At some point in time, I realized Kai was infantilized and Taehyun is over sexualized but I never compared the two. When you put it into perspective like this, it’s shocking.
Ikr.. it's so annoying when people say "kai cant drink cuz he is a baby" it pisses me off so much... He himself revealed that he drinks but not on camera... Some moas be acting like old aunts
as a kai and tae ult, this hurts. one is treated as if he was an infant, and the other is treated like his body is the only thing important about him. both are bad, and i hope they get the treatment they deserve in the future.
Right now, I think Kai is just living his adult life by doing more “adult” things, but he might also be simultaneously trying to shed the maknae image. I think last year he mentioned that he got rid of almost all of his plushies (which is totally normal) and it seems that he’s finding his style. He even recently got piercings after not having them all these years since he was afraid it would ruin his cute image. He’s wearing less hoodies and sweatpants and more comfortable, yet stylish clothing. As you know, he’s also been working out and embracing more of a sexy and mature side on stage and I love that for him. He’s simply growing and discovering more about himself. I can only hope moas will let him do that in peace. **edit:* I am NOT treating Taehyun like a child by saying the following things. Pls scroll down and read my reply in this thread if you don’t understand or need full context… As for Taehyun, I agree with everything you said. I mentioned in the other comment section the problems with over sexualization in editing and it certainly happens with Taehyun a lot. It’s disgusting to see people make those comments. I’ve seen the argument that if someone is an adult the fans can sexualize them as they please, which is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. Like what happened to consent? He is a human being with human emotions and ofc he wants to be viewed and treated as one. Like why are we even having this conversation? Kpop fans be normal challenge: failed 💀
@@Kkttrr31643 No, that is not what I mean at all. You don’t have the context behind my post. In my initial statement, I mention how I made a comment regarding sexy edits, but what I did not mention specifically is what I said in the comment. If you’d like to see this comment about edits, it is under the video “no, your idol is not your babygirl” by the creator of this video. In that comment I made sure to mention that it is perfectly ok to think the guys are sexy, especially if they are intentionally acting that way. I am well aware that they are grown men. I have no problem with them being sexy and being perceived that way. I think they are too. What is not ok, is fans overstepping boundaries. I have seen several edits where there will be clips used of one of the members literally just doing normal things (not with the intention of being sexy) and the editor makes a conscious decision to sexualize them. For example, I once saw a Huening Kai edit where an editor used a clip of Kai when he was playing a game with the members. It was just a fun, silly game. They had to catch whipped cream in their mouths, which Kai failed to do, so it ended up all over his face. The editor took this harmless clip and sexualized it for their own pleasure. This behavior is too normalized among fans. I even saw people in the comments saying stuff like “I wish he’d *** in me” (use your imagination to fill in the blank) or “I’d lick that off of him.” I hope you can understand how that’s problematic. I bet they wouldn’t say that about some random dude they find attractive on the street. They’re objectifying Kai and sexualizing him at a time where he was not intending to be sexualized. It’s ok if it’s consensual but I doubt the average person would be ok with that. Also, I know some idols like and even embrace such comments and if they do that is perfectly fine. I’m just saying, I’m sure a lot of them would not appreciate sexualization in that context.
@@Kkttrr31643 My original reply to you disappeared. Basically, what I said is, you misunderstood this comment and took it out of context. I am well aware that TXT are grown men and I have no problem with them being sexy and wanting to be perceived that way. I view them that way as well. For context, the creator of this video has another video called “No, your idol is not your babygirl” and in that video I made a comment about sexualizing idols in edits. I encourage you to read the full thing for complete understanding but I will explain it here anyway. I mentioned how I’ve seen a lot of edits sexualize members from clips that were never supposed to be sexual. For example, I saw a Huening Kai edit and in one of the clips he was playing a game with the members where they tried to catch whipped cream in their mouths. It was a fun, silly game, and the editor took a normal clip and made it sexual. That is completely objectifying. The comment section of the edit included things such as “I want him to … in me” and “I’d l**k that off of him.” All for a clip of him having fun with no intention of being sexualized. I hope you can see the problem with that. It was NOT consensual. Their sexy dance moves, thirst trap photos from Taehyun, suggestive lyrics, etc. ARE consensual. I hope this clears things up. There is a difference. Also, I know some “idols” are perfectly fine with hearing and seeing comments like that and even encourage it but I’m speaking for those who wouldn’t be.
@@Kkttrr31643 Don’t mind the asterisks in this reply, I have to censor it so my comment doesn’t get deleted again. You misunderstood this comment and took it out of context. I am well aware that TXT are grown men and I have no problem with them being s**y and wanting to be perceived that way. I view them that way as well. For context, the creator of this video has another video called “No, your idol is not your babygirl” and in that video I made a comment about s****lizing idols in edits. I encourage you to read the full thing for complete understanding but I will explain it here anyway. I mentioned how I’ve seen a lot of edits s****lize members from clips that were never supposed to be s***al. For example, I saw a Huening Kai edit and in one of the clips he was playing a game with the members where they tried to catch whipped cream in their mouths. It was a fun, silly game, and the editor took a normal clip and made it s***al. That is completely objectifying. The comment section of the edit included things such as “I want him to … in me” and “I’d l**k that off of him.” All for a clip of him having fun with no intention of being s****lized. It was NOT consensual. Their s**y dance moves, thirst trap photos, suggestive lyrics, etc. ARE consensual. I hope this clears things up. There is a difference. Also, I know some “idols” are perfectly fine with hearing and seeing comments like that and even encourage it but I’m talking about those who wouldn’t be.
kai actually still doesn't have any piercings and he didn't throw away all of his plushies, just cleaned them out. which is completely okay! adults also enjoy stuffed animals and dont have to have piercings
Totally agree. Another problem I see is with fans becoming too delusional and parasocial about people they don't personally know. I like kpop but this is the hardest thing to deal with when being a stan, the weird fans that don't know boundries or how to treat people like people. Especially when it comes to sexualizing idols
Exactly. It’s exhausting. I sometimes think of permanently stepping away from the fandom spaces and stanning in silence because I can’t deal with the delusions.
It’s even sadder because kpop companies capitalise off stuff like this, it’s why we get so much content from them involving their personal lives. To some extent I understand, it helps you feel closer to the members and appreciate them so much more, but it gets to a point where obsession and actually believing you know them becomes overwhelming.
@tubatulvr this is just a reminder that everything in kpop is calculated and almost nothing is authentic. Even the personalities we love are often perfectly curated for each group and designated to certain members 😕 I often wonder how much of what we’re seeing are the members true selves.
@@imsoshockaid Oh yeah definitely. I’m sure some idols are genuine, but even if they are, it’s never 100% real, because there are parts of themselves that they wouldn’t show on camera.
Also recently when kai shared that he doesn't drink grape juice and egg tart often and stopped drinking soft drinks instead he preferred to drink green tea and healthy food at that time Moas had a meltdown saying what happened to kai 😭 bffr he's growing up and prefers to eat healthy food like any adults
@@txt.moa_luvsit makes me wonder if he got rid of them because it added fuel to the way fans treated him like a baby that needed to be coddled, or if he genuinely felt like he himself truly grew out of them. I still have my stuffies and I’m older than Kai. I hope he didn’t feel pressured into giving them away when he didn’t want to do so.
I was on board with the comment until you said "prefers to eat healthy food like any adults", like HUH?? What does being an adult have to do with preferring healthy food? Do you know how many adults prefer junk food over eating healthy?? I'm practically the same age as Kai (3 months younger) and I don't eat super healthy EVEN IF I know I should-
Cold?! Taehyun?! I would never think of him that way! And I'm not even a MOA. It's crazy that some MOAs see him as cold. To me, he's the exact opposite - kind and caring. As for Kai... Guys, he's 22, not 5. It's so frustrating how some fans infantilize maknaes just because they're the youngest. Members treating them like maknaes is fine because they are maknaes for their hyungs. But fans need to know their boundaries!
I am a Tyun stan and THIS. I saw a video of TXT iconic moments and it didn't even include Tyun and I was like- what? His high notes are THE best thing. I have been in love with his voice for ages. Yes, I do like his edits and he does have a sexy persona but he is such a gentle and mature person. He always compliments his members' insecurities. Whenever Beomgyu is talking and the other 3 (maybe to tease him or maybe they didn't realize) talk over him and Beomgyu becomes quiet, Terry always tells him to go on as he is listening. He is such a sweet person and he deserves more☹️💗
Also a terry stan from debut, his smile and little happy sounds when scared or happy during ToDo are what I find the most cute🥰. Go off Queen, u also a savage.
What bothers me is some moas suddenly calling Hueningkai hot, because he buffed up and grew. That means that all this time they thought he was ugly. Yeonjun, Soobin and Beomgyu never had to change to prove they’re attractive and it’s unfair. With Taehyun, I’ve noticed that his popularity is incompetent and competent at the same time. Some comebacks he’s popular then the next he’s blown to the wind. Also whenever moas talk about him half of the time or sometimes even all the time it’s about his abs or something about his body. With the other members it’s different, there’s still a good portion of decent fans who talk about their memes or something funny. But with Taehyun it’s always about how he’s not a baby boy anymore and that his waist is snatched. I feel so bad to taehyun and hueningkai, these two have always been separated from the group since the beginning….
Omg THIS. I have seen so many people saying "kai has glown up" "kai had a glow up this year" when he was already glowing all these years? Ya'll just didn't see his mature side, everyone ignored it. Sadly i wasnt a moa at that time, i just became a moa like in 2024 but i have seen their old videos. He was never ugly or bad looking tho... The only difference was he was younger and since moas called him cute, he kept his cute image in sake of moa. There are a lor of occasions where we see other members fighting or playing around and he is just sitting and laughing at them. It shows that he was already matured up. Now just because he started to work out, people are suddenly calling him hot and he is gaining attention.. this is so stupid. People didn't give him attention before when he didn't work out... This is so annoying to think about.. he is basically my bias. He became my bias because i really liked his unique vocal tone and that time i loved his blue hair alot and he is still my bias till this day.
People only see taehyun's body most of the time... Like come on, talka about his incredible dance skills, his vocal, his visual but no. Why do ya'll have to be so perverted? I never knew that some moas can go so low and be a pervert.. whenever he uploads a tiktok, people mostly talk about his waist and abs which is covered with his clothes and barely seen in those videos 😭 I would say they are different. No matter what, taehyun and kai are different. They have their own style and personality. Kai loves to make people laugh and play around where taehyun prefers to watch and encourage. Taehyun is also playful. I mean no matter what taehyun does, he looks cute. How do people even se*ualize him... And for kai. He will just stand still and breath and my heart flutters. Even before he was buff and all...
