I worked as a doctor in Alaska for 18 years, mostly among Native communities, and I can confirm that some people are surprisingly successful taking game with calibers you wouldn't expect. For the reasons you mentioned, .223.5/56 is widely used to harvest moose in Native communities, and I had one patient who routinely took moose with a .22 Hornet he inherited from his grandfather. Of course, another thing he got from his grandfather was exceptional skill in stalking and shot placement, skills which I believe still exist in Alaska Native communities to a greater degree than anywhere else in the US. It was a bit of a culture shock when I moved back to the state of my youth and discovered .45-70 ammunition was simply not to be found. In Alaska, it's literally available in convenience stores. 😆
Anything a 6.5, 270, 308, 30-06 class cartridge can do the 7rm can do. I would say that for closer range, the 300 wm has a little advantage, but once you reach out 300 yards or more, the advantage dwindles quickly.
I can respect a persons choice in firearms if different than mine. My only centerfire rifle is an 30-06 get tired of “experts” relegating it to deer rifle status. Thank you Chuke for Alaskan view on its merits.
Phil Shoemaker has guided Brown bear hunts in Alaska for 45 years. He states a 30-06 will shoot thru any Brown bear that has ever lived. He says to shoot what you are used to and can hit your target. He also killed a charging 9 1/2' brown bear with a 9mm pistol using Buffalo Bore hard cast 147 grain bullets to save 2 clients.
Excellent, knew a few AK natives as a kid and was always wanted to hear about their hunting stories and the rifle. 30.06, 303 and 30/30 seemed like the only rifles I remember mentioned....(It was pretty long ago) My Dad got 1 new rifle ....only one...(family of 5, money was tight). chose .270 Rem 700, he told me it was flat shooting and would take any North American game. He was from rural WI, grew up hunting to put food on table
I have a 35 Whelen only because one of my ARMY buddies used to live in Alaska and has taken every animal from black tail deer to the BIG Brown bear on Kodiak with the 35 Whelen. So far I've taken an elk, several big body deer in northern Mississippi were I'm from and a moose with my 35 Whelen two years ago. 35 Whelen is very much so underestimated until you hunt with one. 👍X2
I’m from MS too. I had a custom 35 built on a 700 action and bartlein sendero contour barrel. I saw how it performed on whitetail during our primitive weapons season. It has killed whitetail, Axis, mouflon ram,red stag,and gemsbok. Using the 180 Barnes x bullet. Dang near 3k FPS. It has downed dozens of animals . I love the TWACK sound it makes when the bullet hits !! My go to rifle!!
@@danielravenstar4051 our barrel's are 24" with a 1/12 twist and we are getting a little over 2800 fps with IMR powder with the Barnes 200gr TTSX BT. It knocks me down.
@@brazzy14672800fps with a 200 grain projectile is rather impressive. I didn’t realize the 35 Whelen put up those kinds of numbers. For dangerous game, I use a 375 H&H magnum and have been very impressed with the results. When hunting medium size game such as whitetail, I’m a firm believer in the tried and true 30-06. If I understand correctly, the 35 Whelen is a 30-06 cartridge pushing a .35 caliber projectile.
LeChuke, I still use my old Ruger 77 in 243 with success where you have 270 and 223. Highly accurate rifle and smoking 90 grainer at 3250, leaves no doubt!
Moved to Alaska in the late 70s, the old man had a 270, 22lr, 12ga ithaca. We hunted black tail, rabbits, grouse. Later, got a ruger 44, 3006,and a couple other 22s.
Would love to go up to Alaska and do some hunting. My go to rifles are the .270Win, .308Win and I also have a .45/70. I am a disabled Veteran and really can't do walk and stalk anymore because of my back, legs and feet. Thank you Chuke for your videos. Maybe just maybe one day I will be able to come up and hunt and fish there.
