The Untold Truth Of Genesis

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  • Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
  • Featuring two extraordinarily talented vocalists who would both go on to have mega-successful solo careers, Genesis was at one time one of the biggest bands on the planet. Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel are true rock icons, and both brought something truly special to Genesis, which evolved considerably between forming in 1967 and disbanding in 2000. After Gabriel and Collins left the group, Genesis added a third lead singer to its lineup for a single album - one of many little-known pieces of trivia about this truly unique rock band. Curious about the evolution of the band behind hit singles like "Invisible Touch" and "I Can't Dance"? This is the untold truth of Genesis.
    #Genesis #Band #Rock
    Gabriel's Angels | 0:00
    Adding Phil Collins | 1:27
    Gabriel's wild costumes | 2:44
    Collins becomes lead singer | 4:01
    Gabriel's 1982 return | 4:56
    Genesis ruled 1986 | 6:06
    Phil Collins lawsuit | 7:19
    Weird guitar sounds | 8:22
    'I Can't Dance' | 9:22
    The Ray Wilson era | 10:21
    Genesis says goodbye | 11:04
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  • @GrungeHQ
    @GrungeHQ  2 роки тому +12

    What is your favorite Genesis album?

  • @ohnobro1424
    @ohnobro1424 2 роки тому +80

    Genesis has one of the most underrated discographies in music. Almost all of their albums are phenomenal.

    • @davidgreen7870
      @davidgreen7870 2 роки тому +3

      Underrated! What the hell are you on . Your talking nonsense.

    • @pickleking3732
      @pickleking3732 2 роки тому +1

      Not even close to being underrated.

    • @Aquatarkus96
      @Aquatarkus96 2 роки тому +2

      Genesis are better described as misunderstood by the general public, not under rated.

    • @ramdom_9
      @ramdom_9 2 роки тому +3

      Well people should appreciate And then there were three songs more, great stuff

    • @arzabael
      @arzabael 5 місяців тому

      I’m sorry. But Duke and Abacab are utterly horrendous albums. It’s not music.

  • @walterfechter8080
    @walterfechter8080 2 роки тому +10

    "Afterglow" speaks to my heart like no other tune by Genesis. I've requested that tune be played at my send-off. "Your Own Special Way" is my second-favorite by the stellar band (Genesis). Thank you, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel and bandmates. All of you are true innovators and world-class musicians.

  • @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
    @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT 2 роки тому +34

    Genesis will always be my #1 favorite band!

    • @thekitowl
      @thekitowl 2 роки тому +2

      Difficult to like a band they split into two fractions.. I went with Peter & later Steve , have never regretted it.

    • @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT
      @IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT 2 роки тому +1

      @@thekitowl I became a Phil Collins fan and then got into Genesis between 2013-2014

    • @johndyslin798
      @johndyslin798 2 роки тому

      me too

  • @Obeythebeard
    @Obeythebeard 2 роки тому +16

    At 6:00 I guess we are supposed to think that Peter Gabriel appeared dressed as Tony Levin.

    • @scottburns2600
      @scottburns2600 2 роки тому +3

      I love Tony Levin. He looks the exact same from 40 years ago to now!

    • @steve-0493
      @steve-0493 2 роки тому +1

      No shit haha!! I was like,wait?
      Never knew ole Petey had a "Tony Levin" costume??I'll have to look for that this Halloween lol!!🍻✌

    • @meyerj75
      @meyerj75 2 роки тому +1

      Peter Gabriel made Genesis look more like a Halloween band.

    • @macsnafu
      @macsnafu 2 роки тому +1

      Right. I was thinking that's not Pete in costume.

  • @taribluejay9881
    @taribluejay9881 2 роки тому +5

    A fantastic band. I wish I would've been able to see live shows back then. They will always be my number 1!

  • @FatNorthernBigot
    @FatNorthernBigot 2 роки тому +22

    I bought ‘calling all stations’ and quite enjoyed it.

    • @rk41gator
      @rk41gator 2 роки тому +5

      It is pretty good, underrated.

    • @coolcat6303
      @coolcat6303 2 роки тому +2

      Meh, it was ok but left me really underwhelmed. The songs just weren’t memorable and Collins voice and drumming were greatly missed.

    • @ScoutMotto2011
      @ScoutMotto2011 2 роки тому

      Parts of it sound very Genesis-y, but some of the outtakes should have been on the album. Anything Now and Phret are great songs.

    • @FatNorthernBigot
      @FatNorthernBigot 2 роки тому

      @@coolcat6303 I agree. Replacing a singer after five years of success, erm… ok, but replacing a drummer after twenty years of global dominance. Nope.

    • @PeterMayer
      @PeterMayer 2 роки тому

      @@rk41gator no, it's not. The arrogance of Banks and Rutherford. The tour for that was an absolute disaster. And embarrassing.

