Mackie sees things in scripture that I have never seen nor ever been taught (and, I'm pretty much reading & studying scripture daily for 40 years now). I come away from his lectures just shaking my head in awe. The man is so gifted, and he is using his gift -- as he should be doing.
You really give me inspiration Tim, even though I am Australian. You raise important and versatile arguments that make your sermons very inclusive. Thank you.
Thank you I don’t want any anger against the Bible. I was bullied and I get grizzle Emotion’s hating a person against the rest. I’m a very chatty Kathy woman I know this is my issue and my lack of understanding. I know it’s my own past not allowing full heart submission. I need help to understand what God wants and how to rid of my will or lack of emotional stupidity. Hope I understand his word now I found these vids. Thank you so much God bless Amen
Using the Madonna And Child paintings was a wonderful way to illustrate both the diversity and unity of Christians. Along those same lines, Miqedem's Psalm 150 (and friends across the globe) is very powerful, and a great song, too!
Resetting the default... Paul created a viral network of Christ Jesus followers worshipping in home (church). Calling all nations to faithful obedience.
26:45 Like your teaching on Christians having a choice between God's Word and the word of some current cultures. For example, you mention Christians needing to 'Join Jesus's body on His (biblical) terms' by illustration of Jesus's teaching and definition of marriage and sex between a man and a woman (Mathew 19,4)
I was wondering that too.. I wonder if it's because the 12 preached of more of the gospel of the kingdom of God therefore they were the foundation and Paul more of the gospel of the body of Christ doctrine and the mystery. Don't quote me on that, I need to look into it more, something to think about though..
DareDevil, etc., which paintings? and which decks? Tarot cards depict a lot of Biblical imagery -- the Tower is the Tower of Babel, the opening in the background of one of the Queen cards is the "narrow gate," three of clubs? the girls dancing are the foolish virgins of the wedding party, the four creatures in the corner of the World, etc., I haven't looked at a deck since I was saved, so I'm going on memory, but I will often recall a card when I read a Biblical passage, and think, "hey, that's totally the ___ card." BUT don't think that tarot is ok, it's not, it's still divination. It's like the snake in the Garden who twisted God's word to suit his own purposes and lead mankind astray. There is truth in the readings, but then again, how hard is it to predict a breakup when a woman comes for a reading to see if her bf really loves her? They can be used as a starting point for conversation, but still, you're playing with fire, because the other person may buy a deck and start using them for divination. And once you start, it becomes an obsession. Live in the now.
I have watched a great many of your videos. Constantly and thoroughly you speak about understanding the bible through a lens of a different, ancient culture. You explain in creation stories how it isn't meant to be a discourse about the creation of the physical world. You mention how science has shown our planet exists in the universe in a way that is wholly incomprehensible to the ancient Hebrew understanding. You show us how language we all grew up with is sometimes, often, mistranslated. You continually advise reading the whole of the bible to glimpse that is "narrative" by which you mean mythology but don't use that word because in modern society "myth" has come to mean "false" when in actuality "myth" is a story, a narrative, that has meaning to the myth listeners lives. Yet on this topic, homosexuality, you cannot accept modern, scientific understandings that for a minority of the population it is an unalterable fact of their being? You are completely comfortable claiming that so many aspects of the bible to be viewed in correlation with the cultures and times they were written but you seem completely incapable or unwilling to do so on this subject? What you are in affect saying is that homosexual people, unless you are claiming homosexuality is a choice and alterable -- and I really hope you are not saying that because despite my anger and upset over this topic I never thought you unintelligent and this view, that homosexuality is a choice and alterable, is clearly unintelligent -- that homosexual people are meant and destined to live a life of loneliness, solitude, not permitted to form bonds of love, dignity, and care. To have no one to abide with them in illness or strife, to have no person with which share celebrations of joy and success. You are saying that homosexual people, who are also people of God, are to spend their entire lives without physical embrace and to be chaste, lost, and treated as less than full human beings. Why is that? Paul speaks of sexual immorality that is lustful, exploitative (prostitution), in connection with pagan practices, and perverse (pederasty). He, from what we can tell, even invented a word to describe men who purchase sex from male prostitutes -- because the words of the culture he was writing to only had a words to describe the men who sold their bodies. For those men it was completely acceptable, in the prevailing culture, to be dismissive of and describe as less than. Paul said not only men who sell their bodies but also men who purchase the use of those bodies, both, will not achieve the kingdom of God. By your own insistence of reading the bible in awareness of the culture and time we can understand why Paul had to invent a word and that his invention of said word would have been shocking to a population who had been taught their whole lives that male prostitutes who gave their bodies were, of course, subject to disdain but that the same was not true for those who purchased the use of their bodies. Jesus never spoke of homosexuality. If he was aware of it, and we must assume he was -- just as we must assume that he was aware that Earth was a planetary body and dome of he sky was the atmosphere and refraction of light and not holding back waters of the heavens, subjects to which he also never spoke -- he would have also known that the idea of homosexuality, the very concept, was totally outside the realm of understanding of his 1st Century Jewish people. He would have known that for centuries before and after him male, same-sex sexual behavior was attributed excess lust (just as Paul believed). As if a man became so filled with lust that he couldn't help himself and women became not enough so he had to have sex with a man. It sounds ridiculous to us today, that someone, anyone, without a predilection to homosexuality or bisexuality, would just become so lustful they just had to have sex with someone of same gender. We know better now, in the same way a flat Earth held aloft by pillars from the seas and a dome of the sky holding back more seas sounds ridiculous. ... but you have been teaching us for years that we have to remember we reading a narrative written by men, inspired by God (both, and) from a radically different culture and of a completely different time and written in a language that is not our own. I wish, and pray, that on this subject you would listen to your own teachings.
