Guide To Using Zebras With All Sony Gammas

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  • Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
  • By popular demand here is my guide to using zebras with the different Sony picture profiles. I cover all the cine gammas, S-Cinetone, S-LOG 2 and 3 as well as the HLG gammas. I did omit modes such as REC709, Pro, Cinema etc as they tend to be less popular plus there is lots of overlap with the other linear gamma examples in this video. I’ve been wanting to make this video for quite some time and it took a great deal of effort so I hope you find it helpful and interesting.
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    0:00 Intro
    0:28 Heads up
    1:02 Why did I make this guide?
    1:59 In the menu
    2:34 Standard plus range
    3:05 Lower limit
    3:31 Zebras to protect highlights
    4:33 Protect highlights examples
    6:08 Zebras to expose skin tones
    7:23 Cine 1 skin tones
    7:49 Cine 2 skin tones
    8:14 Cine 3 skin tones
    8:37 Cine 4 skin tones
    8:55 S-Cinetone skin tones
    10:49 S-Log 2 and 3 skin tones
    12:59 HLG modes skin tones
    16:11 18% grey?
    17:34 Zebra tipss

КОМЕНТАРІ • 146

  • @HarvVideoAudioStuff
    @HarvVideoAudioStuff  2 роки тому +20

    Enjoy guys! This was time consuming one to make so pls share etc

  • @dj_wilson
    @dj_wilson Рік тому +4

    I'm so glad I found this video! This has been extremely helpful with helping me nail down exposure for Slog3. Thank you

  • @Minus20Design
    @Minus20Design Рік тому +4

    This is brilliant. Thank you for sharing your many insights and tips on using Zebras. What a lot of work!

  • @calebfortune
    @calebfortune 9 місяців тому +5

    Been watching for years and can honestly say your color work has massively improved. Definitely not meant as a backhand compliment - there were a TON of creators that used to over push skin tone looks that lead to really odd duo tone roll off that I felt I used to see in yours. These more recent videos are a perfect balance and should definitely set the standard for some other creators in the YT community.

  • @gyamtsoprod2245
    @gyamtsoprod2245 2 роки тому

    Thanks a lot for this precious video and sharing. I don't use zebras very often because it seems a little bit complicated to me but after watching this, I will certainly integrate zebras to my process 👍

  • @TheAaronalden
    @TheAaronalden 2 роки тому +1

    Wow, what a ton of work! Thank you for taking the time and sharing!

  • @bovinicide
    @bovinicide 2 роки тому +1

    Very interesting and very helpful - thanks a bunch, Mr Harv!

  • @CarlosBarronJr
    @CarlosBarronJr 2 роки тому +1

    Wow! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! Your videos are the most helpful!

  • @grnmtnskier
    @grnmtnskier 12 днів тому

    Thanks very much - extremely helpful. Just returning to video and learning how to use the a6700. Agree that the exposure meter does not appear very helpful and that is why I wanted to learn how to use zebras.
    With the zebras turned on, it will be so much easier to adjust the exposure with a variable ND and just adjust to eliminate all but the specular highlights. The information regarding the correct zebra setting for the S-Cinetone profile was incredibly helpful. Thanks again.

  • @gillesmatheronpro
    @gillesmatheronpro 2 роки тому

    Superb work, very useful and efficient. Thank you !

  • @Wolf_1775
    @Wolf_1775 2 роки тому +1

    This is incredibly useful and just helped me figure out a few things. Much appreciated!

  • @hANBinhanbin
    @hANBinhanbin Рік тому

    Very helpful. Thanks for the effort making this video and sharing.

  • @Deep-Travel
    @Deep-Travel 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent and very helpful video. Thanks! And thanks for the chapters.

  • @jerryvandebeek8966
    @jerryvandebeek8966 7 місяців тому +1

    Super helpful and thanks for keeping it simple.

  • @acaiv1797
    @acaiv1797 Рік тому

    Great video, your content has definitely helped me get out of some jams.