  • @o.portista
    @o.portista 2 роки тому +4

    Seen this video in my recommended throughout the whole week, and only had time to watch it now. But what an icon Genesis is, an extremely Underated band. They'll never be anything alike. Long live Legends. 💙👑

  • @FuckTheNewAliasSystem
    @FuckTheNewAliasSystem 2 роки тому +2

    I dont care for the collins era, but as a prog band, they were one of the all time greats. It is incredible to think that 20 year olds wrote and performed Suppers Ready.

  • @kirkericson2722
    @kirkericson2722 2 роки тому +10

    I have literally thousands of albums, and Genesis are in my top 5 bands. Regarding Peter vs. Phil, I'm a huge fan of both eras. Having a love for prog shouldn't keep you from being able to enjoy well crafted pop.

  • @nighthawk674
    @nighthawk674 2 роки тому +1

    I had an absolute blast at their concert. I did the "I Can't Dance" dance up and down the stairs as if I was the only one at the venue.

  • @SknndMtlOfficial
    @SknndMtlOfficial 2 роки тому +6

    I love Genesis and I think their music is very well composed. Phil is an amazing drummer and a very neat guy. The whole band is phenomenal

  • @memyopinionsche6610
    @memyopinionsche6610 2 роки тому +7

    Phil Collins is still one of my top 10 favorite drummers of all time..

    • @rk41gator
      @rk41gator 2 роки тому +1

      His drumming is so musical. Everything he played made the song better. His jazz/fusion stuff is amazing with Brand X.

  • @natemundt4752
    @natemundt4752 2 роки тому +24

    I wish Ray got more of a chance to succeed in the band

    • @avenginglettuce
      @avenginglettuce 2 роки тому +7

      He's had a really strong solo career. I think the band owed him a shot at a second album to be honest. He was actually contracted for two and he was clear from the start he wasn't interested in coming on board as just a session singer.
      With him writing with the band from the start, I think they could have got a little more back into their proggy roots, as Wilson always said he was more of a fan of the Gabriel era side.
      Shame, Mike was ultimately more interested in pursuing the Mechanics than essentially restarting Genesis. In a way I understand but I think we lost out on what could have been a golden third act for the band. Ah well.

    • @natemundt4752
      @natemundt4752 2 роки тому +5

      @@avenginglettuce No doubt. The second album would've been better. I thought Ray was a perfect fit for the more proggy reincarnation of Genesis. His raspier voice reminded me a lot of Peter's. His solo career is great and he keeps the Genesis spirit alive

    • @marguskiis7711
      @marguskiis7711 2 роки тому

      @@avenginglettuce Ray is usually performing Phil`s songs during his Genesis-related tours.

    • @ScoutMotto2011
      @ScoutMotto2011 2 роки тому

      Same here. I was really hoping to see a new era of Genesis blossom into something good. I wanted to give them a chance on this.

    • @nighthawk674
      @nighthawk674 2 роки тому

      I would've given him a chance for damn sure.

  • @specialk8888
    @specialk8888 2 роки тому +11

    Because I’m such a Genesis nerd, I knew all of these facts 😬

    • @rk41gator
      @rk41gator 2 роки тому +1

      but they did a great job putting it all together in a nice round package.

    • @specialk8888
      @specialk8888 2 роки тому +2

      @@rk41gator very much so! Any video talking about Genesis is a good video :) although bit sad they didn’t mention Daryl Stuemer in The Last Domino tour

    • @Vince-lq3ve
      @Vince-lq3ve 2 роки тому

      hmmmm was he an actor turned drummer as stated in the beginning?

    • @specialk8888
      @specialk8888 2 роки тому

      @@Vince-lq3ve he was always a drummer but he stopped being an actor as a kid cos he got to old to play The Artful Dodger

    • @rk41gator
      @rk41gator 2 роки тому +2

      @@Vince-lq3ve Yes, while Peter, Tony, Mike and Ant were in 'public' school (private, for us Americans), Phil was in Drama school where he met his first wife. So he kinda did both at the same time. But drumming was his first love.

  • @scottleespence752
    @scottleespence752 2 роки тому +6

    Why did you show a picture of Chapman Stick player Tony Levin while talking about Gabriel?

  • @tattyheid7279
    @tattyheid7279 2 роки тому +16

    I enjoyed the vid but - 'the untold truth of Genesis', really? I hope someone can point me towards the untold bit because I've heard all of this before. There should be a big shout out to the two long time touring musicians, Daryl Steurmer & Chester Thompson who were with post Gabriel & Hackett for decades.

  • @patriciadenis8767
    @patriciadenis8767 2 роки тому +2

    TOUS les albums de Genesis sont des chefs d'oeuvres, à écouter sans modération. La Perfection. En 2022 Genesis et Phil restent les meilleurs. Grâce à Phil, Genesis a pu continuer avec un succès mondial reconnu qui perdure encore à ce jour. Sainte Trinité : Phil , Tony and Mike. God save the Phil.

