that wasnt the case when all those people went off track with deegan in sx so why would that be the case now? either take back a penalty from months ago or do the same as theyve been doing and dock the person who did something against the rules and not dock the person who followed the rules. are we gonna dock masterpool too because technically he accelerated off track after his crash? if not thats not fair and no one should be penalized
Trust me, none of them go off track on purpose. It’s one thing if they go off and cut a corner getting back on. But rolling past a jump and then hopping back onto the same straight is not an advantage in any way.
t many grey areas. Haiden did not pass anyone or did not gain any time when going off track. He won fair and square He was pulling away from Levi Kitchen toward the last two laps. Levi was having a bad day. He wasn't as fast as he usually is.
I think a lot of people assumed it was the part we all saw in moto 1 when haiden went off the track and obviously lost ground to Levi. The review was about a separate incident when haiden went off in moto 2. It happened when kitchen was probably the closest he ever got to haiden, haiden went off track coming out of a corner and went around a jump. He definitely didn't gain ground, but I think the reason they looked at it is because as soon as haiden got back to the very edge of the track he pinned it and threw a big roost, but technically he was inside the track markers at that point. I don't think there should be a penalty, but I do understand why they looked at it for so long because it was really close
None off them should been have had points taking off them he made no time Tom did he gonna win it away so people need to stop hating on the kid listen to no 7 JS IN LIVE SHOW SAID HAIDEN WAS YOUNG BEAST MODE
I mean he filled what he was supposed to do he when your riding so fast and you go off it’s gonna happen you probably don’t even race and if you do you don’t go fast enough to know
It’s up to the AMA director. Who, if you didn’t know, directs the AMA. Therefore, no one has say so but the director of the AMA. Which means it doesn’t matter what we think or what is right or wrong. We all know the rules are a huge grey area. No different than targeting in football. Some people get thrown out. Some people get away with it. Sounds like life to me.
if we dock deegan here we go and dock multiple people for going off with deegan in sx and deegan being the only one docked. or we take away deegan penalty from months ago.
G move from haiden making Levi answer for him. Props to Levi for being honest also. I see a season long battle between these two guys. Great start for team 38
I could see it going either direction. But it seems like some weekends the inconsistencies work for you and the next it works against you. Seems kinda petty on PC's end tbh especially this early in the season. Let it roll and get him next weekend..
I feel like the way he rides won't transfer well to a 450, but maybe that's just how he rides the 250. I feel like Jett was just finesse and body position when Deegan is WFO.
@@TheTanner218 He's got a ways to go to get that all sorted out. It's definitely going to take a ton of strength to keep his same style. maybe it's possible in supercross but I'm not sure it will work for longer outdoors motos. Maybe he'll pick up some tomac influence if they keep riding together.
@@TheTanner218they have him training on a 450 like 2 days out of the week so he can ride the 250 the way he does.. Once he gets to 450s he’ll make the adjustments and get to the top after a couple seasons.
He can be top 5 but he is definitely no Jett. His style requires a lot of strength but he is also too erratic and makes too many mistakes to consistently challenge the top guys. He will have arm pump issues for sure with his style of riding.
If Tom was penalized then Deegs should be. Personally neither should be, but the fact that they were instant to penalize Tom and then had to “think” about Deegan shows some favoritism
Actually, none of them should’ve been penalized. Ryan & Ricky was on point with their analysis. The shot callers who penalized them are the problem. Because they weren’t clear & equal across the board when they penalized them. They also said nothing would’ve changed (other than the points) if none of them were penalized.
I think he shouldn’t be docked because he didn’t move up a place but the best thing to do is let the other rider go ahead just to be sure then just chase him down and pass him again which Haden is going to do anyway. Haden, it’s time for a cool pro motocross riders haircut that looks bad ass. Get the fluff out and look serious and people will take you serious. It’s going to be a long journey because your going to be one of the best riders ever in the 450 class as well
i dont care what anyone says this years 250 class has become much more interesting than the 450 class. much prefer watching the 250s over the 450s much in part to a guy named Deegan😮
No. Haiden always lost ground and he looked back to get on the track “safely”. Tom didn’t and he kept his same gap over Deegan. Simple as that. Obviously the AMA saw it the same or else they definitely would’ve penalized him.
