SF's Millennium Tower now tilting more than ever to the west after early recovery
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Despite initial progress in the first phase of the so-called fix earlier this year, the sinking and leaning Millennium Tower in San Francisco is now tilting more to the west than ever, according to monitoring data reviewed by NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit. Jaxon Van Derbeken reports.
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I have an idea.
Relocate the Department of Building Inspection/permitting to the top floors of the Millennium Tower and insist that they work at the office and not at home.
ABSOLUTELY!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
The mayor's office can be in the penthouse.
Damn straight... and while you're at it, move the city hall, the mayor's office & governor's office too. Old daven gruesome might lean (heavily) to the left (stoopid cucking fomunist), but would have little choice to lean (for real) in an all too uncomfortable direction.
Brilliant! 🤣
Shoersa,
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿💯
It's time to start dismantling the building and everyone takes a loss.
100% what you just said is correct a million percent is correct. This is a serious liability issue do they want? What happened in iowa or in florida this is not good
@@jasontomica8938 College physics essentially teaches that the more a building leans, the more force pushes against it to lean more. This can't end well. I can't come up with a solution to make the building miraculously start leaning back the other way. If tree starts leaning more and more, the outcome is going to be very bad.
@@michaeln.2383 Maybe they should start using duct tape
@@jasontomica8938 I came up with an idea that they could use cables to tether the leaning building to another building. That might stop the building from leaning more. The cables would have to be super thick to not break if the building starts to completely fall over.
Losing a couple of millions won’t hurt ‘em.
The original design of this building used much more steel in
the construction but costed too much. The owners told the
architects to use concrete. More than doubled the mass.
The Building Dept charged a LOT of money to make sure the engineering was correct.
'costed'?
This is SF...the building is simply going thru structure reassignment surgery. It no longer identifies as a skyscraper. How about you all stop being so judgemental as the building now IDENTIFIES as a LEANING TOWER. Its pronouns are "dangerous" and "windowless".
You know you're in trouble when you arrive at the office and your boss announces that, henceforth, all coffee cups have to be set down in gimbaled cup holders.
THIS IS HOW THE MILLENNIUM TOWER HAPPENED
In mid-2004, the Department of Building Inspection took the extraordinary step of ordering construction halted on a 52-story project at 80 Natoma St. The then head of the building inspection department, Frank Y. Chiu, said in a legal declaration in October 2004 that he ordered a work stoppage in light of their experts’ warnings that the 80 Natoma St. project would sink far more than the geotechnical designers estimated.
At this point in time, The Millennium Tower is still on the drawing board and has the exact same foundation designed by the exact same geotechnical firm - Treadwell and Rollo - that designed the much lighter 80 Natoma St. project that was just shut down by the Department of Building Inspection for having an inadequate foundation. Treadwell and Rollo are now undeniably aware that their foundation as planned for the Millennium Tower is inadequate and that it will be rejected by the Department of Building Inspection so they simply did not submit it for review and let construction begin. It is of record and is undeniable.
This is what happened and it can be easily fact-checked by anybody, everything else that is being thrown around is I suspect an intentional distraction from what is a simple truth so the next question will never be asked... How was the Department of Building Inspection sidestepped?
Interesting back story info.
Interesting. Thank you !
Answer, ski boat.
Question is who in SF has the power to 'sidestep' the Dept of Building Inspec tion? Was someone paid off to let it go? Is there a document cancelling the work stoppage - and if so, who signed it?
Why did the department of building inspection not notice it being built and stop it?!?! When it was being built I was in complete shock. Given I’m a native and remember the damage of our earthquakes in the past. I had never seen a high rise this high downtown. So troubling . They can’t take it apart now… that would cost money too
How can anybody sleep at night living there or NEAR there or working near there? WOW
I get nervous just walking past it.
It's Cali
I would be scared!
@@Joe-sg9ll it’s 29 inches, not a quarter inch.
Have you ever seen that tower in Pisa? Now *that's* a leaning tower. This ain't nothing.
The design theory of using friction piles is sound, provided your soil type is conducive. It was not; and for a building which has a live load - in a seismically active zone - using friction is tantamount to negligence. Driving to bedrock was unquestionably the competent design solution that real professionals would have employed. Increasing the load by substituting a concrete skeleton instead of the original steel frame should have necessitated a change to the a bedrock foundation.
This is SF...the building is simply going thru structure reassignment surgery. It no longer identifies as a skyscraper. How about you all stop being so judgemental as the building now IDENTIFIES as a LEANING TOWER. Its pronouns are "dangerous" and "windowless".