@ILoveHyukaTooMuch I actually like this, kai is my bias too. The reasons for you to like him are the very same reasons I like him. Of course, he's handsome, but I think it's a good thing to like a group member or a group because of their talent, since they are artists. That forms a healthy relationship between the artist and the fan.❤
@@khanyiiKay the reason why he is still my bias is because we like the same genre of music. No wonder i loved dear sputnik in the first listen. Tbh I don't think there is anything i dont like about him. I like his vocals, his rap style, his songwriting, his production, his handsome face, his 50 different shades of laugh, his dance style, his body proportion, his smile, his jokes, his facial expressions, his performances, his habits etc (there are so many more reasons) and im glad i paid attention to him because if i didn't, i wouldn't have any ult (kai is my ult bias)
Kai is maturing very well, it's natural that at his age a lot of Moa find him very attractive and, dare I say, modestly sexy. Yet a lot of other Moa are still stuck in this mindset that he's still a 'baby' and if you comment on how flirtatious and low-key sexy he can be, these Moa will come at you angrily for 'sexualizing' him. He's going to be 23 this year! Let the guy be an adult! People can find him attractive and physically appealing without being creepy and pervy! And this might not have anything to do with anything, but people tend to forget that Kai is only the maknae of the group. In real life, he's a middle child AND an older brother. From what we've seen in various content that feature sisters, his maturity is more than evident.
@@Emgee78 yeah it’s kinda ironic that Kai, the youngest of his group, is the only one who has a younger sibling, everyone else has either an older sibling or is an only child
The whole video just proves my point about how dumb the maknae position actually is. Almost every maknae in KPop I can think about has this problem with fans not wanting them to grow and become more mature. This is why we need this position to go
I totally agree. The maknae position has forced so many idols into a box where it’s only acceptable for them to be childish and act way younger than their age. Taehyun and Kai are grown ass adults. They can drink, they can lean into sex appeal, they can do whatever the fuck they want. It’s the maknae position that’s holding them back from becoming who they want to be in the eyes of their fans.
On X/Twitter, it's literally the opposite now: HueningKai is oversexualized, and Taehyun is the cute Maknae. Moas are calling that out, but I haven't seen UA-cam videos discussing this. Kai even said on a live that the reason he would act cute was because trainees said he should, so he started acting like that. He wasn't always like that. Oversexualizing Taehyun only started when he started going to the gym, something he wanted to do, but Bighit would not let him. I hate fans' excuses of him being an adult, because there are edits when, internationally he was 17. During TXT's debut, the whole group concept was cute, so in the beginning, everyone was seen as cute. To this day, if you search debut-era videos, there are comments saying they are so cute.
Kai's cute image changing reminded me of Enhypen Sunoo. Someone commented that Sunoo was their bias, but because he is not acting cute all the time, they are starting to become less of one and now, just like all the members. I saw comments similar with how Kai is acting. They are not always going to act cute, so I don't really understand if that fan should claim they are a huge Sunoo stan. Whether you are OT whatever or have a bias, I don't think people are really one until they learn to accept all of their traits. They are human, so they will look cute or hot, act cool or funny. Also, understand they are growing up, so maybe they won't act fully like they did when they were younger. A fan loves all of their personalities.
This is a similar thing I am noticing with fans. They like them cute, and when an idol is young, they will act cute for the fans. But the more they grow into an adult, the more embarrassing it feels. I don't think you would be a huge fan if you only liked him when he was being cute.
i could not agree more with this. the two have never been treated the same as the choi line and it just sucks. the fact kai is so babied by some fans and taehyun is the exact opposite only viewed for his body is so disgusting and disappointing imo. it’s so unfortunate when idols get sexualized like taehyun and also babied and forced to “stay young” like kai. moas who treat tyunning differently make me so incredibly mad
Kai is being forced to stay young and cute and Taehyun was forced to mature.Anytime I see a MOA go “my baby ____” i cringe like please these men are 22-25 years old they can drink and they can go clubbing and i don’t even think it was for the way they presented themselves in the beginning that fans act the way they do when the find out a member was drinking,smoking,clubbing,etc. I think it’s just crazy fans that have created these Parasocial relationship between them and TXT… (Yes they’re some times where I will go “aww he looks so cute” or catch myself looking at Taehyuns workout posts but I don’t go to the point where I’m sexualizing or infantilized them)
I also sometimes use the my baby for my ults when I feel sad about something that happened to them or when they look extremely cute but not actually infantilizing them. I admit there are sometimes that I'm scared to simp for a Ni-ki post(just because I'm 5 MONTHS older😭) but then I consciously remind myself that he's a grown man now and I'm definitely allowed to simp
I am a MOA and like TXT because of their music and personalities❤ They give off bestfriend vibe. I listen to their music and dance to their choreos and watch their performance to boost up my mood. And i can not imagine them as boyfriends, like?? Some people are so weird
I’ve found my people FINALLY! I don’t know if it’s because me and txt have a bit of an age gap (by the time I became a fan a few years ago as a teen, they were all adults) but I’ve always looked up to them rather than thinking of them as my boyfriends. I mean Yeonjun was my first celebrity crush but at the end of the day I know I’m not marrying that man 😂. I adore their personalities, their friendship, their music and passion for what they do. I love when a music artists loves to work on their songs and tries to be involved. Txt are the reason I stayed a K-pop fan, so if anything I look up to them :)
I think that a lot of MOAs fetishize the fact that Kai is the youngest when talking about him. Kai is one of my ult biases and has been for over two years, and I’ve always been able to see that he’s more than just a maknae but actually a talented and funny idol as well. I feel like a lot of MOAs refuse to see past his age and try to act as though he’s still sixteen. The crazy thing is that I’m as old as Kai was when he debuted, and people are treating him like a toddler, and always have. If anyone treated me like that, not only would I be frustrated and ashamed, but I would be pissed.
i agree wholeheartedly with your insights and opinions, i’ve been seeing so many double standards around tyunning ever since 2021 era. it’s genuinely sad and concerning how these “fans” or netizens are treating them
Looking at the comments, I'm glad that there are normal K-pop stans out there. It's really hard not to be ashamed to like K-pop because of how the world views K-pop fans.They think we are all the same. And i don't blame them. Sadly, some fans have gone too far, and there's no coming back. It's become a mental issue problem.
Ive been a moa for a little bit more than a year, and my bias is Kai and wrecker is Taehyun. I feel like since kai has been working out more, hes been getting more popular because hes "been getting hot" (hes always been very attractive though, dont get why people are just now noticing). But i feel like people are off and on with Taehyun. Like one minute theyll bias him, and the next he'll be toyally overlooked by the fandom despite how talented he is and how addictive his singing is. Ive always thought he was super cute, he doesnt need to act cute because he IS cute.
I also feel like it's not talked about enough how it is affecting Kai? In one of the behind the scenes videos from sanctuary era (from this one fan meet where they wore their old school uniforms) Kai literally said something like "I definitely look a lot older now. You'll still love me, right?" and even though it was probably more of a joke, it hurt me a bit bc sometimes it really does feel like he's still a bit scared to look older. I just really hope he gets to present himself how he wants to be presented and doesn't get pushed in either narrative
15:30 Wow, I’ve never thought of it this way. I really appreciate you for sharing your point of view. This was a serious event that still affects Taehyun to this day. He still doesn’t post as frequently on weverse as he did before the incident. You’re right the memes are tone deaf and it’s almost as if we’re laughing at his situation. On the other hand, I don’t think moas meant any harm making the joke. A lot of U.S. and other international moas pride themselves for not taking rumors too seriously so we always joke about it. For us, our fave getting caught at a bar is nothing. I remember the day that news came out I was only shocked because the news was public, not because a grown man was at a club. Another reason international fans may joke during a situation like this is because we believe jokes combat the hate and overreaction from the Korean fans. If the idols see how normal we’re acting they’ll know someone still cares about them, right? A little bit of jokes to balance out all the hate, that never hurt anyone? Now here’s the most interesting part about this topic: *the jokes help fuel international fans’ superiority complex.* Think about it, if the majority of the Korean moas are out here telling the idol to leave the group and majority of the international moas are cracking jokes about how boring the club looks and how they can give better recommendations, who do you think looks better? Although in your eyes it’d be nobody 💀 as I stated before international fans fans have a superiority complex so no matter what we do, even if it’s bad we think “well at least we’re not as bad as them”. The jokes help further push the agenda that we are their “cooler” and “more chill” fans who don’t care what they do. In reality, what our faves really need is for us to put aside our differences, and work to get those videos taken down.
Oh wow. This is such a well articulated take. I’ve never thought of this before. I feel like a lot of the superiority complex battle is subconscious. Like we sometimes don’t even realize why we think we’re better, it’s just that we consider certain things to be common sense and when other people’s actions don’t align with the that, it’s easy to dismiss them completely. (I’m not saying we’re better than Korean fans btw, I’m just admitting that there are times when I believe international fans handle things a bit more appropriately. Not all the time ofc. Not all international fans are supportive the same way not all Korean fans are dismissive. Fans are still fans no matter where they’re from and there’s a mix of good and bad from both places).
@@iamjustagirlintheworldd 😭 A lot of us have good intentions making the joke and I’m sure you did too but never even realized how this could make them feel. Next time a “scandal” like this happens it might be best to send words of encouragement to them. 🫶🏽
Anyway, why can't people like them for being them ? why do we have to make their looks their whole personality. Oh, and one thing I've realized is that most K-pop artists don't know how to show their mature self or how to introduce their mature self to their fans, and so they replace cute with sexy. Not all of them want to be seen as sexy, but they might not know how to show their mature and grown self.
Because they like to objectify. They want to know what category to put them in so they can compartmentalize in their mind and fulfill whatever sick and twisted fantasy they got going on up there 💀. Either that or they genuinely get too carried away assume they can only have one trait.
Kai is my bias, and i have a lot of moa friends who choosed kai as their bias, and we all love every side of him. No matter if it's cute or sexy. Because he truly is capable of being both. I think people who stated staning txt late they just don't know how he actually grown up. I am very proud of him, because the thing that made him my bias was his incredible talented and passion for music, and not the cutie concept. I fall in love with him after seeing GBGB mv, he looked so cool there, before that i wasn't paying that much attention to him, to be honest. But now he is my favorite member. I think the moas who actually care about txt members opinion, will never judge them for being who they are. There always will be people who is just don't mature themselves so they would say "oh how dare you to change so much!" Kai said that he want to make his solo debut with more a mature and "sexy???" Vibe i guess, at least that's what he said, if i am not mistaking. Also i don't know if it's just me who thinks that, but i don't think that Hueningkai is hating to be cute, in fact i feels like he enjoying it at certain level. Taehyun's personality is so amazing and i generaly look up to him. Just as kai, he can be cute and sexy, and we would love both sides. The reason why people think he is smart is also because the way he speaks, he is not only saying some random facts, but also using high level word, like a book level vocabulary, it feels like he always know exactly what he wants to say. Maybe It's not that clear when you watch him in English, but when you know korean, you can feel it. Taehyun is not a magician, he is magical himself ✨ And aslo, i think being "cute baby" for the fans is better than being a "hot man", because when people start to see them as "men", you know, fans sometimes become too delulu, and it's not funny. Last thing, i love the maknaes and their friendship so much. In my first ever txt album i got Kai and Taehyun, i was so happy ❤ I see all the members more as a brothers and not as boyfriends. They really remainding me of my own brothers.