I have taken moose, caribou, and bear with my 7mm Rem Mag here in Alaska. I like Chuke a lot, but sometime he is way too personally subjective on the calibers he advocates as “Alaskan” capable, lol. Keep doing good work Chuke, stay safe buddy😎👍
I like all of those calibers and i think your selection is on point although I have never hunted Alaska I've read a lot about it. I think the magic of the 30.06 for me is when I started handloading 240 grain Woodleigh bullets made for the 30.06. They shoot into less than 1moa at 100 yards and will actually open up out to around 300 yards. I do know it will drop whitetail, black bear and big hogs on the spot.
When I see videos of native Alaskans hunting most of the time they are using an SKS or some variant of WWII surplus rifles. In African hunting videos the African guides are almost always carrying an AK or SKS and will use them if elephants charge. The poachers use them as well to kill pretty much everything loading whatever ammo they can get their hands on.
I'm planning on caribou up there next year. I was asking Alaskan Ballistics what to bring. I've never hunted Alaska and the only animal concern I have is running into bears. By next year I should have a lot of data for my 270-7PRCs and I was hoping to use one of those. I have a lot of choices though. Thanks for this video. Very helpful
Great video Chuke, I'm digging that multicam Brownells ball cap! That looks like it was hand signed be Pete Brownells. Hope to see you at our "Content Providers Conference" at end of this June. I'll be working the gunshop. 1400 people so far have signed up to attend.
Thoughts on Galil ACE in 308 for a 1 and done do it all. AK reliability, 308 punch, reasonably easy to acquire SR25 mags. It will run everything from 110TAP to 180 Core Lokt. Not expecting bolt gun accuracy but for no doubt gonna go bang in -20° or 120° and drop whatever inside 400yd/350meters Its what I want
Great video Chuke. Interesting comment about people in the South of Alaska hunting small deer with 300 WM. In New Zealand we have several common species of deer , some quite small. People will tend to hunt with just one rifle for the most part, often quite a powerful one, as some of this shots are quite long. Not much meat on the shoulder of a Fallow deer anyway! 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
In 308 I've got a 130 TTSX over TAC around 3200fps. But I don't know what would be max distance for that bullet to open reliably. If I recall correctly, the guys on the Vortex channel had someone state that they took a pronghorn around 300-350 yards from a 6.5CM with a TTSX so I'd think my 308 load would work ok to 450 yards.
I guess I'm biased towards the 30-06. Maybe its because I started buying Remington Core-Lokt rifle bullet 30-06, 180-grain at $12 for 20-rounds from Walmart. I now have +2,000-rounds.
I remember you using a SCAR 17 on some hunts…. how did that work out? I may have missed some stuff when I was living overseas…..which, I am again ironically.
Yes, it is true that a 308 will do (almost!) everything a 30-06 will. Given equal boolit weights, just take 50 - 100 yards away. Yes, a 308 will handle 200 grain boolits, but a 30-06 will do it better, and 220's are 30-06 and up domain. I use both. I usually wind up taking my 308 carbine with 165 Nosler Partitions, but my 30-06 with 180's for black bear. We dont have big brown bad tempered nasty's here. But. Some of our blacks get over 500 lbs, too. Use enuf gun... AND boolit, too!
22 LR and 223 are more popular than anyone might suspect because the ammo is cheap. Everything is more expensive in Alaska so most people don't have a bunch of different rifles and calibers for each specific game animal.
killed my first moose with my 270w and the ascent terminal passed through, but the moose in Quebec are smaller than those in Alaska Good job for video 🤙
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You definitely can do a lot with a 30-06 especially if you handload. You can get .300 win mag like performance out of it. I have an 06 I've been doing load development and playing with it. With 190gr Accubond LR you load it Spicy according to the manual you can get the old 06 to come pretty close to factory 180gr cup and core win mag as far as trajectory, and kinetic energy. The old 06 is no slouch if you utilize modern powders and high bc bullets designed for hunting. Not that rebranded match crap. If you have your dads Remington 700 or Winchester model 70 in 06 you already have something. A little effort and load development you can get a lot out of it. My 2nd choice would be something odd a 9.3x62mm Mauser. In a few African countries the old 9.3x62 is a minimum for dangerous game. I think it would be ideal for bear. If hunters in Africa use it successfully on cape Buffalo in Africa it should fare well against a bear. It's identical to .35 Whelan it takes a 30-06 length action. It does use 30-06 cases.