Yeah - basic architecture design
Yikes! I'd hate to be anywhere near that! I'm no engineer, but the 'fix' sounds like too little, too late. Hope this doesn't end in catastrophic tragedy!
They didn't want to listen to an old engineer's advise from the start. Now it's time to just prepared to dismantling this time bomb.
Yep definitely
Yeah! Raze that modern garbage!
No they will keep calling it OK right up to its collapse.
THAT will never happen - not once. They'll leave it there til it falls THEN start pointing fingers.... watch.
the old engineer didn't tell them what they wanted to hear.
I could never walk in that building and not feel anxiety.
Not only that, but I don't want to be anywhere near that pile.
I wouldn't want to be within 5 blocks of that building.
If there is 6.0 earthquake,it will collapse.
You have to walk between It and the Salesforce Tower and look up . That way you can say I stood right There when the Quake of 2026 brings it down .
@@charleshoang566 If there's a strong enough wind, it will collapse.
When I walk in that direction I avoid that area all together. Everyone who lives here want's that thing gone. It's next to our transportation Hub (Which was built after and is likely part of what triggered the lean), so if that building comes down tragically, lives would be lost, it'd cripple access to the bus terminal and the financial district as a whole. It has to come down. One way or another.
My condolences go out to the people who die in this building in the future. From the building collapsing, or falling over into the middle of the Street
Likely true unfortunately
It’s Darwinian. People living in California building any structure over 2 stories high… It’s Darwinian. No empathy for mindless stupidity
Not safe
She will fall
Thunderstorm
Note to self: DO NOT GO TO SAN FRANCISCO
@@moonkey537 note to self. Never go to California
I wouldn't want to be in that in an earthquake.
I wouldn't want to be in that city, period.
It used to be a nice place to visit.
It’s gonna create an earthquake of its own
I thought about that too.
Or within the range of its debris field when it comes down.
Probably needs an earthquake to straighten it out
How log will it take for the tower to be fully horizontal?
I wouldn't go anywhere near that building.
If you think that's dangerous, try being a woman carrying a purse walking up Powell street between 7-pm and midnight.
Congratulations millennium tower for this new achievement. Gangster Lean Level 5 Unlocked!
Anti-gravity lean! Michael Jackson should sue!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
A step in the right direction would be to put in prison the developer, engineers, and public officials who approved of the MT's construction.
Reminds me of a song I learned as a little kid. The wise man built his house upon a rock…the foolish man built his house upon the sand…
And to think, all of this could have been avoided when they were originally building this tower if they just spent $3 million more and actually sunk the foundation into bedrock. But the builders cut corners and here we are! There's no way you can be confident in this fix. Imagine spending $2 million for one of these apartments. Sure, some people are rich and it's not a big deal. For others, this is their life savings, tied up into this disaster.
Unfortunately the biggest issue America faces is the urge to save on every penny possible in the name of short term profits even if it’s catastrophic not too far in the future
It’s the engineer not the builders
@@dannydinh2281 Is it? So, for example, about 20 years ago, I put a second story addition on my house, while gutting the first floor as well. Maybe when it was 90% done, the architect shows up one day to see how it was going. Long story short, he pointed out all of the areas that he could tell, just from looking at it, where my builder deviated from what he put in the plans.
Architects generally come up with plans and couldn't care less about cost, since they're not the ones paying. This Hamburger guy, he's just trying to fix the problem, one that he never created. If I had to guess (I don't know) the builder decided that he could save $3 million by not sinking the foundation into bedrock and never consulted with anyone. Considering each apartment is going for $2 million, however, it's just a terrible thing to do. These are luxury apartments.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 If memory serves, I believe the builder did consult with an engineer, but the engineer, wanting to keep his employer happy, told the builder what he wanted to hear.
Reminds me of the samsung note 7 recall. for 0.15 cents a phone they could have saved 5.3 billion.....LOL
The marbles they rolled across the tower's floors years ago represent the ones officials have clearly lost. Take it down before it's too late.
Use the tons of homeless waste all over the streets and build a big pillow for it to land on.
Just fill it with the homeless drug addict and the illegals, then let it fall.
HAHA ahh
A skyscraper held up by 18 toothpicks glued to an already cracked concrete base sitting on shifting sands: "Build back better".
With all the red tape in California, it's amazing how they could create such a mess.
A local news video was shown a number of years ago where they placed marbles on the floor and they easily rolled across the room! Can’t imagine how fast they’d roll now.
I recall that and I think the condo owners in that video were able to sell and get out. Anyone still there now is stuck unfortunately..
Just saw the marble video posted 6 years ago. crazy!
