A size large weights about 13,3 kg with a dropper. The problem with the gearshiftning on the H30 is not the Sunrace cassette, but it is the gear-cabel. The gearwire (not the outer-cabel) shall be changed to a 1,1mm wire. Then the slx-sunrace combo works very well.
Thank you for taking the time to produce this excellent, and very informative video. I just got back from putting money down on this bike for my daughter and now I feel 100% better knowing all this specific information you provided. Especially about the rear shock/frame info! And what to replace immediately ...pads and rear cassette. This will greatly improve our first trip on her first ride!
I have the H20 for about half a year now and I'm super happy with it...... Just a comment for you (and maybe others...): there are bottle-holders where you can take the bottle sideways... so you can easily put in 2 bottles (1 normal size and 1 smaller size under the damper)... btw.... nice video :)
I have Orbea H30 from 2018 or 2019. But it has 140mm suspension. I've bee riding that bike in swiss alps on very rough terrain. I'm not an expert but it's great for that..
I used to have a full Shimano Deore drivetrian... Then, I converted to a 1×10 using a blackspire chainring and a Sunrace MX3 cassette and Shimano chain... I was a little bit difficult to setup the limit screws on the derailleur, but once done, the Sunrace cassette has been shifting as well as the Shimano... 🚲
Why never riding dropper posts? These things are absolutely amazing and are really helpful on descents, why keeping a fixed seatpost for saving 300g when getting one will let you smash any descent?
Thank's for the clear words. I am currently searching a new fully XC Bike and had that one in mind (more expensive version for 3000€, H10). I guess I am that one serving that niche ;). Anyway the bike looks really good and a friend of mine who owns the Occcam told me that the build quality is really decent. However the dealbreaker for this specific version would be the "gearbox" - shifting should always be fluid and fast, absolute no go on this version! The other bike I had in mind was the ROSE Thrill Hill. In the past you had the Count Solo for testing...what about the Thrill Hill for the future? ;) One final word about the bottlecage: Have you tried the fidlock system? Works really good on my bike, looks very clean and safes space in cramped frames. Keep up the good content and see you next time.
Thank you for the review. Can we have a video with your tough's about the new GHOST Lector frame? the geometry is the most innovative in XC racing today!
Used A shimano Cassette and got aweful time with speed ratio jumps - until i went for Sunrace (csmx8) - paired with my Full XT M8000 drivetrain (new chainring upfront + New chain) = 2500km on this setup - performs better than sram's drive train on my Trail bike (which is twice as pricy btw)
I had this one too and I haven't noticed it was Sunrace, until I checked the specs before reviewing the bike. 12 speed drivetrain seems to be a different beast.
Man, great video.!! I am in love with that bike, I’m planning to start the research to buy me one ASAP…. But you said $2600… where ? Is that 2020 or 2021 model? Thanks.
That orbea oiz is simply amazing!! Welds are simply invisible, I thought that it was carbon front triangle and alluminium rear triangle, but if it's fully alluminium is amazing! The main issue with this bike is the weight in order to use it for races, but with a few upgrades I think that it can be transoformed in a pure race machine but the frame weight will always be the limit. The main upgrade for a full suspension bike for me are: 3 position suspension tuning and a good pair of wheel (possibly with carbon rims), all the rest is about the rider, if the rider is strong enough to push a good amount of watts the full suspension will always be the best option for him. PS: Danny I saw that you're using a bryton computer how does it perform? I saw online that it has a lot of problem with the application.
kochevnik.com.ua i swapped my slx cassette for a 11-46 sunrace cassette because of the lower weight and noticed no change in shifting performance (XT derailleur 11 speed)
hello sickbiker, I wanted to know how tall are you and at what saddle height pedals and how you feel yourself with the frame in size M. I tried a size L but I was left doubtful between M and L , I am 178cm tall , 73 saddle height.
My girlfriend bought a new Superior 12 speed slx with sunrace cassete and it also does not work perfectly, I had a lot fiddling with it to be acceptable to ride.
I bought this bike and i love it but shifting still shitty compared to my SRAM NX drive train on my hardtail. NX has also Shimano free hub, can i put NX cassette and chain on it with SLX rear derailleur? ?