I started stanning them really late, in 2024. At first he wasn't my bias but as time passed by. I started loving him so much that he has been my bias throughout the whole year (with taehyun being my bias wrecker) the reason why he is my bias is because i really loved his unique vocal tone and we loved the same genre of music. I have seen so many moas say his vocal improved but i have seen their old performances and he was already good? What do y'all mean by "improved" and i have also seen so many people saying he has a glow up this year. Be fr, ya'll never paid attention to him. He was never ugly. He was always glowing. People ignored him and when he started working out, people suddenly started talking about him.. it shows how people are such shameless. They only care about the body. Which clearly shows in taehyun's case. Taehyun get really less attention. Whenever i see other member biased moa talk about him, they are either talking about his body or abs.. this is so annoying. Talk about his singing, dancing. why are people so perverted..
@@МОАкашка-я3ж and another thing. Kai sometimes reminds me of my brother. His struggles and my brothers struggles are kinda same. Taking care of 3 females as the only one male in the family.
YESS EXACTLY! I keep seeing TikTok edits with Taehyun and Huening Kai (and other idols) being oversexualized where people will literally talk about impregnating them and getting off to photos of them! like it’s absolutely insane and the comments are just as wild and disgusting it’s so sad.
This was so beautifully said thank you for making this video i’ve been a moa only since 2022 this video gave me a better understanding from what was happening from the start and why i see comments like this it all makes sense now
i dont think i've ever seen kai as a baby the way a lot of other moas do but i've always noticed that i subconciously view them differently and it might be because of their personalities. i've always thought taehyun was a cutie tbf and kai has always been so multifaceted with all his different talents which is why i dont get why people only focus on kai being 'the baby' and taehyun's physical appearance. like yeah its attractive and im not gonna lie i've had my moments of simping but before any of that its his voice and overall charm that i like the most. and same goes for kai. i'm so amazed by this man's skill in his music and singing as well as his overall personality where he just radiates positivity and he's also so incredibly charismatic that i cant help but fall in love with the way he performs. this may not be completely relevant but i feel like kpop in general has an issue with sticking a label onto an idol and that becomes their entire personality for the rest of their career. beomgyu is a good example of this where hes always seen as the loud boisterous one when he is also calm and sentimental in his solo lives but the label of being loud and the 'fake maknae' follow him around more than the other parts of his personality and i feel that the maknaes have both experienced this too which is really disappointing. i just realised how much i've yapped...oops
@@eijaneiga yeahh exactly and i feel like that side of his is very underlooked by a lot of fans even tho he seems to show that side of him quite often. like on tiktok i see a lot of videos about beomgyu being the 'crazy' one in txt but thats not the only thing about him?
I am an Army and I have been so confused about this for years. I kept thinking “aw cute! They have two maknaes! I wonder what kind of maknae nicknames they will get and trouble they will get into.” But I noticed Kai was usually the one mentioned as maknae. I even made a comment once on Twitter asking about it, but it was ignored. I thought since I’m not in the fandom, maybe I just don’t get it and no one seems eager to explain, so I moved on. I’m glad someone is finally talking about it cause I also wondered if this upset the members themselves at all.
Many moas seem to even get angry if someone calls Taehyun maknae and always comment clarifying that the maknae is just kai, they take that title so seriously as if only one member could be called that when both were born in the same year
@@eijaneiga I said many moas not all, and I mean when only Taehyun is mentioned and they call him the maknae, I've seen it many times as they always start to correct that the maknae is kai and not him
I'm not a moa and I've never really interacted with the fandom, I've just kept up with txt title tracks as their music is generally good so learning how the fandom treats these two members is so wild to me. My impression of the two is so different from that as an outsider to the fandom. I've always seen Taehyun as a member whos passionate about singing (idk if he really is, but he looks like he is?) and Kai as a member who's really well rounded and looks ethereal. My perception of txt at debut was 'oh theyre babies' but it's been quite a lot of years already so these days I just see them as a bg that can pull off a lot of concepts and the maknaes are all grown up and both of them look more mature overall. Point is, a distinction like that between them doesn't make any sense unless you've spent years in the fandom I guess
I think that is what Kai and Jungkook has in common alot of army's still treat jungkook as a innocent naive baby when he isn't Kai and jungkook are both adults now I guranteed their innocents on adult things is literally gone I hope peoppe will start treating them as an adult and not a baby that needs to be protected 24/7 it's annoying. I think in all of kpop this is a problem since the maknaes is the youngest they will get treated like a baby that needs to be protected it is hoenstly so so so very annoying and a habit that all of kpop needs to break this has been a problem for years now. I'm so glad you bring it up because Moas (not all of them) Kai is not a baby he's an adult that can think for himself and that can protect himself he doesn't need another mother he already has one.
Most ARMYs were fine with JK’s mature presentation of his solo music. Whoever didn’t like it were in the minority & most were solos. I hope that txt fans can move on & understand we all grow up. I’m hoping it’s the minority of TXT fans who may feel differently about the mal sea. Love TXT. Wish them the best. Fans need to realize their idols are not their caricature or role but complex human beings. Once fans see them as the humans they are this silliness will stop.
I know people who still infantilise the shit outta Huening and it's so frustrating. I'll say something like "oh my god he looks so hot in that outfit," or "god he's sexy" when watching a stage, and they're like "I still see him as a baby" or "I can't see him like that, to me ,he's still 17." WHAT
This was a greatly presented video, i agree with everything you mentioned. Though I have never been that bothered with calling kai a "baby" or saying that taehyun is hot, I could never stand it with people oversexualizing them and restricting things they could do. THEY ARE THEIR OWN PEOPLE YOU DO NOT OWN THEM AND NEITHER DO THEY OWE YOU YOUR FANTASIZED PERCEPTIONS OF THEM LET THEM LIVE AND GROW
I get some people were surprised when Kai started acting more mature, since we were used to his cute image. But eventually you need to realize he is not a child. Just because he had that cute image that doesn’t mean that him maturing is something bad. Personally, I see that Kai with some nostalgia and find it cute, but I really love this new version of him. And if he is comfortable like that then he should be free to show that side of him.
Taehyun has been my ult since day ome and it hurts so much how he's been treated. Once he became 'sexy' suddenly everyone loved him and forgot how before then he was usually the least favorite member. I saw so many people say Taehyun was ugly, cold, weird, visual hole, and made fun of for being short. But now that he has abs that is all he is worth. Taehyun is super talented just like the other members. His vocals are amazing. I wish more people would focus on all his other points instead of just his looks
Treating him as a grown up just because he acted more mature and wise.. And he seemed more independent.. Erm.. chill.. One thing is to not know someone's age and think they are older but treating him as an adult as a minor is a huge no no
That is something that can be dangerous for someone, especially if they are still young. You treat this kid like he is an adult, soon many people see him that way and disregard his actual age so then he gets less protection that he most likely still needs and he has grown adults getting too close to him that could take advantage of him. No matter how smart, wise, and mature he appears to be, he is still young. That could lead to some very bad occurrences, as have been the case many times in the history of the entertainment industry. It doesn't matter what country you are from, there are people like that anywhere. Even if something like that didn't happen, I wonder what damage was done to Taehyun's mental wellbeing from that constant barrage of his so called fans hitting him with comments of a sexual nature or worse for years without being protected by other fans because they believe that he can "take care of himself" or he "brought it on himself" or he's "mature enough to handle it". This goes for the other idols as well. Do these people out there commenting and posting to their "favorite idols" even bother to consider those idols mental health and wellbeing. And they say that they "love them". Please. That's not love. Then they go to comment on the idols that they hate and I cannot believe they would say those things to a human being that isn't a murderer, child abuser, etc. but just an entertainer in a KPOP group that didn't deserve such hate and did nothing but not be someone elses taste or style or personality. I read those comments and I'm like, what the hell is wrong with people. You are attacking an innocent person. They did NOTHING to you! Anyway, Sorry, rant over. Had to get that out.
@ I agree with you! I have a feeling it can also pressure someone to grow up faster because it’s almost expected for them to act a certain way to fit a mold
Just yesterday I was watching a reactor react to male K-pop idol edits. When Kai came out she smiled and didn’t say much but she gave quite the dramatic reaction for every other member. I thought it was it bit odd but told myself not to jump to conclusions and continued watching. When a more mature edit of Kai popped up the reactor paused, smiled and said she will always love Kai and she will always view him as a baby……listen idk why I was like um…okay 🤷🏽♀️. Maybe because she stated the usual spill everyone gives “How can anyone not love Kai. He’s so precious etc.” and I ate that ish up 😭. Like yes we all love Kai but I was completely torn between whether I was overreaching thinking she was infantilizing him. Yet there were other idols in that compilation born in 04 and 05 and she was freaking out over them and their “hotness” but not Kai. Unfortunately I fear some people may never let go of his maknae image. What will it take to get these people to realize he’s not the same 16 year old boy who debuted in txt!??
the problem is that kpop stans act in extremes and for some reason they think there's no grey area between infantilization and sexualization. it is possible to be NORMAL about your favs!
Kai's Maknae image is cute, adorable, etc. But, like he's an adult let him be one. I don't care if he's the youngest. He's an adult. Taehyun is way over sexualized. I see every member as grown adults, they have a mind. And in what case did moa's have control on how they control their lives?! Like 😭 why! I literally had to pause this over 10 times to calm myself down.
Wow, this is a very interesting video I did not expect to be recommended but honestly, you make great points. I will share my own view.. Kai is one of those members that I don't bias or anything or I never bring up too much. I honestly just see not only Kai but the other members as they come and go and I would never judge them by a video or two or old videos. Taehyun, I would say he's my "second bias" tied up with Yeonjun. Look, Taehyun is one of my ults in terms of biases and as I got to know more of his personality, I saw the soft and kinder side of him. I used to think he was scary. I feel we should never let a video or two or things that are commonly associated with someone be their own identity. People change, so can idols, they are people.
More to Kai... I saw him grow and mature. I wasn't aware he got rid of many plushies but I am happy seeing him embrace his growth as a person. I am very proud of him. If he wants to be sexy and have a more cool vibe, then so be it. I will support him. Seeing Kai go from the teenager he was to this cool guy that sings better day by day. I won't judge decisions he makes, he is grown.
i feel like someone who did that transition that kai is trying to achieve really well is eric from tbz. he started out with a more boyish concept too but nowadays, he's pretty fatal on stage and treated as an adult by most fans (atleast the deobis i know)
istg if MOAs keep calling him a baby he might start thinking that ppl think he's immature, and yes the member I found cutest was also Taehyun when I first started stanning TXT in 2019 or 2020. And I also agree with you saying that Taehyun only gets noticed for his body and not talents like wtf he's a human too, he's a SINGER so give him attention for his singing not body, yes you can compliment his body but don't make it sexual it doesn't matter how old an idol is, no matter what age a human WILL feel uncomfortable if you sexualize them. let your idols grow up wtf let them be themselves, let them explore new styles/personas etc. you don't own them (and for the MOAs who think Kai has an "innocent" mind YA'LL FR THINK HE DON'T KNOW ABT THAT STUFF? LIKE CMON HES 23 WTF OFC HE KNOWS.
Have you noticed that when Kai is with his sisters, esp. w Hiyyih, he does not appear to be a baby, as Hiyyih is the maknae of their family, Also, the "Hueningkai wants to start a band" series showed his more mature side. With Taehyun, I agree: I have seen some really disturbing writings on him, like with the bar incident "he got himself some b-tches". How come such a caring and supporting person for other TXT members is seen like that? Yes, he is really good-looking, but let's also compliment his singing abilities, or that he has written more lyrics for TXT than any other member.