  • @donttellhimpike2043
    @donttellhimpike2043 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent, Harv.

  • @RanjanSharma2001
    @RanjanSharma2001 Рік тому

    Very very helpful video which I watched without blinking my eyes, Thanks for such in depth video.

  • @georgbucher6873
    @georgbucher6873 2 роки тому

    Thank you very much for this very interesting and useful informations!!! Very well done!

  • @Scriptshepherd
    @Scriptshepherd Рік тому

    Exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you.

  • @RockWILK
    @RockWILK 2 роки тому +1

    Damn. You put A LOT of work into this. Really helpful, thanks so much for sharing.

  • @moc1911
    @moc1911 Рік тому

    That was SUPER helpful. Thank you so much!

  • @mattskiduggan
    @mattskiduggan Рік тому

    Thanks for these videos, really informative.

  • @edwintan73
    @edwintan73 2 роки тому

    very details and easy understanding content! thanks so much!

  • @YogevMontekyo
    @YogevMontekyo Рік тому +1

    good video. false color and zebras work well. sometimes had difficulties in getting the correct value for various skin tones and conditions, but overall system works :)

  • @jeffhampton6972
    @jeffhampton6972 Рік тому

    This is ridiculously helpful, thank you so very much! :D

  • @mirvinj05
    @mirvinj05 Рік тому

    Thank you sir!!! Just jumped up from an a6000 do I'm relearning everything. Just the info I was looking for.

  • @UpSco8
    @UpSco8 5 місяців тому +1

    Incredible work!! Thanks for taking the time!

  • @TroyBrooksPainter
    @TroyBrooksPainter 2 роки тому +1

    You’ve got a great eye for skin tone and color. Well done. Much appreciated.

  • @alocofilms
    @alocofilms Рік тому

    Very good and informativ video, Thank you!

  • @RKAlapana
    @RKAlapana 10 місяців тому

    Thanks for this video....really a best guide for a best video...thank you so much

  • @TomKaszuba
    @TomKaszuba 2 місяці тому +1

    Genius work here. Thank you very much.

  • @victormultanen1981
    @victormultanen1981 2 роки тому +2

    It is very valuable video!

  • @Hsukhaybir
    @Hsukhaybir Рік тому

    As a photographer I know little about perfect sloshed for video .. I set my zebra at lower limit 109+ to get the best shadow quality since I shoot raw
    but I was wondering when I see some people in studio or videographer literally exposing until they see highlights in the faces and then take the shot .. but now I understand that they use lower values to indicate the right exposure
    Thank you learned something today !

  • @Shadow_Li
    @Shadow_Li Рік тому

    Thank you bro , huge work

  • @AsiaStreet365
    @AsiaStreet365 Рік тому

    Excellent video.

  • @cordoar
    @cordoar Рік тому

    Thanks for your work.👍

  • @AmirGhorbani-tb5kr
    @AmirGhorbani-tb5kr 6 місяців тому +1

    Thank you, that was great!

  • @JonatanCastro
    @JonatanCastro 6 місяців тому +1

    This video = GOLD

  • @authorizedauthority9725
    @authorizedauthority9725 Рік тому +1

    AMAZING!

  • @jonathangolgota
    @jonathangolgota 6 місяців тому +2

    im agree, for controlled room lighting, just using standard + plus range target for skin tones, for video product or outside room/uncontrolled lighting just use lower limit + exposure for hightlight

  • @ValorMediaTN
    @ValorMediaTN Місяць тому

    Helped so much thank you

  • @frederickreed4604
    @frederickreed4604 2 роки тому

    Thanks for doing this.

  • @CVisions
    @CVisions 7 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for this!

  • @PhillipRPeck
    @PhillipRPeck Рік тому

    This needs more views.

  • @flightographist
    @flightographist 10 місяців тому

    Amazerful!