  • @lindaaposto175
    @lindaaposto175 2 роки тому +11

    My Generation was Genesis ❤

    • @clouddog2393
      @clouddog2393 2 роки тому

      What generation ? The '70's hippies one or the brain dead '80's one .

    • @meyerj75
      @meyerj75 2 роки тому +2

      Speaking of My Generation, did you know that Phil Collins almost became a drummer for the Who after his first marriage ended in divorce? Unfortunately, you know the deal. Kenny took over the role and Phil started writing 100 songs dueling Genesis and a solo career.

    • @Yakkymania
      @Yakkymania 2 роки тому

      @@meyerj75 and to add on to that, Kenney Jones is friends with Mike Rutherford iirc

  • @sixtyaffairs
    @sixtyaffairs 2 роки тому +15

    There is nothing untold truth in this documentary. Just facts every Genesis Fan knows.

    • @macsnafu
      @macsnafu 2 роки тому +2

      And Genesis fans know a lot more that wasn't told in this video! ;-)

    • @janpierzchala2004
      @janpierzchala2004 Рік тому +1

      I don't like these overrating themselves titles

  • @petej.8676
    @petej.8676 2 роки тому +21

    In the 80s you couldn't swing a dead cat with out hitting a Genesis or Phil Collins song

    • @coolcat6303
      @coolcat6303 2 роки тому +4

      True but, as a cat myself, I’d prefer you not harm or swing a cat.👍

    • @scottleespence752
      @scottleespence752 2 роки тому

      Mike and the Mechanics were pretty ubiquitous as well.

    • @Geronimo_Jehoshaphat
      @Geronimo_Jehoshaphat 2 роки тому +1

      Take me back... Take take me home!

    • @brandonhusken529
      @brandonhusken529 2 роки тому

      LOL! True

    • @wasd____
      @wasd____ Рік тому

      Why were you swinging around dead cats?

  • @progpuss
    @progpuss 2 роки тому +12

    Steve Hackett , how can you miss out a major player in the band , disgraceful.

  • @julianaylor4351
    @julianaylor4351 2 роки тому +9

    I really recommend you listen to their greatest hits compilation, a double CD when released. It's a good selection that could lead to you checking out their albums. 🎶❤️

  • @Ozzy_2014
    @Ozzy_2014 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you very much. I really did not.know their history. But it was a hell of a run. Great music memories

  • @olearyma57
    @olearyma57 2 роки тому +7

    No mention at all of Steve Hackett. Was audition in Mike Rutherfords parents house ?.

    • @scottburns2600
      @scottburns2600 2 роки тому +3

      There's always been a sticky relationship with them and Hackett. I don’t know if they ever really buried the hatchet

    • @olearyma57
      @olearyma57 2 роки тому

      @@scottburns2600 I personally think that they havn't - from what I read there was personality clash with Steve and (to this day a very uptight) Tony. . Maybe that is THE UNTOLD TRUTH OF GENESIS.

    • @clouddog2393
      @clouddog2393 2 роки тому +1

      Steve is the only member with any crediblity . The others sold out years ago .

    • @bent2
      @bent2 2 роки тому +1

      @@clouddog2393 You forgot Anthony Phillips. Steve Hackett and him always stayed true to the Prog and Classical music. Phillips even more so. He still makes music in the vein of the Trespass era.

    • @isitrealgood
      @isitrealgood 2 роки тому

      @@clouddog2393 Except he's not a member. Lol.

  • @jennamarie2481
    @jennamarie2481 Рік тому

    Seeing Genesis live when I was finally allowed to go to concerts at 18 in 2007 or 8 changed my whole concept of what I thought I would like about live music. Seeing the guys have so much chemistry together and just fluidly jam is definitely why I like watching jam bands and artists in general that use live instruments and full sounding "jam" type breaks. My Dad and I (the reason I was exposed to Genesis and Phil for my whole life) sat 5th row and it's still my favorite concert to this day, and I've experienced hundreds. Some songs that they played I didn't even know before the concert but, made such a lasting impact on me that when I hear them now I have flashbacks, like Tonight Tonight Tonight. It was also absolutely epic to see em do the I Can't Dance dance. Come on!!! That's the shit! haha One of my favorite songs growing up. Also seeing Phil drum on that wild setup was very cool. Epic band, epic legacy, such talent among each member and fucking Phil dude, ya know? haha I hope they're very happy with their legacy. We appreciate them sharing it with us

  • @josiecamilo7098
    @josiecamilo7098 2 роки тому +3

    Phil is amazing love his voice and lots of great songs. We share the same birthday 🎉

  • @mintegral1719
    @mintegral1719 Рік тому

    I love these guys so much!

  • @memyopinionsche6610
    @memyopinionsche6610 2 роки тому +3

    Favorite Genesis album..
    The one that introduced me to Genesis..
    ABACAB.. next to the LAMB LIES DOWN IN Broadway and DUKE..
    Runner up INVISIBLE TOUCH.