I have been looking at a 2020 Team with full XTR 100/100, fresh build, only 21.1 pounds, top end build, price is 7 grand USD and new is 8 grand. Also has that beautiful blue custom paint, also has the XRC wheels and no dropper
@@larsborgman3443 Because the rear shock pivot linkage will want to work in an arc motion and the rear triangle, actually a 'V' is fixed and the the arc of the pivot will try to open up the 'V' member (fixed chain stay/ seat stay). I'm tipping it will break on the seat stay near the rear axle.
@@kochevnik_vn What like Norco. Cost me $200 for a new rear swing arm only 2 years old. Cracked through weep hole. I noticed they change the design on my paid replacement. It was an obvious design failure. I'll have second thoughts about buying or recommending Norco and looking at that model of Orbea don't think I'll go down that path either.
Great revieww !! this bike is made thinking in spanish market. spain riders love xc bikes over trail bikes..included full suspension bikes. not the same at european or USA people. Is curios but is the reallity. Here on spain not too much Ocam.. Orbea needs make a 2000/ 2300 xc full suspension bike for the spanish consumers. In this price point is imposible carbon frame, and obiosly the bike weight more...here in Spain is a best seller..
I was thinking of changing the cassette to a Shimano SLX CS-M7100-12, but the Orbea store I bought it from tells me that's not compatible with the wheel -- I had no other explanations however, I suspect this has to do with the freehub body... Did you manage to do this?
Hey, i've had mine 3 weeks and the gear changing is terrible, mine won't even go from 4th to 5th and jumps 4th to 6th, im looking to change cassette aswell, did you get an answer?
@@mightysoc no I didn't... The guy at the store confirms this has to do with the free wheel hub, but says he can't do the change unless I change the whole wheel... Sounds à bit too much to me.
So, I've had a chat with Orbea directly -- they answer very fast by the way. They confirm I'll have to change the freewheel hub if I want to switch to a 10/51 SLX or XT cassette (spline techno). Given I can't find a freewheel hub that will fit the mach1 wheel, I'm kind of screwed...
@Logan Mcnulty For trails it will be excellent. For jumps certainly not good tho. If you want a great all rounder go for the Occam model (from Orbea) and choose the 150mm fork and suspension pack, otherwise, if you want to get an Orbea bike of course, get a Rallon which is a proper enduro bike
In my opinion you didn't catch the purpose of this bike. There are a lot of riders who are XC oriented, but they have low riding skills. This riders usually looking for a bike easier than an hardtail but at the same time it must have hardtail features (angles, posture, climb oriented...) In the end, alloy frame isn't made for racers, but for peopled that on't mind the Kgs and want save money having great experience ..
Totally agree. I've just bought an Oiz because I'm an older rider (low skill, low bravery) who rides mainly XC but wants the ability to do the occasional local trails. My 15 year old hardtail was leading to far too many crashes, and I don't heal as well these days LOL. Also, I don't see the obsession with weight because most XC riders have a 5kg bag on our backs anyway! The Oiz will still be way more capable than this rider, regardless of terrain.
I have a H30 and the long term review is that it is a very good bike. The squidlock-system works very well and fast (closed, halfclosed and open suspension). The wheel rolls okay and doesnt feel as heavy as they are... So very good bike that need another gearwire to perform the best it can.
Shortcut Ronny hi. I would like to get more details about this topic. In your opinion the cassette is not the problem just the cable from shifter? How tonfix? Just replace for another one? And if I would like to replace the cassette. A new freehub is required?
Daniel Neves Guardieiro The shifter cable is indeed very simple to replace yes. And the wheel comes with a standard old freewheel body, that is why the suntour cheaper 11 smallest cog cassette was used. Really sad they did not use the wheel with the new microspline FH body. If the hub manufacturer provided a replacement free hub body, you could very simply replace it. This way, you are probably looking at either a new wheel, or relacing this wheel with a different hub that uses microspline. So the options are sell this cheap wheel set and buy a better one with microspline, or relace the wheel. Bear in mind you might need to buy new spokes as well, as the flange dimensions will not be the same. All this trouble in stead of selling 12 speed bikes with proper microspline or XDdriver rear hubs :(
SunRace cassettes are awful. I have had two of them paired with my 11 speed xt drivetrain (both 11-46). One of them had the third sproket bent during an upshift on a steep hill (after only 2 months of use) the other lasted less than 600km. I have now swichted back to the slightly more expensive xt or even slx shimano cassettes. Shifts are waaaay smother and they last a lot longer.
