T100 looks with T350 forgiveness would be insane. But Ping i59 was that and the feel was a deal breaker. Mindset alignment aide is pretty interesting. I've been working on mindset for a few months. I see a lot of mindset issues with UA-cam golfers on course, not dropping any names lol.
Great video as always. So have I got this right a players iron but with the forgiveness of a game improvement iron sell for £200 per iron game over. Cobra always innovative could blow everybody out of the water, this is like Taylormade with metal woods. Greetings from 🇬🇧.
The end of this conversation ALMOST went where I was thinking. They won't go to ~30 varieties of a club head that fit a style of golfer ... they'll be able to use performance analysis and AI to print a golf club for YOU, the one player, optimized not for your "type" of swing but for "your" swing.
That would be so sick, but imagine the cost right now😮💨🥴. Once the process becomes more streamlined and efficient it could be done, but you also have to think that these companies care about making money. If they can sell a set for $3,000, they probably will until competitors force their hand into lowering prices.
Knife makers have been using the powdered steel for years. The process is different, but the powdered steel yields a finer grain, stronger steel, or a formulated steel to bring different characteristics. A golf club company could have a powder formula to make it softer, harder, etc. Literally, Cobra could design its irons with intricate design with a special steel mixes.
I would love to hit these. I bet they're amazing. I've always loved blades and have had several sets, but switched to Titleist cavity backs years ago. I recently got a set of Jack Nicklaus Muirfield blades by MacGregor at a Goodwill. They must have belonged to some old player who also loved them because they're in great shape, had the shafts replaced with some quality graphite, have UST grips (didn't even know they made grips) and have a couple strips of lead tape on the back of every iron. Man they feel good. However, about 2 out of every ten shots gets mishit and I loose about 10% in distance. Not bad, but it's the reason I don't play blades anymore. The point is, if these feel and look like baldes with superior performance to game improvement irons, I know what I'll be playing in the future.
Quick perspective on the Cobra 3D printed iron's 100g of discretionary weight: some examples of typical iron head weights consistent throughout most of the industry (+/-3g) you'd see most wedge heads hovering around 300g total; 270g in the 7-iron; 242g in the 4-iron, etc. That is an insane amount of weight to be able to play with. Sorcery...
Wilson D7 Forged for life….PERIOD. Perfect for the beginner, high, mid, and low handicapper. And when you hit 50 yrs old switch to the DynaForged …Discussion over.
Yeah, he is. The ones on their website are not the ones he was using though. His had bulge and roll stuff going on with the faces. They were around $10K from what I read. The other ones on the website are standard irons.
I think the future is a 3D printing system capable of fusing powdered metals of various types, so that the idea of an AI generated VFT face, made completely 3-dimensionally, so that, for instance, instead of a large lump of tungsten embedded in a single location, tiny bits of i could be interspersed in a suspended fashion in various spatial locations within the confines of the finished head? I think the future is not bending loft and lie but golfers being able to use a self-serve online custom 3-D printing service that can build an entire set of clubs that are already optimized for loft gaps, with custom lie angles, etc.... what a crazy future...
I was led to believe that grain flow forging is the process needed to make the perfect Samurai Sword….. the same process to make the perfect golf iron….. extremely different from 3 D printing??
They didn’t have a 3D printer during feudal Japan so don’t think that really is an apt comparison. A Samurai sword from a weight distribution perspective probably doesn’t benefit from the same things that freeing up internal weight in a thicker end product.
One of the advantages of 3D printing is the ability to send the 3D file to a printer anywhere in the world. Your custom clubs could be printed much closer without world-wide shipping. The down side is cyber security. Imagine someone hacking into Cobra's computer and stealing the 3D files. They could print and sell fakes that would be identical to the real thing. They could also create their own brand by simply tweaking the logo.