  • @ministerofdarkness
    @ministerofdarkness 2 роки тому +11

    We still live in a "Land Of Confusion" . PLAY LOUD

    • @clouddog2393
      @clouddog2393 2 роки тому +1

      If you,re listening to the crap that Genesis now play most definitley . Don,t play loud just turn it off .

    • @rockyyayo3620
      @rockyyayo3620 2 роки тому

      @@clouddog2393 Yes, They say They can't dance ,but they can suck.

    • @meyerj75
      @meyerj75 2 роки тому

      The music video was an inspiration for Sid & Marty Krofft's D.C. Follies.

    • @Yakkymania
      @Yakkymania Рік тому

      @@clouddog2393 Stop complaining about the pop era and go do something productive with your life. Trust me, it’s so much better than thinking you’re some sort of genius music critic

  • @rk41gator
    @rk41gator 2 роки тому

    Good job on putting this together. Wrapping up such an long and varied career is a challenge, but this is concise and warmly presented. Just wish it had more of their music as a backdrop.

  • @grahamspence-music8777
    @grahamspence-music8777 2 роки тому

    A catalogue of wonderful prog music . . .

  • @willswalkingwest7267
    @willswalkingwest7267 2 роки тому +1

    I liked them in the old days. Saw the "Invisible Touch " tour in Orlando. They just didn't do it for me after that. Went to see Phil Collins a few years later in Orlando and after 3 songs he stopped the show.

  • @TheChadTI
    @TheChadTI 2 роки тому

    Mike + The Mechanics? They were big for a minute (Mike Rutherford's band) big hit singles in the mid to late 80's you had every member (sans Banks) and former member (Gabriel/Collins/Rutherford and Hackett (as GTR) with big top 40 songs, crazy.

  • @michaelparish9645
    @michaelparish9645 2 роки тому

    Supper Ready favorite song. Seconds Out favorite live album and studio album I like them all. Tony Banks favorite member of the band.

  • @victorfuentes2158
    @victorfuentes2158 2 роки тому

    The early 70’s prog genesis was just *chefs kiss*

  • @leesashriber5097
    @leesashriber5097 2 роки тому +5

    My favorite group ever!! Phil Collins is amazing, as a singer and was an awesome drummer, one of the best, until surgery. Phil Collins is my pretend boyfriend! 🥰

    • @SknndMtlOfficial
      @SknndMtlOfficial 2 роки тому +2

      I agree! Phil Collins is spectacular! Very handsome too 💕

    • @leesashriber5097
      @leesashriber5097 2 роки тому +1

      @@SknndMtlOfficial , my heart breaks at how frail he looks as of late. Still sounds as good as he did back in the late 70's and 80's.

    • @SknndMtlOfficial
      @SknndMtlOfficial 2 роки тому

      @@leesashriber5097 Me too its so unfortunate - especially now that they've permanently stopped touring. He's still got it though! Sounds great as always indeed.

  • @tonytuso12
    @tonytuso12 2 роки тому +2

    You start this doc out from the very roots and I thought it was going to be good and thorough. I was wrong. Leaving Steve Hackett's work with Genesis out of this video is either amateurish or done on purpose. His contribution to 6 amazing Genesis albums is remarkable. I understand the title of the video, but...... come on! Sorry about my rant but it is a continued theme for many writers/video docs regarding Steve. I just don't get it.

  • @Mark28644
    @Mark28644 Рік тому

    Great video, very informative & most of it factually correct. Sorry, one thing wrong. Peter didn't just abruptly leave Genesis though. He told the other members prior to the Lamb Tour in 1974/75 he was leaving after all the live shows in Europe & the US. Just saying, of course. 🙂🙂

  • @paulnolan4971
    @paulnolan4971 2 роки тому

    Trespass 70
    Nursery Cryme 71
    Foxtrot 72
    are Masterpieces

  • @KahlessTheUnforgettable
    @KahlessTheUnforgettable 2 роки тому +1

    Collins rockin the “skirted eggshell” 👶🏻

  • @220773
    @220773 2 роки тому

    Oh Lord, I'M THERE, third row... 11:14

  • @cjheaford
    @cjheaford Рік тому +1

    This wasn’t “Untold” truth about Genesis. Everything here is well documented if you’re a Genesis fan. It is very much told.

  • @thewildcampolians
    @thewildcampolians 2 роки тому +1

    Peter Gabriel was in the audience for the very last o2 concert.

  • @joeymorvant161
    @joeymorvant161 2 роки тому

    Love Genesis! To answer your question, I knew after Phil Collins left Genesis, he was replaced.