This told me all I needed to know before watching this. I think the church's views on sex are misguided and outdated. Another one of Tim's videos explains this, yet it seems he has dropped the ball when it comes to sexuality and gender. I see a lot of new-age churches do this- claim love and incluvisity but hardball sexuality as if it too isnt victim to the same cultural context and history. If anyone who is LGBTQ needs a safe church or worship, the United Church of Christ is inclusive and welcomes all gender expressions and sexualities as a show of God's great creativity and our own diversity. And please know you have other safe spaces to talk about this stuff, and that you aren't eternally damned for having a same sex partner. Scripture for study: story of Jesus and the centurion.
@@lindsaymadzivanzira4177 these are not opinions. It is putting to use exactly what Tim has taught us all for years. My point is that Tim himself is not practicing what he preaches, but only for this specific teaching. I cannot understand this and he won’t respond. To me or anyone else who brings this contradiction up. My comment is educated and based on years of (admittedly) amateur research and deep personal insights. Your argument seems to be based on repeated catch phrases we all have heard for decades.
@@jamieg103 from listening to many of Tim's videos, I think he may be personally very conflicted about the issue of Christians who may also be gay. I notice that when he teaches on scriptures from the OT, Paul and from Jesus, he is very careful to say that Paul says this . . . or Jesus says this . . . about marriage being between a man and a woman. And he is correct. The Bible makes frequent references to marriage as being between a man and a woman. I think he doesn't feel that it's his role to influence opinions outside of what the Bible actually says, since going back to what scripture actually says is the foundation of his work.
Dear Friend, Remember that even those we may disagree with on either side, Let us extend Grace to one another as God's Grace is extended to us. We all are part of the Body of Christ. We are the Church, Pro or Anti. Let us make room for one another and remain humble with each other.
When you truley Love Jesus First above ones on culture, environment, color. Above ones Creed, Allegiance, Pride then you will start to experience the transformation that Jesus Christ has for you. Because it is a personal journey. It happens from the inside and changes you on the outside to look more like Christ. Much Love.
thank you for this teaching... i have been into many Calvinism books lately, and this made me remember my first Love... Jesus! not theology
Amen.
Tim is a sincere teacher. Thank you so much for making these videos available.
Tim, you help me understand very complicated subjects. Amen
I'm orthodox catholic and I listen to Tim, he is a holy wise learned man
Watching this in 2021. Even more true today than ever before.
Me too
Amazing,powerful and passionate. Thank you Tim I wish all mankind could truly hear this sermon, love ❤️ from Australia
Beautiful. Thank you Tim. Putting the teachings in context really enriches the meaning and you do a great job of it.
I was saying Amen the whole time Tim, when you was showing the paintings 😂❤.
A very important message for our day. Thank you, Tim.
Mackie sees things in scripture that I have never seen nor ever been taught (and, I'm pretty much reading & studying scripture daily for 40 years now). I come away from his lectures just shaking my head in awe. The man is so gifted, and he is using his gift -- as he should be doing.
Yaaayyyy!!!!! Thank you so much Tim!!!