I read several articles several years ago about different calibers used for hunting in Alaska and I never really hear you mention many of them ? Because so many Alaskan natives hunt more then many, and because they in many cases don't have much money they use a lot of military calibers like 8mm, 6.5 55mm, 7mm, 762.54, 762.39, 303 British, the most popular these days is the 223/5.56 because there cheap, etc. Also , watched older hunting involving calibers like .222, 22 hornet, .32 win, 30-30 win , Savage calibers 250, 3000, 300 Sav, 303 Sav ,and many other older but well known calibers . You many just mention newer calibers as if only they will work ? Those old guns and calibers got the job done very well with older bullets and still get the job done ! They hunt EVERYTHING with these 1 Saw an old Alaskan Eskimo hunt polar bear with dogs and a .222 Rem. Don't be such a modern snob !
You are absolutely right! I’ve talked about this in several videos that’s why I think the AK and the AR-15 are actually great rifles to use for hunting in Alaska. The ammo typically used in villages is ball ammo too, just amazing!
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventuresYou did mention that ! Just think about only having one, maybe two guns, with the old ammo and they got the job done ? In Alaska and lower 48 ?
Reloading supplies are so short where I live in New Zealand that sometimes I just go to my gun safe and get whatever rifle I still have that has a box of ammo with it. I have 18 rounds left for my 3006 AI. Lucky I have plenty of 8mm and a few other cartridges
So I'm only addressing the the caribou up to brown bear caliber. Not that I disagree, but there's a lot of forgotten cartridges. So my experience is Wyoming griz country. My two choices for mule deer up because of the griz is 35 Whelen, second choices 444 marlin. Both have served me well. I have, or still own most of the caliber you've mentioned. The only advantage 338 win has over the Whelen is beyond 300 yards. From the muzzle my Whelen 225gr Barnes X average is 2805 fps. Remember in the lower 48 you must have hard clad evidence of a attack to shoot a griz. The performance on elk and moose with this combination has resulted in only recovered bullet. Mountain man
What barrel length are you running in your whelen? My 22” barreled rifles I run the tsx at 2600. I have a 24” barrel I need to mess around with , mostly with varget powder. But cfe223 do give higher velocities
@45-70Guy I've owned four whelens the one I run the original Barnes X in in is a 22" M700 Classic using AA 2015 br. The Ruger 77 is an Ackley improved using 250 gr cup n core. My first custom single shot uses a 200 gr hornaday interlock. I now also ha e a single shot I purchased with a 26" barrel. I noticed these days the BR, or bench rest part of 2015 is no longer on the label so not sure it's the same. As far as the 444 marlin it simply for me a case I have multiple use for a super 14" contender barrels in 358, and 375 JDJ. Plus in a pinch 410 . Hope that answers your question Mountain man
Trophy Bonded, Partitions or Barnes TSX or TTSX for big stuff with a .270 Win. Placement trumps everything though. Easy to hit well with a light recoiling .270.
If you was as poor as me you would only have a 30-06 and you would probably keep it loaded with Buffalo Bore 168 grain lead-free supercharged ammo. I don't believe there is any NA animal/game that can survive a well placed shot with this combo. But you would also have a bunch of Remington Cor-Lokt ammo to😁
It’s funny 6.5 creedmore has found a life in hunting? At least on paper the creedmore makes way more sense for 2 legged threats than as a hunting cartridge??? It’s surprising it hasn’t found broad military acceptance??? I hear it gets used. However why haul a 175 grain 7.62 when you could carry 140 grain with greater range sectional density and down range performance.
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If you have a 30-60 , 45-70 and a 22 your covered for anything with four legs.
