injury prevention.
@@yesimbigwesso doing partials prevents injuries? Jeff makes things so complicated and is known for making these weird exercises that have no superior benefit to the common ones
@@Chris-wh8lm was more so talking about eccentrics rather than partials. I don’t know the validity behind partials and would only recommend sticking to 6-12 reps per set if you want to gain strength/hypertrophy because there is scientific evidence to back that up. If you do 12 reps to failure and then do a few partial reps, then you’re getting into the range for endurance as opposed to strength/hypertrophy.
@@yesimbigwesif you still can do partial reps you're still close to failure, not failure
Makes me happy the science guy said something positive about Sam. I know I know " he's juiced up 💅" but he's obviously doing something fkn insane. My coach kicked me out n iveybeen training TF every movement since then . Pretty crazy lol I'm sore every morning AGAIM but I'll report in few Months 😅
Sam Sulek is a science based lifter is not a sentence I expected to hear before he turns 30. The man is strong as hell but he launches those weights all over the place. It’s impressive as heck but about as far from science based as possible and still be effective.
I like this tip
"Sam is the best" ❤
Bodybuilding is the only sport where we focus on the negative and failure ! 😁
Ppl annoy me in the gym so much when i start doing partial reps and i feel ashamed if i try to tell them abt partials bc im only 17 teaching someone double my age 😭
Hell no, I've been lifting on and off for a cou0le of years. If any one comes up to me and gives me advice I'll always give it a shot just to see if it really does help. Don't be ashamed, be confident and proud of the knowledge you're willing to share
I have been training for more than 14 years and when someone advice me about anything in the gym i give a try
You would be surprised how much i picked up from the heartbroken teenage kids at my gym lmao! Knowledge has no age! Feel confident to share what you know
Ur never too old to learn anything. But people can be too stubborn learn new things.
@@kcjlive1694 ay thanks for letting me know, means a lot
Intuition based lifters stand up ⬆️ 🧍♂️
Seeing Jeff near normal sized gymbros makes me realise he's actually quite small even in mass
Subd- gonna need to know everything this man knows
Every lifter ever is a science based lifter, the machines were made by scientists to specifically meet the needs to grow and maintain muscle safely, eating properly requires scientific knowledge… knowledge is power knowing how your body works makes you better at using it 🤟 🧬 🔬
Jeff just spitting out whatever mike says
They disagree on the implementation of training to failure. Also, jeff wears hair to spite mike
Fellow gym shirt tucker. Im not the only one!
Hey Jessie big fan love your content
Tucking in your tshirt in the sweats is diabolical
Like my cousin told me, you always got something left in the tank ( for partials)
The guy with smaller lats giving advice, love to see it
Id keep doing what hes doing guy is a beast
me realizing ive been doing partials the whole time
Arnold talked about this 40 yrs ago in pumping iron
Caption should be “the nip nerd fixed everything I thought I knew about building muscle brooooo”🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼chyaaaah
lol 🤣 this guy is the correct form police 👮🏻♂️
his sweats make me believe him
The duo we never thought we needed but now need more of. 🙌🏼
Thank you 🙏
Day1 "OK I'll start doing partial reps"
Day 3 *end up in gym fail video*
looks like mike mentzer method starting to be more and more popular .
I didn’t even know Jeff was still a thing.
he's great
I feeeeel like lat pull downs work the best for me when I arch my back, pull the bar towards my upper chest keeping the bar pathway entirely vertical/straight, and especially leaning forward on the stretch down. I lift less weight by just a bit but the pump and stretch is insane..
anyone else?
It’s always the little guy with that Weasley voice trynna tell someone bigger there shit is wrong haha
Jeff nippard talking big for being 5'4
Paul Carter suggests 5-8 reps for hyper trophy gains. somebody contest this
I wish my gym had a lat pulldown that actually made my lats stretch. When I grab the bar at the starting position, my arms are almost at a 90 degree angle. Xsport sucks.
I find my biceps give out before my lats
Using a neutral grip bar thingy was more comfortable for me, since my forearms wouldn't get burntout doing 2 sets to failures
Did the exact thing today and felt my lats for the first time ever
@@neerajnongmaithem392It just feels better and to me is more smooth
What it looks like to be told something u already kno
It’s cool that lifting is this evolved but it’s also why i feel like im just not working out correctly lmao.
It doesn't have to be slow. It has to be "controlled".
My two daddies
So it’s the opposite of normal advice: focus on the negative ;)