No they’re pretty inconsistent when the give out punishment. It’s one of the things I can’t stand about AMA they’re soft on fan favorites or they blatantly don’t care when it’s LCQ’s
It's round one ffs. I mean they gotta get it right to set the precedent for the rest of the season but I doubt it will come down to that incident by round 11
Raced in the 80's and have loved this sport all my life. But thanks to Yamaha and the claiming of Deagans bike at Loretta was handled wrong. I think Yamaha really made a big mistake, making threatening options to rider and sponsor. Good luck, but I am done watching.
You can see as clear as day that he lets off the gas and gets back on the track. And he loses time. It was a larger gap between the two when he got back on the track. Doesn’t matter now. It was great race in between the two of them. All good.
I thought the Lawrence haters were bad. The Haiden haters are the worst of the worst. It's all because he came from money they can't stand him. Money won't buy what he has.
Why are we still talking about it? I watched it several times, he was on the gas for maybe a second, then, visibly slows down prior to re-entering the track. I have not found the footage of Vialle, so I can't compare. Anyone see his offtrack excursion?
No foul....play on. Top 10 are all just settling in....and a few are already on 🔥. Good to see Kitchen and Deegz yucking it up in the podium pit. And indeed...the shit talkers can't chew on that one for much longer. ❤
First off a ton of people went off there so…. Fix the track so they don’t… create a larger berm there, or put some banners there… also maybe change the rule to go back on where you left or instead of waiting until after make it a drive thru penalty…. Because like Levi said he probably wouldn’t have passed him regardless…. So a drive thru is right it may cost you one or three who knows… but also fix the track
If you look closely he didn't accelerate until he got back in line with the track markers, so technically he was within the track limits at that point.
I know ppl watched the race but if u replay for one his rear and slips out and he hammered the throttle just for a split sec but this is a sticky situation but almost everyone has drama or problem with Levi. I mean from what I saw, I definitely know ppl on here know more than me but I just giving opinion on what I reviewed. Who remembers the kid claiming his bike? Lmao
I absolutely love his f you I’m better than you, you never were going to pass me anyway attitude. That attitude Coming from a piss ant like myself, everyone should disregard but coming from the man Degan Jr him self everyone better sit back and enjoy the show because it’s going to get real!!!!
Putting the question on Levi, deegan is upping the mind games
The training with Webb
I think Levi's reply was a lot more mature than Haiden's rambling.
@@johnbabb1138 it’s all mind games. Webb does it and so does alot of others…no one cares about maturity only results
No, it's not a mind game, it's out on the table, he's just not a good person to be around.
@@TexRobNC what exactly makes him not good to be around is he a criminal and asshole what does he do
This 250 class this year is gonna be fire
Gonna get well juicy
Very juicy indeed, and spicy
Bunch of good riders.
Can’t wait!
Yeah buddy 🤙😂
Either Tom and Haiden are BOTH penalized or both are NOT penalized. Why is this so hard?
Exactly
Life isnt that fair😂🤣😂🤦♂️haiden never gained time he lost it going off track vialle gained time that's all there is to it
@@andrewwilson8932 lmao his rear was spinning & he literally had to gain enough speed to jump a small double uphill
Settle down Sparky
that wasnt the case when all those people went off track with deegan in sx so why would that be the case now? either take back a penalty from months ago or do the same as theyve been doing and dock the person who did something against the rules and not dock the person who followed the rules. are we gonna dock masterpool too because technically he accelerated off track after his crash? if not thats not fair and no one should be penalized
Trust me, none of them go off track on purpose. It’s one thing if they go off and cut a corner getting back on. But rolling past a jump and then hopping back onto the same straight is not an advantage in any way.
I don't trust you
AMA rules don’t stipulate if the off track excursion was “on purpose or not”.
t many grey areas. Haiden did not pass anyone or did not gain any time when going off track. He won fair and square He was pulling away from Levi Kitchen toward the last two laps. Levi was having a bad day. He wasn't as fast as he usually is.