This was a well-done show! Not extraneous chatter, good info, and a cheerful attitude. Why, may I ask is it good for golf what Tiger does? Good for whom? Golf doesn't need, depend on, not really respect the nonsense of high commercialism and celebrity. That is a product of money, not grip, turn and finish. You mighty recall that when Nicklaus declined, so did ad revenue, so did the worthless PGA whine about their fictitious situation. "We need a star!" they would dream. Golf at the pro level is so good and competent that one could watch any of them and not see the differences in skill nor in knowledge. But, instead, we are warned of Tiger. We have to see Rory age poorly, and we have a cranky Mickelson now moving into the shadows. The LPGA is good for golf. It is not good for men's' drivers sales nor for men's conceits. Who, in their right mind, cannot admire the craft and competition in the Ladies (are they Ladies?!)? Sorry to sound fan-like, but MyGolfSpy not only maintains quality but gets better every six months.
I have no doubt someone has a friend that knows a guy with a 3D printer and they cranked out at least a putter. Set of irons is probably a tall order, but I bet someone crafted themselves a putter outta 3D magic 😏
I defintely do not agree with alot of the comments here that 3d printed irons are the customization for the future….quality and reliability of top forged process irons that are meticulously crafted will go down and plastic clubs created…all to lower price etc. I really hope manufacturers don’t get caught up in the trap of cheaper cost production at the expense of the consumer….don’t mess with what works
My contention would be that if we "don't mess with what works" we're essentially submitting to the status quo. That stifles innovation and in this case, the cost of production is likely higher than that of casting or forging.
@@GolfSpyC I hear your point but making golf clubs is an art and a long process to find perfection….like driverless cars which they said was going to be the greatest thing since sliced toast..but it failed miserably…i hope this does not succeed to become the next trend in golf club manufacture….and I know I speak for the majority of golf fans out there for now…but that may all change as you have hinted.
@@michaelbardeleben4519 I don't know that a majority of golfers are against better performing clubs (assuming that's the case with these) and I entirely agree that designing and manufacturing golf clubs takes time, skill, knowledge, and plenty of resources. That said, I don't see how the 3D printing process is any less of an art - it's just different.
I don't think too many sets of those Cobra irons will sell in Canada. They are $4200.+ They are nice though, and the technology is interesting. But, that price is outrageously high.
With only 500 sets worldwide, I'm not sure Cobra is that concerned about whether these will sell well in any specific region. That said, when they inevitably work to scale this technology into an inline offering, then they might have to be a bit more price-conscious.
I'm 100% convinced that the 3D printed Cobra irons will NOT offer a noticeable improvement to nearly all golfers vs a P790 style hollow-body iron. The ability to move weight around in the head does not require 3D printing..... 3D printed irons are only expensive because the process is so expensive. These irons are not more expensive because they're better, because they're absolutely not better.
Without comprehensive testing, there's no way to determine what, if any, performance benefit exists. Trying to draw any conclusions between cost and performance is, at this point, erroneous. We can state that the process is more expensive and thus the final product is also more expensive. But until we have real data to assess, everything else is conjecture.
Tiger's bones, ligaments, cartilage and tendons are for a tall, lanky, 185lb asian kid. He took the needle and now his muscles are tearing them apart. You don't put a 12-cylinder Rolls Royce engine into a Ford Fiesta
Lines are great if the line is also balanced my Q is are the Pro V 1 double line balance? Great Video by the way!!! Would love to see the printer make the cobra head ( Magic) 🏌️
T100 looks with T350 forgiveness would be insane. But Ping i59 was that and the feel was a deal breaker. Mindset alignment aide is pretty interesting. I've been working on mindset for a few months. I see a lot of mindset issues with UA-cam golfers on course, not dropping any names lol.
Great video as always. So have I got this right a players iron but with the forgiveness of a game improvement iron sell for £200 per iron game over. Cobra always innovative could blow everybody out of the water, this is like Taylormade with metal woods. Greetings from 🇬🇧.
The end of this conversation ALMOST went where I was thinking. They won't go to ~30 varieties of a club head that fit a style of golfer ... they'll be able to use performance analysis and AI to print a golf club for YOU, the one player, optimized not for your "type" of swing but for "your" swing.
That would be so sick, but imagine the cost right now😮💨🥴. Once the process becomes more streamlined and efficient it could be done, but you also have to think that these companies care about making money. If they can sell a set for $3,000, they probably will until competitors force their hand into lowering prices.
Or you could have National Custom Works do that for you right now.