@@eijaneiga definitely. I don’t know if you’ve noticed this too, but I’ve come across so many videos of people twerking and they’re captioned as “me trying to convince Taehyun to dye his hair pink again”. If that were me I’d be mortified 🧍♀️
I find it weird how people think it’s sensitive to believe saying things like “just give me 5 minutes and a hair tie” is disgusting. It might just be me but I feel like they are sexualizing the idol when they say that. It’s weird when they excuse it as a joke and call the person who called them out “sensitive”.
I don’t really consider myself a moa because i don’t follow much of their news but i love them as a fan of their music and content since debut so I actually never knew this was the case in their fandom just because i’ve always thought taehyun was naturally soooo cute (reason why he’s my bias and kai is my second bias) and kai was more on the handsomer side, though he does act cute more but i thought it was mainly because he’s naturally like that. I did not know it was because of fans infantilising him, which is very sad. I also did not know fans sexualise taehyun just because he works out (which is actually an issue in kpop honestly. People need to realise the difference between admiring someone’s beauty and thinking they’re hot, and sexualising them to the point you ‘want their babies’ or do dirty things with them. It’s always been creepy to me). Thanks for sharing light into this topic :) This video was an eye opener to me, can’t believe i actually watched the whole thing 😅
Great video! But, as a Blink since debut, one slight correction. Lisa was never infantilized as the maknae. BP was a rare group where, when they debuted, they were all already adults. Lisa did act cute on varieties and stuff but there was barely any BP content at all for like the 1st year of their debut. So, I would say that the Lisa from BPs videos made the biggest impression on fans at that time and that view of Lisa being the cool and charismatic performer stayed with us. That being said, the people losing their minds over her crazy horse performance were, for the most part, not even Blinks. And, I would say, those same people (except the ones that were just doing it because they were BP-antis) would have had the same reaction whether it was Jisoo (the oldest in BP) or even one of the SNSD members that performed. And that's because Kpop idols and Korean celebrities in general, just don't do those kinds of overtly... more adult performances. So it was Kpop shocking rather than having anything to do with Lisa's maknae status. And, to show that this is true, just look at the reaction for Jennie's appearance in the Idol.Jennie is the 2nd oldest in BP and I would say she got even more hate for doing that show than Lisa did. Overall though I completely agree with your points and I've seen it a million times. It's just that BP isn't one of those groups. Also, I would say that kind of attitude it way more common with boy groups in general. In fact, I can't think of an instance of it actually happening even with Wonyoung who has been in the public eye since she was 13 and Somi who was the same age (in Sixteen). I can predict that it may happen in LSF since the members and the fandom are very protective of Eunchae but no evidence yet. Usually GG members are able to transition more easily into being adults than boy group members (in terms of fan reaction).
I agree with everything that was stated in this video. I'm newer kpop stan and I before I started to like kpop I've been avoiding it cuz I hear it it toxic( most of the fandoms) I started liking kpop in August 2030 cuz I was bored and I thought It wasn't that bad but now I see. I wanted to quit liking kpop cuz i hate the fans, either they are extremely cringy or just straight up crazy and also lose interest in things quickly. I still like kpop music though. ps Im sorry for oversharing I have to no friends to talk to about this stuff. thank you for making this video i hope delusion fans see this and wake up to reality.
i love kai and tae and honestly dont understand how you can isolate a single part of a person (childish/cutesy nature and/or body appeal). its disgusting. As a big group with a massive fandom, im kinda surprised this happens so much, but then again, "they're idols they don't know i exist they don't know/care". Yes they do. And it's your fault.
Ngl I don’t care if they get mature or not I’ll still treat them normally. And some people need to realize that they’re adults not some random middle schoolers or something.
something i've also noticed (and im not accusing any idol of anything) is that generally kpop group members never/hardly baby their second youngest members even if that member is the same age as the maknae or a year older but still underage. Examples are taehyun of txt, garam of lsrfm (who was just a year older to eunchae but never babied) Megan of katseye (who is not a kpop idol but katseye also uses the maknae concept. And even though she's just a year older to the maknae who was 15 she was never babied and allowed to twerk or act sexy). And mannyyyy other groups. I'm not saying that the members of these group are doing something wrong or that they never baby these members but it's just a phenomenon i've noticed both from the members and fans
i rlly hate how babied kai is.. i remember when he was on live recently and he said he was drinking less carbonated/sweet drinks and eating less sweets to better his health and some moas (specifically ningdungies) were popping veins and overanalyzing it. and also saying ‘we’re losing our roots!’ just bc he wants to take care of his health.. i rlly don’t understand
Going to unnecessarily over explain here but, ningdungies hate Kai being babied. Those jokes are *jokingly* being overdramatic over Kai saying he doesn’t eat something we’ve known he loves since debut as often anymore. Moawajjunies have the same reaction when yeonjun mentions he hasn’t been able to eat ramen in awhile, its a joke. You’ll be able to tell between the majority joking and few genuinely tweaking if you analyze at all. I did see people freaking out over him being on a diet in those quotes but those weren’t “specifically ningdungies” and saying “we’re losing our roots” is not even close to that.
people treat idols like characters and not like people who grow up and change and have feelings just like everyone else. it’s a lack of empathy and respect and it needs to stop.
You put a lot effort into this video.i was really informative in the sense I am a new moa and didn't know about this all I just considered them as uk ...talented ppl but honestly this is all lot of new info
Dang I agree like I. Saw kai as a human man in most countries when you turn 18 your an adult I literally stopped treating anyone who is is 18 or about to turn 18 I treated. Them like adults but trust me I do not sexualize anyone I just merely am a fan because of their awesome stage auras and personality 😅
as a kai ult his personality and lifestyle is uncommon in society so i think those people think like that are friendless, if they knew the fact that he can do everything even in that personality they wont react like he is a baby or sth and an another FACT is he is not very masculine both showing himself and personality thats a factor ab this prob and some people dont even know kai are over masculinize him
Ooh I never thought about that. The way they view his masculinity does play a part in how they treat him. How insulting. Moas do something similar to Beomgyu by calling him “babygirl” and “princess”. It’s supposed to be a joke but I wonder if he’d be bothered by those comments.
@@_harley_1288 i think kai is kinda a androgynous person both appearence he prefers and personality wise, i know cuz im exactly like that too people should understand that and dont overbabying or overmasculinizing him
i mean if you're watching youtube shorts a lot, you'll see these kinds of people ( maybe it's because of the age range or the cringeness), but in the other platforms you probably won't see that
just a few days ago a big kai account on twitter got exposed for bookmarking deepfakes of kai nsfw situations, a lot of them with his face when he was a teenager . It's very disturbing. they were practically obsessed with calling him babygirl and shipping him with soobin and seeing kai as the bottom of the pair. i was in a group chat with them, and anytime someone mentions kai working out or doing so-called manly stuff they jump. I didnt think much at first but it all makes sense now. When i watch some kais content and think back about their reaction my smile drops, there's actually a double meaning in all their posts that i didnt see before. It's just pure evil, they didn't see him as human but instead a character and the fact that they consume illegal content while acting all innocent on their big account
Sorry for the long comment, im just very angry and disappointed and traumatised. I wish people would just see them for who they are, for who they present to us and accept all of that. They're humans and all humans are multifaceted, we dont need to put them in any boxes, that way they would be more comfortable showing their real personality to us too
Watching this as someone who is not a Moa and only listens to TXT casually, I'm really surprised that fans have these views. I always thought Taehyun was very shy and adorable while Kai was more bubbly and outgoing. To me the rigid kpop ideas of "cute youthfulness/innocence" and "sensual maturity" are honestly a little ridiculous, when anyone from age 16 or older can showcase either or both of those traits without it reflecting their age or anything, because maturing happens in a different way and on a different timeline for everyone, and also at the end of the day they are performers, so how they act onstage doesn't always reflect who they are as a person. I think fans just need to remember that we don't know these people personally so we should try to avoid typecasting them (even if the company is trying to push a certain image) and allow them to be who they are offstage, because real humans have constantly changing personalities and it's not healthy to try to prevent that process just because fans are afraid of change.
as a man, yes we do love getting "attention on our bodies, especially when were muscular and fit" - because muscles are what we work hard for they dont just appear like. I swear most gorls have no idea how much effort it takes to get abs and how much we apprecitate a compliment. If we pull our shirt up, its on us so of course we dont mind being objectified to that degree
Thats you. You do not speak on behalf of all men as all men are not ok with objectification and do feel bad about it. Appreciation for your hard work isnt the same as being objectified either btw.
Taehyunnn is cuteeee !!! And his tiny voices! But I am a toddler moa :/ so Taehyun is the cutest, kai look unreal ! Kai is glowing up, like he is becoming unreal like a character from final fantasy! And I like your opinions :> I didnt know it's like that for other moa. Oh and I hope they don't need to sell their skin any much more. Like I was kinda upset that beomgyu forced himself to wear something he wasn't comfortable with (deja vu more revealing) because fans pushed him.... they didn't even push moa for a DAESANG😢🤬 me and my friend moa just want them to be happy and comfortable. And daesang.... hope they won't lose fans for this break 😢 though as an army, a break would be good fandom cleansing.... but daesang ...
Infantalization with idols like him is insane😭 and now suddenly they are in love with Tyunning and thinking they’re hot and important now. Don’t act like you care about them now🙄 you just want someone to baby for your own satisfaction. Fandom cleanse PLEASE.
At some point in time, I realized Kai was infantilized and Taehyun is over sexualized but I never compared the two. When you put it into perspective like this, it’s shocking.
some moas are still stuck in 2019 they think kai is a still minor 😭
Ikr.. it's so annoying when people say "kai cant drink cuz he is a baby" it pisses me off so much... He himself revealed that he drinks but not on camera... Some moas be acting like old aunts
exactly like i do keep forgetting that he's older but I don't treat him like most moas are cus how hella weird it is
Oh my gosh yes, like he's a grown up adult now🤦♀️
as a kai and tae ult, this hurts. one is treated as if he was an infant, and the other is treated like his body is the only thing important about him. both are bad, and i hope they get the treatment they deserve in the future.
Right now, I think Kai is just living his adult life by doing more “adult” things, but he might also be simultaneously trying to shed the maknae image. I think last year he mentioned that he got rid of almost all of his plushies (which is totally normal) and it seems that he’s finding his style. He even recently got piercings after not having them all these years since he was afraid it would ruin his cute image. He’s wearing less hoodies and sweatpants and more comfortable, yet stylish clothing. As you know, he’s also been working out and embracing more of a sexy and mature side on stage and I love that for him. He’s simply growing and discovering more about himself. I can only hope moas will let him do that in peace.