Jim Carmichael, wrote "Complete Book of the Rifle" and was shooting editor for Outdoor Life for over 20 years. He bet his million $ farm that he could take any N American game animal with a 22 Hornet and bet another 100k (in today's money) that he could do so in 2 shots or less, all under conditions of fair chase. A Hornet has only half the power and range of a 223 and its repeat hits take 5x as long as with an AR.
the Nosler Partition bullet is expensive, because it has 2 lead cores. The front one expands, the rear one is sealed inside of the jacket by a thin copper 'partition" So it always penetrates very deepling. In the snow, or with a dog that will follow a blood trail, a hit to one lung does not let any animal run very far. The lung or chest cavity fiills up with blood and the hole in the chest wall means that the lungs collapse. The only "reason" for big calibers is inability to get close to animals and needing an exit wound and blood trail that a blind man can follow. Hits to liver, spleen or heart are fatal in 10-20 seconds, due to massive blood loss. You dont have to blow a 2" wide hole all the way thru the animal, guys. That's bs
everyone swears that they can reliably hit the 12" circle of a head-on prone man, at 300m. Well then, geometry proves that you can also hit the 6" brain circle at 150m. In fact, it's much easir, due to less effects of wind, mirage, up or down hill angle, animal-movement, misjudgement of range. Most of the year, big game is not legal to hunt. So your 300 mag and 4570 just sit in the closet. The 223 AR and 22 unit let you take small game, plink, take varmints, shoot in rifle matches., teach novices, defend yourself AND take big game, So it's 6x more useful than any lever or bolt action, in any caliber. Once you've hunted with night sights, night vision and silencer, it changes your outlook a LOT. Animals dont fear humans NEARLY as much at night as they do in daytime. So you can get MUCH closer. Of course, you need to DROP them, tho, cause tracking at night is so likely to have the meat soured or slobbered/pissed on by canines. by the time you find it.
@@texpatriot8462 I was just about to say the same thing. Especially up where he is talking about. Ammunition availability is king when in a limited supply area.
I worked as a doctor in Alaska for 18 years, mostly among Native communities, and I can confirm that some people are surprisingly successful taking game with calibers you wouldn't expect. For the reasons you mentioned, .223.5/56 is widely used to harvest moose in Native communities, and I had one patient who routinely took moose with a .22 Hornet he inherited from his grandfather. Of course, another thing he got from his grandfather was exceptional skill in stalking and shot placement, skills which I believe still exist in Alaska Native communities to a greater degree than anywhere else in the US. It was a bit of a culture shock when I moved back to the state of my youth and discovered .45-70 ammunition was simply not to be found. In Alaska, it's literally available in convenience stores. 😆
I have read some incredible stories (with witnesses) of amazing marksmanship from native Americans living up that way
The natives were better shots than the English back in settler days because they relied on shooting for survival
Great story, Thank you for sharing.
Dr Fleischman ! Is it you? 😂😂😂
Great list, I was suprised to not see the 7 rem mag on any of these
Anything a 6.5, 270, 308, 30-06 class cartridge can do the 7rm can do. I would say that for closer range, the 300 wm has a little advantage, but once you reach out 300 yards or more, the advantage dwindles quickly.
I can respect a persons choice in firearms if different than mine. My only centerfire rifle is an 30-06 get tired of “experts” relegating it to deer rifle status. Thank you Chuke for Alaskan view on its merits.
Lived in Alaska Kenai peninsula 50 years. My choice of weapons is 270 / 375 HH , 44MAG 629 4INCH . NEVER FAILED ME ! Luck has got to be with you!
Phil Shoemaker has guided Brown bear hunts in Alaska for 45 years. He states a 30-06 will shoot thru any Brown bear that has ever lived. He says to shoot what you are used to and can hit your target. He also killed a charging 9 1/2' brown bear with a 9mm pistol using Buffalo Bore hard cast 147 grain bullets to save 2 clients.
Excellent, knew a few AK natives as a kid and was always wanted to hear about their hunting stories and the rifle. 30.06, 303 and 30/30 seemed like the only rifles I remember mentioned....(It was pretty long ago)
My Dad got 1 new rifle ....only one...(family of 5, money was tight). chose .270 Rem 700, he told me it was flat shooting and would take any North American game. He was from rural WI, grew up hunting to put food on table
Hard to beat 30-06 with all the commercial ammo available and if you handload you can get low end 300 mag numbers...