@@KA-eu9sy what's the title
It's time to start dismantling the building and everyone takes a loss.
How ironic that one of the partners of the design company is called Rollo.
They need to lock up the inspector or engineer who approved the original plans to build this building knowing they wouldn't pile down to bedrock.
San Francisco refuses to lock up violent criminals and thieves. I think the engineers don't have to worry.
It wasn’t approved by the building inspectors
the right bribes were paid
@@ericpalmer3588 Then somewhere very early in the process, a building inspector should have shown up and said, "Thou shalt tear down what you're trying to build here."
And to think all they had to do was to put the foundations down to the bedrock in the first place.
A proposed 52-story skyscraper at nearby 80 Natoma by developer Jack Myers, which would also have had a similar cast in place concrete construction, was rejected by the city's Department of Building Inspections (DBI) after an outside peer review.
The Millennium Tower received no such scrutiny, since Millennium Partners would not submit to a peer review, as that study would have potentially delayed construction by years.
(source --- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)#History) .
This is SF...the building is simply going thru structure reassignment surgery. It no longer identifies as a skyscraper. How about you all stop being so judgemental as the building now IDENTIFIES as a LEANING TOWER. Its pronouns are "dangerous" and "windowless".
The Natoma people didn't bribe the inspectors...or didn't bribe them enough. Bribes and kickbacks are how business gets done in big cities.
Send Stockman Rush over to suggest what he would do . He stated that he doesn't take chances when it comes to safety . (my kinda guy) . I bet he'd suggest a vertical thruster be installed at each corner of the foundation and offer a video game controller to all tenants so they can tilt the building to preference (while listening to "I Left My Apartment In Sand Francisco") !!
Windows Millennium, Millennium Tower, and the Millennium generation. I'm seeing a pattern developing.
Someone needs to explain to me ( 30 years as a Union Ironworker ) how a building that is leaning, reverses the lean by adding piling. What a CROCK OF BULL!!!!
stop the descent on one side, let it settle to even, then do the pilings for the other side? I helped my dad pour new steps for our house when I was nine, that's the extent of my concrete construction experience.
The pile is high when you are trying to sell pilings to save what will be a pile of rubble.
What a pile of 💩
they're talking about jacking off of the new piles, which you could do to raise the low side. this creates a major problem of it's own though, concrete does NOT deal well with tension forces. and however much you jack the low side of the building up, that's how much of an air gap you're going to create under the foundation. concrete doesn't deal well with being suspended over air gaps if it was never designed to do so. the entire weight of the foundation floor is going to be suspended off of whatever rebar they've got in there. and due to fracturing of the foundation, there's nothing protecting the rebar from water intrusion and subsequent corrosion now.
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the BuildingIntegrity channel has a good over view of this proposed fix ... and how sketchy it is.
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i would also suggest mudjacking the foundation given the shearing and damage that already exists in the basements of the tower ... but this design architect is such a shitshow that there's little chance of them fixing this effectively.
@@odnamsrazor2364 NO ONE will EVER convince me there IS a FIX! It needs to be demolished! They are in BIG BIG BIG TROUBLE and are grasping at straws when they say they have a FIX... the FIX is in alright... it has NOTHING to do with structural integrity however....
Why a building of this size never had it foundation tied to bedrock is bizarre. I am no structural engineer but even I know that the soil in SF is sandy, prone to shifting and putting a building of that mass on a slab, regardless of how thick it is, is a recipe for exactly this to happen.
There was also a huge problem with the water table because too much building was going on nearby the foundation of this building.
If its so safe confirm it by offering every one in that building home owners insurance that covers the fall. Put your $$$$ where your mouth is
Personally I really do hope it happens…it would be very progressive just like the collapse 😂😂
I heard SF was prone to earthquakes
😂
I've seen this very thing happen at an apartment building in Las Vegas back in the nineties. They eventually had to tear it down.
Ty
Old guy is saying "Well a quarter inch more lean is negligible" and thats how we got a building that has a 29" lean. Some day that building will be spread across the city and that same old guy will be saying "Well, I think it can lean just a bit more". Once you have a major disaster on your hands, its not our problem. You've had plenty of time and warnings to take it down safely.
Wow. Can't wait to hear about this building collapsing in the news... 🤦
I wouldn't go back in that building even after they say they "fixed" it.
A person's life is in far less danger being inside of that building than if they were just out walking about in that awful crime-infested city.
June 11, 2023
I remember a year ago when they boldly and with arrogance, DECLARED it was fixed!
Yea, they “declared” it lol
As an engineer, this is like changing a head gasket while the engine is running. The building needs to be disassembled and they will have to find construction workers willing to BASE jump with parachutes if this thing ends up tipping over. This is insane.