**edit:* I am NOT treating Taehyun like a child by saying the following things. Pls scroll down and read my reply in this thread if you don’t understand or need full context…
As for Taehyun, I agree with everything you said. I mentioned in the other comment section the problems with over sexualization in editing and it certainly happens with Taehyun a lot. It’s disgusting to see people make those comments. I’ve seen the argument that if someone is an adult the fans can sexualize them as they please, which is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. Like what happened to consent? He is a human being with human emotions and ofc he wants to be viewed and treated as one. Like why are we even having this conversation? Kpop fans be normal challenge: failed 💀
“K-pop fans be normal challenge: failed” 🤣
@@Kkttrr31643 No, that is not what I mean at all. You don’t have the context behind my post. In my initial statement, I mention how I made a comment regarding sexy edits, but what I did not mention specifically is what I said in the comment. If you’d like to see this comment about edits, it is under the video “no, your idol is not your babygirl” by the creator of this video. In that comment I made sure to mention that it is perfectly ok to think the guys are sexy, especially if they are intentionally acting that way. I am well aware that they are grown men. I have no problem with them being sexy and being perceived that way. I think they are too. What is not ok, is fans overstepping boundaries. I have seen several edits where there will be clips used of one of the members literally just doing normal things (not with the intention of being sexy) and the editor makes a conscious decision to sexualize them. For example, I once saw a Huening Kai edit where an editor used a clip of Kai when he was playing a game with the members. It was just a fun, silly game. They had to catch whipped cream in their mouths, which Kai failed to do, so it ended up all over his face. The editor took this harmless clip and sexualized it for their own pleasure. This behavior is too normalized among fans. I even saw people in the comments saying stuff like “I wish he’d *** in me” (use your imagination to fill in the blank) or “I’d lick that off of him.” I hope you can understand how that’s problematic. I bet they wouldn’t say that about some random dude they find attractive on the street. They’re objectifying Kai and sexualizing him at a time where he was not intending to be sexualized. It’s ok if it’s consensual but I doubt the average person would be ok with that. Also, I know some idols like and even embrace such comments and if they do that is perfectly fine. I’m just saying, I’m sure a lot of them would not appreciate sexualization in that context.
@@Kkttrr31643 My original reply to you disappeared. Basically, what I said is, you misunderstood this comment and took it out of context. I am well aware that TXT are grown men and I have no problem with them being sexy and wanting to be perceived that way. I view them that way as well. For context, the creator of this video has another video called “No, your idol is not your babygirl” and in that video I made a comment about sexualizing idols in edits. I encourage you to read the full thing for complete understanding but I will explain it here anyway. I mentioned how I’ve seen a lot of edits sexualize members from clips that were never supposed to be sexual. For example, I saw a Huening Kai edit and in one of the clips he was playing a game with the members where they tried to catch whipped cream in their mouths. It was a fun, silly game, and the editor took a normal clip and made it sexual. That is completely objectifying. The comment section of the edit included things such as “I want him to … in me” and “I’d l**k that off of him.” All for a clip of him having fun with no intention of being sexualized. I hope you can see the problem with that. It was NOT consensual. Their sexy dance moves, thirst trap photos from Taehyun, suggestive lyrics, etc. ARE consensual. I hope this clears things up. There is a difference. Also, I know some “idols” are perfectly fine with hearing and seeing comments like that and even encourage it but I’m speaking for those who wouldn’t be.
@@Kkttrr31643 Don’t mind the asterisks in this reply, I have to censor it so my comment doesn’t get deleted again. You misunderstood this comment and took it out of context. I am well aware that TXT are grown men and I have no problem with them being s**y and wanting to be perceived that way. I view them that way as well. For context, the creator of this video has another video called “No, your idol is not your babygirl” and in that video I made a comment about s****lizing idols in edits. I encourage you to read the full thing for complete understanding but I will explain it here anyway. I mentioned how I’ve seen a lot of edits s****lize members from clips that were never supposed to be s***al. For example, I saw a Huening Kai edit and in one of the clips he was playing a game with the members where they tried to catch whipped cream in their mouths. It was a fun, silly game, and the editor took a normal clip and made it s***al. That is completely objectifying. The comment section of the edit included things such as “I want him to … in me” and “I’d l**k that off of him.” All for a clip of him having fun with no intention of being s****lized. It was NOT consensual. Their s**y dance moves, thirst trap photos, suggestive lyrics, etc. ARE consensual. I hope this clears things up. There is a difference. Also, I know some “idols” are perfectly fine with hearing and seeing comments like that and even encourage it but I’m talking about those who wouldn’t be.
kai actually still doesn't have any piercings and he didn't throw away all of his plushies, just cleaned them out. which is completely okay! adults also enjoy stuffed animals and dont have to have piercings
Totally agree. Another problem I see is with fans becoming too delusional and parasocial about people they don't personally know. I like kpop but this is the hardest thing to deal with when being a stan, the weird fans that don't know boundries or how to treat people like people. Especially when it comes to sexualizing idols
Exactly. It’s exhausting. I sometimes think of permanently stepping away from the fandom spaces and stanning in silence because I can’t deal with the delusions.
It’s even sadder because kpop companies capitalise off stuff like this, it’s why we get so much content from them involving their personal lives. To some extent I understand, it helps you feel closer to the members and appreciate them so much more, but it gets to a point where obsession and actually believing you know them becomes overwhelming.
I feel bad when they have to do aegyo 😢
@tubatulvr this is just a reminder that everything in kpop is calculated and almost nothing is authentic. Even the personalities we love are often perfectly curated for each group and designated to certain members 😕 I often wonder how much of what we’re seeing are the members true selves.
@@imsoshockaid Oh yeah definitely. I’m sure some idols are genuine, but even if they are, it’s never 100% real, because there are parts of themselves that they wouldn’t show on camera.
Also recently when kai shared that he doesn't drink grape juice and egg tart often and stopped drinking soft drinks instead he preferred to drink green tea and healthy food at that time Moas had a meltdown saying what happened to kai 😭 bffr he's growing up and prefers to eat healthy food like any adults
Or when he threw out the majority of his plushies 💀 like sorry y’all we’re all humans we’re bound to grow out of things 😭
@@txt.moa_luvs literally 😭 also tysm for making this video
@@txt.moa_luvsit makes me wonder if he got rid of them because it added fuel to the way fans treated him like a baby that needed to be coddled, or if he genuinely felt like he himself truly grew out of them. I still have my stuffies and I’m older than Kai. I hope he didn’t feel pressured into giving them away when he didn’t want to do so.
I was on board with the comment until you said "prefers to eat healthy food like any adults", like HUH??
What does being an adult have to do with preferring healthy food? Do you know how many adults prefer junk food over eating healthy??
I'm practically the same age as Kai (3 months younger) and I don't eat super healthy EVEN IF I know I should-
Cold?! Taehyun?! I would never think of him that way! And I'm not even a MOA. It's crazy that some MOAs see him as cold. To me, he's the exact opposite - kind and caring.
As for Kai... Guys, he's 22, not 5. It's so frustrating how some fans infantilize maknaes just because they're the youngest. Members treating them like maknaes is fine because they are maknaes for their hyungs. But fans need to know their boundaries!
@@lika17carat heavy on the second to last sentence
I am a Tyun stan and THIS. I saw a video of TXT iconic moments and it didn't even include Tyun and I was like- what? His high notes are THE best thing. I have been in love with his voice for ages. Yes, I do like his edits and he does have a sexy persona but he is such a gentle and mature person. He always compliments his members' insecurities. Whenever Beomgyu is talking and the other 3 (maybe to tease him or maybe they didn't realize) talk over him and Beomgyu becomes quiet, Terry always tells him to go on as he is listening. He is such a sweet person and he deserves more☹️💗
12:05 that's what I'm saying! He has natural aegyo. He doesn't need to act cute, he IS cute!
Also a terry stan from debut, his smile and little happy sounds when scared or happy during ToDo are what I find the most cute🥰. Go off Queen, u also a savage.
What bothers me is some moas suddenly calling Hueningkai hot, because he buffed up and grew. That means that all this time they thought he was ugly. Yeonjun, Soobin and Beomgyu never had to change to prove they’re attractive and it’s unfair. With Taehyun, I’ve noticed that his popularity is incompetent and competent at the same time. Some comebacks he’s popular then the next he’s blown to the wind. Also whenever moas talk about him half of the time or sometimes even all the time it’s about his abs or something about his body. With the other members it’s different, there’s still a good portion of decent fans who talk about their memes or something funny. But with Taehyun it’s always about how he’s not a baby boy anymore and that his waist is snatched. I feel so bad to taehyun and hueningkai, these two have always been separated from the group since the beginning….
Omg THIS. I have seen so many people saying "kai has glown up" "kai had a glow up this year" when he was already glowing all these years? Ya'll just didn't see his mature side, everyone ignored it. Sadly i wasnt a moa at that time, i just became a moa like in 2024 but i have seen their old videos. He was never ugly or bad looking tho... The only difference was he was younger and since moas called him cute, he kept his cute image in sake of moa. There are a lor of occasions where we see other members fighting or playing around and he is just sitting and laughing at them. It shows that he was already matured up. Now just because he started to work out, people are suddenly calling him hot and he is gaining attention.. this is so stupid. People didn't give him attention before when he didn't work out... This is so annoying to think about.. he is basically my bias. He became my bias because i really liked his unique vocal tone and that time i loved his blue hair alot and he is still my bias till this day.
i have been kai biased since debut and honestly i agree like what
People only see taehyun's body most of the time... Like come on, talka about his incredible dance skills, his vocal, his visual but no. Why do ya'll have to be so perverted? I never knew that some moas can go so low and be a pervert.. whenever he uploads a tiktok, people mostly talk about his waist and abs which is covered with his clothes and barely seen in those videos 😭
I would say they are different. No matter what, taehyun and kai are different. They have their own style and personality. Kai loves to make people laugh and play around where taehyun prefers to watch and encourage. Taehyun is also playful. I mean no matter what taehyun does, he looks cute. How do people even se*ualize him... And for kai. He will just stand still and breath and my heart flutters. Even before he was buff and all...
@ILoveHyukaTooMuch I actually like this, kai is my bias too. The reasons for you to like him are the very same reasons I like him. Of course, he's handsome, but I think it's a good thing to like a group member or a group because of their talent, since they are artists. That forms a healthy relationship between the artist and the fan.❤
@@khanyiiKay the reason why he is still my bias is because we like the same genre of music. No wonder i loved dear sputnik in the first listen. Tbh I don't think there is anything i dont like about him. I like his vocals, his rap style, his songwriting, his production, his handsome face, his 50 different shades of laugh, his dance style, his body proportion, his smile, his jokes, his facial expressions, his performances, his habits etc (there are so many more reasons) and im glad i paid attention to him because if i didn't, i wouldn't have any ult (kai is my ult bias)
Kai is maturing very well, it's natural that at his age a lot of Moa find him very attractive and, dare I say, modestly sexy. Yet a lot of other Moa are still stuck in this mindset that he's still a 'baby' and if you comment on how flirtatious and low-key sexy he can be, these Moa will come at you angrily for 'sexualizing' him. He's going to be 23 this year! Let the guy be an adult! People can find him attractive and physically appealing without being creepy and pervy!
And this might not have anything to do with anything, but people tend to forget that Kai is only the maknae of the group. In real life, he's a middle child AND an older brother. From what we've seen in various content that feature sisters, his maturity is more than evident.