  • @memyopinionsche6610
    @memyopinionsche6610 2 роки тому +7

    The weird thing about Genesis and Phil Collins solo career..
    If you look at the lyrics off the albums face value and abacab..
    And compare it to Phil Collins divorce at the time...
    You can see into his psyche.. at the time..
    Because it's definitely written in the lyrics on both albums..
    In the air tonight isn't about watching someone drown..
    Like any creepypasta will say..
    Or lame conspiracy theorists..
    It's about his marriage drowning...
    And maybe suspecting his wife cheating?
    Seriously those two albums are very dark.. with inner narrative...
    About a impending divorce..
    And both albums.
    FACE VALUE and ABACAB was written and produced at the same time..
    And release around the same time as well..
    And I think bad divorce motif going on..

    • @marguskiis7711
      @marguskiis7711 2 роки тому

      Actually Duke was a way more about divorce than Abacab. Duke was exactly Phil`s self-projection all the way. Albert was Phil`s alter ego those days.

    • @memyopinionsche6610
      @memyopinionsche6610 2 роки тому

      I don't notice that.
      but I have to relisten to Duke..

  • @quasidiem99
    @quasidiem99 2 роки тому +1

    What is the "Untold" part of this? All of this has been told and is well known.

  • @JoaoVitor-fh5wq
    @JoaoVitor-fh5wq 2 роки тому +1

    peter gabriel 😍😍😍😍

  • @nathandodge665
    @nathandodge665 2 роки тому +5

    Actually I think a lot of people including myself got sick of hearing Phil's voice by the end of the 1980s

  • @macsnafu
    @macsnafu 2 роки тому +1

    No love for Mike & The Mechanics? Rutherford's popular 2nd band?
    Or if you really want to go for the "untold" part, what about Phil's time working with Brand X? I bet only diehard fans know about that.

  • @lazlowcigar9266
    @lazlowcigar9266 2 роки тому +2

    So we begin on the 100 millionth album sold on the 40 th year it’s Time to rest

  • @TheChadTI
    @TheChadTI 2 роки тому

    Looking back at Calling All Stations you can see all the mistakes (mainly songwriting and direction or lack their of)

  • @kyles5513
    @kyles5513 2 роки тому

    They were the best when PG sang and PC was at the drum kit.

    • @tattyheid7279
      @tattyheid7279 Рік тому

      Surely you can't overlook 'Ripples', 'Afterglow', 'Blood on the rooftops' etc. PC was also a brilliant singer. This from possibly the worlds biggest PG fan! (When I lived in the general area I used to divert past Real World Studios just to pay homage 🤣)

  • @atahualpayupanqui
    @atahualpayupanqui 2 роки тому

    Actually is Exodous

  • @miccarbo7911
    @miccarbo7911 9 місяців тому +1

    What is 'untold' about this video ?

  • @davidebonannini640
    @davidebonannini640 2 роки тому

    Wtf - he's not P. Gabriel @6:02

  • @cesargallo7424
    @cesargallo7424 2 роки тому

    Genesis on Grunge, nice! Next Madonna

  • @donnietobasco9791
    @donnietobasco9791 2 роки тому

    All this truth (and much more besides)...has already been thoroughly and extensively "told" I'm afraid, which kind of invalidates the title does it not? Also, some of this truth just obviated itself to those old enough to remember, and didn't need to be told. It's not like these things were in any way being kept secret!!

  • @timjackson5680
    @timjackson5680 2 роки тому +2

    This isn't anything new. This has been told many times before.

  • @Fygee
    @Fygee 2 роки тому

    Not even one mention of Steve Hackett except for GTR. That's a terrible shame.

  • @jboling513
    @jboling513 2 роки тому

    This truth is pretty much told.

  • @garyhansen9915
    @garyhansen9915 2 роки тому +4

    they were in the bible

  • @Chris-is6xb
    @Chris-is6xb 2 роки тому +1

    Early years only for me please. Duke lost me big-time.

    • @Vince-lq3ve
      @Vince-lq3ve 2 роки тому +1

      Odd, Duke is a fantastic album in my opinion. Just cuz it had Misunderstanding on it doesn't mean the rest is trash. Did you throw out Selling England because it had More Fool Me on it? Or And Then There were Three because of Follow You Follow Me? There are some very strong prog style songs on it and fantastic drumming. It's really quite brilliant. Actually quite a few of their later albums has some gems on them -nobody has to listen to every song.

  • @Wildgeese73
    @Wildgeese73 5 місяців тому

    And the untold truth is ?

  • @BodaciousWench
    @BodaciousWench 2 роки тому +2

    And what is the unknown truth cz I know all of this.

    • @Mermi
      @Mermi 2 роки тому

      It's called "Clickbait" 😂

  • @bmac1205
    @bmac1205 2 роки тому +3

    I hate when a millennial writes about something he knows nothing about.

    • @fawnbatts1747
      @fawnbatts1747 2 роки тому +1

      Thank you! This is one of the few sensible comments here. Had a lot of BS to wade through to get to your comment. Thanks again.