As an engineer, you should be perfectly aware that foundation underpinning is a common -albeit not ideal- practice.
Underpinning has NEVER been done at this scale and the sizes of some of the critical components are in my opinion severely undersized. Take a look that the drawings online. They are publicly available. The 1-1/2” thick bearing plates that have a 3-1/2” threaded pin going through them are incredibly small for the job they have to do and have no means of inspection after they are backfilled with concrete.
Underpinning has NEVER been done at this scale and the sizes of some of the critical components are in my opinion severely undersized. Take a look that the drawings online. They are publicly available. The 1-1/2” thick bearing plates that have a 3-1/2” threaded pin going through them are incredibly small for the job they have to do and have no means of inspection after they are backfilled with concrete.
Underpinning has NEVER been done at this scale and the sizes of some of the critical components are in my opinion severely undersized. Take a look that the drawings online. They are publicly available. The 1-1/2” thick bearing plates that have a 3-1/2” threaded pin going through them are incredibly small for the job they have to do and have no means of inspection after they are backfilled with concrete.
@@ryanclark2289 I believe the threaded rods are 2-3/4". I'm aware of the steel plates, and they are at least at ground level. If there's a failure at the plate, they can be accessed with jack hammers and rectified while backing off the loads from the hydraulic jacks while they continue to install more piers or replace the plates. They're also encased in concrete and I'm not sure the criticism of that took into account that the concrete would alleviate and dissipate the shear stresses.
In any case, dismantling an entire building is a far, far worse of a solution than fixing something like the bearing plates that are just below street level. This is not a building in imminent danger of collapse, as the news reports like to make the viewer think. Throwing an entire building away for the sake of saying we shouldn't try something we haven't done at this scale before is irresponsible and impractical. We have elevated the entire Griffith Observatory, and I'd argue that although it was not as larger of a scale, it was a much harder problem to solve, and that sort of thing was never done at that scale before either. The entire engineering profession is about solving problems that are unique in some way or another, otherwise there would be no need to design, analyze, calculate, and predict anything.
It could be from all the people moving away and making that side weaker from less weight.
Imagine cutting corners in an earthquake zone
I've been writing since this began that NO one can stop this monstrosity from falling over.
Its not going to fall over.
@@tubester4567 not soon, but.... Eventually unless something changes
@@tubester4567 just wait till the next earthquake!
@@tubester4567 Will you take responsibility for lives lost if it does drop ?
@@Wildstar40…why would someone take responsibility for something that isn’t their fault?🤷🏻♂️
If a tower falls in San Francisco, and all the businesses have already left, does it make a sound?
Best comment!!
BW - FTW!
Start the betting pool on the collapse date and time!
you win the internet friend lol
The good thing is that the Redwood trees in Muir woods would at least be far enough away from the collapse . 😮
When it hits the Salesforce Tower someone will hear it no matter how thick their tent and blankets
There's no stopping it it's coming down rest in peace for the ones who will be there
So much have been done to this MT, but do the residents and workers of the surrounding buildings practise precautionary mock drills for any emergency evacuation too?
Gravity will take its course unless something drastic is done.
Earthquake
Gravity doesn’t exist
Gravity always wins
Never
gravity is racist!!!
The lawyers gotta be loving this.
Not the ones located inside.
Gentlemen....Start your lawyers....
What is "the side that is tilting the most" @:06 ? Is the tower splitting in half ? If one side is tilting 29", so is the other side
You know I think this tower is becoming the perfect metaphor for SF
Greed will win and everyone invested in this building will go down with this ship at the expense of all the people about to be killed when it finally falls. It's all about money and the failure to take accountability. RIP ahead of time.
I'm guessing if the building gets to a certain point of lean, the entire area will have to be evacuated. At that point, it will probably won't be feasible to even tear the building down.
Democrats! Corrupt trash democrats!
@@whyyeseyec Controled demolition!!
@@rhuttrho88 yeah when? Let's just keep waiting until the last minute right?
Not a single person will be held accountable in financial terms except the taxpayers. It could fall over and California will pay the bill.
Every building sinks over time, but uneven settling on a structure hundreds of feet high compounds the problem that much more. I bet next time the ground shakes, that lean will be measured in feet. Cut your losses and demo. We don't need another Surfside Condo disaster.
"Oh my God! It fell down!" "No it didn't! Ignore those crushed dead people! Look at this fancy graph!"
It time to take the building down and admit defeat.