@@Emgee78 yeah it’s kinda ironic that Kai, the youngest of his group, is the only one who has a younger sibling, everyone else has either an older sibling or is an only child
The whole video just proves my point about how dumb the maknae position actually is. Almost every maknae in KPop I can think about has this problem with fans not wanting them to grow and become more mature. This is why we need this position to go
I totally agree. The maknae position has forced so many idols into a box where it’s only acceptable for them to be childish and act way younger than their age. Taehyun and Kai are grown ass adults. They can drink, they can lean into sex appeal, they can do whatever the fuck they want. It’s the maknae position that’s holding them back from becoming who they want to be in the eyes of their fans.
YES
On X/Twitter, it's literally the opposite now: HueningKai is oversexualized, and Taehyun is the cute Maknae. Moas are calling that out, but I haven't seen UA-cam videos discussing this. Kai even said on a live that the reason he would act cute was because trainees said he should, so he started acting like that. He wasn't always like that. Oversexualizing Taehyun only started when he started going to the gym, something he wanted to do, but Bighit would not let him. I hate fans' excuses of him being an adult, because there are edits when, internationally he was 17. During TXT's debut, the whole group concept was cute, so in the beginning, everyone was seen as cute. To this day, if you search debut-era videos, there are comments saying they are so cute.
Kai's cute image changing reminded me of Enhypen Sunoo. Someone commented that Sunoo was their bias, but because he is not acting cute all the time, they are starting to become less of one and now, just like all the members. I saw comments similar with how Kai is acting. They are not always going to act cute, so I don't really understand if that fan should claim they are a huge Sunoo stan. Whether you are OT whatever or have a bias, I don't think people are really one until they learn to accept all of their traits. They are human, so they will look cute or hot, act cool or funny. Also, understand they are growing up, so maybe they won't act fully like they did when they were younger. A fan loves all of their personalities.
This is a similar thing I am noticing with fans. They like them cute, and when an idol is young, they will act cute for the fans. But the more they grow into an adult, the more embarrassing it feels. I don't think you would be a huge fan if you only liked him when he was being cute.
😭😭😭😭oh Lord these stupid af fans!! God forbid idols mature with age. They act like God betrayed them or something
i could not agree more with this. the two have never been treated the same as the choi line and it just sucks. the fact kai is so babied by some fans and taehyun is the exact opposite only viewed for his body is so disgusting and disappointing imo. it’s so unfortunate when idols get sexualized like taehyun and also babied and forced to “stay young” like kai. moas who treat tyunning differently make me so incredibly mad
Kai is being forced to stay young and cute and Taehyun was forced to mature.Anytime I see a MOA go “my baby ____” i cringe like please these men are 22-25 years old they can drink and they can go clubbing and i don’t even think it was for the way they presented themselves in the beginning that fans act the way they do when the find out a member was drinking,smoking,clubbing,etc. I think it’s just crazy fans that have created these Parasocial relationship between them and TXT…
(Yes they’re some times where I will go “aww he looks so cute” or catch myself looking at Taehyuns workout posts but I don’t go to the point where I’m sexualizing or infantilized them)
I also sometimes use the my baby for my ults when I feel sad about something that happened to them or when they look extremely cute but not actually infantilizing them. I admit there are sometimes that I'm scared to simp for a Ni-ki post(just because I'm 5 MONTHS older😭) but then I consciously remind myself that he's a grown man now and I'm definitely allowed to simp
I am a MOA and like TXT because of their music and personalities❤ They give off bestfriend vibe. I listen to their music and dance to their choreos and watch their performance to boost up my mood. And i can not imagine them as boyfriends, like?? Some people are so weird
I’ve found my people FINALLY! I don’t know if it’s because me and txt have a bit of an age gap (by the time I became a fan a few years ago as a teen, they were all adults) but I’ve always looked up to them rather than thinking of them as my boyfriends. I mean Yeonjun was my first celebrity crush but at the end of the day I know I’m not marrying that man 😂. I adore their personalities, their friendship, their music and passion for what they do. I love when a music artists loves to work on their songs and tries to be involved. Txt are the reason I stayed a K-pop fan, so if anything I look up to them :)
@_harley_1288 same. Hyuka and me are 3 years apart. And I feel like it is destiny to stan TXT - I share the same birthday and month with Hyuka
@albalucky This is me, you know I even cringe at some of things they do, like a friend, while some fans find it cute or sexy. 🤣🤣🤣
@@khanyiiKay yeahhh, some times i get cringe watching them just like with my friends 😂
I think that a lot of MOAs fetishize the fact that Kai is the youngest when talking about him. Kai is one of my ult biases and has been for over two years, and I’ve always been able to see that he’s more than just a maknae but actually a talented and funny idol as well. I feel like a lot of MOAs refuse to see past his age and try to act as though he’s still sixteen. The crazy thing is that I’m as old as Kai was when he debuted, and people are treating him like a toddler, and always have. If anyone treated me like that, not only would I be frustrated and ashamed, but I would be pissed.
i agree wholeheartedly with your insights and opinions, i’ve been seeing so many double standards around tyunning ever since 2021 era. it’s genuinely sad and concerning how these “fans” or netizens are treating them
finally someone spoke about this because it was so fucking weirdd
Looking at the comments, I'm glad that there are normal K-pop stans out there. It's really hard not to be ashamed to like K-pop because of how the world views K-pop fans.They think we are all the same. And i don't blame them.
Sadly, some fans have gone too far, and there's no coming back. It's become a mental issue problem.
Never really considered a double maknae to be a thing. Given how twice’s maknae Tzuyu is only a month and half younger than Chaeyoung 😂
Wait what?? I've been a very casual Twice fan for years. I had no idea this was the case because of how differently they're treated by their fandom
Ive been a moa for a little bit more than a year, and my bias is Kai and wrecker is Taehyun. I feel like since kai has been working out more, hes been getting more popular because hes "been getting hot" (hes always been very attractive though, dont get why people are just now noticing). But i feel like people are off and on with Taehyun. Like one minute theyll bias him, and the next he'll be toyally overlooked by the fandom despite how talented he is and how addictive his singing is. Ive always thought he was super cute, he doesnt need to act cute because he IS cute.
It's actually so annoying. Like yes I think he's cute, but not in a baby way.
I also feel like it's not talked about enough how it is affecting Kai? In one of the behind the scenes videos from sanctuary era (from this one fan meet where they wore their old school uniforms) Kai literally said something like "I definitely look a lot older now. You'll still love me, right?" and even though it was probably more of a joke, it hurt me a bit bc sometimes it really does feel like he's still a bit scared to look older. I just really hope he gets to present himself how he wants to be presented and doesn't get pushed in either narrative
15:30 Wow, I’ve never thought of it this way. I really appreciate you for sharing your point of view. This was a serious event that still affects Taehyun to this day. He still doesn’t post as frequently on weverse as he did before the incident. You’re right the memes are tone deaf and it’s almost as if we’re laughing at his situation.
On the other hand, I don’t think moas meant any harm making the joke. A lot of U.S. and other international moas pride themselves for not taking rumors too seriously so we always joke about it. For us, our fave getting caught at a bar is nothing. I remember the day that news came out I was only shocked because the news was public, not because a grown man was at a club.
Another reason international fans may joke during a situation like this is because we believe jokes combat the hate and overreaction from the Korean fans. If the idols see how normal we’re acting they’ll know someone still cares about them, right? A little bit of jokes to balance out all the hate, that never hurt anyone? Now here’s the most interesting part about this topic: *the jokes help fuel international fans’ superiority complex.* Think about it, if the majority of the Korean moas are out here telling the idol to leave the group and majority of the international moas are cracking jokes about how boring the club looks and how they can give better recommendations, who do you think looks better? Although in your eyes it’d be nobody 💀 as I stated before international fans fans have a superiority complex so no matter what we do, even if it’s bad we think “well at least we’re not as bad as them”. The jokes help further push the agenda that we are their “cooler” and “more chill” fans who don’t care what they do. In reality, what our faves really need is for us to put aside our differences, and work to get those videos taken down.
@@_harley_1288 I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s noticed how infrequently Taehyun has posted ever since the event in April 2023
Oh wow. This is such a well articulated take. I’ve never thought of this before. I feel like a lot of the superiority complex battle is subconscious. Like we sometimes don’t even realize why we think we’re better, it’s just that we consider certain things to be common sense and when other people’s actions don’t align with the that, it’s easy to dismiss them completely. (I’m not saying we’re better than Korean fans btw, I’m just admitting that there are times when I believe international fans handle things a bit more appropriately. Not all the time ofc. Not all international fans are supportive the same way not all Korean fans are dismissive. Fans are still fans no matter where they’re from and there’s a mix of good and bad from both places).
Damn. I feel bad for making those jokes now...😭
@@iamjustagirlintheworldd 😭 A lot of us have good intentions making the joke and I’m sure you did too but never even realized how this could make them feel. Next time a “scandal” like this happens it might be best to send words of encouragement to them. 🫶🏽
Anyway, why can't people like them for being them ? why do we have to make their looks their whole personality.
Oh, and one thing I've realized is that most K-pop artists don't know how to show their mature self or how to introduce their mature self to their fans, and so they replace cute with sexy. Not all of them want to be seen as sexy, but they might not know how to show their mature and grown self.
Because they like to objectify. They want to know what category to put them in so they can compartmentalize in their mind and fulfill whatever sick and twisted fantasy they got going on up there 💀. Either that or they genuinely get too carried away assume they can only have one trait.
Kai is my bias, and i have a lot of moa friends who choosed kai as their bias, and we all love every side of him. No matter if it's cute or sexy. Because he truly is capable of being both. I think people who stated staning txt late they just don't know how he actually grown up. I am very proud of him, because the thing that made him my bias was his incredible talented and passion for music, and not the cutie concept. I fall in love with him after seeing GBGB mv, he looked so cool there, before that i wasn't paying that much attention to him, to be honest. But now he is my favorite member. I think the moas who actually care about txt members opinion, will never judge them for being who they are. There always will be people who is just don't mature themselves so they would say "oh how dare you to change so much!" Kai said that he want to make his solo debut with more a mature and "sexy???" Vibe i guess, at least that's what he said, if i am not mistaking.
Also i don't know if it's just me who thinks that, but i don't think that Hueningkai is hating to be cute, in fact i feels like he enjoying it at certain level.
Taehyun's personality is so amazing and i generaly look up to him. Just as kai, he can be cute and sexy, and we would love both sides. The reason why people think he is smart is also because the way he speaks, he is not only saying some random facts, but also using high level word, like a book level vocabulary, it feels like he always know exactly what he wants to say. Maybe It's not that clear when you watch him in English, but when you know korean, you can feel it. Taehyun is not a magician, he is magical himself ✨
And aslo, i think being "cute baby" for the fans is better than being a "hot man", because when people start to see them as "men", you know, fans sometimes become too delulu, and it's not funny.
Last thing, i love the maknaes and their friendship so much. In my first ever txt album i got Kai and Taehyun, i was so happy ❤
I see all the members more as a brothers and not as boyfriends. They really remainding me of my own brothers.