Yeah - I have a 3006 Ackley Improved. Does 3060 fps with a 165 grain
You’re 100 percent correct you get magnum power without it actually being a magnum and with lower recoil . Many experts dont seem to mention that.
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I have a 35 Whelen only because one of my ARMY buddies used to live in Alaska and has taken every animal from black tail deer to the BIG Brown bear on Kodiak with the 35 Whelen. So far I've taken an elk, several big body deer in northern Mississippi were I'm from and a moose with my 35 Whelen two years ago. 35 Whelen is very much so underestimated until you hunt with one. 👍X2
I’m from MS too. I had a custom 35 built on a 700 action and bartlein sendero contour barrel. I saw how it performed on whitetail during our primitive weapons season.
It has killed whitetail,
Axis, mouflon ram,red stag,and gemsbok. Using the 180 Barnes x bullet. Dang near 3k FPS.
It has downed dozens of animals . I love the TWACK sound it makes when the bullet hits !! My go to rifle!!
What were the bullet selection s? For the alaskan areas.
@@danielravenstar4051 our barrel's are 24" with a 1/12 twist and we are getting a little over 2800 fps with IMR powder with the Barnes 200gr TTSX BT. It knocks me down.
@@brazzy14672800fps with a 200 grain projectile is rather impressive. I didn’t realize the 35 Whelen put up those kinds of numbers. For dangerous game, I use a 375 H&H magnum and have been very impressed with the results. When hunting medium size game such as whitetail, I’m a firm believer in the tried and true 30-06. If I understand correctly, the 35 Whelen is a 30-06 cartridge pushing a .35 caliber projectile.
It's a good carteige but only if you're a handloader. You won't find it on the shelves in small town ak
LeChuke,
I still use my old Ruger 77 in 243 with success where you have 270 and 223. Highly accurate rifle and smoking 90 grainer at 3250, leaves no doubt!
Chuke chose the caliber in my first bolt action. I hit him up through Patreon and asked his opinion. He replied "308" Lol
Love my Tikka
Moved to Alaska in the late 70s, the old man had a 270, 22lr, 12ga ithaca. We hunted black tail, rabbits, grouse. Later, got a ruger 44, 3006,and a couple other 22s.
Would love to go up to Alaska and do some hunting. My go to rifles are the .270Win, .308Win and I also have a .45/70. I am a disabled Veteran and really can't do walk and stalk anymore because of my back, legs and feet. Thank you Chuke for your videos. Maybe just maybe one day I will be able to come up and hunt and fish there.
I have taken moose, caribou, and bear with my 7mm Rem Mag here in Alaska. I like Chuke a lot, but sometime he is way too personally subjective on the calibers he advocates as “Alaskan” capable, lol. Keep doing good work Chuke, stay safe buddy😎👍
Great video Chuke and a great list too man, thanks and greetings from NZ,, Tony.
Chuke, I've always wondered about 44mag rifles, 454 casull rifles, and 444 marlin vs the more popular 45-70. Thoughts?
Chuke what do you think of using a AR 15 with a 450 Bushmaster upper?
12gauge with black magic slugs....all the way...the only weapon i use for big game❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I have 3 rifles in 308 and choose one of them over my win mags for deer and elk. My old WInchester Model 100 has been a slayer of both deer and elk.
That 338 Ruger is very nice, the wood beautiful.
Great list. Love the 338WM and 375H&H acknowledgements. Check out the 22 Hornet for another old but awesome cartridge
I like all of those calibers and i think your selection is on point although I have never hunted Alaska I've read a lot about it. I think the magic of the 30.06 for me is when I started handloading 240 grain Woodleigh bullets made for the 30.06. They shoot into less than 1moa at 100 yards and will actually open up out to around 300 yards. I do know it will drop whitetail, black bear and big hogs on the spot.