With only the pilings placed so far, I would expect the building to "change direction/amount" of tilt, but NOT stop moving. Like the Leaning Tower of Pisa, one corner of the foundation is "fixed", the rest rotates around that location. The compressive load on those piles will increase over time, bending and shortening them. Once bent, they will bend more (and faster) under a constant load. This is like putting a "Band-aid" on a broken leg.
The piles are new and went down to bedrock. The original piles are being offloaded. The compressive load on the original piles will decrease. Piles are very, very unlikely to bend under axial loads because they are effectively braced the full length. The foundation didn't really move after the new piles were loaded, so any additional movement on the top floor is highly unlikely to be because of the piles, and it makes a lot more sense that the blip is just from wind.
@@ryanmcgowan3061 given the lack of doing things right the first time and how it went wrong. You have no basis to make that case here. Wind or any harmless possibility need to be dismissed till any and all possible messups can be ruled out.
Theory only works if your theory is tied to good data 😊
@@ryanmcgowan3061 a building to make it to this state of danger was as unlikely as that top floor being something dangerous... the builders, engineers and city proved they could make that first messup... any and all possible issues need to be highly scrutinized and then people jailed
So let's pretend that's correct...now what about an earthquake still good then?????
@@missrobyn7759 The sinking has very little to do with seismic loads. Earthquake loads are taken up by joints and dissipate as heat. When a building fails in an earthquake, it's usually about the resonance (10+/- story buildings fall most often) and individual joints or resisting members failing (like Northridge apartments). Not because it leaned a few feet too far.
Imagine this falling over in the modern dystopia that is San Francisco. The city would be lost.
Some people out there, somewhere, having a "Wanna get away?" moment. Some crazy dominoes are gonna fall downtown when they get their next notable tremor.
Who in their right mind would live in that building?
Who in their right mind would live in SF?
It's just the next level of stupid.
People who want to commit suicide?
🤔
Maybe it beats jumping off the Golden Gate?
🤔
Democrats. They probably made sure its got gender confused bathrooms in the lobby.
quarterback joe Montana..or at least at one time
The possibility of upper floors being in a different time zone will cause further complications for all involved.
Good one!
This is SF...the building is simply going thru structure reassignment surgery. It no longer identifies as a skyscraper. How about you all stop being so judgemental as the building now IDENTIFIES as a LEANING TOWER. Its pronouns are "dangerous" and "windowless".
Even the buildings in SF are trying to relocate to other states with how bad it has gotten with the mass exodus of people, lack of businesses, and crime rates.
A perfect metaphor for what is actually happening to SF.
Slowly sinking into the sewer.
Patchwork, band aid, splint, etc.
One bad flood, hurricane, there's goes the support.
No thank u, I'm moving
There is no fix for this building. It should be dismantled. The supposed "fixes" are only making it more of a disaster-in-waiting.
Nah. I'd say go ahead and use it but when it hits the 10-foot mark, then have everyone clear out. After all, that leaning tower of pizza in Italy is still standing.
That tower was shut down for almost a decade to strengthen so it wouldn’t fall down.
The question is who’s gonna be responsible for dismantling it? Where is the money gonna come from?
@@mkm44 Once the plumbing backs up and the electrical (including elevators) fails, there will be no other alternative. Do an on-line search for photos of flooding and exposed rebar in the basement and garage areas of the building.
This report came out when only six piles were completed and partially loaded. As of late June, all 18 piles have been finished and fully loaded. The leaning has been arrested, and the displacement slightly reduced.
Wow the decision-makers should be rewarded with an apartment at the top of Millennium Tower. If they don't want to live there, then that means something.
Just build some braces to span to the building across the street and prop them against it.
You can scab a few 2x4s together till it's long enough to reach.
Available at your local Home Depot.
Problem solved.
Been following this story for years and I think its time to tear it down. I imagine insurance would pay out to the condo owners.
Insurance will not want to pay out, especially if the building wasn’t approved in the first place like some comments and articles have shown.
Typically, this would not be covered by the insurance company, I wouldn't e pect them to have even thought about covering this.
I am concerned about a small earthquake causing the building to collapse onto neighboring buildings and killing people.
They didn't pay out for Davenport's Iowa collapse. On the news over there, right now.
Doubtful. The building that partially collapsed in Davenport, Iowa tenants that had renters insurance through Gieco said they wouldn't pay their claims, though I'm not sure what sort of coverage they have.
Is there a clause covering skyscraper falling? Suspect they won’t and there will be massive lawsuits. Lawyers are probably already lining up and salivating.