Never had a problem with my 11 speed sunrace and XT derailleur. Maybe downshift to 1st gear is a bit rough, but every other shift is absolutely sweet. The ratios were far better for me compared to Shimano cassettes. Maybe the 12 speed is the problem?
britshell Canyon Neuron, Merida One Twenty. Need the bike to be a do it all machine, for longer rides, gravel, light trails, not aggressive riding. But FS for rough terrain (back problems). But money is a big constraint, and that is why Specialized Epic Evo or Scott Spark are not a choice, and neither are expensive boutique brands.
@@dmalovic Before I get into it I just want to say, ride a bike on a dirt trail before you buy it. A bike might look perfect on paper but not fit you personally well once you take it out on the trail. Ok now down to business. So mostly XC but can handle a bit of rough stuff, budget about 2.5k for an FS bike. Ok, here is one you might want to try and demo the base model Kona Process 134 27.5 or 29er. It's a solid frame, fun light trail bike, and good foundation to build onto upgrading parts over time. An other one I would recommend is the Santa Cruz Tallboy AL base model. Even though it's a boutique brand the bike is about the same price as the others you are looking at. Since you are mostly XC focused this bike would be a great choice, stable, comfortable, and playful if you push it. It's a great bike to upgrade over time, as you get more into it and have a bit of spare cash. Now for the other bikes, I have never ridden a Canyon, but they have a good reputation. The Shimano hubs are a bit of a turn off, but Shimano has recently redesigned them so maybe they are better than they use to be. Looking at the Merida, no, the Joytech hubs is all I had to see to say no absolutely not. The Oreba, I think you can do better, Unless you have demoed it and fell in love with the ride, I would not recommend it. Nothing specific, something fells off about it. Anyway that is my 2 cents.
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A size large weights about 13,3 kg with a dropper.
The problem with the gearshiftning on the H30 is not the Sunrace cassette, but it is the gear-cabel. The gearwire (not the outer-cabel) shall be changed to a 1,1mm wire. Then the slx-sunrace combo works very well.
I really enjoy your videos, you're the best bike channel.
Thank you for taking the time to produce this excellent, and very informative video. I just got back from putting money down on this bike for my daughter and now I feel 100% better knowing all this specific information you provided. Especially about the rear shock/frame info! And what to replace immediately ...pads and rear cassette. This will greatly improve our first trip on her first ride!
An excellent review video! Your comments and opinions were concise and very informative. Well done sir!
I have the H20 for about half a year now and I'm super happy with it...... Just a comment for you (and maybe others...): there are bottle-holders where you can take the bottle sideways... so you can easily put in 2 bottles (1 normal size and 1 smaller size under the damper)... btw.... nice video :)
I have Orbea H30 from 2018 or 2019. But it has 140mm suspension. I've bee riding that bike in swiss alps on very rough terrain. I'm not an expert but it's great for that..
On their site the H30 now has "Shimano Deore M6100 10-51t 12-Speed", I think they noticed
I used to have a full Shimano Deore drivetrian... Then, I converted to a 1×10 using a blackspire chainring and a Sunrace MX3 cassette and Shimano chain... I was a little bit difficult to setup the limit screws on the derailleur, but once done, the Sunrace cassette has been shifting as well as the Shimano... 🚲
Why never riding dropper posts? These things are absolutely amazing and are really helpful on descents, why keeping a fixed seatpost for saving 300g when getting one will let you smash any descent?
where you can climb with high seatpost position, there you have to descent also with high seatpost, (for sure in XC )
I do prefer dropper seatposts.
@@endremajos2566 They've been going to XC with droppers for a long time.
Thank's for the clear words. I am currently searching a new fully XC Bike and had that one in mind (more expensive version for 3000€, H10). I guess I am that one serving that niche ;).