  • @AlexanderCornel
    @AlexanderCornel 2 роки тому

    Nice 👍 great and helpful 👍

  • @aungkophyokan7820
    @aungkophyokan7820 Рік тому

    thank bro… this video helps me alots

  • @shotbygenaro
    @shotbygenaro 2 роки тому +2

    LEGEND! Thank you so much man! 💯💯💯🙌🏽

    • @HarvVideoAudioStuff
      @HarvVideoAudioStuff  2 роки тому

      😄

    • @shotbygenaro
      @shotbygenaro 2 роки тому

      @@HarvVideoAudioStuff so i never had time to fully reply but again thank you bro for this! ive been looking for someone to propperly explain how to set it up and know the exact percentages! really helpful! also i know you didnt mention with Slog3 ive notice the base ISO is 800 but you can go down to 200, i did some test and when you go past below 800 the exposing goes all tips up lol like the zebras, M.M and the histogram gives false information, dont know if you noticed yourself? this is with the A7IV btw and again thank you! keep it all up man!

  • @olivier-unia-dharmaprod
    @olivier-unia-dharmaprod Рік тому +1

    top.... perfect job... thank you

  • @CinematographyLischkaChannel2
    @CinematographyLischkaChannel2 2 роки тому +1

    thanks for teaching us.
    gear doesn't solve a lack of knowledge.

  • @iamzebra7025
    @iamzebra7025 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you🎉

  • @norgerichard
    @norgerichard Рік тому

    Thank u so much bro

  • @stevemaster85
    @stevemaster85 Рік тому

    I use C1 zebra to expose for middle gray with a color checker, than overexpose + 1 and 1/3 stop for skintone ad a slight overexposure that log profiles likes. Than switch to C2 zebra 106 to check for clipping

  • @Josh.Vanjani
    @Josh.Vanjani 2 роки тому +1

    That was a very interesting and informative listen, Harv! I'm going to try out those values next time I film. Also, it seems you guys in the UK say "Zebra" a bit different than here in the US (where it's more like two e's). 🦓

    • @patrickfalls6819
      @patrickfalls6819 2 роки тому +1

      It is because they pronounce the letter Z as "ZED," and we pronounce the letter Z as "ZEE."

    • @Tugela60
      @Tugela60 Рік тому +1

      ​@Patrick Falls Zed is the correct pronunciation. "Zee" is a uniquely American thing. Everywhere else in the English speaking world it is "Zed".

  • @ClaesFeldt
    @ClaesFeldt 10 місяців тому

    This was useful.
    You mentioned that you like S-Cinetone and i just started to use that.
    I suppose you then use PP11 ?
    Are you then using the standard settings or are you tweaking it a bit ?
    Thanks for the video, learnt a lot.

  • @ErikHill1
    @ErikHill1 Рік тому +8

    Great video Harv! Assuming this was mainly for 10 bit, what would you suggest for 8 bit out of the ZV-E10?

  • @chrisnigul
    @chrisnigul 2 роки тому +4

    Phantom LUT pdf says to set zebras STD+Range at 56 IRE and with a +- of 3. Did you try that setting?

  • @nostalgia_box
    @nostalgia_box Рік тому

    Very helpful! I really want to know the lut you used at 5:55 for slog3!

  • @tggentil
    @tggentil 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for the video I was looking for. If you overexposed (1.6) in Slog 3 your skin tone level should also increase right? At which level?

  • @transicionesdevinilos.3120
    @transicionesdevinilos.3120 Рік тому

    so deep. ty.

  • @mustafagomen7084
    @mustafagomen7084 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this very clear video.
    I have a question are these settings valid for the sony A7S2?
    is there still great interest in filming in slog 3 with the sony A7S2?

    • @HarvVideoAudioStuff
      @HarvVideoAudioStuff  Рік тому +2

      Many thanks, yes should still work for a7S2. I always used to use slog2 when my a7S2 was my primary 👍🏻

  • @gooseman294
    @gooseman294 2 роки тому +1

    Great video. Insanely helpful. A couple of follow up questions. Do the SLOG values still apply if you are using a conversion LUT on an external monitor or the gamma display assist in camera? Or should they be closer to the CINE profile values since it’s being converted to a rec.709 color space? Thanks!

