Finally, the Canon 1dx III Real World Sports Photography Review - at the NFL Playoffs!
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2020
- Peter completes Part II of his Canon 1dx Mark III review as a professional sports shooter; not a pixel peeper. He offers his thoughts on what he likes and is excited about
Peter Read Miller has been photographing athletes, events and the sporting life for more than 40 years. He is has worked as a staff and contract photographer for Sports Illustrated for more than 35 years. His images have appeared on over 100 Sports Illustrated covers.
His editorial clients have included: Time, Life, People, Money, The Associated Press, Playboy, Runner’s World, Newsweek, USA Weekend and The New York Times. In addition to covering 9 Olympic Games and 40 Super Bowls, Peter has shot 14 NBA Finals. He has covered the Stanley Cup Finals, the World Series, the Kentucky Derby, the NCAA Basketball Final Four, and the Men’s and Women’s World Cup Soccer Finals.
Peter's workshops involve major sports such as the Tennessee Volunteers, and much more, all with top of the line cameras and lenses by Canon USA. The workshop is sponsored by Canon, Western Digital, ThinkTank, Dynalite and Hoodman. www.peterreadmiller.com/
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Finally a real world review by someone that actually shoots what the camera is made for. Thanks Peter.
Finally a real world review by a photographer sponsored by Canon ( he is on of Canon's Explorers of Light! ) Do'h!
@@nolaPIC ok mood killer. Jeez!
Levi Kanewske no way
If we can impress a pro like Peter Read Miller with the new EOS-1D X Mark III, we'll consider that a decisive victory! Glad to have you on #TeamCanon, Peter!
CanonUSA when is the camera available! I want to know!! Thanks
Hey Canon, want to try to impress a small, part-time pro who shoots LOTS of high-school sports with a new EOS-1D X Mark III?
Real photographer in real world... not a boring tech reviewer...
Thank you. Couldn't have said it any better.
Real photographer that gets paid to take the same pictures every weekend. Photography is art, and it can be a job as long as the photographer is still expressing themselves artistically...
Astral'o Pithecus Stick to what you know.
@@mrg6424 I wouldn't stick to something I didn't know. I'm not actually scared of the unknown. You might consider sports photography a form of art, but I'm sure over 99% of the population does not. Hopefully there are newspapers and magazines that buy such photos at high prices to illustrate their boring pieces...and I'm not being ironical. There's nothing wrong with work of any kind, I just don't see why there's so much passion about men playing a game...if they actually play...
But what do I know. I haven't watched sports since I was 16 years old...
Astral'o Pithecus If the end result of a photograph is boring, it’s usually a reflection of the photographer. Sports journalism, can be as artistic as any other form of photography. But as it’s often presented in publications, there is a lot of monotony, especially since the focus these days is more about the speed of which things get to be published, and less about the quality work. To see more of the art you have to find the right photographer, and see their personal selections in their portfolios.
Consistently the best real world information about cameras and lenses I’ve found. You concisely described a pro’s super camera. Thanks.
Thanks Peter. I have been waiting all week for this!!!!!!!
Great job as always, Peter.
Thank you for this Peter!
THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR!!!!!
Thank you, Peter.
Wow! nice info!!!!
Nice review! Great to hear Canon has closed the gap in regards to autofocus vs the Sony A9....might come back if the pro mirrorless version that is said to be in the works is as good.
Peter, Pleased to see you have joined the ranks of us older shooters, in that you shot this entire game standing. After years and years of shooting, the knees just tend to get tired. Plus football, like other field sports (soccer, baseball, basketball, etc) is a picnic compared to trudging long glass on a golf course.
Yes, I shot the game standing, but I haven’t given up on keeling-nest season hopefully.
Thank you for the review of the Canon 1Dx3. I am afraid I will have to wait some time before upgrading from my 1Dx's, but it looks like an amazing camera. One question on your images. I noticed most of your images were shot with the histogram shift more to the left and a little darker than what I would shoot in those conditions. Is this typically how you would set your exposure and if so, can you explain how this helps?
Thank you Peter and thank you GFcrew for putting a real world review for the 1dx iii
I'm psych'd about this. I can't replace my two 1Dx's at once, but this will increase the keeper rate and the fun factor based on this review if I go one at a time.
1DX IIs, 1DX's and 1DIV all-around the world are changing hands. My son is shooting my 7DII and eyeing my 1DX hoping I'll upgrade.
Great review and demonstration! We’re you shooting JPEG at that speed or RAW files? Thanks
Awesome video. I dont think I noticed even one frame in those sequences where it missed. I would be interested to see if the dual pixel af in the live view was as accurate.
in single shot mode dual pixel af is more accurate and precise. i have to search for it but can provide a link if desired.