@@chestermartin2356 We don't care. you donut.
it is when your off track on the gas and your gaining speed while everyone else
would be jumping
Haiden lost ground due to his off--track eccirsion. Vialle did not.
I think a lot of people assumed it was the part we all saw in moto 1 when haiden went off the track and obviously lost ground to Levi. The review was about a separate incident when haiden went off in moto 2. It happened when kitchen was probably the closest he ever got to haiden, haiden went off track coming out of a corner and went around a jump. He definitely didn't gain ground, but I think the reason they looked at it is because as soon as haiden got back to the very edge of the track he pinned it and threw a big roost, but technically he was inside the track markers at that point. I don't think there should be a penalty, but I do understand why they looked at it for so long because it was really close
He literally stoped last lap because he picked up a track marker and took it with him lmao I mean crossing the line is crossing the line.
You can't gain on opponents and you re enter once your able
I think he thought he was gonna be on his side
I feel we're about to see the best racing season ever with these to at the helm
Gana be spicy season for the 250 class this year
So glad, sick of watching for 450s only
None off them should been have had points taking off them he made no time Tom did he gonna win it away so people need to stop hating on the kid listen to no 7 JS IN LIVE SHOW SAID HAIDEN WAS YOUNG BEAST MODE
If tom gets docked a spot for 1 infraction why can deegan go off track 3 times with no infraction..fucking wild
I mean he filled what he was supposed to do he when your riding so fast and you go off it’s gonna happen you probably don’t even race and if you do you don’t go fast enough to know
WRONG ANSWER LEVI ....lol.
Arrogance, at its best… time will tell… Sad in the presence. He needs a voice coach. Wasn’t on the gas to clear a 75ft jump… Oh please with the 💩
I’m glad we have the 250 class
Seriously.
If you mean cos it looks like the 450s are gonna be a snore fest then I fully agree with ya man
Tom did not look back and stayed on the gas. Haiden slowed down and looked back. That is why Haiden did not get docked
I’m team Deegan all day but Levi is 100% correct here
Blah blah blah to the haters.he didint make anytime on him...let all the crying begin......all out war
Didn't lose time because he accelerated.
@@jakoumatWilly is just a D rider because it makes him feel better about being a loser IRL
@@jakoumattom did yes... deegan didn't gain any time
@@jakoumathe’s just D riding because rooting for a kid makes home feel better about being a loser
Both are penalized or both are not penalized. Anything different is favoritism. Very simple.
It’s up to the AMA director. Who, if you didn’t know, directs the AMA. Therefore, no one has say so but the director of the AMA. Which means it doesn’t matter what we think or what is right or wrong. We all know the rules are a huge grey area. No different than targeting in football. Some people get thrown out. Some people get away with it. Sounds like life to me.
Hell ya he deserves the win he won. He didnt get any advantage from that off track insedint...Levi wasnt goin to catch him anyway
Yeah but it’s the fact he did it three times and Tim went off the track once and got penalized
Yes he did accelerate. In both times you can't punish one and not the other
Tom did yes he missed a whole section and gained time and deegan didn't gain any time big difference
if we dock deegan here we go and dock multiple people for going off with deegan in sx and deegan being the only one docked. or we take away deegan penalty from months ago.
War!!! Competition! Love it. Haters are crying, yet this will bring fun races to watch!
G move from haiden making Levi answer for him. Props to Levi for being honest also. I see a season long battle between these two guys. Great start for team 38
“Total fucking g move. He looked like such a badass dancing around the question.” We got an experienced glazer over here
I could see it going either direction. But it seems like some weekends the inconsistencies work for you and the next it works against you. Seems kinda petty on PC's end tbh especially this early in the season. Let it roll and get him next weekend..
Haiden seems a little calmer and more humble in his interviews. Still riding just as hard on the track, feels like he's headed for a good career
I feel like the way he rides won't transfer well to a 450, but maybe that's just how he rides the 250. I feel like Jett was just finesse and body position when Deegan is WFO.
@@TheTanner218 He's got a ways to go to get that all sorted out. It's definitely going to take a ton of strength to keep his same style. maybe it's possible in supercross but I'm not sure it will work for longer outdoors motos. Maybe he'll pick up some tomac influence if they keep riding together.