I worked as a third party construction inspector.....I got out of the game...there is so much shady schite going on, that I wanted no part of. I was on more than one occasion, told to mind my own business, when I saw discrepancies that were not connected to my exact scope of work for that day. Some of my opinions and lists of discrepancies would be buried in paper work, and very loose legal ease used in final reports as to not bring up my findings. In another case the work performed only had to be warranteed for 3 yrs. SO any failures like soil compaction and roadway maladies that came after were of no concern (knowing that the shoddy workmanship would most likely need repair or replacement after 5 yrs.). I had a building fail it's fire protection (foam) inspection 3 times. They brought the company in that made the product....they certified it....hmm. So often they just want a piece of paper saying thing are up to snuff with out really caring if if actually is...the ole' CYA mentality.
Third party inspection suppose to be neutral and unbiased, but it's not. The contractor hires the inspection company, so he's paying their bills. Which leads to bias...you know if you give the contractor to much grief, he won't hire you for the next job....it's a freakin mess, I could probably go on with 100 or more examples of shoddy work or practices that got ignored.
Sounds like you made the right decision..
Unfortunately this is the standard.
Tell your mom to stop moving around all the time. The building would stay in place.😂😂😂😂😂
Scary as hell to watch a report of how Stockton Rush ignored safety concerns with his Oceangate sub to this. Where the engineer only wants to use the data that says its safe and ignore anything disputing that.
Yes, there must me something in the water in San Francisco...Live High.
I was roughly six blocks from there during the Loma Prieta earthquake and i have had a lot of f'ed up stuff happen to me in my life but nothing compares to a 7.3 magnitude earthquake while you're in a building built in 1908 two years after the 1906 earthquake that basically destroyed the city. If you live or work in SF period your life is a crapshoot due to earthquakes. But living in a buildingg already falling is like baiting fate.
A far greater danger than any of that are the hundreds of thugs in that dangerous city that think nothing of doing great harm to their fellow human beings.
We will fix the tower from tilting! Millennium Tower nope wheeee
Fate bait is hilarious
@@michaelmelling9333 "hundreds of thugs"? Oh right you mean Trump supporters. No dude, they all moved cuz they couldn't afford it and there were no entry level hatriot jobs in the silicon gulch. I guess rubbing your own excrement on the walls of public buildings only works on your resume in a red state LOL
@@Zak.Sparrow Thanks Captain Zak Sparrow you have good taste though it was just an inspired moment of masterFatetion
There is an engineer with a channel on UA-cam called Building Integrity and he said this was going to happen. The building needs to be deconstructed, and the site needs to have the pilings driven down to bed rock without a massive building on top of it.
New York City is said to be built on granite. SF is nothing but sand, I think.
I just finished his latest video on MT (posted abt 2 months ago). Great stuff.
@@BuzzyStreet he just came out (a few days ago) with a video on the partial building collapse of that red 1907 building, its a good one
@@ttrev007 I saw it! Have you seen his series on the Surfside collapse?
@@BuzzyStreet I have it’s really good. I’m on a condo board and we’ve been actually watching a lot of his videos. He’s really informative.
Tend to agree with John Hamburger. Tilt must be measured at foundation level. Once piles are connected to the plate along the Fremont Street, tilt will be reversed.
I heard one office there ended up, fired all the people in the office because they thought there was a pencil thief stealing pencils and they even fired the boss because he was the last one there and the pencils still disappeared and so they moved all the furniture, and they found all the pencils on one side of the building that rolled off the desks from the tilt of the building.
They had an arcade room that was going to be go on a whole floor, but the pinball machines wouldn’t work
I heard the arcade room had a playground with a pretty wild slide.
Wow! Those pencils must have been made of Fentanyl 👌
Are there people brave enough to risk their lives to actually live there?
Yep.
I would have a nervous breakdown!
From wat I’ve heard it’s like 99% empty
I wouldn't be using the word brave. Crazy, maybe.
It will soon be deemed too unsafe to safely have a demolition crew on the property... then what?
Listening to this is like hearing someone talk about their toxic relationship doomed for failure.
Oh, don't bring Harry and Meghan into this... 😏
@@stevesmodelbuilds5473lmao!!! 😂😂
Did Joe Monta move out?
It’s leaning, not tilting. As we in construction know: the foundation is the strength or weakness of the finished product.
definitely not the only building in SF that isn't straight.
Everything in San Francesspool tilts to the left . Explains a lot .
It would have cost just 4 million extra to go down to bedrock during the original foundation construction.... But the developer got greedy
Even if they had, the silt would liquify in an earthquake, leaving nothing around the pilings to support them.
@@stevesmodelbuilds5473 sounds like this site was unsuitable to begin with for a massive high rise tower, if the bedrock slit liquefied during an earthquake. And no support for the pilings .