How does the new AF-ON focusing spot button affect back button focusing?
Great review Peter, thank you. I’m very interested to know if the mk iii suffers from the same issues with the mk i and ii with the oil spatter on the sensor (all 3 of my mk iis suffered from this). I’d hope this issue doesn’t occur in the 3rd iteration of the flagship DSLR.
The oil splatter wasn't something that all 1dx mark ii had. I know it didn't happen to me even once. Might have just been a bad production cycle which you unfortunately got.
Hello Peter. I watched this review 1 year ago and yoday. Can you suggest R6 instead or still 1Dx Iii? And main reason for either of them you think of.
I was at this game 😩 any tips on how to get into the world of being on those nfl sidelines?
This is what I wanted to hear...from someone who actually uses this type of body...no shill. Thank you for this. It’s your move now NIKON...
Can anyone tell me if the situations with the distractions crossing the player are also successful with the 1Dx Mark II? I’m honestly moving up from a 1D Mark IV and need to make a decision soon. I shoot a lot of low light indoor stuff and wildlife
Case 5 is for more erratic movement. With my 1Dx2, I find it useful for figure skating. I use Case 4 for football and basketball, but believe that Case 5 has improved my keeper rate with figure skating. Peter noted how the 1Dx3 followed a player while running and jumping in celebration. Now imaging the speed of skater suddenly catapulting upward while rotating in the air. I think this is where Case 5 helps. Still, I must assume that the new AF improvements in the 1Dx3 no longer requires a separate Case mode to support this type of erratic movement. Peter, thanks for the review. I would love to see a real world review from the baseline of basketball game.
Garth Scholten hey Garth. I do indoor dog sports photography with dogs jumping over hurdles in lanes (called flyball). I also shoot them straight on running at me. Do you know what case might be best for shooting the dogs from the front and the sides? Custom one also? I know you probably never shot this type of sport but what do you think? I’m moving up from a 1d mark Iv to a new one and debating the II versus III thanks
@@MrGflan I haven't seen the 1Dx3 yet so I can't recommend any setting specific to it. For the 1Dx2, I would try Case 4, maybe Case 5. I use Case 4 for basketball and I would think that it will work well for the dogs. Now, if the dogs were jumping for Frisbees, maybe Case 5. I am assuming that you want to lock on to a dog and track it without the tail of another dog suddenly grabbing the focus. I would also recommend single-point focus with 4-corner expansion. (I found that 8-point expansion tends to find the background too often while tracking.)
The biggest challenge that you may face is finding something of contrast on the dog to lock focus on, especially if the lighting is poor. I can imagine that a black lab would be more of a challenge than a white and brown collie. I shoot a lot of basketball at 1/800, f2.8 at ISO 6400-8000. On rare occasions, I can shoot at 1/1000, f4, at ISO 4000. The difference between the two isn't limited to noise. When there's more light, it's easier lock and track focus. I get twice the keepers in gyms that allow ISO 4000 over those at 6400-8000. (I would love to see pros review the 1Dx3 in a high school gym without the benefit of NBA lighting.)
As for which body, the 1Dx3 would be my first choice. But pricing on the 1Dx2 is very attractive. You need to decide if you shoot enough to make the extra cost of the 1Dx3 worth it for your need. The more time that you invest if shooting, the more valuable the 1Dx3 could be if it increases your keeper rate or reduces post processing work.
Garth Scholten thanks so much!! I just purchased a very clean low shutter original 1Dx. My goal is to use this camera for the tournaments I’m doing and eventually make the huge jump to a mark III when it’s out. I appreciate your feedback. I’ll try the focus point and expanded 4 points you mentioned. Do you think it prioritizes the main point so I shouldn’t miss the eye of the dog, right? I know a lot of it is practice also, and I’m moving up from my 1D mark IV. I did have a 5D Mark III at one time so I’m a bit familiar with the cases, but honestly they always made me nervous. I was always worried about changing too many things. I’ll try case 4 and the small surround you mentioned. Do you think customizing case 4 to a lower tracking sensitivity is necessary? Dogs are running at me and leaping over hurdles so there is a bit of up and down also. The other scenario I should have mentioned is them running and hitting a box with their feet and springing off. Please look up Flyball on UA-cam and you can see what I shoot. It’s a lot of fun. I usually sit on the sidelines or way down lane and get them head on. I would love a little more feedback if you can check out what flyball looks like since these are the only sports I’ve ever shot successfully besides birds in flight, which I’ve been doing for years. Thanks!
@@MrGflan I'm glad I watched UA-cam video of Flyball. I had anticipated more of an agility event. Those dogs move! I have a German Shepherd and understand the challenges of photographing her at speed.