I started stanning them really late, in 2024. At first he wasn't my bias but as time passed by. I started loving him so much that he has been my bias throughout the whole year (with taehyun being my bias wrecker) the reason why he is my bias is because i really loved his unique vocal tone and we loved the same genre of music. I have seen so many moas say his vocal improved but i have seen their old performances and he was already good? What do y'all mean by "improved" and i have also seen so many people saying he has a glow up this year. Be fr, ya'll never paid attention to him. He was never ugly. He was always glowing. People ignored him and when he started working out, people suddenly started talking about him.. it shows how people are such shameless. They only care about the body. Which clearly shows in taehyun's case. Taehyun get really less attention. Whenever i see other member biased moa talk about him, they are either talking about his body or abs.. this is so annoying. Talk about his singing, dancing. why are people so perverted..
@@МОАкашка-я3ж and another thing. Kai sometimes reminds me of my brother. His struggles and my brothers struggles are kinda same. Taking care of 3 females as the only one male in the family.
YESS EXACTLY! I keep seeing TikTok edits with Taehyun and Huening Kai (and other idols) being oversexualized where people will literally talk about impregnating them and getting off to photos of them! like it’s absolutely insane and the comments are just as wild and disgusting it’s so sad.
This was so beautifully said thank you for making this video i’ve been a moa only since 2022 this video gave me a better understanding from what was happening from the start and why i see comments like this it all makes sense now
i dont think i've ever seen kai as a baby the way a lot of other moas do but i've always noticed that i subconciously view them differently and it might be because of their personalities. i've always thought taehyun was a cutie tbf and kai has always been so multifaceted with all his different talents which is why i dont get why people only focus on kai being 'the baby' and taehyun's physical appearance. like yeah its attractive and im not gonna lie i've had my moments of simping but before any of that its his voice and overall charm that i like the most. and same goes for kai. i'm so amazed by this man's skill in his music and singing as well as his overall personality where he just radiates positivity and he's also so incredibly charismatic that i cant help but fall in love with the way he performs. this may not be completely relevant but i feel like kpop in general has an issue with sticking a label onto an idol and that becomes their entire personality for the rest of their career. beomgyu is a good example of this where hes always seen as the loud boisterous one when he is also calm and sentimental in his solo lives but the label of being loud and the 'fake maknae' follow him around more than the other parts of his personality and i feel that the maknaes have both experienced this too which is really disappointing. i just realised how much i've yapped...oops
@kpopthings7384 I love it when people yap under my videos no worries 🥰
Definitely, Beomgyu is seen very one-sidedly, but when you watch his radio show, he is very calm, and the music he plays is cool and calm.
@@eijaneiga yeahh exactly and i feel like that side of his is very underlooked by a lot of fans even tho he seems to show that side of him quite often. like on tiktok i see a lot of videos about beomgyu being the 'crazy' one in txt but thats not the only thing about him?
I am an Army and I have been so confused about this for years. I kept thinking “aw cute! They have two maknaes! I wonder what kind of maknae nicknames they will get and trouble they will get into.” But I noticed Kai was usually the one mentioned as maknae. I even made a comment once on Twitter asking about it, but it was ignored. I thought since I’m not in the fandom, maybe I just don’t get it and no one seems eager to explain, so I moved on.
I’m glad someone is finally talking about it cause I also wondered if this upset the members themselves at all.
Many moas seem to even get angry if someone calls Taehyun maknae and always comment clarifying that the maknae is just kai, they take that title so seriously as if only one member could be called that when both were born in the same year
I am moarmy, moas often call Tyunning (Kai and Taehyun) as maknaez, meaning we recognize them both as the maknae line.
@@eijaneiga I said many moas not all, and I mean when only Taehyun is mentioned and they call him the maknae, I've seen it many times as they always start to correct that the maknae is kai and not him
I'm not a moa and I've never really interacted with the fandom, I've just kept up with txt title tracks as their music is generally good so learning how the fandom treats these two members is so wild to me. My impression of the two is so different from that as an outsider to the fandom. I've always seen Taehyun as a member whos passionate about singing (idk if he really is, but he looks like he is?) and Kai as a member who's really well rounded and looks ethereal.
My perception of txt at debut was 'oh theyre babies' but it's been quite a lot of years already so these days I just see them as a bg that can pull off a lot of concepts and the maknaes are all grown up and both of them look more mature overall. Point is, a distinction like that between them doesn't make any sense unless you've spent years in the fandom I guess
I think that is what Kai and Jungkook has in common alot of army's still treat jungkook as a innocent naive baby when he isn't Kai and jungkook are both adults now I guranteed their innocents on adult things is literally gone I hope peoppe will start treating them as an adult and not a baby that needs to be protected 24/7 it's annoying.
I think in all of kpop this is a problem since the maknaes is the youngest they will get treated like a baby that needs to be protected it is hoenstly so so so very annoying and a habit that all of kpop needs to break this has been a problem for years now.
I'm so glad you bring it up because Moas (not all of them) Kai is not a baby he's an adult that can think for himself and that can protect himself he doesn't need another mother he already has one.
Most ARMYs were fine with JK’s mature presentation of his solo music. Whoever didn’t like it were in the minority & most were solos. I hope that txt fans can move on & understand we all grow up. I’m hoping it’s the minority of TXT fans who may feel differently about the mal sea. Love TXT. Wish them the best. Fans need to realize their idols are not their caricature or role but complex human beings. Once fans see them as the humans they are this silliness will stop.
I know people who still infantilise the shit outta Huening and it's so frustrating. I'll say something like "oh my god he looks so hot in that outfit," or "god he's sexy" when watching a stage, and they're like "I still see him as a baby" or "I can't see him like that, to me ,he's still 17." WHAT
@@treetongtongenha_ oh lord 😭
@@txt.moa_luvs like what am I even supposed to say to that
This was a greatly presented video, i agree with everything you mentioned. Though I have never been that bothered with calling kai a "baby" or saying that taehyun is hot, I could never stand it with people oversexualizing them and restricting things they could do. THEY ARE THEIR OWN PEOPLE YOU DO NOT OWN THEM AND NEITHER DO THEY OWE YOU YOUR FANTASIZED PERCEPTIONS OF THEM LET THEM LIVE AND GROW
I get some people were surprised when Kai started acting more mature, since we were used to his cute image. But eventually you need to realize he is not a child. Just because he had that cute image that doesn’t mean that him maturing is something bad.
Personally, I see that Kai with some nostalgia and find it cute, but I really love this new version of him. And if he is comfortable like that then he should be free to show that side of him.
Taehyun has been my ult since day ome and it hurts so much how he's been treated. Once he became 'sexy' suddenly everyone loved him and forgot how before then he was usually the least favorite member. I saw so many people say Taehyun was ugly, cold, weird, visual hole, and made fun of for being short. But now that he has abs that is all he is worth. Taehyun is super talented just like the other members. His vocals are amazing. I wish more people would focus on all his other points instead of just his looks
THIS IS THE REALIST VIDEO I SAW ON THE INTERNET
Treating him as a grown up just because he acted more mature and wise.. And he seemed more independent.. Erm.. chill.. One thing is to not know someone's age and think they are older but treating him as an adult as a minor is a huge no no
That is something that can be dangerous for someone, especially if they are still young. You treat this kid like he is an adult, soon many people see him that way and disregard his actual age so then he gets less protection that he most likely still needs and he has grown adults getting too close to him that could take advantage of him. No matter how smart, wise, and mature he appears to be, he is still young. That could lead to some very bad occurrences, as have been the case many times in the history of the entertainment industry. It doesn't matter what country you are from, there are people like that anywhere. Even if something like that didn't happen, I wonder what damage was done to Taehyun's mental wellbeing from that constant barrage of his so called fans hitting him with comments of a sexual nature or worse for years without being protected by other fans because they believe that he can "take care of himself" or he "brought it on himself" or he's "mature enough to handle it". This goes for the other idols as well. Do these people out there commenting and posting to their "favorite idols" even bother to consider those idols mental health and wellbeing. And they say that they "love them". Please. That's not love. Then they go to comment on the idols that they hate and I cannot believe they would say those things to a human being that isn't a murderer, child abuser, etc. but just an entertainer in a KPOP group that didn't deserve such hate and did nothing but not be someone elses taste or style or personality. I read those comments and I'm like, what the hell is wrong with people. You are attacking an innocent person. They did NOTHING to you! Anyway, Sorry, rant over. Had to get that out.
@ I agree with you! I have a feeling it can also pressure someone to grow up faster because it’s almost expected for them to act a certain way to fit a mold
Just yesterday I was watching a reactor react to male K-pop idol edits. When Kai came out she smiled and didn’t say much but she gave quite the dramatic reaction for every other member. I thought it was it bit odd but told myself not to jump to conclusions and continued watching. When a more mature edit of Kai popped up the reactor paused, smiled and said she will always love Kai and she will always view him as a baby……listen idk why I was like um…okay 🤷🏽♀️. Maybe because she stated the usual spill everyone gives “How can anyone not love Kai. He’s so precious etc.” and I ate that ish up 😭. Like yes we all love Kai but I was completely torn between whether I was overreaching thinking she was infantilizing him. Yet there were other idols in that compilation born in 04 and 05 and she was freaking out over them and their “hotness” but not Kai. Unfortunately I fear some people may never let go of his maknae image. What will it take to get these people to realize he’s not the same 16 year old boy who debuted in txt!??
the problem is that kpop stans act in extremes and for some reason they think there's no grey area between infantilization and sexualization. it is possible to be NORMAL about your favs!
Thankyou for talking about it!!!
Kai's Maknae image is cute, adorable, etc. But, like he's an adult let him be one. I don't care if he's the youngest. He's an adult. Taehyun is way over sexualized. I see every member as grown adults, they have a mind. And in what case did moa's have control on how they control their lives?! Like 😭 why! I literally had to pause this over 10 times to calm myself down.
Wow, this is a very interesting video I did not expect to be recommended but honestly, you make great points. I will share my own view.. Kai is one of those members that I don't bias or anything or I never bring up too much. I honestly just see not only Kai but the other members as they come and go and I would never judge them by a video or two or old videos.
Taehyun, I would say he's my "second bias" tied up with Yeonjun. Look, Taehyun is one of my ults in terms of biases and as I got to know more of his personality, I saw the soft and kinder side of him. I used to think he was scary. I feel we should never let a video or two or things that are commonly associated with someone be their own identity. People change, so can idols, they are people.
More to Kai... I saw him grow and mature. I wasn't aware he got rid of many plushies but I am happy seeing him embrace his growth as a person. I am very proud of him. If he wants to be sexy and have a more cool vibe, then so be it. I will support him. Seeing Kai go from the teenager he was to this cool guy that sings better day by day. I won't judge decisions he makes, he is grown.
i feel like someone who did that transition that kai is trying to achieve really well is eric from tbz. he started out with a more boyish concept too but nowadays, he's pretty fatal on stage and treated as an adult by most fans (atleast the deobis i know)
I completely agree!
istg if MOAs keep calling him a baby he might start thinking that ppl think he's immature, and yes the member I found cutest was also Taehyun when I first started stanning TXT in 2019 or 2020. And I also agree with you saying that Taehyun only gets noticed for his body and not talents like wtf he's a human too, he's a SINGER so give him attention for his singing not body, yes you can compliment his body but don't make it sexual it doesn't matter how old an idol is, no matter what age a human WILL feel uncomfortable if you sexualize them. let your idols grow up wtf let them be themselves, let them explore new styles/personas etc. you don't own them (and for the MOAs who think Kai has an "innocent" mind YA'LL FR THINK HE DON'T KNOW ABT THAT STUFF? LIKE CMON HES 23 WTF OFC HE KNOWS.