Anyway the bike looks really good and a friend of mine who owns the Occcam told me that the build quality is really decent. However the dealbreaker for this specific version would be the "gearbox" - shifting should always be fluid and fast, absolute no go on this version!
The other bike I had in mind was the ROSE Thrill Hill. In the past you had the Count Solo for testing...what about the Thrill Hill for the future? ;)
One final word about the bottlecage: Have you tried the fidlock system? Works really good on my bike, looks very clean and safes space in cramped frames.
Keep up the good content and see you next time.
Thank you for the review. Can we have a video with your tough's about the new GHOST Lector frame? the geometry is the most innovative in XC racing today!
I'll make it this afternoon for you, on the e-sickbiker channel.
Used A shimano Cassette and got aweful time with speed ratio jumps - until i went for Sunrace (csmx8) - paired with my Full XT M8000 drivetrain (new chainring upfront + New chain) = 2500km on this setup - performs better than sram's drive train on my Trail bike (which is twice as pricy btw)
I had this one too and I haven't noticed it was Sunrace, until I checked the specs before reviewing the bike. 12 speed drivetrain seems to be a different beast.
If you put a rigid fork on a suspended frame, we can have another type :D
Hardhead
Haha
Man, great video.!!
I am in love with that bike, I’m planning to start the research to buy me one ASAP…. But you said $2600… where ?
Is that 2020 or 2021 model?
Thanks.
Never had an issue with sunrace cassette but always used a higher end kmc chain on them.
I also had the 11 speed Sunrace cassettes on some of my bikes (+ Shimano derailleur and chain), with no problems. This one simply doesn't work.
@@cannondany What was the largest oval chainring that can fit this bike?
That orbea oiz is simply amazing!! Welds are simply invisible, I thought that it was carbon front triangle and alluminium rear triangle, but if it's fully alluminium is amazing!
The main issue with this bike is the weight in order to use it for races, but with a few upgrades I think that it can be transoformed in a pure race machine but the frame weight will always be the limit.
The main upgrade for a full suspension bike for me are: 3 position suspension tuning and a good pair of wheel (possibly with carbon rims), all the rest is about the rider, if the rider is strong enough to push a good amount of watts the full suspension will always be the best option for him.
PS: Danny I saw that you're using a bryton computer how does it perform? I saw online that it has a lot of problem with the application.
I'm going to publish the Bryton computer review this week.
That is a beautiful aluminum frame. Those welds make my Santa Cruz look like a POS.
Nah Santa Cruz’s welds look pretty cool imo even though I have carbon
Which santa cruz bike do you have?
@@1911Zoey 5010. But all of their aluminum models have pretty raw/rough welds.
Awesome video. I had my suspicions about the Sunrace cassette's perfomance. Orbea Oiz H10 looks like a much better deal.
kochevnik.com.ua i swapped my slx cassette for a 11-46 sunrace cassette because of the lower weight and noticed no change in shifting performance (XT derailleur 11 speed)
hello sickbiker, I wanted to know how tall are you and at what saddle height pedals and how you feel yourself with the frame in size M. I tried a size L but I was left doubtful between M and L , I am 178cm tall , 73 saddle height.
How did you decide
Nice bike, what Bryton is that?
I have Rider 410 and it is very good device for my needs.
My girlfriend bought a new Superior 12 speed slx with sunrace cassete and it also does not work perfectly, I had a lot fiddling with it to be acceptable to ride.
I bought this bike and i love it but shifting still shitty compared to my SRAM NX drive train on my hardtail. NX has also Shimano free hub, can i put NX cassette and chain on it with SLX rear derailleur? ?
I have been looking at a 2020 Team with full XTR 100/100, fresh build, only 21.1 pounds, top end build, price is 7 grand USD and new is 8 grand. Also has that beautiful blue custom paint, also has the XRC wheels and no dropper
I'm tipping that the aluminum rear triangle will develop cracks over time.
Why
They have lifetime warranty on all frames.
@@larsborgman3443 Because the rear shock pivot linkage will want to work in an arc motion and the rear triangle, actually a 'V' is fixed and the the arc of the pivot will try to open up the 'V' member (fixed chain stay/ seat stay). I'm tipping it will break on the seat stay near the rear axle.