@@stevesmodelbuilds5473 bedrock does not liquify, that is the point of putting the foundation in bedrock
And the city was complicit for allowing it... It's amazing how so many people with intelligence and power will look down on others, but end up doing the stupidest things.
@@tastyorange apparently the code didn't require going down to bedrock maybe that's changed.... Shortsightedness and greed the downfall of man
When are they gonna stop wasting money, cut their losses and just take that failure down?
Is it the base/foundation also tilting or is it just the buildings materials expanding or flexing to the warmth of the sun?
Is it on the coast where offshore winds can push it?
How come they didn’t show the 29 inch hole that it’s making on one side and apparently heaving on the other?
The building sits on a concrete mat ten feet thick. The mat has been tilting toward the NW. There is no hole. Where did you get that?
A similar thing happened to a building on the Strip in Las Vegas. But it never got occupied or even finished. They tore it down. The cause was different (just copied and pasted specs from a smaller building) but the corruption was similar - someone got paid to overlook something.
Another thing to consider: not all structural engineers are good at their job. See the Tacoma Narrows Bridge.
My understanding is that with the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, we found out with computer modeling in the 80's I believe - that their were wind forces that the engineers did not know about back when that bridge was built -
@@appleimacdude the designer was warned about the bridge being built primarily out of one material which meant one resonant frequency. His reply was to the effect of, "I designed the Golden Gate Bridge, who are you to question me?"
So he wasn't warned about the wind, but he was warned about the dangers of building with a single material, a single resonant frequency. There was no other material to dampen the frequency, it amplified itself, just like an opera singer shattering a wine glass.
The contractor did not use the specified amount of rebar in the concrete.
The building was dismantled.
It was called the Harmon Tower.
Corruption? Has the person been identified? At what stage did the infraction occur?
@@S0ulinth3machin3 it had nothing to do with being a single material...it was due to the width and span the type of decking material and how it was supported and then one day just the right constant wind speed set the whole calamity into motion. Before spouting off like you know what you are talking about please do some real research.
This is like a movie about two young engineers that had a falling out. Now, well into their golden years they are still bickering and fighting but must come together in order to fix the buiilding.
I'm not an engineer but I know one thing if the foundations of a building is not right there is no fix be it a house or a multistorey building.
Not necessarily. My grandmother’s house was built in 1920 and it stood on posts resting on concrete footings. In the 1950s, the whole house was jacked up and a proper perimeter foundation was constructed under it. The house is still there and the foundation is in great shape.
I got anxiety just seeing the reporter standing in the building’s shadow 😅
Buildings in SF should have been subjected to a height limit given a large portion of downtown and surrounding areas are landfill. Supreme negligence and an extreme earthquake hazard for when the big one comes.
It's probably fine if they'd gone to bedrock like everyone else does
Oh, that's right...SF was built on a garbage dump... not much has changed. It's still a garbage dump. The corrupt politicians running the place (local, city & state), obviously are of the belief that they don't have to follow any rules, that laws mean nothing & basically they ARE the 2nd coming. I say, let it (the city) go to Hell. I would like to add, why nor fence off the place & make it 1 freaking huge ginormous homeless encampment. The cable cars can help the robbers get away more efficiently (& environmentally acceptable) after a crime is committed. Hell, they could even save the robbers from other robbers (or from being raped by a rainbow 🌈 person) ...just saying
No need for height limit considering the sales force tower across from it is nearly double the height and isn't tilting because they anchored to bedrock.
@@johneydayne3449 The big one hasn't happened yet so you have no way of knowing whether a height limit should have been enacted.
$4000 rental for 1 bedroom in this tower is a joke
That is all the people who bought these condo units can do now if they do not feel safe living in this building is to rent the unit out. If they try to sell their units, they have to disclose to a prospective buyer the building leans to one side, and has sunk since completion. Who would want to buy a unit in this building? Also, when a person chooses to buy a unit in a condo, they are supposed to provide the cc&r's and HOA meeting minutes record to the prospective buyer. I'm sure the minutes from the prior HOA meetings have a lot on record pertaining to the buildings foundation and sinking issues.
This is a “lessons learned“ for us engineering students and engineering
Wow, not even the buildings in San Francisco are straight
"What I don't hear anyone talking about is 'The Eccentric loading and Long-term Lateral Deformation' of the Structural Concrete and the Curtain wall Assembly."
-Gary Santos, Architect
The fact they are submitting and publishing opinions for the benefit of the “investors” as well as the owners is actually such a horrific thing.