It’s very valuable sermon, thank you :)
Amen amen amen. Powerful, beautiful, convicting Truth.
my understanding the Bible is changing your teaching open up my eyes
God bless you abundantly
And one more....Amen
So perfect for today. Thank you!
Thank you Tim!
You really give me inspiration Tim, even though I am Australian. You raise important and versatile arguments that make your sermons very inclusive. Thank you.
I've always loved Paul's letters🙏
KING JESUS, halelu yah
Thank you
I don’t want any anger against the Bible.
I was bullied and I get grizzle Emotion’s hating a person against the rest.
I’m a very chatty Kathy woman
I know this is my issue and my lack of understanding.
I know it’s my own past not allowing full heart submission.
I need help to understand what God wants and how to rid of my will or lack of emotional stupidity.
Hope I understand his word now I found these vids.
Thank you so much
God bless Amen
Using the Madonna And Child paintings was a wonderful way to illustrate both the diversity and unity of Christians. Along those same lines, Miqedem's Psalm 150 (and friends across the globe) is very powerful, and a great song, too!
"And My house shall be called a house of prayer for [ALL] the nations."
Powerful!
Resetting the default... Paul created a viral network of Christ Jesus followers worshipping in home (church). Calling all nations to faithful obedience.
Watching in 2022
Thx Tim
Wow!
Solid teaching that follows the Word of God and not the word of our current culture on sexual immorality and marriage 28:00
Lous lip smacking after every sentence
Please tell us the name of the book you quoted from and the author's name. Thank you!!
Larry Hurtado
"Destroyer of the Gods: Early Christian Distinctiveness in the Roman World"
Watching i 2022
26:45 Like your teaching on Christians having a choice between God's Word and the word of some current cultures.
For example, you mention Christians needing to 'Join Jesus's body on His (biblical) terms' by illustration of Jesus's teaching and definition of marriage and sex between a man and a woman (Mathew 19,4)
why does the books of revelation mention only 12 Apostles?
The 12 were the foundation.
I was wondering that too..
I wonder if it's because the 12 preached of more of the gospel of the kingdom of God therefore they were the foundation and Paul more of the gospel of the body of Christ doctrine and the mystery. Don't quote me on that, I need to look into it more, something to think about though..
1 Cor 15:7 Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth.
Cool sermon, but why do the paintings look like tarot cards at the end? It's weird...
DareDevil, etc., which paintings? and which decks? Tarot cards depict a lot of Biblical imagery -- the Tower is the Tower of Babel, the opening in the background of one of the Queen cards is the "narrow gate," three of clubs? the girls dancing are the foolish virgins of the wedding party, the four creatures in the corner of the World, etc., I haven't looked at a deck since I was saved, so I'm going on memory, but I will often recall a card when I read a Biblical passage, and think, "hey, that's totally the ___ card." BUT don't think that tarot is ok, it's not, it's still divination. It's like the snake in the Garden who twisted God's word to suit his own purposes and lead mankind astray. There is truth in the readings, but then again, how hard is it to predict a breakup when a woman comes for a reading to see if her bf really loves her? They can be used as a starting point for conversation, but still, you're playing with fire, because the other person may buy a deck and start using them for divination. And once you start, it becomes an obsession. Live in the now.
Even Sir Tim Mackie admits the MessiYah is not white.
What is your problem? Jesus Christ is representing ALL of humanity. It is not important how he looked like before his resurrection.
I have watched a great many of your videos. Constantly and thoroughly you speak about understanding the bible through a lens of a different, ancient culture. You explain in creation stories how it isn't meant to be a discourse about the creation of the physical world. You mention how science has shown our planet exists in the universe in a way that is wholly incomprehensible to the ancient Hebrew understanding. You show us how language we all grew up with is sometimes, often, mistranslated. You continually advise reading the whole of the bible to glimpse that is "narrative" by which you mean mythology but don't use that word because in modern society "myth" has come to mean "false" when in actuality "myth" is a story, a narrative, that has meaning to the myth listeners lives.
Yet on this topic, homosexuality, you cannot accept modern, scientific understandings that for a minority of the population it is an unalterable fact of their being? You are completely comfortable claiming that so many aspects of the bible to be viewed in correlation with the cultures and times they were written but you seem completely incapable or unwilling to do so on this subject? What you are in affect saying is that homosexual people, unless you are claiming homosexuality is a choice and alterable -- and I really hope you are not saying that because despite my anger and upset over this topic I never thought you unintelligent and this view, that homosexuality is a choice and alterable, is clearly unintelligent -- that homosexual people are meant and destined to live a life of loneliness, solitude, not permitted to form bonds of love, dignity, and care. To have no one to abide with them in illness or strife, to have no person with which share celebrations of joy and success. You are saying that homosexual people, who are also people of God, are to spend their entire lives without physical embrace and to be chaste, lost, and treated as less than full human beings.