When I see videos of native Alaskans hunting most of the time they are using an SKS or some variant of WWII surplus rifles. In African hunting videos the African guides are almost always carrying an AK or SKS and will use them if elephants charge. The poachers use them as well to kill pretty much everything loading whatever ammo they can get their hands on.
How does a Marlin 336 lever action in 35 Remington cal. compare to other rifles?
I'm planning on caribou up there next year. I was asking Alaskan Ballistics what to bring. I've never hunted Alaska and the only animal concern I have is running into bears. By next year I should have a lot of data for my 270-7PRCs and I was hoping to use one of those. I have a lot of choices though. Thanks for this video. Very helpful
3006 work for all middle size and large game
What would you recommend for hunting seals and walrus and Polar bear and bowhead and beluga?
35 Whelen
Chuke. Always a good and interesting video. Is there any use for a 350 Legend? Thanks for sharing and take care.
Great video Chuke, I'm digging that multicam Brownells ball cap! That looks like it was hand signed be Pete Brownells. Hope to see you at our "Content Providers Conference" at end of this June. I'll be working the gunshop. 1400 people so far have signed up to attend.
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Best caliber for big foot?
What do think of the AR500 by Big Horn Armory for use in dispatching a marauding Hairy Man?
Great video man keep them coming!
Thoughts on Galil ACE in 308 for a 1 and done do it all. AK reliability, 308 punch, reasonably easy to acquire SR25 mags. It will run everything from 110TAP to 180 Core Lokt. Not expecting bolt gun accuracy but for no doubt gonna go bang in -20° or 120° and drop whatever inside 400yd/350meters Its what I want
Great video Chuke. Interesting comment about people in the South of Alaska hunting small deer with 300 WM. In New Zealand we have several common species of deer , some quite small. People will tend to hunt with just one rifle for the most part, often quite a powerful one, as some of this shots are quite long. Not much meat on the shoulder of a Fallow deer anyway! 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
In 308 I've got a 130 TTSX over TAC around 3200fps. But I don't know what would be max distance for that bullet to open reliably. If I recall correctly, the guys on the Vortex channel had someone state that they took a pronghorn around 300-350 yards from a 6.5CM with a TTSX so I'd think my 308 load would work ok to 450 yards.
Appreciate ya brother. Keep on keeping on.
... I see you have Negan's bat "Lucille" hanging on the wall
one could literally have only a 30-06 and do any type of hunting up there w all the bullet choices. am i wrong?
I guess I'm biased towards the 30-06. Maybe its because I started buying Remington Core-Lokt rifle bullet 30-06, 180-grain at $12 for 20-rounds from Walmart. I now have +2,000-rounds.
I remember you using a SCAR 17 on some hunts…. how did that work out? I may have missed some stuff when I was living overseas…..which, I am again ironically.
No 7mm ?
As an rural alaskan, youll see 223 rem so common in moose hunting
Yes, it is true that a 308 will do (almost!) everything a 30-06 will. Given equal boolit weights, just take 50 - 100 yards away. Yes, a 308 will handle 200 grain boolits, but a 30-06 will do it better, and 220's are 30-06 and up domain. I use both. I usually wind up taking my 308 carbine with 165 Nosler Partitions, but my 30-06 with 180's for black bear. We dont have big brown bad tempered nasty's here. But. Some of our blacks get over 500 lbs, too. Use enuf gun... AND boolit, too!
My 375 H&H Winnie should cover it all.
300 win mag is my rifle as a Canadian, it can do everything and its very "point and shoot" because its so flat
Good show!!! Good information. Thanks!!!
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300BLACKOUT? 8.6 Blackout? 458 Soccom? Any of these rounds used.
That is a cool Tshirt Chukes.
22 LR and 223 are more popular than anyone might suspect because the ammo is cheap. Everything is more expensive in Alaska so most people don't have a bunch of different rifles and calibers for each specific game animal.
killed my first moose with my 270w and the ascent terminal passed through, but the moose in Quebec are smaller than those in Alaska
Good job for video 🤙
😢 What do you have against all the seven millimeters
I have no problem with your list just wondering why you never mention one of my favorite the 7mm
Chuke-Top calibers for hunting Alaska today folks.