  • @brianadams5088
    @brianadams5088 2 роки тому +1

    " Weird Prog band"?

  • @Vince-lq3ve
    @Vince-lq3ve 2 роки тому

    Actor turned Drummer??? Phil was a drummer at three years old.

  • @zootallures6470
    @zootallures6470 2 роки тому

    What is the truth that has never been told here?

  • @marguskiis7711
    @marguskiis7711 2 роки тому +1

    Phil should train himself up and get fit before he makes some tour. Its just the heavy drinking and aftermath of it why he performed sitting. What a shame.

  • @pobinr
    @pobinr 2 роки тому +1

    Don't need background music. It's irritating

  • @meyerj75
    @meyerj75 2 роки тому +3

    Unlike ELP and Yes, Genesis is one of those progressive rock bands that's more easy to listen to, just a lighter version of King Crimson.

    • @oyvi00i
      @oyvi00i 2 роки тому

      90125 by yes is quite easy getting into imo

    • @eren7350
      @eren7350 Рік тому

      @@oyvi00i 90125 is the beginning of pop yes

    • @oyvi00i
      @oyvi00i Рік тому

      @@eren7350 That is why i said it is quite easy to get in to

  • @bepitan
    @bepitan 2 роки тому +2

    some of these phots are soooo wrong..lol

  • @nancyverano6249
    @nancyverano6249 2 роки тому +12

    Once Steve Hackett left, that was pretty much the end of their creativity. Genesis became more of a pop band.

    • @clouddog2393
      @clouddog2393 2 роки тому +3

      Exactly . From a great prog band to the crap they are now . At least Steve,s keeping their music and legacy alive .

    • @isitrealgood
      @isitrealgood 2 роки тому +3

      Since Hackett barely wrote anything, that's not really true. "And Then There were 3..." wasn't a pop album. "Duke" wasn't a pop album. Most Genesis fans say "Abacab" wasn't a pop album.

    • @meyerj75
      @meyerj75 2 роки тому

      Steve Hackett's reason for leaving: "I didn't want to paint the whole picture without painting part of the picture."

    • @coolcat6303
      @coolcat6303 2 роки тому +3

      Aw rubbish. There was plenty of creativity after Hackett & Gabriel left. You guys just got used to a particular sound and refused to accept anything else after that. And even though the band went Pop, they still did Prog songs on every album. Several amazing ones too.

    • @patepulkkinenvtec2403
      @patepulkkinenvtec2403 Рік тому

      I guess Cul-De-Sac and Burning Rope are not creative songs then.

  • @chikamotokenji3217
    @chikamotokenji3217 Рік тому +1

    Peters appearence
    Batwing
    Lawnmower
    Britainia
    Slipperman
    Rael

  • @danburnes722
    @danburnes722 2 роки тому

    A lot of us know the history well. This report sucks overall missing most of the pertinent history. No mention of Hackett in the early days.

  • @felsner1
    @felsner1 Рік тому

    This "truth" ain't untold at all...

  • @TheFoxtrotDuke
    @TheFoxtrotDuke 2 роки тому +4

    Congratulations.... you were able to tell the Genesis story without mentioning Steve Hackett joining the band in 1971 and then leaving in 1977. You spoke more about Ray Wilson, that did only a single album with Genesis, than about Steve Hackett that played guitar and arranged the music on 7 studio and 2 live albums (2 of which were double albums) of the band. You mentioned him briefly only for his GTR album with Steve Howe. Yet in almost every picture that you show referring to the Genesis 1971-1977 era, Steve Hackett is (obviously) present. You let out important facts while spendibg time for negligible ones so I'm sorry to say that you did a poor job.

  • @malcolmclarke3033
    @malcolmclarke3033 2 роки тому +1

    Nothing mysterious about Ray Wilson, an accomplished singer/songwriter in his own right. Americans, god's gift you music...not

  • @vaughanscott7308
    @vaughanscott7308 2 роки тому +1

    Phil Collins looks like fucking Benjamin Button now.

    • @meyerj75
      @meyerj75 2 роки тому

      Just another Colonel K of Danger Mouse.

  • @Spock105
    @Spock105 2 роки тому

    Untold ? Which part is untold ? tell me ......obvious clickbait .

  • @mikearchibald744
    @mikearchibald744 2 роки тому +3

    The only thing on there I'd never heard about was the lawsuit. Thats pretty creepy of a multi millionaire going after money like that, since its his own accounting teams fault. If you get royalties for playing on somebody album, they are the ones who are going to have the information on sales, so there's no way of knowing what your royalties should be when getting a cheque. So apparantly now you are supposed to keep most of the money in the bank just on the off chance the idiots paying you made a mistake. Thats pretty creepy and certainly makes the 'working class working man' routine look pretty badly on Phil. I wouldn't want to meet those guys in a recording studio after, it probably cost as much for the court case as they owed. And for a guy THAT rich, well, I'm a little less fond of him now.