Have you noticed that when Kai is with his sisters, esp. w Hiyyih, he does not appear to be a baby, as Hiyyih is the maknae of their family,
Also, the "Hueningkai wants to start a band" series showed his more mature side.
With Taehyun, I agree: I have seen some really disturbing writings on him, like with the bar incident "he got himself some b-tches". How come such a caring and supporting person for other TXT members is seen like that? Yes, he is really good-looking, but let's also compliment his singing abilities, or that he has written more lyrics for TXT than any other member.
@@eijaneiga definitely. I don’t know if you’ve noticed this too, but I’ve come across so many videos of people twerking and they’re captioned as “me trying to convince Taehyun to dye his hair pink again”. If that were me I’d be mortified 🧍♀️
@@txt.moa_luvs Luckily I don't spend much time on tiktok.
Damn, I made comments like 'bro was rizzing up baddies' and now I feel bad. He is my bias😭😭
@@iamjustagirlintheworldd it’s okay bestie, what matters most is that we don’t do it again :)
@@txt.moa_luvs I just wanted to bring light to the situation😭😭😭 damn, I feel bad.
OH MY GOSH. i had a tweet abt how some moas dont rlly care abt taehyun other than his abs and moa twt were at my THROAT.
@@vinczznn glad you came out alive bestie
I find it weird how people think it’s sensitive to believe saying things like “just give me 5 minutes and a hair tie” is disgusting. It might just be me but I feel like they are sexualizing the idol when they say that. It’s weird when they excuse it as a joke and call the person who called them out “sensitive”.
I don’t really consider myself a moa because i don’t follow much of their news but i love them as a fan of their music and content since debut so I actually never knew this was the case in their fandom just because i’ve always thought taehyun was naturally soooo cute (reason why he’s my bias and kai is my second bias) and kai was more on the handsomer side, though he does act cute more but i thought it was mainly because he’s naturally like that. I did not know it was because of fans infantilising him, which is very sad. I also did not know fans sexualise taehyun just because he works out (which is actually an issue in kpop honestly. People need to realise the difference between admiring someone’s beauty and thinking they’re hot, and sexualising them to the point you ‘want their babies’ or do dirty things with them. It’s always been creepy to me). Thanks for sharing light into this topic :) This video was an eye opener to me, can’t believe i actually watched the whole thing 😅
Oh no i feel bad For them!
Great video! But, as a Blink since debut, one slight correction. Lisa was never infantilized as the maknae. BP was a rare group where, when they debuted, they were all already adults. Lisa did act cute on varieties and stuff but there was barely any BP content at all for like the 1st year of their debut. So, I would say that the Lisa from BPs videos made the biggest impression on fans at that time and that view of Lisa being the cool and charismatic performer stayed with us. That being said, the people losing their minds over her crazy horse performance were, for the most part, not even Blinks. And, I would say, those same people (except the ones that were just doing it because they were BP-antis) would have had the same reaction whether it was Jisoo (the oldest in BP) or even one of the SNSD members that performed. And that's because Kpop idols and Korean celebrities in general, just don't do those kinds of overtly... more adult performances. So it was Kpop shocking rather than having anything to do with Lisa's maknae status. And, to show that this is true, just look at the reaction for Jennie's appearance in the Idol.Jennie is the 2nd oldest in BP and I would say she got even more hate for doing that show than Lisa did.
Overall though I completely agree with your points and I've seen it a million times. It's just that BP isn't one of those groups. Also, I would say that kind of attitude it way more common with boy groups in general. In fact, I can't think of an instance of it actually happening even with Wonyoung who has been in the public eye since she was 13 and Somi who was the same age (in Sixteen). I can predict that it may happen in LSF since the members and the fandom are very protective of Eunchae but no evidence yet. Usually GG members are able to transition more easily into being adults than boy group members (in terms of fan reaction).
I agree with everything that was stated in this video. I'm newer kpop stan and I before I started to like kpop I've been avoiding it cuz I hear it it toxic( most of the fandoms) I started liking kpop in August 2030 cuz I was bored and I thought It wasn't that bad but now I see. I wanted to quit liking kpop cuz i hate the fans, either they are extremely cringy or just straight up crazy and also lose interest in things quickly. I still like kpop music though. ps Im sorry for oversharing I have to no friends to talk to about this stuff. thank you for making this video i hope delusion fans see this and wake up to reality.
i love kai and tae and honestly dont understand how you can isolate a single part of a person (childish/cutesy nature and/or body appeal). its disgusting. As a big group with a massive fandom, im kinda surprised this happens so much, but then again, "they're idols they don't know i exist they don't know/care". Yes they do. And it's your fault.
Ngl I don’t care if they get mature or not I’ll still treat them normally. And some people need to realize that they’re adults not some random middle schoolers or something.
something i've also noticed (and im not accusing any idol of anything) is that generally kpop group members never/hardly baby their second youngest members even if that member is the same age as the maknae or a year older but still underage.
Examples are taehyun of txt, garam of lsrfm (who was just a year older to eunchae but never babied) Megan of katseye (who is not a kpop idol but katseye also uses the maknae concept. And even though she's just a year older to the maknae who was 15 she was never babied and allowed to twerk or act sexy). And mannyyyy other groups.
I'm not saying that the members of these group are doing something wrong or that they never baby these members but it's just a phenomenon i've noticed both from the members and fans
the thing you should realize is that you cannot stereotype human into a character
i rlly hate how babied kai is.. i remember when he was on live recently and he said he was drinking less carbonated/sweet drinks and eating less sweets to better his health and some moas (specifically ningdungies) were popping veins and overanalyzing it. and also saying ‘we’re losing our roots!’ just bc he wants to take care of his health.. i rlly don’t understand
Hey friend. Those ningdungies were being overdramatic as a joke, hope you know
Going to unnecessarily over explain here but, ningdungies hate Kai being babied. Those jokes are *jokingly* being overdramatic over Kai saying he doesn’t eat something we’ve known he loves since debut as often anymore. Moawajjunies have the same reaction when yeonjun mentions he hasn’t been able to eat ramen in awhile, its a joke. You’ll be able to tell between the majority joking and few genuinely tweaking if you analyze at all.
I did see people freaking out over him being on a diet in those quotes but those weren’t “specifically ningdungies” and saying “we’re losing our roots” is not even close to that.
people treat idols like characters and not like people who grow up and change and have feelings just like everyone else. it’s a lack of empathy and respect and it needs to stop.
You put a lot effort into this video.i was really informative in the sense I am a new moa and didn't know about this all I just considered them as uk ...talented ppl but honestly this is all lot of new info
Dang I agree like I. Saw kai as a human man in most countries when you turn 18 your an adult I literally stopped treating anyone who is is 18 or about to turn 18 I treated. Them like adults but trust me I do not sexualize anyone I just merely am a fan because of their awesome stage auras and personality 😅
as a kai ult his personality and lifestyle is uncommon in society so i think those people think like that are friendless, if they knew the fact that he can do everything even in that personality they wont react like he is a baby or sth and an another FACT is he is not very masculine both showing himself and personality thats a factor ab this prob and some people dont even know kai are over masculinize him
he is exactly the meaning of flower boy and people should understand this
Ooh I never thought about that. The way they view his masculinity does play a part in how they treat him. How insulting. Moas do something similar to Beomgyu by calling him “babygirl” and “princess”. It’s supposed to be a joke but I wonder if he’d be bothered by those comments.
@@_harley_1288 i think kai is kinda a androgynous person both appearence he prefers and personality wise, i know cuz im exactly like that too people should understand that and dont overbabying or overmasculinizing him
i mean if you're watching youtube shorts a lot, you'll see these kinds of people ( maybe it's because of the age range or the cringeness), but in the other platforms you probably won't see that
just a few days ago a big kai account on twitter got exposed for bookmarking deepfakes of kai nsfw situations, a lot of them with his face when he was a teenager . It's very disturbing. they were practically obsessed with calling him babygirl and shipping him with soobin and seeing kai as the bottom of the pair. i was in a group chat with them, and anytime someone mentions kai working out or doing so-called manly stuff they jump. I didnt think much at first but it all makes sense now. When i watch some kais content and think back about their reaction my smile drops, there's actually a double meaning in all their posts that i didnt see before. It's just pure evil, they didn't see him as human but instead a character and the fact that they consume illegal content while acting all innocent on their big account
Sorry for the long comment, im just very angry and disappointed and traumatised. I wish people would just see them for who they are, for who they present to us and accept all of that. They're humans and all humans are multifaceted, we dont need to put them in any boxes, that way they would be more comfortable showing their real personality to us too
@@ningiemoon I’ve heard of this too and it’s so fcking gross
Watching this as someone who is not a Moa and only listens to TXT casually, I'm really surprised that fans have these views. I always thought Taehyun was very shy and adorable while Kai was more bubbly and outgoing. To me the rigid kpop ideas of "cute youthfulness/innocence" and "sensual maturity" are honestly a little ridiculous, when anyone from age 16 or older can showcase either or both of those traits without it reflecting their age or anything, because maturing happens in a different way and on a different timeline for everyone, and also at the end of the day they are performers, so how they act onstage doesn't always reflect who they are as a person. I think fans just need to remember that we don't know these people personally so we should try to avoid typecasting them (even if the company is trying to push a certain image) and allow them to be who they are offstage, because real humans have constantly changing personalities and it's not healthy to try to prevent that process just because fans are afraid of change.
Thank you!!
Would you be open to not using a text-to-speech and doing your own narration? It gets hard to understand the computer voice
as a man, yes we do love getting "attention on our bodies, especially when were muscular and fit" - because muscles are what we work hard for they dont just appear like. I swear most gorls have no idea how much effort it takes to get abs and how much we apprecitate a compliment. If we pull our shirt up, its on us so of course we dont mind being objectified to that degree
Thats you. You do not speak on behalf of all men as all men are not ok with objectification and do feel bad about it. Appreciation for your hard work isnt the same as being objectified either btw.
20:36 can you grab one for me too please ?
@chocorenavfx4403 here friend 🗑️ (hopefully the trash can will do)
Taehyunnn is cuteeee !!! And his tiny voices! But I am a toddler moa :/ so Taehyun is the cutest, kai look unreal ! Kai is glowing up, like he is becoming unreal like a character from final fantasy! And I like your opinions :> I didnt know it's like that for other moa.
Oh and I hope they don't need to sell their skin any much more. Like I was kinda upset that beomgyu forced himself to wear something he wasn't comfortable with (deja vu more revealing) because fans pushed him.... they didn't even push moa for a DAESANG😢🤬 me and my friend moa just want them to be happy and comfortable. And daesang.... hope they won't lose fans for this break 😢 though as an army, a break would be good fandom cleansing.... but daesang ...
Some "moas" dont deserve them 🫥
Infantalization with idols like him is insane😭 and now suddenly they are in love with Tyunning and thinking they’re hot and important now. Don’t act like you care about them now🙄 you just want someone to baby for your own satisfaction. Fandom cleanse PLEASE.