The King MiM Tour irons, which I play start out as a powder also. I don’t understand why they dropped the MiM technology. I love mine.
Knife makers have been using the powdered steel for years. The process is different, but the powdered steel yields a finer grain, stronger steel, or a formulated steel to bring different characteristics. A golf club company could have a powder formula to make it softer, harder, etc. Literally, Cobra could design its irons with intricate design with a special steel mixes.
I would love to hit these. I bet they're amazing. I've always loved blades and have had several sets, but switched to Titleist cavity backs years ago. I recently got a set of Jack Nicklaus Muirfield blades by MacGregor at a Goodwill. They must have belonged to some old player who also loved them because they're in great shape, had the shafts replaced with some quality graphite, have UST grips (didn't even know they made grips) and have a couple strips of lead tape on the back of every iron. Man they feel good. However, about 2 out of every ten shots gets mishit and I loose about 10% in distance. Not bad, but it's the reason I don't play blades anymore. The point is, if these feel and look like baldes with superior performance to game improvement irons, I know what I'll be playing in the future.
Quick perspective on the Cobra 3D printed iron's 100g of discretionary weight: some examples of typical iron head weights consistent throughout most of the industry (+/-3g) you'd see most wedge heads hovering around 300g total; 270g in the 7-iron; 242g in the 4-iron, etc. That is an insane amount of weight to be able to play with. Sorcery...
Maybe the reason they play Vokey wedges is because they are the best???
I would love a 3D printed iron with tungsten weights and a titanium face. Very low CG because I suck at golf with handicap of 18
Chris sporting a Savannah Bananas hat?? Heck yeah... represent!!
Wilson D7 Forged for life….PERIOD. Perfect for the beginner, high, mid, and low handicapper. And when you hit 50 yrs old switch to the DynaForged …Discussion over.
Every year we are told the irons, drivers and putters are better than last years.
After all todays 7 iron loft is old 3iron.
Is that a CB version on the video main screen? Is a CB version coming soon as well?
Avoda has already launched a 3d printed iron. They have them listed for 1300 to 1500 bucks. Bryson Dechambeau is playing them
Yeah, he is. The ones on their website are not the ones he was using though. His had bulge and roll stuff going on with the faces. They were around $10K from what I read. The other ones on the website are standard irons.
@user-rw9rs6di9n I'm not sure. I figured I'd wait 3 or 4 years before purchasing. That way they work out all the kinks. That's to much money to risk
The avoda irons for sale to the general public are not 3D printed.
I think the future is a 3D printing system capable of fusing powdered metals of various types, so that the idea of an AI generated VFT face, made completely 3-dimensionally, so that, for instance, instead of a large lump of tungsten embedded in a single location, tiny bits of i could be interspersed in a suspended fashion in various spatial locations within the confines of the finished head? I think the future is not bending loft and lie but golfers being able to use a self-serve online custom 3-D printing service that can build an entire set of clubs that are already optimized for loft gaps, with custom lie angles, etc.... what a crazy future...
I was led to believe that grain flow forging is the process needed to make the perfect Samurai Sword….. the same process to make the perfect golf iron….. extremely different from 3 D printing??
They didn’t have a 3D printer during feudal Japan so don’t think that really is an apt comparison. A Samurai sword from a weight distribution perspective probably doesn’t benefit from the same things that freeing up internal weight in a thicker end product.
@@BrentNinedorf removing internal weight ie hollow body design irons…..does appear to create more distance from the club face …. I grant you that.
One of the advantages of 3D printing is the ability to send the 3D file to a printer anywhere in the world. Your custom clubs could be printed much closer without world-wide shipping. The down side is cyber security. Imagine someone hacking into Cobra's computer and stealing the 3D files. They could print and sell fakes that would be identical to the real thing. They could also create their own brand by simply tweaking the logo.
Half the golf companies today are selling you the same shot with a tweaked logo. You don’t know the difference now, why would you in the future?
You keep talking about the new 3D printed technology but what do you know about the impact on the game? Is it a big advancement in club forgiveness?
This was a well-done show! Not extraneous chatter, good info, and a cheerful attitude. Why, may I ask is it good for golf what Tiger does? Good for whom? Golf doesn't need, depend on, not really respect the nonsense of high commercialism and celebrity. That is a product of money, not grip, turn and finish.