@@kochevnik_vn What like Norco. Cost me $200 for a new rear swing arm only 2 years old. Cracked through weep hole. I noticed they change the design on my paid replacement. It was an obvious design failure. I'll have second thoughts about buying or recommending Norco and looking at that model of Orbea don't think I'll go down that path either.
The time will show...
Please tell me which size frame for man-1m68cm? Which size M? Thanks for your answer!
Hi, what are the most powerful disco brakes brake pads?
I’m looking to buy one oiz but I’m not quite sure about the size. I’m between M and L I’m 1,81mts.
Thanks
Go for large. I have an Orbea Occam, which is much different from Oiz, I am 1.76 mts and I got a Medium. I love it but I'm on the limit for that size
Nice Review. Is it possible to mount a 36 Oval Chainring? Thanks.
Those cables sticking out is a deal breaker for me
Agree. They are too long. I have a carbon Oiz now and the cables are much shorter and thinner too.
@@cannondany can you tell me the weight of the Carbon vs the Aluminum frame?
Great revieww !! this bike is made thinking in spanish market. spain riders love xc bikes over trail bikes..included full suspension bikes. not the same at european or USA people. Is curios but is the reallity. Here on spain not too much Ocam.. Orbea needs make a 2000/ 2300 xc full suspension bike for the spanish consumers. In this price point is imposible carbon frame, and obiosly the bike weight more...here in Spain is a best seller..
I was thinking of changing the cassette to a Shimano SLX CS-M7100-12, but the Orbea store I bought it from tells me that's not compatible with the wheel -- I had no other explanations however, I suspect this has to do with the freehub body...
Did you manage to do this?
Hey, i've had mine 3 weeks and the gear changing is terrible, mine won't even go from 4th to 5th and jumps 4th to 6th, im looking to change cassette aswell, did you get an answer?
@@mightysoc no I didn't... The guy at the store confirms this has to do with the free wheel hub, but says he can't do the change unless I change the whole wheel... Sounds à bit too much to me.
So, I've had a chat with Orbea directly -- they answer very fast by the way. They confirm I'll have to change the freewheel hub if I want to switch to a 10/51 SLX or XT cassette (spline techno). Given I can't find a freewheel hub that will fit the mach1 wheel, I'm kind of screwed...
Got a link for those ceramic disco brakes?
Is this bike good for doing trails and jumps?
not.. is a xc bike .. a misil ..
@Logan Mcnulty For trails it will be excellent. For jumps certainly not good tho. If you want a great all rounder go for the Occam model (from Orbea) and choose the 150mm fork and suspension pack, otherwise, if you want to get an Orbea bike of course, get a Rallon which is a proper enduro bike
In my opinion you didn't catch the purpose of this bike.
There are a lot of riders who are XC oriented, but they have low riding skills. This riders usually looking for a bike easier than an hardtail but at the same time it must have hardtail features (angles, posture, climb oriented...)
In the end, alloy frame isn't made for racers, but for peopled that on't mind the Kgs and want save money having great experience ..
Totally agree. I've just bought an Oiz because I'm an older rider (low skill, low bravery) who rides mainly XC but wants the ability to do the occasional local trails. My 15 year old hardtail was leading to far too many crashes, and I don't heal as well these days LOL. Also, I don't see the obsession with weight because most XC riders have a 5kg bag on our backs anyway! The Oiz will still be way more capable than this rider, regardless of terrain.
Grinder and paint makes me the welder I ain’t.
Hello, a doubt, is that color matte red or is it an orange?
I think it looks smart. Much nicer than 95% of the FS bikes. What is the weight? Orbea does not want to tell.
The bike weighs around 13,4 kg.
With pedals?
Do you suggest this bike for both mtb and some (1 to 3 days) bickepacking riding? How does it behave with closed suspension? Thank you
I have a H30 and the long term review is that it is a very good bike. The squidlock-system works very well and fast (closed, halfclosed and open suspension). The wheel rolls okay and doesnt feel as heavy as they are... So very good bike that need another gearwire to perform the best it can.