I would start with Case 4 using the defaults. Given the speed that the dogs generate, it is going to be tough locking in on the eye. If there is enough light, it would be ideal to use f4, 1/1000-1/2000, at ISO 3200. ISO 6400 would by my max, but I would fear some loss of detail in the hair with noise at this ISO. Be sure to expose to the right -- set your Highlight Alert on and set exposure 1/3-2/3 stop below the point of blowing out highlights on white surfaces.
If necessary open the aperture to f2.8 before dropping the shutter below 1/1000. But, if you are pushing your comfort level for DOF and shutter speed, 12FPS burst is your friend. If shooting from the side, pan with the dog and burst while still panning. Keep in mind that focus tracking is a predictive mode where the AF system measures activity and predicts where the subject will by when the shutter trips. It helps to activate the AF before tripping the shutter. But, it is sometimes necessary to release the AF button and reactivate it while tracking a subject if things don't look crisp in the view finder.
When using single-point with expansion points, the system will bias toward the single point when you first activate the AF and rely on the expansion points to keep focus if you can't keep the main point on target.
Practice, practice, practice. If possible shoot a practice event and experiment with settings and technique. Then experiment. Until you are confident with settings and technique that works, experiment so you don't put all your eggs in the same settings basket....then experiment some more.
One of the things that I love about the 1Dx (original or Mark II) is the ease with which I can toggle between M, C1, C2, and C3. I start with setting AF and exposure settings for a grab shot using M (Manual) mode, then copy this to C1, C2, and C3. Enable Auto Update for Shooting Mode so that it remembers any changes that you make while in a custom mode. Use Restrict Shooting Modes to disable the modes that you don't need for a given shoot. I most often disable all but M and C1. Make sure that the M-Fn button is set to C (switch to custom shooting mode).
Now you can set M to one option for AF and exposure settings and C1 to a second option. Then you can quickly toggle between these two without moving your eye from the viewfinder. I often set C1 for action with a faster shutter speed and wide open aperture, then set M for a little more DOF with a slower shutter speed and smaller aperture. Sometimes I set M to a very slow shutter speed so I can quickly experiment with slow motion blur. One tip, I often set C1 to single-point, 4-corner-expansion for action and M to something else so that is easy to spot which mode I'm in from the viewfinder.
Enjoy your 1Dx!!
What program is that you are using on the computer
Action Sport is all about Shutter Priority, but Peter is using Aperture Priority and Manual? Also seems if ISO is fixed. Great review.
We use aperture priority to achieve the fastest possible shutter speed. If the shutter starts to drop, we can pick it back up with ISO. Essentially, the soft background separating our subject is more important than the actual shutter speed, provided that the shutter speed is at least fast enough to freeze the action. In that sense, whether the shutter is 1/2000 or 1/4000 doesn't matter but the background remains as perfect as possible. We have other videos on the channel on this exact subject.
I see that you went from aperture priority to manual. Why the change? Also, what are your thoughts on Auto ISO?
newnatsfan I shoot aperture priority and keep my eye on the ISO until full dark. At that point there is only one exposure and the uniform colors and dark background can through any auto exposure off. I’m not a fan of auto ISO. Can’t say any particular reason. Just old school I guess.
Is the shutter on the 1DX III quieter when you use it in continuous mode than the 1DX II? I know the 1DX II is pretty loud as far as the shutter noise.
The difference is like night and day. Shot a wedding ,it was barely noticeable.
Thanks, PRM. Regarding raw and the massive raw buffer: Was Reuter’s alone a couple years back in not accepting raw files from its photographers anymore? I know that the Chicago Tribune doesn’t have its photographers shoot raw anymore, not in a long time, actually.
Anthony C I think most photographers would shot raw+jpeg. On this camera there is no reason not to.
AP Images does not usually ask for RAW except they do for SB building graphics. I always shot RAW’s at SI, but I slacked off a bit at AP. Now it’s no problem-except for storage and I am fortunate to have Western Digital in my corner on that.
Depending on the Tracking Sensitivity setting, the AF will continue to target the subject and will lag despite very short interference. Of course the higher the sensitivity is set, the more instant the AF will change, and this is true for the 1DX1 and 2, including predecessors. Pretty much understood. Case 5 and 6 were for customized Case settings, at least for me.
Not a big deal on the Mark III. I am after the Mark III for better AF tracking and lower noise content at higher ISO. I have the Mark II but want to add the III to replace my 1DX. Also, what happened to the camera's rubber eyepiece in this video? Lose it or what? Ha
John Gutierrez Photography For some reason I don’t like eyepieces and I always take them
Off my cameras. Probably should have put it back on for the video.