    • @WintersWar
      @WintersWar 2 роки тому

      All bands act like this if they hit the big time, something changes in them tragically. Chris Squire became very money hungry at the end. Chasing the dollars like he needed them.

    • @Onyxmoon
      @Onyxmoon 2 роки тому

      Possibly because it would open him up to being sued by other touring members who did get paid correctly, wanting the same uncontracted terms. There may also be other considerations like being accused of tax avoidance, etc.

    • @mikearchibald744
      @mikearchibald744 2 роки тому

      @@Onyxmoon Good points. I think a little more highly of him again, but the jurisprudence aspect of it is pretty crazy. Every time I get a paycheque am I supposed to save the money in case the idiots who paid me made a mistake?

    • @Vince-lq3ve
      @Vince-lq3ve 2 роки тому +1

      That was my first reaction, but then I thought...this ain't $6.00 It's $345,000 -yikes! So how did that conversation go? Phil's Accounting Firm: "Um, we paid you $345,000 too much by mistake" Pheonix Horns: "go f$%^ yourself". So did Phil sue or did the accounting firm sue? Imagine the accounting firm going to Phil: "we made an error and we think you should pay for it" Phil: "Go f$%^ yourself" So I've taken Phil off the hook with this one.

  • @noelofficiallyoffice8580
    @noelofficiallyoffice8580 2 роки тому

    This is common knowledge and not "untold"

  • @ericpiazzi3444
    @ericpiazzi3444 2 роки тому +4

    When Steve Hackett left, the creative genius of Genesis was done

    • @Vince-lq3ve
      @Vince-lq3ve 2 роки тому +2

      That's a stretch. No disrespect to Steve but they they rarely used any of his ideas -that's why he left. He did get to add to the songs where allowed and it was definitely effective but he didn't create. Most of the songs started from Tony Banks (that miserable but talented keyboard player). from there the rest added their magic.

    • @ScoutMotto2011
      @ScoutMotto2011 2 роки тому +1

      All due respect to SH, I do not agree. ATTWT is a fantastic album.

    • @tableface77
      @tableface77 4 місяці тому

      @@Vince-lq3ve A lot of his later ideas were rejected yes, but that doesn't mean he didn't still didn't contribute a fair bit. He just wanted more than they (well.. Tony) would allow him. I understand the final straw came when he wanted to record another solo album after Trick of the tail which Tony and Mike refused. In hindsight, that does seem a little unfair given that both Mike and Tony did solo albums after ATTWT, and Phil ...??! Well that's another story.
      Phil: Hey Mike and Tony, do you think I would would be allowed to put out a solo album once Duke has been released?
      Mike and Tony: Knock yourself out Phil! In fact, why not make several solo albums, earn an absolute fortune, become a household name and completely outshine Genesis from a commercial perspective in the process.

  • @SwisstedChef2018
    @SwisstedChef2018 2 роки тому +2

    "Weird" progressive rock band, Dude you know what you are talking about? This is THE prog band ever. Tony Banks, I love his music but he seems to never have any fun, he looks very stuck up, upper stiff lip, the complete opposite of Peter and definitely Phil.

    • @coolcat6303
      @coolcat6303 2 роки тому +2

      I agree that Tony looks grumpy alot but I really don’t think he has an attitude problem. He’s just a really serious guy is all.

    • @Vince-lq3ve
      @Vince-lq3ve 2 роки тому

      @@coolcat6303 Love the band but Tony is desperate for recognition on any interview that you watch him. But he is a brilliant songwriter.

  • @Wyndy57
    @Wyndy57 Рік тому +1

    💙Phil had been drumming since he was 3 YEARS OLD!!🥁 Just because he did some pantomime and 1 play "Oliver" when he was a lad in school, it DID NOT make him an "actor turned drummer"!!! PUUUHHLEEASE!!🙄😖😤😠👎

  • @marco69tits
    @marco69tits 2 роки тому +1

    The untold truth in this video.You don't know much about Genesis is the truth.Untold.Missing out Steve Hackett! Go away and talk about something you know.

  • @memyopinionsche6610
    @memyopinionsche6610 2 роки тому +1

    And the darkest Genesis songs..
    Tonight tonight tonight mama and no son of mine.
    And goofiest and cringiest Genesis song.
    Illegal alien... Can't defend it.
    even though I do like it..
    Didn't age well.. especially for the video..
    Starts grabbing the collar of his shirt.
    YIKES....

  • @michelcamino6290
    @michelcamino6290 2 роки тому

    Nursery Cryme

  • @souldreamer9056
    @souldreamer9056 Рік тому

    How is this “The unknown truth of Genesis”??? Such clickbait. A more honest title would be “generic Genesis knowledge that any kid with an interest in rock already knows”.