    • @Visions_in_Toyko
      @Visions_in_Toyko 2 роки тому

      Good question, I am keen to know the answer to this as well

    • @gooseman294
      @gooseman294 2 роки тому

      @@Visions_in_Toyko I used his Slog 3 zebra numbers in camera and exposed for skin tones, the image on the external monitor was properly exposed. I didn’t bother putting zebras on the external monitor and it came out nice. I didn’t have a problem with blown out skin tones that I couldn’t recover at all which I’ve struggled with before. I guess I could have checked false color on the external monitor to see where the values fell but over all the values he’s recommended worked really well. It gave me the properly exposed image I wanted so that I could do what I needed to in post with color.

  • @pierre1509
    @pierre1509 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video, thanks a lot. Using the Gamma Assist to display Rec709 instead of a recorded flat profile, do the zebra need to be set up such as with Rec709 or as with the flat profile ?

  • @aghaanantyab
    @aghaanantyab Рік тому +1

    What percent of the gamma output is produced if I use the standard color profile on the Sony A7 III camera? 4:19

  • @junyoo164
    @junyoo164 2 роки тому

    Thank you for the great video! One question though, why do you like standard/range better for setting up the skin-tone than the lower limit? To me, lower limit seems better option because zebra shows and remains on the skin area above the limit. Zebra shows and then disappears with the standard/range mode when some part of the skin goes out of the limit range.

    • @useless_name
      @useless_name 9 місяців тому

      if you overexpose skintones (which can happen whil using lower limit), they become too pale because they loose saturation.

  • @MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent
    @MrPhillipsTheChangeAgent Рік тому

    Great video I can not find any videos that discuss this topic for individuals with darker skin tones. If you do a video like that it would get many views. Man I wish you could have grabbed a buddy with darker skin tones. Anyhow would you lower the limit for darker skin tones?

  • @peterkertesz2861
    @peterkertesz2861 3 місяці тому

    Awesome video. I just want to confirm one things - These slog3 settings (94+) and (52+-2) are when lookign at Slog3 on camera without applying a Rec709 Lut on camera, right? I like to monitor my slog3 footage while teh rec709 lut is on ( not the gamma assist) - do you have zebra numbers for those as well? thx

  • @Cheekywekamedia
    @Cheekywekamedia Рік тому

    Great video Harv! So, if Slog-2 has a higher zebra peak of 106% - does that mean it retains greater highlights than Slog-3?

    • @andrewtaylor5103
      @andrewtaylor5103 Рік тому +2

      No, the dynamic range is just spread over a larger data range. S log 2 is also a steeper curve. These two things are why s log 2 is better suited to 8 bit codecs.

  • @Filmmakers_N
    @Filmmakers_N Рік тому

    Good afternoon, do you always use zebra in 109 for outdoor shooting( s-cinetone )?

  • @omerbulbul8185
    @omerbulbul8185 Рік тому

    So can we use a grey card for correctly exposing wth whese hlg percentage?
    +And for highligts , should i see the zebras when i use these settings?
    (I am new on this point and living some issues sorry for my amateur questions, i just wanna learn)

  • @CounterStrikeOfficialShorts
    @CounterStrikeOfficialShorts 7 місяців тому

    thanks

  • @mpark1206
    @mpark1206 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the breakdown. For the skin tones, are you adjusting until you JUST see the zebras?

    • @HarvVideoAudioStuff
      @HarvVideoAudioStuff  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks! No, as I set a % range I’m looking to see zebra coverage on most of the key light side. I’m not worried about a couple of brighter areas (the bit where I mention natural oils) 👍🏻

    • @mpark1206
      @mpark1206 2 роки тому

      @@HarvVideoAudioStuff ok. I just didn't know the difference between lower limit and std range. Did some tests and looks great with phantom luts. Thanks.