Why is that?
Paul speaks of sexual immorality that is lustful, exploitative (prostitution), in connection with pagan practices, and perverse (pederasty). He, from what we can tell, even invented a word to describe men who purchase sex from male prostitutes -- because the words of the culture he was writing to only had a words to describe the men who sold their bodies. For those men it was completely acceptable, in the prevailing culture, to be dismissive of and describe as less than. Paul said not only men who sell their bodies but also men who purchase the use of those bodies, both, will not achieve the kingdom of God. By your own insistence of reading the bible in awareness of the culture and time we can understand why Paul had to invent a word and that his invention of said word would have been shocking to a population who had been taught their whole lives that male prostitutes who gave their bodies were, of course, subject to disdain but that the same was not true for those who purchased the use of their bodies.
Jesus never spoke of homosexuality. If he was aware of it, and we must assume he was -- just as we must assume that he was aware that Earth was a planetary body and dome of he sky was the atmosphere and refraction of light and not holding back waters of the heavens, subjects to which he also never spoke -- he would have also known that the idea of homosexuality, the very concept, was totally outside the realm of understanding of his 1st Century Jewish people. He would have known that for centuries before and after him male, same-sex sexual behavior was attributed excess lust (just as Paul believed). As if a man became so filled with lust that he couldn't help himself and women became not enough so he had to have sex with a man. It sounds ridiculous to us today, that someone, anyone, without a predilection to homosexuality or bisexuality, would just become so lustful they just had to have sex with someone of same gender. We know better now, in the same way a flat Earth held aloft by pillars from the seas and a dome of the sky holding back more seas sounds ridiculous.
... but you have been teaching us for years that we have to remember we reading a narrative written by men, inspired by God (both, and) from a radically different culture and of a completely different time and written in a language that is not our own.
I wish, and pray, that on this subject you would listen to your own teachings.
This told me all I needed to know before watching this. I think the church's views on sex are misguided and outdated. Another one of Tim's videos explains this, yet it seems he has dropped the ball when it comes to sexuality and gender. I see a lot of new-age churches do this- claim love and incluvisity but hardball sexuality as if it too isnt victim to the same cultural context and history.
If anyone who is LGBTQ needs a safe church or worship, the United Church of Christ is inclusive and welcomes all gender expressions and sexualities as a show of God's great creativity and our own diversity. And please know you have other safe spaces to talk about this stuff, and that you aren't eternally damned for having a same sex partner.
Scripture for study: story of Jesus and the centurion.
My brother understand who you are outside of your own narrative. Lay down your strong opinions and read to not justify your view
@@lindsaymadzivanzira4177 these are not opinions. It is putting to use exactly what Tim has taught us all for years. My point is that Tim himself is not practicing what he preaches, but only for this specific teaching. I cannot understand this and he won’t respond. To me or anyone else who brings this contradiction up.
My comment is educated and based on years of (admittedly) amateur research and deep personal insights. Your argument seems to be based on repeated catch phrases we all have heard for decades.
@@jamieg103 from listening to many of Tim's videos, I think he may be personally very conflicted about the issue of Christians who may also be gay. I notice that when he teaches on scriptures from the OT, Paul and from Jesus, he is very careful to say that Paul says this . . . or Jesus says this . . . about marriage being between a man and a woman. And he is correct. The Bible makes frequent references to marriage as being between a man and a woman. I think he doesn't feel that it's his role to influence opinions outside of what the Bible actually says, since going back to what scripture actually says is the foundation of his work.
Dear Friend, Remember that even those we may disagree with on either side, Let us extend Grace to one another as God's Grace is extended to us. We all are part of the Body of Christ. We are the Church, Pro or Anti. Let us make room for one another and remain humble with each other.
What about gay people? Paul did not seem very inclusive or loving towards gay people.
Cause God doesn't shame
When you truley Love Jesus First above ones on culture, environment, color. Above ones Creed, Allegiance, Pride then you will start to experience the transformation that Jesus Christ has for you. Because it is a personal journey. It happens from the inside and changes you on the outside to look more like Christ. Much Love.