Also Chuke- 10mm, 10mm, 10mm, 10mm. 😂😂😂 just kidding brother! Good video as always.
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For brown bear, as far as the 338 win mag, I'd probably up that to a 338 lapua.
Great video Chuke ,your choices are spot on .
Hey Chuke, you need to ditch the 270 and get a 6.8 Western! Chuck loves the 6.8 Western.
So the 30-30 that has taken more game in North America than any other by a mile doesn’t make your list???
And 300 rum too
Absolutely. Such a great round!
You definitely can do a lot with a 30-06 especially if you handload. You can get .300 win mag like performance out of it. I have an 06 I've been doing load development and playing with it. With 190gr Accubond LR you load it Spicy according to the manual you can get the old 06 to come pretty close to factory 180gr cup and core win mag as far as trajectory, and kinetic energy. The old 06 is no slouch if you utilize modern powders and high bc bullets designed for hunting. Not that rebranded match crap. If you have your dads Remington 700 or Winchester model 70 in 06 you already have something. A little effort and load development you can get a lot out of it. My 2nd choice would be something odd a 9.3x62mm Mauser. In a few African countries the old 9.3x62 is a minimum for dangerous game. I think it would be ideal for bear. If hunters in Africa use it successfully on cape Buffalo in Africa it should fare well against a bear. It's identical to .35 Whelan it takes a 30-06 length action. It does use 30-06 cases.
I think you forgot the 7mm rem mag/ 7mm prc bud
I read several articles several years ago about different calibers used for hunting in Alaska and I never really hear you mention many of them ? Because so many Alaskan natives hunt more then many, and because they in many cases don't have much money they use a lot of military calibers like 8mm, 6.5 55mm, 7mm, 762.54, 762.39, 303 British, the most popular these days is the 223/5.56 because there cheap, etc. Also , watched older hunting involving calibers like .222, 22 hornet, .32 win, 30-30 win , Savage calibers 250, 3000, 300 Sav, 303 Sav ,and many other older but well known calibers . You many just mention newer calibers as if only they will work ? Those old guns and calibers got the job done very well with older bullets and still get the job done ! They hunt EVERYTHING with these 1 Saw an old Alaskan Eskimo hunt polar bear with dogs and a .222 Rem. Don't be such a modern snob !
You are absolutely right! I’ve talked about this in several videos that’s why I think the AK and the AR-15 are actually great rifles to use for hunting in Alaska. The ammo typically used in villages is ball ammo too, just amazing!
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventuresYou did mention that ! Just think about only having one, maybe two guns, with the old ammo and they got the job done ? In Alaska and lower 48 ?
30 06 180 grain partition, I'm not wealthy as I'd like to be 🤷
Reloading supplies are so short where I live in New Zealand that sometimes I just go to my gun safe and get whatever rifle I still have that has a box of ammo with it. I have 18 rounds left for my 3006 AI. Lucky I have plenty of 8mm and a few other cartridges
I’m surprised you didn’t say you’d shoot a brown bear with a 6.5 CM
Doh!
So I'm only addressing the the caribou up to brown bear caliber. Not that I disagree, but there's a lot of forgotten cartridges. So my experience is Wyoming griz country. My two choices for mule deer up because of the griz is 35 Whelen, second choices 444 marlin. Both have served me well. I have, or still own most of the caliber you've mentioned. The only advantage 338 win has over the Whelen is beyond 300 yards. From the muzzle my Whelen 225gr Barnes X average is 2805 fps. Remember in the lower 48 you must have hard clad evidence of a attack to shoot a griz. The performance on elk and moose with this combination has resulted in only recovered bullet.
Mountain man
What barrel length are you running in your whelen? My 22” barreled rifles I run the tsx at 2600.