If this comes down, they all need to be held accountable.
Good one 😂 Remember, this is America
Did Joe Montana move out?
Pack every San Francisco democrat into that building before it falls.
Theywon't, just like the building owners and director in Florida when an entire building collapsed not even 2 years ago.
The investors should be interviewed in a luxurious room at the top of Millennium Tower.
Officials must throw a party on the top three floors and everyone must dance to the "Cupid Shuffle". It's literally the only way to fix this
The acceleration of the tilt shows a more dangerous sign than the overall tilt. Good luck fellows
Exactly. The problem is the *rate* of the tilt; all buildings tend to tilt when they settle over time.
The more it tilts, the more pressure there will be to that side of the tilt (shifting the building's weight more to that side). The repairs mentioned here seemed to be mostly theatrical (uncertain solution). No one should be in that building.
except for the responsible decision-makers
Totally eh? It's almost like they bought a cheap bandaid with what little money they got. I think it was 52 piles originally reduced to 18 and its still going to have the same effect? They're guessing and crossing their fingers. They've bought time at best.
I hear that the architects who designed this thing modeled it on The Leaning Tower Of Pisa. The calculation was that the building would become a tourist attraction, and pay for itself.
I remember the stories of construction workers on the upper floors sounding the alarms about the building leaning. I'm sure they were told to STFU and do your job. Question in my mind is, how far does the building have to lean before it's decided the building has to come down?
Are the elevators still working??
Once they get the pilings installed on the one side and corner, what's stopping the building from sinking in the areas where no new pilings exist?
Hopes and dreams?
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I believe that’s the plan to level it … let unsupported sides sink
My guess is that they are planning for the 'unreinforced' side of the building to continue to sink until it levels out with the reinforced side. I know building are expected to sink- Fine as long as they do so evenly.
Hope and prayers?
It is not just in third world and emerging economic area where shortcuts in construction and shoddy engineering are made. Its simple: they built an extremely heavy building on known unstable soil without reaching down to bedrock. They did this with some fancy foot stepping by the engineers that was accepted by the approving agencies. The millions that were initially saved went into someone's pocket. Great foundations make for great buildings. Many multiples of the original savings have been spent on remediation that still does not connect the foundation to bedrock. The tilting continues and the foundation stress is increasing. This will continue until either: people decide they have had enough of the band-aids and disassembly commences - or there is a seismic event that gets it done quickly and messily.
If you've walked around it lately, SF kind of is part of the 3rd world.
This is SF...the building is simply going thru structure reassignment surgery. It no longer identifies as a skyscraper. How about you all stop being so judgemental as the building now IDENTIFIES as a LEANING TOWER. Its pronouns are "dangerous" and "windowless".
This tower seems like a nice symbol of where San Francisco is going.
Praying this doesn’t become another Surfside situation 🙏🏻
On my first visit to San Francisco in 1982, I looked up at some of the buildings and thought to myself "why on earth would anybody build such buildings on busted up ground that keeps moving violently".
Yet people continued to build because solid math, and engineering means you can successfully build along a fault line.
Just because this structure appears to be badly designed, doesn't take away from all the buildings that aren't displaying these same issues.
Go back to whatever red necked, Hill-Billy rustbelt state you are from.
@@kimloy8019 Aren't you a ray of sunshine.
Leaning high rise in Shakey Town? What could go wrong?
Thank you for making my day!!! 🤣
The Millennium Tower is just a IRL metaphor for San Francisco
Leaning left and now needs massive support in order to keep it from imminent destruction only to learn its not sustainable. If that tower isnt the perfect metaphor for San Francisco
Building integrity UA-cam channel was sounding the alarm about this attempt to arrest the tilt. Would encourage people to give him video a watch! The jacking up and attaching piles/supports has never been proven on building this size...he also pointed out that they have very little redundancy measures in place should this fix fail
He called this one pretty well didn't he? He said that this wouldn't work- he pointed out that like the beams were right near the breaking points with the whole remedy. Damn fine engineer if only these developers had hired him instead
Came here to mention his channel too, his analysis is pretty thorough
@@catc8927 Best structural engineering channel on YT provided by a working engineer. He deserves much more of a following.
All due respect to that fine engineer, but I'm a mere advertising exec and I knew in 2011 that this project was doomed.
All I know is we will get a new video by him soon about this 😂
Imagine being the lead foundation architect, & general contractor who made the actual foundation.
I imagine sleep for these individuals, to be something of an enigma...
It’s interesting how this happened with the leaning tower of Pisa. They literally added piles and made it lean more
They killed the guy and his mistress that made that decision. #offwiththeirheads