Shortcut Ronny hi. I would like to get more details about this topic. In your opinion the cassette is not the problem just the cable from shifter? How tonfix? Just replace for another one? And if I would like to replace the cassette. A new freehub is required?
Daniel Neves Guardieiro The shifter cable is indeed very simple to replace yes. And the wheel comes with a standard old freewheel body, that is why the suntour cheaper 11 smallest cog cassette was used. Really sad they did not use the wheel with the new microspline FH body. If the hub manufacturer provided a replacement free hub body, you could very simply replace it. This way, you are probably looking at either a new wheel, or relacing this wheel with a different hub that uses microspline. So the options are sell this cheap wheel set and buy a better one with microspline, or relace the wheel. Bear in mind you might need to buy new spokes as well, as the flange dimensions will not be the same. All this trouble in stead of selling 12 speed bikes with proper microspline or XDdriver rear hubs :(
Thats a nice bike at a realistic price.
Very good buy for the price. Best upgrade is lighther wheels.
Yes, I would say:
1. the cassette
2. the wheelset
3. the crankset
4. carbon seatpost or a dropper
can you review the Merida XT edition 2020 I don't see a lot of reviews about that bike.
Do you mean the Ninety-Six XT?
@@cannondany it's a merida Big 9 XT edition 2020 you can check it from their website.
Baggy shorts at Danny means trail riding at least )
wow great information thanks 😎
Excuse me , Can u tell about code of paint color this bike?
The wide angle lens is so annoying. Everything looks extremly bend and out of proportion. 😩👎
hi, do you know the total weight?
thanks
About 13,3 kg for a size L with a dropper.
Whats ur height mate?
ive got the H30 occam
32 rhythm FitGrip??
Nice video mate 👍
This music makes me want to Naruto run
SunRace cassettes are awful. I have had two of them paired with my 11 speed xt drivetrain (both 11-46).
One of them had the third sproket bent during an upshift on a steep hill (after only 2 months of use) the other lasted less than 600km.
I have now swichted back to the slightly more expensive xt or even slx shimano cassettes. Shifts are waaaay smother and they last a lot longer.
Never had a problem with my 11 speed sunrace and XT derailleur. Maybe downshift to 1st gear is a bit rough, but every other shift is absolutely sweet. The ratios were far better for me compared to Shimano cassettes. Maybe the 12 speed is the problem?
Seems pretty similar to Cannondale Scalpel-SI, almost a copycat.
i want the price for 300k sub🤣🤣🤣
Orbea not orbia😂
👍👀🇭🇷
It's still an XC bike, just a bad one.
britshell would you care to elaborate. Looking into the TR H10 model
@@dmalovic What other bikes are you considering, and what kid of riding do you do?
britshell Canyon Neuron, Merida One Twenty. Need the bike to be a do it all machine, for longer rides, gravel, light trails, not aggressive riding. But FS for rough terrain (back problems). But money is a big constraint, and that is why Specialized Epic Evo or Scott Spark are not a choice, and neither are expensive boutique brands.
@@dmalovic Before I get into it I just want to say, ride a bike on a dirt trail before you buy it. A bike might look perfect on paper but not fit you personally well once you take it out on the trail. Ok now down to business. So mostly XC but can handle a bit of rough stuff, budget about 2.5k for an FS bike. Ok, here is one you might want to try and demo the base model Kona Process 134 27.5 or 29er. It's a solid frame, fun light trail bike, and good foundation to build onto upgrading parts over time. An other one I would recommend is the Santa Cruz Tallboy AL base model. Even though it's a boutique brand the bike is about the same price as the others you are looking at. Since you are mostly XC focused this bike would be a great choice, stable, comfortable, and playful if you push it. It's a great bike to upgrade over time, as you get more into it and have a bit of spare cash. Now for the other bikes, I have never ridden a Canyon, but they have a good reputation. The Shimano hubs are a bit of a turn off, but Shimano has recently redesigned them so maybe they are better than they use to be. Looking at the Merida, no, the Joytech hubs is all I had to see to say no absolutely not. The Oreba, I think you can do better, Unless you have demoed it and fell in love with the ride, I would not recommend it. Nothing specific, something fells off about it. Anyway that is my 2 cents.