  • @jamesnicholson7221
    @jamesnicholson7221 2 роки тому

    4_16__ The 'truth' about Genesis? well, it's about those with coin (Banks, Rutherford, Collins) vs. those who 'don't have coin'__Anthony Phillips__Gabriel possibly. To quote Phil: Genesis is dead. You can splash all the trio pics from 1978 all you want..I don't think Collins is going to belt out Follow You Follow Me anymore

  • @dapliff
    @dapliff 2 роки тому +1

    Worst genesis bio ever…nothing about Steve Hackett…

  • @antoniss1994
    @antoniss1994 2 роки тому +4

    First

  • @dabsafe
    @dabsafe 2 роки тому

    Two untold truths about Genesis: 1) they sucked after Peter Gabriel left the band, 2) Phil Collins will always suck

  • @scottburns2600
    @scottburns2600 7 місяців тому

    Their story has been told over and over now. Nice try

  • @jamesnicholson7221
    @jamesnicholson7221 2 роки тому

    I just viewed this vid at 0:23. yuck. Charterhouse/Hogwarts millenials..all Jazzed at the thought of 'oh wow. The dudes who wrote 'Thats' All' went to my School! Can I mix their music with Jay-Z? No offense, but smiling youth..I just think of as privleged pigs in shit. The copy & paste generation

  • @bent2
    @bent2 2 роки тому +6

    Credits due. Steve Hackett and Anthony Phillips always stayed true to the Prog and Classical music. Phillips even more so. He still makes music in the vein of the Trespass-era. The rest makes bland and boring music.

    • @coolcat6303
      @coolcat6303 2 роки тому +1

      If that last part were really true, how do you explain Genesis’ overwhelming success in the post Gabriel era? Nothing wrong with Prog but the band needed to change to stay relevant and survive.

    • @kingblondie7075
      @kingblondie7075 2 роки тому

      Just saw Hackett play Seconds Out a few nights ago. 72 and he's going strong. Wonderful show.

    • @bent2
      @bent2 2 роки тому

      @@coolcat6303 being succesfull dosen't mean the music is top notch. The Mama album is the last one that I can tolerate. The last two with Phil is unbearable. Woof

  • @roxannemoser
    @roxannemoser 2 роки тому +3

    Phil Collins lost me with the Supremes cover he did, and how bad he played for Zeppelin at Live Aid.

    • @ohnobro1424
      @ohnobro1424 2 роки тому +5

      Literally everyone in Led Zeppelin played bad in that show. The whole thing was a fucking mess 😂

    • @leesashriber5097
      @leesashriber5097 2 роки тому +3

      I was at Live Aid and he flew from across the pond to the U.S. ( only musician to do so) he sang Against All Odds. He didn't play bad at Live Aid at all!! You are entitled to your opinion. Have a blessed day. 😊

    • @meyerj75
      @meyerj75 2 роки тому

      That was the reason why I hated Live Aid. Why didn't they hire the drummer from Spinal Tap to play drums for Led Zeppelin?

    • @WintersWar
      @WintersWar 2 роки тому +3

      @@leesashriber5097 I was there in Phila at Live Aid, I witnessed the crowd go bananas when they realized Collins was drumming for clapton when his face came on the jumbo screen.

    • @leesashriber5097
      @leesashriber5097 2 роки тому +1

      @@WintersWar , wasn't it great? How many people can share our memories!? Have a great day 😊

  • @captainmorgan1107
    @captainmorgan1107 2 роки тому +3

    Genesis in the Peter Gabriel years was excellent. Nursery Crymes, Foxtrot, Lamb were awesome albums. The only decent album after Gabriel left was Trick of the Tail, after that they totally sucked ass.

    • @stevenhollingsworth733
      @stevenhollingsworth733 2 роки тому +1

      Wind and weathering and then there were three are dam good.

    • @clouddog2393
      @clouddog2393 2 роки тому +3

      Agree but l thought " Wind and Wuthering " and " Then there were three " were good but then like you l jumped ship when they started doing that bland pop b.s. A great prog band once . At least Hackett is still out there playing the classics .

    • @stevenhollingsworth733
      @stevenhollingsworth733 2 роки тому +1

      @@clouddog2393 when Steve left that was about the end of it for me. I saw them on the wind and weathering tour and had to work my way backwards through their albums. They're all good but my favorite is trick of the tail .

    • @meyerj75
      @meyerj75 2 роки тому +3

      Don't forget "Selling England By The Pound".

    • @rockyyayo3620
      @rockyyayo3620 2 роки тому

      They can't dance,but they can suck

  • @tobinstaggsrocker2851
    @tobinstaggsrocker2851 Рік тому

    Ray Wilson tried ok it didn’t give him a chance to do his best in Genesis everyone forgets that they had a 3rd lead singer love both Gabriel and Collins I love them both it’s hard to choose between both guys but giving Wilson a chance didn’t really happen and it wasn’t the greatest but again he tried.