@@TheTanner218they have him training on a 450 like 2 days out of the week so he can ride the 250 the way he does.. Once he gets to 450s he’ll make the adjustments and get to the top after a couple seasons.
@@TheTanner218 Plenty of guys hung it out on the 450. RC, JS7, heck RV did more rear steering on the 450 than using the handlebars.
He can be top 5 but he is definitely no Jett. His style requires a lot of strength but he is also too erratic and makes too many mistakes to consistently challenge the top guys. He will have arm pump issues for sure with his style of riding.
That blonde with the orange hat be lookin bruh
If Tom was penalized then Deegs should be. Personally neither should be, but the fact that they were instant to penalize Tom and then had to “think” about Deegan shows some favoritism
Actually, none of them should’ve been penalized.
Ryan & Ricky was on point with their analysis. The shot callers who penalized them are the problem. Because they weren’t clear & equal across the board when they penalized them.
They also said nothing would’ve changed (other than the points) if none of them were penalized.
Exactly correct James and Ricky did that shit all the time?
I think he shouldn’t be docked because he didn’t move up a place but the best thing to do is let the other rider go ahead just to be sure then just chase him down and pass him again which Haden is going to do anyway. Haden, it’s time for a cool pro motocross riders haircut that looks bad ass. Get the fluff out and look serious and people will take you serious. It’s going to be a long journey because your going to be one of the best riders ever in the 450 class as well
i dont care what anyone says this years 250 class has become much more interesting than the 450 class. much prefer watching the 250s over the 450s much in part to a guy named Deegan😮
When are they going to publish the special Deegan rule book?
At least 250 is exciting! 450 is like watching qualifiers lol shoutout Lawrence bros for making it look easy tho
Haiden turned beat red
"Fight to the Death" "This is War" This is MX Deegs, not a fucking Gladiator or WW2 movie.
Tom shouldn’t have been penalized! Let’s be fair !
Tom did not slow down. Haiden did
Deegan is pissed!
Long story short, it's going to be a war now until the end.
Never ask Levi BS
Tom did not let off, haiden did
Haiden’s confident, he knows he can beat Levi regularly, it’s going to be an interesting season that’s for sure!
Get em Deegan
Tough call.Tom got screwed.Same rules for all.
No. Haiden always lost ground and he looked back to get on the track “safely”. Tom didn’t and he kept his same gap over Deegan. Simple as that. Obviously the AMA saw it the same or else they definitely would’ve penalized him.
No they’re pretty inconsistent when the give out punishment. It’s one of the things I can’t stand about AMA they’re soft on fan favorites or they blatantly don’t care when it’s LCQ’s
@TheHuggybear516 or maybe you are just dumb.... deegan didn't gain time and tom didn't it's that simple
It's on!!!!
250 is going to bring it this season.
Dog fight to the end.
I still think Haiden can take the championship. The kid is the real deal.
Levi wasn’t going to get around him anyway so no harm no foul.
Kitchens my dude but Haiden clearly got robbed. He straight up beat LK47. This 250 class is going to be a war all summer long.
I wouldn’t give him anything!
NO... He did not gain any position or advantage, he got back on track the same distance behind as when he went off...
Levi literally took the track marker with him and then stopped. It’s his fault ….
Look at deenkus crossing his arms trying to make them look bigger
Tom you can beat deegan but you can't beat deegan and the AMA.
Moral of the story: Tom shouldn’t have been docked.
Bro has skills cmon
Giving Tom a penalty (when they shouldn't) has opened a can of worms that stink already.
I like this kid, he's a bad dude on a bike. He's great for the sport
He should've for the 2nd off track issue but he didn't get penalized so get over it
It's round one ffs. I mean they gotta get it right to set the precedent for the rest of the season but I doubt it will come down to that incident by round 11
Who's girlfriend in the back mean mugging him?
Raced in the 80's and have loved this sport all my life. But thanks to Yamaha and the claiming of Deagans bike at Loretta was handled wrong. I think Yamaha really made a big mistake, making threatening options to rider and sponsor. Good luck, but I am done watching.