I have a 24” barrel I need to mess around with , mostly with varget powder. But cfe223 do give higher velocities
@45-70Guy I've owned four whelens the one I run the original Barnes X in in is a 22" M700 Classic using AA 2015 br. The Ruger 77 is an Ackley improved using 250 gr cup n core. My first custom single shot uses a 200 gr hornaday interlock. I now also ha e a single shot I purchased with a 26" barrel. I noticed these days the BR, or bench rest part of 2015 is no longer on the label so not sure it's the same. As far as the 444 marlin it simply for me a case I have multiple use for a super 14" contender barrels in 358, and 375 JDJ. Plus in a pinch 410 . Hope that answers your question
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I've seen people wound Elk with the wrong bullets in 270. I would be very careful with that caliber!
Trophy Bonded, Partitions or Barnes TSX or TTSX for big stuff with a .270 Win. Placement trumps everything though. Easy to hit well with a light recoiling .270.
@@raleighthomas3079 Agreed!!!!!!!!!
If you was as poor as me you would only have a 30-06 and you would probably keep it loaded with Buffalo Bore 168 grain lead-free supercharged ammo. I don't believe there is any NA animal/game that can survive a well placed shot with this combo. But you would also have a bunch of Remington Cor-Lokt ammo to😁
It’s funny 6.5 creedmore has found a life in hunting? At least on paper the creedmore makes way more sense for 2 legged threats than as a hunting cartridge??? It’s surprising it hasn’t found broad military acceptance??? I hear it gets used. However why haul a 175 grain 7.62 when you could carry 140 grain with greater range sectional density and down range performance.
If you have a 30-60 , 45-70 and a 22 your covered for anything with four legs.
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Jim Carmichael, wrote "Complete Book of the Rifle" and was shooting editor for Outdoor Life for over 20 years. He bet his million $ farm that he could take any N American game animal with a 22 Hornet and bet another 100k (in today's money) that he could do so in 2 shots or less, all under conditions of fair chase. A Hornet has only half the power and range of a 223 and its repeat hits take 5x as long as with an AR.
the Nosler Partition bullet is expensive, because it has 2 lead cores. The front one expands, the rear one is sealed inside of the jacket by a thin copper 'partition" So it always penetrates very deepling. In the snow, or with a dog that will follow a blood trail, a hit to one lung does not let any animal run very far. The lung or chest cavity fiills up with blood and the hole in the chest wall means that the lungs collapse. The only "reason" for big calibers is inability to get close to animals and needing an exit wound and blood trail that a blind man can follow. Hits to liver, spleen or heart are fatal in 10-20 seconds, due to massive blood loss. You dont have to blow a 2" wide hole all the way thru the animal, guys. That's bs
338 win mag cover's all.load it weak for the little game.
everyone swears that they can reliably hit the 12" circle of a head-on prone man, at 300m. Well then, geometry proves that you can also hit the 6" brain circle at 150m. In fact, it's much easir, due to less effects of wind, mirage, up or down hill angle, animal-movement, misjudgement of range. Most of the year, big game is not legal to hunt. So your 300 mag and 4570 just sit in the closet. The 223 AR and 22 unit let you take small game, plink, take varmints, shoot in rifle matches., teach novices, defend yourself AND take big game, So it's 6x more useful than any lever or bolt action, in any caliber. Once you've hunted with night sights, night vision and silencer, it changes your outlook a LOT. Animals dont fear humans NEARLY as much at night as they do in daytime. So you can get MUCH closer. Of course, you need to DROP them, tho, cause tracking at night is so likely to have the meat soured or slobbered/pissed on by canines. by the time you find it.
U left out 300RUM!
Why is .243 not being mentioned
6.5 is dumb the 260 out preforms and has been around it just didn’t have every gun magazine and blog talking about it.
Every store that sells ammo is going to have 6.5CM ammo. Most will have multiple loadings available. The 260 might as well be the 222.
@@texpatriot8462 I was just about to say the same thing. Especially up where he is talking about. Ammunition availability is king when in a limited supply area.
I have a 6.5 prc and would never choose the 260 over it for any reason.
Seven millimeter 08 can do anything that a 65 creed more can only better
6.5 prc