  • @jordanbathe8772
    @jordanbathe8772 2 роки тому +2

    thank you so much! what would you use for zebras on the no PP on?

    • @rgbman01
      @rgbman01 2 роки тому +1

      With no PP you should be fine if you set zebras to 100+.

  • @AJCoReTV
    @AJCoReTV 2 роки тому +1

    Thx! Do you have a beginners guide for waveforms also?

    • @HarvVideoAudioStuff
      @HarvVideoAudioStuff  2 роки тому +2

      Many thanks, waveforms video is coming 👍🏻

    • @AJCoReTV
      @AJCoReTV 2 роки тому +1

      @@HarvVideoAudioStuff subbed!

  • @Roz-Inspire-Video
    @Roz-Inspire-Video 2 роки тому

    Awesome stuff… was using lower limit but think I’m going to try stnd +- … so appreciate

  • @user-ol8ry3cl3l
    @user-ol8ry3cl3l 8 днів тому

    Thanks! What about shooting a rock show in Slog3.cine Gamut3 when the lighting change during the show

  • @blaylock1978
    @blaylock1978 Рік тому +1

    Nice video, thanks! I know it isn’t your favorite method, but when exposing with an 18% gray card, I have a Z cam which uses two different zebra values one that goes from 0 to 50 and the other that goes from 55 to 100. So I didn’t really understand why there isn’t just one slider but to simplify it, what would I set either one of those two for the 18% gray card? I guess I’m just trying to simplify the process. Thank you in advance.

    • @HarvVideoAudioStuff
      @HarvVideoAudioStuff  Рік тому +2

      Hmm strange, I’ve not worked with a zcam (yet) but hope to at some point. Would the 0-50 be for grey card and 55-100 for skin tones/highlights etc?

    • @blaylock1978
      @blaylock1978 Рік тому

      @@HarvVideoAudioStuff It’s funny because I’ve found nothing in it. In the guide it just references the zebras as an assist tool but doesn’t explain it. Thank you for you help regardless. I’ll keep playing and see but your video helps understand the concept so I appreciate it and hopefully I can find the right sweet spot for the settings.

  • @angelopoulis5825
    @angelopoulis5825 2 роки тому +1

    11.56 PHantom luts guide for skintones is 56 + - 3 , no?

  • @shpynda
    @shpynda 11 місяців тому

    What zebras setting for exposure skintone for S-Cinetone?

  • @sammyh9542
    @sammyh9542 Рік тому

    It’s odd that when you used the grey card to expose, you got a darker image 🤔
    Works fine for me. Unless your card is off 😅

  • @MikeT-yy3
    @MikeT-yy3 Рік тому

    I am a stills only photographer using Sony A7M4 cameras, never use video.
    My zebras are set to lower limit 103+ and I always shoot in RAW,
    Shooting mainly people I am only interested in not clipping the skin tones.
    Would you agree with my settings or would you change them

  • @elena_berlant
    @elena_berlant Рік тому +2

    ❤❤❤

  • @lostnowfound2254
    @lostnowfound2254 Рік тому

    What’s the maximum output with using the s709 lut?

  • @andrewheki2257
    @andrewheki2257 2 роки тому

    Would you set S-Log2 zebras at 62 for ETTR?

  • @bettadenu7
    @bettadenu7 Рік тому

    So what is the zebra number for HLG 2 ?

  • @ReganRoss
    @ReganRoss Рік тому

    I’m not sure what you’re doing. I only see zebras and a level. It doesn’t have a standard range nor does it specify lower limit. I’ve always used this to just look at highlight clipping. Where can I see these options in an A7iv?

  • @AJCoReTV
    @AJCoReTV Рік тому

    Not sure if I’m overthinking this as a novice, but wouldn’t the darker the skin tone mean raise the zebra higher? If your skin tone is brighter, then lower zebra?