Yea man fuck being nice!
No Penalty for Deegan!
Man Hallie’s got a big head, like literally.
Deegs makes it so easy to hate him. 😂
I like deagan but if Tom got docked then deagan should have gotten docked. He threw roost at a track hand
His bike just throws roost even when the throttle is off 😂 I don't understand lying when it was filmed and showed in replays!
Just like the pro built bike that his daddy F that other kid out of then made sure his career was over by going to Yamaha to cry F them
You can see as clear as day that he lets off the gas and gets back on the track. And he loses time. It was a larger gap between the two when he got back on the track. Doesn’t matter now. It was great race in between the two of them. All good.
@johnnyhotshoe You're the type of person who should never be an eyewitness in court lol.. your recollection of events is so skewed by bias 😂
I agree, he accelerated and the flaggers and staff went running away
@@Matt18880 yes everybody went running. I even saw fans starting to run.Lol !! yeah OK😂
HELL NO
Haters gonna hate keep being a gangster
I think the ama needs to get off the riders backs and let them race. Shits getting ridiculous.
Lmao haiden at the end . Long story short it’s gonna be war now!
He accelerated
Tom yes he did
That's an Arnold Schwarzenegger mind game move on Levi Haiden!! 🏁
I thought the Lawrence haters were bad. The Haiden haters are the worst of the worst. It's all because he came from money they can't stand him. Money won't buy what he has.
Is money the reason why Haiden is a douche tho?
The situation didn't call for penalty
Why are we still talking about it? I watched it several times, he was on the gas for maybe a second, then, visibly slows down prior to re-entering the track. I have not found the footage of Vialle, so I can't compare. Anyone see his offtrack excursion?
But his dad is Brian Deegan. Do you want Yamaha’s or not?
No foul....play on.
Top 10 are all just settling in....and a few are already on 🔥.
Good to see Kitchen and Deegz yucking it up in the podium pit.
And indeed...the shit talkers can't chew on that one for much longer. ❤
Tom missed a whole section and gained time... deegan didn't gain any time big difference
Deegan most definitely should be penalised for at least one of his 3 times off track.
First off a ton of people went off there so…. Fix the track so they don’t… create a larger berm there, or put some banners there… also maybe change the rule to go back on where you left or instead of waiting until after make it a drive thru penalty…. Because like Levi said he probably wouldn’t have passed him regardless…. So a drive thru is right it may cost you one or three who knows… but also fix the track
He should be docked it's simple he sped up clearly. Love him or hate him he sped up
Troll on
He didn't speed up lol
If you look closely he didn't accelerate until he got back in line with the track markers, so technically he was within the track limits at that point.
@@Mistro07I’m sayin lmao
Give the kid a hair cut ffs
I know ppl watched the race but if u replay for one his rear and slips out and he hammered the throttle just for a split sec but this is a sticky situation but almost everyone has drama or problem with Levi. I mean from what I saw, I definitely know ppl on here know more than me but I just giving opinion on what I reviewed. Who remembers the kid claiming his bike? Lmao
Yes
I absolutely love his f you I’m better than you, you never were going to pass me anyway attitude. That attitude Coming from a piss ant like myself, everyone should disregard but coming from the man Degan Jr him self everyone better sit back and enjoy the show because it’s going to get real!!!!
No read the rules people
NO!!
“it’s going to be a war now until the end” 🤓
No. Deegan went from a bike length away from Kitchen to 25 yards.
absolutely not!!
Title 24 covered it best
That’s up to officials
Make the call on Deegan
Go Deegs 😊
Wanna hit rewind and tell me 😂😂😂 2024 broski we got video
😂😂😂😂 Lil Beast mode 💯💯👊🇺🇸
Love this kid🤘
LMFAO lil deeg is a monster!!
Refer you to RV & RC interview on topic explaining it perfectly
Didn't he get a track marker stuck in his boot?
Jeepsy tiles
Ok but when u go off track 3 or 4 times u need to be docked
Oh give me a break
Bullshit HD didn't get penalized
yes
Haiden needs to stop sticking/rolling his tongue out like hes some kind of gross corn star.
AMA follow the money