You mighty recall that when Nicklaus declined, so did ad revenue, so did the worthless PGA whine about their fictitious situation. "We need a star!" they would dream. Golf at the pro level is so good and competent that one could watch any of them and not see the differences in skill nor in knowledge. But, instead, we are warned of Tiger. We have to see Rory age poorly, and we have a cranky Mickelson now moving into the shadows. The LPGA is good for golf. It is not good for men's' drivers sales nor for men's conceits. Who, in their right mind, cannot admire the craft and competition in the Ladies (are they Ladies?!)?
Sorry to sound fan-like, but MyGolfSpy not only maintains quality but gets better every six months.
I have no doubt someone has a friend that knows a guy with a 3D printer and they cranked out at least a putter. Set of irons is probably a tall order, but I bet someone crafted themselves a putter outta 3D magic 😏
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Great job as always guys! Thank you!
Thank you!
An HP Metal Jet printer is roughly $400k. 316L stainless powder is roughly $100 per kg. It's definitely a costly process, even if you own the printer.
I defintely do not agree with alot of the comments here that 3d printed irons are the customization for the future….quality and reliability of top forged process irons that are meticulously crafted will go down and plastic clubs created…all to lower price etc. I really hope manufacturers don’t get caught up in the trap of cheaper cost production at the expense of the consumer….don’t mess with what works
My contention would be that if we "don't mess with what works" we're essentially submitting to the status quo. That stifles innovation and in this case, the cost of production is likely higher than that of casting or forging.
@@GolfSpyC I hear your point but making golf clubs is an art and a long process to find perfection….like driverless cars which they said was going to be the greatest thing since sliced toast..but it failed miserably…i hope this does not succeed to become the next trend in golf club manufacture….and I know I speak for the majority of golf fans out there for now…but that may all change as you have hinted.
@@michaelbardeleben4519 I don't know that a majority of golfers are against better performing clubs (assuming that's the case with these) and I entirely agree that designing and manufacturing golf clubs takes time, skill, knowledge, and plenty of resources. That said, I don't see how the 3D printing process is any less of an art - it's just different.
I don't think too many sets of those Cobra irons will sell in Canada. They are $4200.+ They are nice though, and the technology is interesting. But, that price is outrageously high.
With only 500 sets worldwide, I'm not sure Cobra is that concerned about whether these will sell well in any specific region. That said, when they inevitably work to scale this technology into an inline offering, then they might have to be a bit more price-conscious.
Printing heads makes possible a whole myriad of directions in design and performance, and custom production. The biggest issue is going to be price.
Is golf still on tv
I'm 100% convinced that the 3D printed Cobra irons will NOT offer a noticeable improvement to nearly all golfers vs a P790 style hollow-body iron. The ability to move weight around in the head does not require 3D printing..... 3D printed irons are only expensive because the process is so expensive. These irons are not more expensive because they're better, because they're absolutely not better.
Without comprehensive testing, there's no way to determine what, if any, performance benefit exists. Trying to draw any conclusions between cost and performance is, at this point, erroneous. We can state that the process is more expensive and thus the final product is also more expensive. But until we have real data to assess, everything else is conjecture.
3D printing is really old tech .. about time golf equipment manufacturers start using it … undoubtedly better design quality and performance
All this sounds ridiculous I play Miura TC-201’s nuff said! All the “grain flow” crap you need 😂
Great set of irons!
Radius of Gyration - Ok Elivis
Tiger's bones, ligaments, cartilage and tendons are for a tall, lanky, 185lb asian kid. He took the needle and now his muscles are tearing them apart. You don't put a 12-cylinder Rolls Royce engine into a Ford Fiesta
Forbid sharing 3D driver proprietary manufacturing information and data outside CONUS
They 3D print buildings in china.
Do you think Rory is playing more freely due to the divorce?
Tiger needs to GO AWAY him hobbling around a shell of his former self is bad for golf it sucks the air out of the future/current stars
Lines are great if the line is also balanced my Q is are the Pro V 1 double line balance? Great Video by the way!!! Would love to see the printer make the cobra head ( Magic) 🏌️