    • @Kroess
      @Kroess Рік тому +1

      The zebra's value is the brightness you're targeting for the specific area.
      As a dark skin should also be displayed darker than a light skin in the final image, you have to keep its brightness level lower. Otherwise, dark skin would look just the same (exposure wise) as light skin.

  • @ge11erth
    @ge11erth 7 місяців тому

    what zebra settings should i use if i`m not using any Picture Profile? Creative style - Neutral.

  • @gagan.dee.p
    @gagan.dee.p 5 місяців тому

    What is the highlight clipping value of a6700 while shooting in PP Off.. i.e. with picture profiles turned off? I can't find this info anywhere.

  • @FotomaniaYT
    @FotomaniaYT 11 місяців тому +1

    Hello, are these zebra values ​​valid for a zve10? I see that you have full frame but my camera is apsc

    • @HarvVideoAudioStuff
      @HarvVideoAudioStuff  11 місяців тому +1

      Hmm I don’t see why not, the gammas should be the same so sensor size shouldn’t be a factor 👍🏻

  • @matthewpcosta
    @matthewpcosta 2 місяці тому

    All your skin tones are going to be shifted if you stay at Iso 100 thru all those modes, they all have shifted ISOs from each other. ISO in digital cameras only shifts your gray point inyour dynamic range, hence your skin tones only, unless you cross a dual ISO.

  • @standard_gauge
    @standard_gauge Рік тому

    I was looking at video by Gerald Undone and in it he recommended that the your Zebra levels set a little below the maximum for the gamma your are using. So CINE4 is 109% set the Zebra at say 106%. Does anyone have a view on this idea?

  • @angelopoulis5825
    @angelopoulis5825 2 роки тому +2

    for s cinetone, gray card should be still at 41% , or at 50%. is 41% rule specifically for slog3? thanks

    • @shpynda
      @shpynda 11 місяців тому

      Did you find answer?

    • @angelopoulis5825
      @angelopoulis5825 10 місяців тому

      @@shpynda no. but for s cinetone, zebra skintones should be 65-70.. so use that instead. also a white card should be 81% for s-cinetone..i think the gray should be 50% but not sure

  • @albertbernal7434
    @albertbernal7434 Рік тому

    So if slog2 zebras is 106 what should are lower limit be ?

  • @anuraageessar_x
    @anuraageessar_x 4 місяці тому

    Can false colour be installed on the Sony A7Cii?

  • @xutsider
    @xutsider 2 місяці тому

    so if the zebras show too much you have to change the exposure?

  • @jameiealehandro
    @jameiealehandro 11 місяців тому +1

    is slog2 better than hlg3 for sony 8 bit apsc cameras ?

    • @HarvVideoAudioStuff
      @HarvVideoAudioStuff  11 місяців тому +1

      Hmm I’d say there’s little difference when using 8 bit, best bet is to choose what you’re most comfortable with 👍🏻

  • @choukribaziz
    @choukribaziz Рік тому +1

    If zebra helps me to expose slog2 correctly then my question is will i abandon the ND filter?

  • @stuartcarr2150
    @stuartcarr2150 Рік тому

    Really appreciate your sharing of information Harv and love your humorous delivery but please dial down the background music. Don’t get me wrong the tune is great but way too busy and distracting to be background music which I think competes with you….the main subject of the video.
    It’s probably you playing the guitar I’m guessing and bonus points to you if so…….nice !!!
    Please give some consideration to putting some uninteresting, benign elevator music behind your very interesting voice and content as there’s no need for distracting competition of your excellent creative content.
    Please don’t be offended, it just does my brain in trying to decipher two awesome content streams at once ! Love the music which IMHO really should be listened to solo especially if it’s your playing.
    Luv Ya Work 👍

  • @gettriggered8404
    @gettriggered8404 25 днів тому

    Still confused. Custom 1 what should my zebras be at and +- and Custom 2 what should it be?
    im running with phantom luts and slog3