What on earth is "Jube"? Thanks. Great camera and review, but well out of my price range.
Jubilation. Stupidest thing in sports. Team is behind by 24 points with less than 2 min remaining. They get a 1st down on their own 20 yard-line and celebrate like victors.
Nice review. What lens were you using?
Looking at the exif in PM it appears to be a 400 f/2.8 with a 1.4 on it. Don't know which versions but I'll assume the most recent.
@@aaroncollins5188 Thank you for the reply.
Do you think the face detect would work for a low light high school football game?
Maybe, but I’m sure the “Nead detect” would.
That’s “ Head Detect”
Does anyone know which retailer is most likely to fulfill orders most quickly?
OC PhotoPro my experience is that Canon makes sure every dealer gets some product at the same time. Obviously the big guys like B&H and Adorama will get more, but they’ll have more preorders. You might try Roberts in Indianapolis. Ask for Jody. Also don’t forget Amazon-they sell a lot of cameras. Good luck!
Funny is I finally went from 6d to first 1dx from 2012. Even if its 3 gen older its an amazing camera and they are cheap.
Who's dog is that in the background?!? :)
How about video ? Any. Improvements ? Better than 1DX Mark ll ?
Video is the biggest improv. Waste of time as it’s a sports camera, but yes, it’s improved.
Mr G Most of my photography and videography is aviation. Do you think it will be a good choice ? Also sometimes I need to do videos as well
I think it would be an excellent choice.
On Sports Photography with Peter Read Miller Thank you Peter
ISO 4000 is clearer than my 7D Mark I's 800 ISO... kinda more important than fps o.0
Are going to upgrade your cameras?
Preston Moore Yes!
I don't need Live View for my Wildlife work. Also basically no video. Then the 1DX Mark III is just a marginal update of the 1DX Mark II. Because also the buffer on the 1DX Mark II is not a limiter for my work. A limiter is the resolution an here the 1DX Mark III does not improve anything. Result: of no interest for me. I stick with the 1DX Mark II and wait on the mirrorless professional camera from Canon.
I love this review. Outstanding for sports photographers.
I am also OK with happy Jimmy this game as long as we get SAD Jimmy in the Super Bowl. #ChiefsKingdom
And the eye cup still falls off?
🤣🤣🤣
globalimage No, I took it off.
I would have liked to see the raw files, not jpegs.
Most working sports photographers shoot in jpeg, they don't even wait till the game is over they upload at various points during the game
@@TheBacontarian Yes i know this, its just nice to determine IQ by comparing raw files before any in-camera processing is applied. Jpegs look good tho!
Sony α9 II - just sayin'
M Bo Just wait-just sayin’
1. youre a Canon ambassador..... 2. if it was ACTUALLY a "game changer" which it is not....it would radically improve your hit rate on the sidelines, but of course it does NOT,...your skills of course trump any "new improved" camera.
Hello Angry Photographer
Great camera rubbish sport
I understand the use of DSLRs and super tele lenses for wildlife, astrophotography and so on, but sports? Enjoy your job as much as you can because it's not going to last for long, we'll have AI in a few years taking pictures of players in the same poses, doing the same things over and over again. Learn how to shoot art, or at least become a journalistic photographer...
You talk out of your ass for a living I see. Please direct to this “art” of yours you speak of.
@@mrg6424 Oh no...I'm a fucking parasite (student) with the dream of becoming an independent film director. But as critics and philosophers have argued for thousands of years: Art and the artist are nothing without their audience. Hence, since I'm regularly part of the audience in various forms of art, I believe myself to be a good judge of what is "good" art, and if something is art at all...
I recently wrote an essay on this subject, but it's in my native language. In short, I elaborate on how there is no way to measure or judge if art is good or not (that's why I used parentheses above). We are blessed, but also cursed with subjective tastes that are often very different from those of the next person.
I might despise hiphop and trap music, or hate action flicks and cheesy comedies, but I don't have the right to judge such art, as long as I don't understand it. The real goal of a critic is to judge if something is truly art or not. If it was made with passion and dedication, if the creator was lazy or impatient.
Ultimately, the best and most popular case of art not being art is what we call commercial "art". Films, Songs, Videogames, Photos or whatever piece that is actually made with profit in mind. Creators and crews that make art based on scientific data and studies, box office projections and focus groups. People that use cheap tricks and gimmicks to have success and earn a profit. e.g Action movies with car chases and gunfights but without a shred of character or story; neverending sequels and TV series. Songs with a catchy, repurposed tune and stupid words that make no sense...obviously accompanies by perverted music videos full of semi nude girls, and money, and luxury cars, and guns.
I applied the same logic to sports photography. And I'd do the same to tabloid/paparazzi photography...
Take care mate.